'Appalling' standardized test scores in wake of covid school closures

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Looks like DCPS is scraping the bottom of the barrel.

The only states with worse math scores than DC were West Virginia and New Mexico. Reading not much better.

“I want to be very clear: The results in today’s nation’s report card are appalling and unacceptable,” said Miguel Cardona, the secretary of education.


https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/24/us/math-reading-scores-pandemic.html


This is an apples to oranges comparison. NAEP data does an excellent job of providing apples to apples comparisons through the use of TUDA data. This information shows you that DC didn't do appreciably worse than other cities in the country and, in fact, did better than the large city average.

The link above provides information on 4th grade reading but if you click around you can get reading and math for 4th and 8th graders.

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Looks like DCPS is scraping the bottom of the barrel.

The only states with worse math scores than DC were West Virginia and New Mexico. Reading not much better.

“I want to be very clear: The results in today’s nation’s report card are appalling and unacceptable,” said Miguel Cardona, the secretary of education.


https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/24/us/math-reading-scores-pandemic.html


This is an apples to oranges comparison. NAEP data does an excellent job of providing apples to apples comparisons through the use of TUDA data. This information shows you that DC didn't do appreciably worse than other cities in the country and, in fact, did better than the large city average.

The link above provides information on 4th grade reading but if you click around you can get reading and math for 4th and 8th graders.



Most of DC is suburbs, I'd expect it to do better than large cities
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Looks like DCPS is scraping the bottom of the barrel.

The only states with worse math scores than DC were West Virginia and New Mexico. Reading not much better.

“I want to be very clear: The results in today’s nation’s report card are appalling and unacceptable,” said Miguel Cardona, the secretary of education.


https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/24/us/math-reading-scores-pandemic.html


This is an apples to oranges comparison. NAEP data does an excellent job of providing apples to apples comparisons through the use of TUDA data. This information shows you that DC didn't do appreciably worse than other cities in the country and, in fact, did better than the large city average.

The link above provides information on 4th grade reading but if you click around you can get reading and math for 4th and 8th graders.



PP, not sure what link you are referring to, but I can't access the NYT.

Here's the link to the actual data (I think?): https://nces.ed.gov/nationsreportcard/

What is TUDA?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Our fourth graders do significantly worse in math than fourth graders in Mississippi. I mean, wow.



Mississippi spends less than half as much as we do on schools.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Looks like DCPS is scraping the bottom of the barrel.

The only states with worse math scores than DC were West Virginia and New Mexico. Reading not much better.

“I want to be very clear: The results in today’s nation’s report card are appalling and unacceptable,” said Miguel Cardona, the secretary of education.


https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/24/us/math-reading-scores-pandemic.html


This is an apples to oranges comparison. NAEP data does an excellent job of providing apples to apples comparisons through the use of TUDA data. This information shows you that DC didn't do appreciably worse than other cities in the country and, in fact, did better than the large city average.

The link above provides information on 4th grade reading but if you click around you can get reading and math for 4th and 8th graders.



Most of DC is suburbs, I'd expect it to do better than large cities


Most suburbs are larger than the entire square mileage of DC.
Anonymous
DC is not a state. Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Looks like DCPS is scraping the bottom of the barrel.

The only states with worse math scores than DC were West Virginia and New Mexico. Reading not much better.

“I want to be very clear: The results in today’s nation’s report card are appalling and unacceptable,” said Miguel Cardona, the secretary of education.


https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/24/us/math-reading-scores-pandemic.html


This is an apples to oranges comparison. NAEP data does an excellent job of providing apples to apples comparisons through the use of TUDA data. This information shows you that DC didn't do appreciably worse than other cities in the country and, in fact, did better than the large city average.

The link above provides information on 4th grade reading but if you click around you can get reading and math for 4th and 8th graders.



Most of DC is suburbs, I'd expect it to do better than large cities


Ridiculously untrue statement.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Looks like DCPS is scraping the bottom of the barrel.

