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Anonymous wrote:Why is FCPS teaching kids who can already read dyslexia techniques?

Phonics is NOT just for dyslexia. It is how you actually teach kids to read. It is also how kids learn spelling rules.

This is what I don’t get. Everyone has been clamoring for spelling and now are kids are getting spelling instruction and people are upset?

Spelling instruction can happen without all the phonics rules.

Here is an example I learned ow vs ou by getting a list of words I had to write sentences, fill the blanks make a maze etc every night for homework. I then had a test on Friday.

Now kids are being told phonics rules like the following:

When you hear /ow/ at the end of a word or syllable, use ow (cow, now, pow/er, show/er). When you hear /ow/ at the start of, or inside a word or syllable, use ou (ounce, house, loud). BUT: If the word rhymes with down (frown, clown, town) or owl (howl, towel, growl) we usually use ow.

My gen ed son is finding this confusing and I don’t blame him. I don’t really care about this rule either and can somewhat spell having never learned it. On top of knowing the rule, knowing all the exceptions is just ridiculous considering the English language is full of exceptions (like 20% i think?) I’m sure someone will correct it. Kids also have to know open and closed syllables and how it changes spelling patterns. It is intervention level phonics, not just oh hey here are some spelling patterns to know.

I think the most important thing about spelling when I learned it was the accountability of the test and knowing you had to study to get it right. Now, kids are being taught all the rules and it can be more confusing and tedious and I have yet to be convinced it will help as much as many parents are hoping.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is FCPS teaching kids who can already read dyslexia techniques?

Phonics is NOT just for dyslexia. It is how you actually teach kids to read. It is also how kids learn spelling rules.

This is what I don’t get. Everyone has been clamoring for spelling and now are kids are getting spelling instruction and people are upset?

Spelling instruction can happen without all the phonics rules.

Here is an example I learned ow vs ou by getting a list of words I had to write sentences, fill the blanks make a maze etc every night for homework. I then had a test on Friday.

Now kids are being told phonics rules like the following:

When you hear /ow/ at the end of a word or syllable, use ow (cow, now, pow/er, show/er). When you hear /ow/ at the start of, or inside a word or syllable, use ou (ounce, house, loud). BUT: If the word rhymes with down (frown, clown, town) or owl (howl, towel, growl) we usually use ow.

My gen ed son is finding this confusing and I don’t blame him. I don’t really care about this rule either and can somewhat spell having never learned it. On top of knowing the rule, knowing all the exceptions is just ridiculous considering the English language is full of exceptions (like 20% i think?) I’m sure someone will correct it. Kids also have to know open and closed syllables and how it changes spelling patterns. It is intervention level phonics, not just oh hey here are some spelling patterns to know.

I think the most important thing about spelling when I learned it was the accountability of the test and knowing you had to study to get it right. Now, kids are being taught all the rules and it can be more confusing and tedious and I have yet to be convinced it will help as much as many parents are hoping.

Teacher here. Sorry but you are wrong here. Phonics is spelling instruction. You did get a list as a kid but you were also taught the patterns and sounds before studying your list of words. I had the same thing as a kid but was still explicitly taught these things the kids are being taught now. This is the first year it is being taught so it will definitely be new at first. My students struggled in the beginning but the improvement has been huge in 7 weeks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is FCPS teaching kids who can already read dyslexia techniques?

Phonics is NOT just for dyslexia. It is how you actually teach kids to read. It is also how kids learn spelling rules.

This is what I don’t get. Everyone has been clamoring for spelling and now are kids are getting spelling instruction and people are upset?

Spelling instruction can happen without all the phonics rules.

Here is an example I learned ow vs ou by getting a list of words I had to write sentences, fill the blanks make a maze etc every night for homework. I then had a test on Friday.

Now kids are being told phonics rules like the following:

When you hear /ow/ at the end of a word or syllable, use ow (cow, now, pow/er, show/er). When you hear /ow/ at the start of, or inside a word or syllable, use ou (ounce, house, loud). BUT: If the word rhymes with down (frown, clown, town) or owl (howl, towel, growl) we usually use ow.

