Where to seek sanctuary if you are terrified of local progressives?

[Anonymous]

I think Lynchburg VA would welcome you and you would be very happy there.

[Anonymous]

London County

[Anonymous]

OP, there is the whole state of West Virginia, Kentucky, most of Georgia, Florida, Texas, Iowa, etc etc
Pick one and go.

[Anonymous]

Indiana

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Frederick Maryland is nice

Please don't come to Frederick. We are very progressive here.

That’s funny.

The Ku Klux Klan only marches monthly

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Frederick Maryland is nice

Please don't come to Frederick. We are very progressive here.

That’s funny.

The Ku Klux Klan only marches monthly

You're confusing Frederick with Hagerstown. Is geography always hard for you?

[Anonymous]

Takoma Park

[Anonymous]

Any rural area. Seriously. Even places close to or in MoCo have enough trumpets.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the high income earners are "fleeing" MoCo, why are there so many $1mil+ condo/TH opening up hear me in MoCo. Who the heck is buying up these expensive homes?

They are fleeing:

https://harpswellstrategies.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/Post-Pandemic-Economic-Leadership-for-Montgomery-County.pdf

Montgomery County failed to capture its pre-2007 share of regional job growth, leading to a cumulative impact of more than 14,000 high quality jobs in key industry sectors that chose to locate elsewhere in the region.

From the 1st quarter of 2016 through the 3rd quarter of 2020 (most recent data available), Fairfax County gained more jobs and gained jobs at a faster rate than Montgomery County in the research and development in the physical, engineering, and life sciences industry.

Montgomery County actually lost private business establishments from 2007 to 2019, while in the rest of Maryland the number of private establishments increased by 6.9%. During that period, private establishments in Fairfax County increased by 12.5%, in the District of Columbia private establishments increased by 21.6%, and in Arlington County private establishments increased by 21.9%.

Montgomery County’s neighbors are offering large incentives to employers on the move and to spur development. For example, Virginia offered Microsoft $22.5 million to move 1,500 jobs to Reston ($15,000 per job). This is well above the recent Montgomery County/State of Maryland combined award of approximately $11,700 per job. Given that businesses in Maryland must also overcome significant structural disadvantages (e.g., local piggyback income tax, higher corporate taxes, etc.), these awards are well below the level that would be necessary to incentivize a business to choose a Montgomery County location rather than a comparable location in Northern Virginia.

MoCo is already losing to other parts of Maryland itself. PG is now creating more jobs than MoCo. Look, if you are going to have high crime and crappy schools, then at least drop the taxes. Of course that doesn't happen in MoCo.

I see you have reading comprehension issues. I'll repeat:

If the high income earners are "fleeing" MoCo, why are there so many $1mil+ condo/TH opening up near me in MoCo. Who the heck is buying up these expensive homes? I wfh, and every so often when I go run an errand I see all these new builds everywhere. It's crazy. Developers aren't building these expensive homes out of the goodness of their hearts. These are pretty expensive TH and condos.

So, again, if UMC people are "fleeing" MoCo, why are there so many new builds of expensive homes?

I see you are conflating all sorts anti-developer sentiment and huge inefficient bureaucracy with actual free market economics and high prices. Lol, when you create artificial shortages because of crappy county execs like Elrich, of course prices are high.

San Francisco also has high housing costs, but that doesn't change the fact that they're hemorrhaging people trying to escape the suffocating progressivism that has ruined SF.

With all the homorrhaging, SF still has huge housing costs.

I'm not anti-developer, at all. I just notice all these new builds that are super expensive. How can there be a shortage if I'm seeing a sh1t ton of new builds everywhere I drive around. There is shortage of cheaper homes, sure, because there are too many people with money here driving up prices.

Interesting you bring up "free market economics". With all the new builds, if people were fleeing, you would think the demand would go down, so those new build prices would go down. But, they are not going down to the level of "people are fleeing MoCo".

Again, answer the question. Why are there so many expensive new builds if the wealthy are fleeing MoCo.

