USNEWS 2023 rankings

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Columbia may fall out of the top 10.

Columbia was removed from the 2022 ranking (tied at #2) due to recent disclosures of improper data submission to US News. Columbia University is one of a handful of elite schools that does not submit a CDS.

For the top 5, go with the 5 largest endowments (Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Princeton, MIT).

Then Penn, Chicago, Northwestern, Caltech, & Duke in some order.

Johns Hopkins and Columbia tied at #11.

Next grouping: Dartmouth, Brown, Vanderbilt, Cornell, & WashUStL.

Next 5: Rice, Notre Dame, UCLA, & Cal-Berkeley.

USC may move up from its current #27 position.

Agree.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Liberal Arts Colleges (LAC) ranking guess:

I love Williams College, but I think that Williams, Amherst, Swarthmone, Pomona, Wellesley, and Carleton College are deserving of the top ranking.

Claremont McKenna is in an elite class by itself as is Harvey Mudd College.

Bowdoin College has a friendly, close-knit, elite, prep boarding school feel (more like St. Paul's School & Groton, than Andover or Exeter).

My guess:

1) Williams College
2) Amherst College

3) Pomona College
3) Swarthmore College

5) Wellesley College

6) Bowdoin College
6) Carleton College

8) Claremont McKenna College

9) Middlebury College

10) Colby College (playing the ratings game well)
10) Davidson College
10) Harvey Mudd College

13) Grinnell College
13) Wash & Lee University

15) Hamilton College
15) Haverford College
15) Colgate University

18) USMA-West Point
18) USNA--Annapolis
18) USAFA--Colorado Springs

21) Barnard College
21) Smith College

23) Wesleyan University
24) Kenyon College
25) Bryn Mawr
26) Univ. of Richmond
27) College of the Holy Cross

28) Franklin & Marshall
29) Macalester College
30) Rhodes College

31) Bates College
31) SOKA
31) Thomas Aquinas
31) Oberlin College

35) Occidental College
36) Lafayette College

37) Centre College
37) Whitman College
37) Mount Holyoke College

40) Bucknell University
41) Gettysburg College
42) Trinity College
43) Gettysburg College
44) Furman University

Wellesley is NO LOWER THAN FOUR, if not one or two.

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Anonymous wrote:Columbia may fall out of the top 10.

Columbia was removed from the 2022 ranking (tied at #2) due to recent disclosures of improper data submission to US News. Columbia University is one of a handful of elite schools that does not submit a CDS.

For the top 5, go with the 5 largest endowments (Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Princeton, MIT).

Then Penn, Chicago, Northwestern, Caltech, & Duke in some order.

Johns Hopkins and Columbia tied at #11.

Next grouping: Dartmouth, Brown, Vanderbilt, Cornell, & WashUinto.

Next 5: Rice, Notre Dame, UCLA, & Cal-Berkeley.

USC may move up from its current #27 position.

UCLA, Berkeley, USC, and Cornell will fall. Emory, Georgetown, Umich, UVA will rise.

Emory, Georgetown and UVA will fall. Cornell and UCLA will rise.

Let's make a bet lol. I'm 90% certain UCLA will fall unless you have some insider info you want to share.

In all serious, why do you say this? Berkeley the one with the admissions issue. UCLA only got 10,000 more applications than year before. Harder to get into. Took a few hundred less OOS. Only issue people talk about is moving to Big 10. Nothing else really changed.

Test blind.

UCs were test blind the year before and it did not change their rankings. I think some of them (UCSB, UCD) may have improved their position. There is still 6 of them in the Top 40.

Test blind does not apply until this year. Remember the rankings are 1 year behind.

NP, Test scores will not part of the methodology this year.

Says who? Unless you have insider info. There's no indication of this...
https://www.usnews.com/education/blogs/college-rankings-blog/articles/2022-08-22/2022-2023-best-colleges-rankings-coming-sept-12

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Columbia may fall out of the top 10.

Columbia was removed from the 2022 ranking (tied at #2) due to recent disclosures of improper data submission to US News. Columbia University is one of a handful of elite schools that does not submit a CDS.

For the top 5, go with the 5 largest endowments (Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Princeton, MIT).