The only states with worse math scores than DC were West Virginia and New Mexico. Reading not much better.

“I want to be very clear: The results in today’s nation’s report card are appalling and unacceptable,” said Miguel Cardona, the secretary of education.


https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/24/us/math-reading-scores-pandemic.html


What was DC's ranking before COVID?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Looks like DCPS is scraping the bottom of the barrel.

The only states with worse math scores than DC were West Virginia and New Mexico. Reading not much better.

“I want to be very clear: The results in today’s nation’s report card are appalling and unacceptable,” said Miguel Cardona, the secretary of education.


https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/24/us/math-reading-scores-pandemic.html


What was DC's ranking before COVID?



Dunno but the story says DC saw some of the biggest declines in the country.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Looks like DCPS is scraping the bottom of the barrel.

The only states with worse math scores than DC were West Virginia and New Mexico. Reading not much better.

“I want to be very clear: The results in today’s nation’s report card are appalling and unacceptable,” said Miguel Cardona, the secretary of education.


https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/24/us/math-reading-scores-pandemic.html


This is an apples to oranges comparison. NAEP data does an excellent job of providing apples to apples comparisons through the use of TUDA data. This information shows you that DC didn't do appreciably worse than other cities in the country and, in fact, did better than the large city average.

The link above provides information on 4th grade reading but if you click around you can get reading and math for 4th and 8th graders.



Ugh, the TUDA says that DC scored 20/26 out of large cities in 4th grade math test scores. DC had an average decline of 11%, while the average for large cities was 8%. Baltimore was the worst with a 15% drop. https://www.nationsreportcard.gov/mathematics/districts/scores/?grade=4
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I'm old enough to remember when those of us advocating for opening schools early on were selfish jerks!


Even worse: Racist, selfish jerks.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Looks like DCPS is scraping the bottom of the barrel.

The only states with worse math scores than DC were West Virginia and New Mexico. Reading not much better.

“I want to be very clear: The results in today’s nation’s report card are appalling and unacceptable,” said Miguel Cardona, the secretary of education.


https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/24/us/math-reading-scores-pandemic.html


This is an apples to oranges comparison. NAEP data does an excellent job of providing apples to apples comparisons through the use of TUDA data. This information shows you that DC didn't do appreciably worse than other cities in the country and, in fact, did better than the large city average.

The link above provides information on 4th grade reading but if you click around you can get reading and math for 4th and 8th graders.



Most of DC is suburbs, I'd expect it to do better than large cities


Ridiculously untrue statement.


DC's downtown core is smaller than Arlington's. Row houses with front and back yards are suburban let alone all of the areas with single family homes
Anonymous
Not surprised. All of the remediation plans implemented by Central Office were a big dud. A "tutoring program" where those of us in the schools were asked to fudge numbers that showed kids were receiving support that never happened. More great work by the Mayor and her Mayoral Controlled central team
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Not surprised. All of the remediation plans implemented by Central Office were a big dud. A "tutoring program" where those of us in the schools were asked to fudge numbers that showed kids were receiving support that never happened. More great work by the Mayor and her Mayoral Controlled central team


I am no fan of Bowser but had schools opened when she initially said she wanted them opened, we wouldn't need such intensive remediation plans. I agree Bowser has been ridiculous at claiming "wins" around education the last two years but that's at least in part because the biggest win she wanted -- kids in classrooms, learning -- was made into a non-option by advocacy groups.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I'm old enough to remember when those of us advocating for opening schools early on were selfish jerks!

When I usually say "I hate to say I told you so" I don't usually mean it. I love to be proven right retroactively.

Not this time. I predicted just how bad shutting schools down for an extended period would be for kids, especially for lower-income and at-risk kids. I do genuinely wish I was wrong on this point, though.

I wonder if the people responsible for extended school shutdowns in DC and other blue states and cities will ever admit they were wrong?

If you're one of the people who was opposed to reopening schools in the fall on 2020, this is on you. And people like me are going to rub your nose in it for the rest of your days.
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