My gen ed son is finding this confusing and I don’t blame him. I don’t really care about this rule either and can somewhat spell having never learned it. On top of knowing the rule, knowing all the exceptions is just ridiculous considering the English language is full of exceptions (like 20% i think?) I’m sure someone will correct it. Kids also have to know open and closed syllables and how it changes spelling patterns. It is intervention level phonics, not just oh hey here are some spelling patterns to know.

I think the most important thing about spelling when I learned it was the accountability of the test and knowing you had to study to get it right. Now, kids are being taught all the rules and it can be more confusing and tedious and I have yet to be convinced it will help as much as many parents are hoping.

So your problem with phonics is that it’s too hard. And kids should learn how to spell by making a maze. Well, that’s an interesting idea.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is FCPS teaching kids who can already read dyslexia techniques?

Phonics is NOT just for dyslexia. It is how you actually teach kids to read. It is also how kids learn spelling rules.

This is what I don’t get. Everyone has been clamoring for spelling and now are kids are getting spelling instruction and people are upset?

Spelling instruction can happen without all the phonics rules.

Here is an example I learned ow vs ou by getting a list of words I had to write sentences, fill the blanks make a maze etc every night for homework. I then had a test on Friday.

Now kids are being told phonics rules like the following:

When you hear /ow/ at the end of a word or syllable, use ow (cow, now, pow/er, show/er). When you hear /ow/ at the start of, or inside a word or syllable, use ou (ounce, house, loud). BUT: If the word rhymes with down (frown, clown, town) or owl (howl, towel, growl) we usually use ow.

My gen ed son is finding this confusing and I don’t blame him. I don’t really care about this rule either and can somewhat spell having never learned it. On top of knowing the rule, knowing all the exceptions is just ridiculous considering the English language is full of exceptions (like 20% i think?) I’m sure someone will correct it. Kids also have to know open and closed syllables and how it changes spelling patterns. It is intervention level phonics, not just oh hey here are some spelling patterns to know.

I think the most important thing about spelling when I learned it was the accountability of the test and knowing you had to study to get it right. Now, kids are being taught all the rules and it can be more confusing and tedious and I have yet to be convinced it will help as much as many parents are hoping.

Teacher here. Sorry but you are wrong here. Phonics is spelling instruction. You did get a list as a kid but you were also taught the patterns and sounds before studying your list of words. I had the same thing as a kid but was still explicitly taught these things the kids are being taught now. This is the first year it is being taught so it will definitely be new at first. My students struggled in the beginning but the improvement has been huge in 7 weeks.

I was in 2nd grade in 1983 were you alive or teaching then? How do you know what my spelling looked like?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is FCPS teaching kids who can already read dyslexia techniques?

Phonics is NOT just for dyslexia. It is how you actually teach kids to read. It is also how kids learn spelling rules.

This is what I don’t get. Everyone has been clamoring for spelling and now are kids are getting spelling instruction and people are upset?

Spelling instruction can happen without all the phonics rules.

Here is an example I learned ow vs ou by getting a list of words I had to write sentences, fill the blanks make a maze etc every night for homework. I then had a test on Friday.

Now kids are being told phonics rules like the following:

When you hear /ow/ at the end of a word or syllable, use ow (cow, now, pow/er, show/er). When you hear /ow/ at the start of, or inside a word or syllable, use ou (ounce, house, loud). BUT: If the word rhymes with down (frown, clown, town) or owl (howl, towel, growl) we usually use ow.

My gen ed son is finding this confusing and I don’t blame him. I don’t really care about this rule either and can somewhat spell having never learned it. On top of knowing the rule, knowing all the exceptions is just ridiculous considering the English language is full of exceptions (like 20% i think?) I’m sure someone will correct it. Kids also have to know open and closed syllables and how it changes spelling patterns. It is intervention level phonics, not just oh hey here are some spelling patterns to know.