Then Penn, Chicago, Northwestern, Caltech, & Duke in some order.

Johns Hopkins and Columbia tied at #11.

Next grouping: Dartmouth, Brown, Vanderbilt, Cornell, & WashUinto.

Next 5: Rice, Notre Dame, UCLA, & Cal-Berkeley.

USC may move up from its current #27 position.

UCLA, Berkeley, USC, and Cornell will fall. Emory, Georgetown, Umich, UVA will rise.

Emory, Georgetown and UVA will fall. Cornell and UCLA will rise.

Let's make a bet lol. I'm 90% certain UCLA will fall unless you have some insider info you want to share.

In all serious, why do you say this? Berkeley the one with the admissions issue. UCLA only got 10,000 more applications than year before. Harder to get into. Took a few hundred less OOS. Only issue people talk about is moving to Big 10. Nothing else really changed.

Test blind.

UCs were test blind the year before and it did not change their rankings. I think some of them (UCSB, UCD) may have improved their position. There is still 6 of them in the Top 40.

Test blind does not apply until this year. Remember the rankings are 1 year behind.

NP, Test scores will not part of the methodology this year.

Your mom said that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Liberal Arts Colleges (LAC) ranking guess:

I love Williams College, but I think that Williams, Amherst, Swarthmone, Pomona, Wellesley, and Carleton College are deserving of the top ranking.

Claremont McKenna is in an elite class by itself as is Harvey Mudd College.

Bowdoin College has a friendly, close-knit, elite, prep boarding school feel (more like St. Paul's School & Groton, than Andover or Exeter).

My guess:

1) Williams College
2) Amherst College

3) Pomona College
3) Swarthmore College

5) Wellesley College

6) Bowdoin College
6) Carleton College

8) Claremont McKenna College

9) Middlebury College

10) Colby College (playing the ratings game well)
10) Davidson College
10) Harvey Mudd College

13) Grinnell College
13) Wash & Lee University

15) Hamilton College
15) Haverford College
15) Colgate University

18) USMA-West Point
18) USNA--Annapolis
18) USAFA--Colorado Springs

21) Barnard College
21) Smith College

23) Wesleyan University
24) Kenyon College
25) Bryn Mawr
26) Univ. of Richmond
27) College of the Holy Cross

28) Franklin & Marshall
29) Macalester College
30) Rhodes College

31) Bates College
31) SOKA
31) Thomas Aquinas
31) Oberlin College

35) Occidental College
36) Lafayette College

37) Centre College
37) Whitman College
37) Mount Holyoke College

40) Bucknell University
41) Gettysburg College
42) Trinity College
43) Gettysburg College
44) Furman University

USNWR should remove the service academies from the LAC rankings. They are unique institutions that really aren't like traditional LACs.

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Anonymous wrote:Columbia may fall out of the top 10.

Columbia was removed from the 2022 ranking (tied at #2) due to recent disclosures of improper data submission to US News. Columbia University is one of a handful of elite schools that does not submit a CDS.

For the top 5, go with the 5 largest endowments (Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Princeton, MIT).

Then Penn, Chicago, Northwestern, Caltech, & Duke in some order.

Johns Hopkins and Columbia tied at #11.

Next grouping: Dartmouth, Brown, Vanderbilt, Cornell, & WashUStL.

Next 5: Rice, Notre Dame, UCLA, & Cal-Berkeley.

USC may move up from its current #27 position.

You forgot Michigan, and the Cal schools won't get the same bump given the admissions issues from the last cycle.

Also, stop trying to make Notre Dame happen.

Notre Dame has been a T20 for a very very long long time.
It's 7th on endowment. I don't see schools that will push it out of T20.

No it has not.ND was 24 in 2014.

Show me the data. My data shows it was #18 in 2014.

Here's the data I have. From this link. https://andyreiter.com/datasets/

Screenshot of sorted data of current top 25:

[Anonymous]

Williams will be 100% at 1 and Amherst at 2. The gap between the factors in which they excel per US News is too large for other LACs to beat. Expecting Pomona to fall because they had an unnaturally high percent of classes with under 20
students last year. Swat, Wellesley, and Bowdoin in 3-5.

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U of Az will become a T100

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Columbia may fall out of the top 10.

