Reading Groups

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't know what is going on in 4th grade, but my 6th grader in Gen Ed is doing book club, which is focused entirely on reading comprehension and not phonics. They also are separately doing word study. And because my dyslexic DD spent two years at a private school actually learning to read, she is able to do word study with her class (and is ahead of them) instead of getting full LA special ed pull-out, which we expected she would need.

Ideally, as the county implements phonics instructions in the lower grades, those students won't need as much of it in the upper grades. And for the kids who are good readers, maybe this will actually help them be able to spell.

Spelling isn’t really super important as there is always spell check on computers. Reading comprehension is very important as kids advance through the grades though. I am concerned we are now sacrificing reading comprehension.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s ridiculous that reading groups have not started. I am an experienced elementary school teacher. These children did not beam down into school in late August. Their teachers from last year should have provided information about reading levels to you, certainly enough to get started. You can adjust as you go. They are not testing every single day. I would be livid if I were a parent.

We basically have been. What grade do you teach? I have been with FCPS for 30+ years and have third grade this year. The PRF assessment took up most of September’s small group time as I’d typically get one done a day, sometimes two but there were days I didn’t get any done. Throw in the DSA, iReady and VGA days and most of the small group time hasn’t been spent meeting with small groups. I haven’t started the PASS and CORE assessments yet.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s ridiculous that reading groups have not started. I am an experienced elementary school teacher. These children did not beam down into school in late August. Their teachers from last year should have provided information about reading levels to you, certainly enough to get started. You can adjust as you go. They are not testing every single day. I would be livid if I were a parent.

We basically have been. What grade do you teach? I have been with FCPS for 30+ years and have third grade this year. The PRF assessment took up most of September’s small group time as I’d typically get one done a day, sometimes two but there were days I didn’t get any done. Throw in the DSA, iReady and VGA days and most of the small group time hasn’t been spent meeting with small groups. I haven’t started the PASS and CORE assessments yet.

Yep, sounds like FCPS. When I was an elementary teacher it was the same, although with a different set of acronyms. Sometimes teachers would be able to speed it up with the help of specialists, but that depended on the willingness of the admin.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We no longer use the DRA. We do use the PRF. Reading groups are still a thing, but they will be more focused on phonics and phonemic awareness.

I haven't started small groups yet. The time has been spent assessing (PRFs, iReady, DSA, VGA). I'll start small groups after I finish assessing using the CORE and PASS assessments. The CORE and PASS are given based on how the students do in the phonics and phonemic awareness sections of the iReady.

My kid doesn’t need phonics and phonemic awareness. She needs comprehension now (4th grade).

This is what you parents have been fighting for and now the pendulum has swung - hope you’re happy!

I am thrilled! I just hope they have given teachers resources to teach it correctly.

Please shut up

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We no longer use the DRA. We do use the PRF. Reading groups are still a thing, but they will be more focused on phonics and phonemic awareness.

I haven't started small groups yet. The time has been spent assessing (PRFs, iReady, DSA, VGA). I'll start small groups after I finish assessing using the CORE and PASS assessments. The CORE and PASS are given based on how the students do in the phonics and phonemic awareness sections of the iReady.

My kid doesn’t need phonics and phonemic awareness. She needs comprehension now (4th grade).

This is what you parents have been fighting for and now the pendulum has swung - hope you’re happy!

I am thrilled! I just hope they have given teachers resources to teach it correctly.

This sucks for all the advanced readers in FCPS. Research-based practices works great for the averages and has the strongest effects on the lowest groups (most room to grow = strongest effects).

Anecdotally my AAP middle schooler who is an avid and advanced reader and takes algebra in 7th grade and tests average on reading comp but cannot spell or pronounce out loud even basic words would have benefited from this curriculum

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We no longer use the DRA. We do use the PRF. Reading groups are still a thing, but they will be more focused on phonics and phonemic awareness.

I haven't started small groups yet. The time has been spent assessing (PRFs, iReady, DSA, VGA). I'll start small groups after I finish assessing using the CORE and PASS assessments. The CORE and PASS are given based on how the students do in the phonics and phonemic awareness sections of the iReady.

My kid doesn’t need phonics and phonemic awareness. She needs comprehension now (4th grade).

My fourth grader is meeting in book clubs. She has assigned readings.

School?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s ridiculous that reading groups have not started. I am an experienced elementary school teacher. These children did not beam down into school in late August. Their teachers from last year should have provided information about reading levels to you, certainly enough to get started. You can adjust as you go. They are not testing every single day. I would be livid if I were a parent.

Haven't you heard - we don't do reading levels anymore.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We no longer use the DRA. We do use the PRF. Reading groups are still a thing, but they will be more focused on phonics and phonemic awareness.

I haven't started small groups yet. The time has been spent assessing (PRFs, iReady, DSA, VGA). I'll start small groups after I finish assessing using the CORE and PASS assessments. The CORE and PASS are given based on how the students do in the phonics and phonemic awareness sections of the iReady.

My kid doesn’t need phonics and phonemic awareness. She needs comprehension now (4th grade).

This is what you parents have been fighting for and now the pendulum has swung - hope you’re happy!

I am thrilled! I just hope they have given teachers resources to teach it correctly.

This sucks for all the advanced readers in FCPS. Research-based practices works great for the averages and has the strongest effects on the lowest groups (most room to grow = strongest effects).

that is why they have reading groups.

But if the focus is on phonics and phonemic awareness doesn't matter what reading group they are in. They already have that down. So what's the curriculum for those who already have that ability.

I think you would be surprised at the small numbers who actually have it down. Spelling is atrocious across the board- even in AAP.