I think the most important thing about spelling when I learned it was the accountability of the test and knowing you had to study to get it right. Now, kids are being taught all the rules and it can be more confusing and tedious and I have yet to be convinced it will help as much as many parents are hoping.

Teacher here. Sorry but you are wrong here. Phonics is spelling instruction. You did get a list as a kid but you were also taught the patterns and sounds before studying your list of words. I had the same thing as a kid but was still explicitly taught these things the kids are being taught now. This is the first year it is being taught so it will definitely be new at first. My students struggled in the beginning but the improvement has been huge in 7 weeks.

I was in 2nd grade in 1983 were you alive or teaching then? How do you know what my spelling looked like?

Different poster. I was in 2nd grade in mid 90’s and what the teacher said was the same for me. We learned a specific pattern and then had a list of words. My child finally has spelling tests and I am thrilled.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is FCPS teaching kids who can already read dyslexia techniques?

Phonics is NOT just for dyslexia. It is how you actually teach kids to read. It is also how kids learn spelling rules.

This is what I don’t get. Everyone has been clamoring for spelling and now are kids are getting spelling instruction and people are upset?

Spelling instruction can happen without all the phonics rules.

Here is an example I learned ow vs ou by getting a list of words I had to write sentences, fill the blanks make a maze etc every night for homework. I then had a test on Friday.

Now kids are being told phonics rules like the following:

When you hear /ow/ at the end of a word or syllable, use ow (cow, now, pow/er, show/er). When you hear /ow/ at the start of, or inside a word or syllable, use ou (ounce, house, loud). BUT: If the word rhymes with down (frown, clown, town) or owl (howl, towel, growl) we usually use ow.

My gen ed son is finding this confusing and I don’t blame him. I don’t really care about this rule either and can somewhat spell having never learned it. On top of knowing the rule, knowing all the exceptions is just ridiculous considering the English language is full of exceptions (like 20% i think?) I’m sure someone will correct it. Kids also have to know open and closed syllables and how it changes spelling patterns. It is intervention level phonics, not just oh hey here are some spelling patterns to know.

I think the most important thing about spelling when I learned it was the accountability of the test and knowing you had to study to get it right. Now, kids are being taught all the rules and it can be more confusing and tedious and I have yet to be convinced it will help as much as many parents are hoping.

So your problem with phonics is that it’s too hard. And kids should learn how to spell by making a maze. Well, that’s an interesting idea.

Nice cherry-picking one part of my reply. Two thumbs up! Let me preface my response with this is an example so you don’t get confused.

So I am to take it that as a kid you learned how spelling patterns vary with open and closed syllables, learned all the exceptions to the rules and you think that is important to functioning in a society where spell check and voice to text features are ubiquitous.

Ok, I disagree.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is FCPS teaching kids who can already read dyslexia techniques?

Phonics is NOT just for dyslexia. It is how you actually teach kids to read. It is also how kids learn spelling rules.

This is what I don’t get. Everyone has been clamoring for spelling and now are kids are getting spelling instruction and people are upset?

Spelling instruction can happen without all the phonics rules.

Here is an example I learned ow vs ou by getting a list of words I had to write sentences, fill the blanks make a maze etc every night for homework. I then had a test on Friday.

Now kids are being told phonics rules like the following:

When you hear /ow/ at the end of a word or syllable, use ow (cow, now, pow/er, show/er). When you hear /ow/ at the start of, or inside a word or syllable, use ou (ounce, house, loud). BUT: If the word rhymes with down (frown, clown, town) or owl (howl, towel, growl) we usually use ow.

My gen ed son is finding this confusing and I don’t blame him. I don’t really care about this rule either and can somewhat spell having never learned it. On top of knowing the rule, knowing all the exceptions is just ridiculous considering the English language is full of exceptions (like 20% i think?) I’m sure someone will correct it. Kids also have to know open and closed syllables and how it changes spelling patterns. It is intervention level phonics, not just oh hey here are some spelling patterns to know.