Columbia was removed from the 2022 ranking (tied at #2) due to recent disclosures of improper data submission to US News. Columbia University is one of a handful of elite schools that does not submit a CDS.

For the top 5, go with the 5 largest endowments (Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Princeton, MIT).

Then Penn, Chicago, Northwestern, Caltech, & Duke in some order.

Johns Hopkins and Columbia tied at #11.

Next grouping: Dartmouth, Brown, Vanderbilt, Cornell, & WashUStL.

Next 5: Rice, Notre Dame, UCLA, & Cal-Berkeley.

USC may move up from its current #27 position.

You forgot Michigan, and the Cal schools won't get the same bump given the admissions issues from the last cycle.

Also, stop trying to make Notre Dame happen.

Notre Dame has been a T20 for a very very long long time.
It's 7th on endowment. I don't see schools that will push it out of T20.

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Notre Dame will fall because it’s only 3.21 percent black. Again, no one care about its endowment

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Columbia may fall out of the top 10.

Columbia was removed from the 2022 ranking (tied at #2) due to recent disclosures of improper data submission to US News. Columbia University is one of a handful of elite schools that does not submit a CDS.

For the top 5, go with the 5 largest endowments (Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Princeton, MIT).

Then Penn, Chicago, Northwestern, Caltech, & Duke in some order.

Johns Hopkins and Columbia tied at #11.

Next grouping: Dartmouth, Brown, Vanderbilt, Cornell, & WashUStL.

Next 5: Rice, Notre Dame, UCLA, & Cal-Berkeley.

USC may move up from its current #27 position.

You forgot Michigan, and the Cal schools won't get the same bump given the admissions issues from the last cycle.

Also, stop trying to make Notre Dame happen.

Notre Dame has been a T20 for a very very long long time.
It's 7th on endowment. I don't see schools that will push it out of T20.

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Notre Dame will fall because it’s only 3.21 percent black. Again, no one care about its endowment

Not sure where you are getting your data. Would you mind sharing? I do know that their admissions last year included 14% African American. I realize that doesn't mean enrollment though. What I will say is that ND must have something going for it if it ranks high despite its lack of diversity. Imagine if they fixed that...it would rise above others...maybe to #15 or less?

[Anonymous]

Endowment is, arguably, the single most important factor when ranking colleges & universities.

[Anonymous]

USC has been dropping at USNews for a while now. Not sure why some think it’s going to be headed in the other direction.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Columbia may fall out of the top 10.

Columbia was removed from the 2022 ranking (tied at #2) due to recent disclosures of improper data submission to US News. Columbia University is one of a handful of elite schools that does not submit a CDS.

For the top 5, go with the 5 largest endowments (Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Princeton, MIT).

Then Penn, Chicago, Northwestern, Caltech, & Duke in some order.

Johns Hopkins and Columbia tied at #11.

Next grouping: Dartmouth, Brown, Vanderbilt, Cornell, & WashUStL.

Next 5: Rice, Notre Dame, UCLA, & Cal-Berkeley.

USC may move up from its current #27 position.

You forgot Michigan, and the Cal schools won't get the same bump given the admissions issues from the last cycle.

Also, stop trying to make Notre Dame happen.

Notre Dame has been a T20 for a very very long long time.
It's 7th on endowment. I don't see schools that will push it out of T20.

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Notre Dame will fall because it’s only 3.21 percent black. Again, no one care about its endowment

Sounds like you are new to the college ranking stuff.
Endowment is a very important factor.
Look at the correlation between endowment and the ranking.

Notre Dame admitted enough Blacks, but it can't force them to enroll.
It'll not fall because of black.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Endowment is, arguably, the single most important factor when ranking colleges & universities.

Nonsense. Many of the great publics schools in this country don’t have huge endowments. People seem to forget that large state appropriations are equivalent to billions of dollars in private school endowment.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Endowment is, arguably, the single most important factor when ranking colleges & universities.

Nonsense. Many of the great publics schools in this country don’t have huge endowments. People seem to forget that large state appropriations are equivalent to billions of dollars in private school endowment.

LOL Place the US News rankings next to a list of schools ranked by endowment. (Univ. of Texas system and Texas A&M endowments cover many universities within each system).