+100

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s ridiculous that reading groups have not started. I am an experienced elementary school teacher. These children did not beam down into school in late August. Their teachers from last year should have provided information about reading levels to you, certainly enough to get started. You can adjust as you go. They are not testing every single day. I would be livid if I were a parent.

Haven't you heard - we don't do reading levels anymore.

nothing new. Par with other years. The grades always blow the first 9 weeks on assessments. They reinvent the wheel. Why can’t the previous teacher tell the next one?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We no longer use the DRA. We do use the PRF. Reading groups are still a thing, but they will be more focused on phonics and phonemic awareness.

I haven't started small groups yet. The time has been spent assessing (PRFs, iReady, DSA, VGA). I'll start small groups after I finish assessing using the CORE and PASS assessments. The CORE and PASS are given based on how the students do in the phonics and phonemic awareness sections of the iReady.

My kid doesn’t need phonics and phonemic awareness. She needs comprehension now (4th grade).

This is what you parents have been fighting for and now the pendulum has swung - hope you’re happy!

I am thrilled! I just hope they have given teachers resources to teach it correctly.

Please shut up

Why? I am happy that FCPS has finally decided to teach actual reading and hope teachers are getting what they need to do that. Not sure why that is controversial.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We no longer use the DRA. We do use the PRF. Reading groups are still a thing, but they will be more focused on phonics and phonemic awareness.

I haven't started small groups yet. The time has been spent assessing (PRFs, iReady, DSA, VGA). I'll start small groups after I finish assessing using the CORE and PASS assessments. The CORE and PASS are given based on how the students do in the phonics and phonemic awareness sections of the iReady.

My kid doesn’t need phonics and phonemic awareness. She needs comprehension now (4th grade).

This is what you parents have been fighting for and now the pendulum has swung - hope you’re happy!

I am thrilled! I just hope they have given teachers resources to teach it correctly.

Please shut up

Why? I am happy that FCPS has finally decided to teach actual reading and hope teachers are getting what they need to do that. Not sure why that is controversial.

Except teachers aren’t getting any real resources and training. The state needs to release their guidelines on basal text books and then Fairfax can decide which to use. I will say I am liking the word study units. I already see a change in my students’ spelling.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We no longer use the DRA. We do use the PRF. Reading groups are still a thing, but they will be more focused on phonics and phonemic awareness.

I haven't started small groups yet. The time has been spent assessing (PRFs, iReady, DSA, VGA). I'll start small groups after I finish assessing using the CORE and PASS assessments. The CORE and PASS are given based on how the students do in the phonics and phonemic awareness sections of the iReady.

My kid doesn’t need phonics and phonemic awareness. She needs comprehension now (4th grade).

This is what you parents have been fighting for and now the pendulum has swung - hope you’re happy!

I am thrilled! I just hope they have given teachers resources to teach it correctly.

This sucks for all the advanced readers in FCPS. Research-based practices works great for the averages and has the strongest effects on the lowest groups (most room to grow = strongest effects). [/quo

Anecdotally my AAP middle schooler who is an avid and advanced reader and takes algebra in 7th grade and tests average on reading comp but cannot spell or pronounce out loud even basic words would have benefited from this curriculum

If your kid tests average on reading comp on what basis are you saying they are an advanced reader?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We no longer use the DRA. We do use the PRF. Reading groups are still a thing, but they will be more focused on phonics and phonemic awareness.

I haven't started small groups yet. The time has been spent assessing (PRFs, iReady, DSA, VGA). I'll start small groups after I finish assessing using the CORE and PASS assessments. The CORE and PASS are given based on how the students do in the phonics and phonemic awareness sections of the iReady.

My kid doesn’t need phonics and phonemic awareness. She needs comprehension now (4th grade).

This is what you parents have been fighting for and now the pendulum has swung - hope you’re happy!

I am, in fact, very happy about this. You sound like an awful teacher if you don't understand how important phonemic awareness is to young readers.

The PP talking about having a 4th grader is responding to a teacher who teaches K-2 and clearly has no idea what she's talking bout.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We no longer use the DRA. We do use the PRF. Reading groups are still a thing, but they will be more focused on phonics and phonemic awareness.

I haven't started small groups yet. The time has been spent assessing (PRFs, iReady, DSA, VGA). I'll start small groups after I finish assessing using the CORE and PASS assessments. The CORE and PASS are given based on how the students do in the phonics and phonemic awareness sections of the iReady.

My kid doesn’t need phonics and phonemic awareness. She needs comprehension now (4th grade).

This is what you parents have been fighting for and now the pendulum has swung - hope you’re happy!

I am, in fact, very happy about this. You sound like an awful teacher if you don't understand how important phonemic awareness is to young readers.

The PP talking about having a 4th grader is responding to a teacher who teaches K-2 and clearly has no idea what she's talking bout.

To clarify the mom has no idea, the teacher is doing a great job, I'm sure.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't know what is going on in 4th grade, but my 6th grader in Gen Ed is doing book club, which is focused entirely on reading comprehension and not phonics. They also are separately doing word study. And because my dyslexic DD spent two years at a private school actually learning to read, she is able to do word study with her class (and is ahead of them) instead of getting full LA special ed pull-out, which we expected she would need.

Ideally, as the county implements phonics instructions in the lower grades, those students won't need as much of it in the upper grades. And for the kids who are good readers, maybe this will actually help them be able to spell.

Spelling isn’t really super important as there is always spell check on computers. Reading comprehension is very important as kids advance through the grades though. I am concerned we are now sacrificing reading comprehension.

OMG PP, you are seriously embarrassing yourself.