I think the most important thing about spelling when I learned it was the accountability of the test and knowing you had to study to get it right. Now, kids are being taught all the rules and it can be more confusing and tedious and I have yet to be convinced it will help as much as many parents are hoping.

So your problem with phonics is that it’s too hard. And kids should learn how to spell by making a maze. Well, that’s an interesting idea.

Nice cherry-picking one part of my reply. Two thumbs up! Let me preface my response with this is an example so you don’t get confused.

So I am to take it that as a kid you learned how spelling patterns vary with open and closed syllables, learned all the exceptions to the rules and you think that is important to functioning in a society where spell check and voice to text features are ubiquitous.

Ok, I disagree.

People should know how to spell basic words. We have students in Upper ES and middle school who cannot spell basic words. We have kids who cannot write complete sentences because they never learned grammar. It is extremely confusing on why you are getting so upset about a 10-15 minute block of instruction that actually involves word study. Kids still have reading blocks that are comprehension based and writing blocks. If your child isn’t getting any reading comprehension lessons than that is a teacher/school issue. Students in my class get 15 mins of word study(spelling/grammar/vocab development), reading (1hour) and writing (40 mins). The only grades that have longer word study blocks are K-2.

[Anonymous]

My dyslexic child is in AAP and reads at grade level (and probably has better reading comprehension than the one lady's 4th grader). I'm just saying. Not everything fits into your neat little buckets. Not everything is about money (lady who things OG and phonics instruction is just about someone making money is cuckoo).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is FCPS teaching kids who can already read dyslexia techniques?

Phonics is NOT just for dyslexia. It is how you actually teach kids to read. It is also how kids learn spelling rules.

This is what I don’t get. Everyone has been clamoring for spelling and now are kids are getting spelling instruction and people are upset?

Spelling instruction can happen without all the phonics rules.

Here is an example I learned ow vs ou by getting a list of words I had to write sentences, fill the blanks make a maze etc every night for homework. I then had a test on Friday.

Now kids are being told phonics rules like the following:

When you hear /ow/ at the end of a word or syllable, use ow (cow, now, pow/er, show/er). When you hear /ow/ at the start of, or inside a word or syllable, use ou (ounce, house, loud). BUT: If the word rhymes with down (frown, clown, town) or owl (howl, towel, growl) we usually use ow.

My gen ed son is finding this confusing and I don’t blame him. I don’t really care about this rule either and can somewhat spell having never learned it. On top of knowing the rule, knowing all the exceptions is just ridiculous considering the English language is full of exceptions (like 20% i think?) I’m sure someone will correct it. Kids also have to know open and closed syllables and how it changes spelling patterns. It is intervention level phonics, not just oh hey here are some spelling patterns to know.

I think the most important thing about spelling when I learned it was the accountability of the test and knowing you had to study to get it right. Now, kids are being taught all the rules and it can be more confusing and tedious and I have yet to be convinced it will help as much as many parents are hoping.

So your problem with phonics is that it’s too hard. And kids should learn how to spell by making a maze. Well, that’s an interesting idea.

Nice cherry-picking one part of my reply. Two thumbs up! Let me preface my response with this is an example so you don’t get confused.

So I am to take it that as a kid you learned how spelling patterns vary with open and closed syllables, learned all the exceptions to the rules and you think that is important to functioning in a society where spell check and voice to text features are ubiquitous.

Ok, I disagree.

People should know how to spell basic words. We have students in Upper ES and middle school who cannot spell basic words. We have kids who cannot write complete sentences because they never learned grammar. It is extremely confusing on why you are getting so upset about a 10-15 minute block of instruction that actually involves word study. Kids still have reading blocks that are comprehension based and writing blocks. If your child isn’t getting any reading comprehension lessons than that is a teacher/school issue. Students in my class get 15 mins of word study(spelling/grammar/vocab development), reading (1hour) and writing (40 mins). The only grades that have longer word study blocks are K-2.

I posted earlier about our blocks (similar to yours), but we have put started groups yet. We have done whole group lessons. I still have to start the CORE and PASS assessments. DSA and PRF has taken up my group time.

[Anonymous]

* haven’t started groups yet

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My dyslexic child is in AAP and reads at grade level (and probably has better reading comprehension than the one lady's 4th grader). I'm just saying. Not everything fits into your neat little buckets. Not everything is about money (lady who things OG and phonics instruction is just about someone making money is cuckoo).

You honestly think money and politics don’t have huge effects on the education system?

And you are calling me crazy for pointing that out.

Ok clearly we are unable to have a discussion about that. There are many many research papers, books and documentaries about that if you ever become interested.

[Anonymous]

My mom taught second grade for years and did heavy phonics rules teaching. She was certified in OG. She said her kids learned all the rules and that teachers in the later grades always knew who had been in her class because they could spell really like words perfectly by applying the rules. This was at a Title 1 school. Kids can learn these rules and it’s good for them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My dyslexic child is in AAP and reads at grade level (and probably has better reading comprehension than the one lady's 4th grader). I'm just saying. Not everything fits into your neat little buckets. Not everything is about money (lady who things OG and phonics instruction is just about someone making money is cuckoo).

You honestly think money and politics don’t have huge effects on the education system?

And you are calling me crazy for pointing that out.

Ok clearly we are unable to have a discussion about that. There are many many research papers, books and documentaries about that if you ever become interested.

You sound like a conspiracy theorist by saying that the shift in the way we teach reading is solely because of the "dyslexia lobby". There are also many research papers, books, and documentaries about the shift in the way reading is taught back to incorporating phonics-based lessons if you ever become interested.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My dyslexic child is in AAP and reads at grade level (and probably has better reading comprehension than the one lady's 4th grader). I'm just saying. Not everything fits into your neat little buckets. Not everything is about money (lady who things OG and phonics instruction is just about someone making money is cuckoo).

You honestly think money and politics don’t have huge effects on the education system?

And you are calling me crazy for pointing that out.

Ok clearly we are unable to have a discussion about that. There are many many research papers, books and documentaries about that if you ever become interested.

You sound like a conspiracy theorist by saying that the shift in the way we teach reading is solely because of the "dyslexia lobby". There are also many research papers, books, and documentaries about the shift in the way reading is taught back to incorporating phonics-based lessons if you ever become interested.

I think some parents are annoyed that kids in Upper ES are starting to focus on phonics at a more basic level even though they are older. I doubt there would be as much angst if this was being introduced in K or 1rst Grade.

I see a benefit for my 5th Grader and I am happy that it is there. Parents whose kids are decent spellers using the old method are miffed because it feels like a step back. I mean, I roll my eyes at the math instruction but I have a kid who loves math and has always been ahead in math. I also get that most kids are not my kid and that there are kids who are struggling with mat at grade level just like I get that there are kids who find the introduction of word study in 6th grade to be boring and unnecessary. One would hope that the parents would understand that there are a lot more kids who need this instruction, even in 6th grade.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My dyslexic child is in AAP and reads at grade level (and probably has better reading comprehension than the one lady's 4th grader). I'm just saying. Not everything fits into your neat little buckets. Not everything is about money (lady who things OG and phonics instruction is just about someone making money is cuckoo).

You honestly think money and politics don’t have huge effects on the education system?

And you are calling me crazy for pointing that out.

Ok clearly we are unable to have a discussion about that. There are many many research papers, books and documentaries about that if you ever become interested.

You sound like a conspiracy theorist by saying that the shift in the way we teach reading is solely because of the "dyslexia lobby". There are also many research papers, books, and documentaries about the shift in the way reading is taught back to incorporating phonics-based lessons if you ever become interested.

PP clearly has no experience with children with disabilities or in education. News flash, PP: a lot of techniques and accommodations made for kids with disabilities HELP ALL OF THE STUDENTS. This is supported by research.