Oh, and btw, interesting you bring up SF. I used to live there. I "fled" because I got priced out due to so many more wealthy people driving up the cost.

I don't think you understand how supply and demand works.

Here.. let me explain... WV, for example, housing is dirt cheap. Why? No demand. Places like Austin, TX are seeing their housing costs go up rapidly? Why? Lots of demand. Note that Austin is not a red city. Even as we see some people leaving the Bay Area, the housing costs are still ridiculously high. Why? Lots of demand from people with high paying jobs. Certain places in TX still have cheap housing costs. Why? Not a lot of high paying jobs and not too much demand.

Econ 101 of Supply and Demand.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Any rural area. Seriously. Even places close to or in MoCo have enough trumpets.

IKR. How dumb is OP that they don't get that. Why doesn't OP move to rural parts of MD? Not enough jobs there? No infrastructure? What's stopping OP from moving to Cumberland, for example?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Where would you consider moving to in this region if you are very disturbed and scared of local progressive taking over your local govt? I am extremely troubled by the developments in MoCo. Businesses and jobs are fleeing and/or not even considering MoCo anymore. Crime is rising because of the progressive criminal justice reforms. I fear that crime will continue to rise, school quality will get worse, and as the tax base heads for the doors the county's progressives' only solutions ever will be to try to raise taxes on residents to stop the bleeding in terms of the budget as revenues will inevitably decline. Where would you go to escape this same fiasco for replaying over again if you were considering relocating? It is basically impossible to push back with common sense legislation, ideas, and candidates. The county is so far gone in terms of one-sided echo chamber rule that I think there is no more hope left of ever saving this sinking ship. Terrified of all of these progressives and how much they threaten the equity we have vested in our home as well. Their other initiative is basically to ruin all SFHs via Thrive MoCo 2050. What a disaster in the works. Where can we go to transfer the equity of our home and save ourselves from likely huge tax increases to fund their agendas?

You are terrified? Of what? Humanity?
Please, take the next train, plane, or automobile (or auto train!) to Florida. ASAP. They are waiting for you.

No, it's logical to be terrified of progressive politics that will inevitably lead to more crime. We are already seeing in MoCo everyday. Carjackings, shootings, vandalism, assaults, home invasions, and murders are all up. Members of the new council are extreme anti-police types who propose asinine ideas likes community intervention specialists that will some how magically prevent crime. We all know the predictable will happen as crime will sky rocket up now that the county has no repercussions for committing crime, and no one on the streets to actually enforce the laws. People will flee high crime, schools will deteriorate, and then property values will go down. It starts snowballing with crime.

And one doesn't even have to consider greedy motivations like property values. I'm terrified of progressives because you now have to be more scared that you will become a victim of crime since there are no more consequences for criminals. Physical and bodily harm is absolutely something to be concerned about. Gangs are running rampant in MoCo. Shootings in areas like DTSS are absolutely out of control. MoCo is literally turning into Baltimore in terms of crime and quality of schools.

I'm sorry, but I think you just struggle with a lot things you don't understand and you conflate it with politics that you don't understand.
Your term "out of control" is literally out of control.
And your facts and broad statements are not factual, to say the least. Nothing has changed in this area because of politics. The area has become more populated, that's all. If you had an all Republican government here, the things you mention will still be issues. I have no idea what you mean about property values, they have skyrocketed in the last 18 months. You are worried about shootings? And yet you want Republican leadership. Seriously, dude, what have you missed here?

Seriously,leave. No one here will have a problem with that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Frederick Maryland is nice

Please don't come to Frederick. We are very progressive here.

That’s funny.

The Ku Klux Klan only marches monthly

You're confusing Frederick with Hagerstown. Is geography always hard for you?

Actually that’s Thurmont

[Anonymous]

Close by

Eastern Shore
Western MD
southern va

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the high income earners are "fleeing" MoCo, why are there so many $1mil+ condo/TH opening up hear me in MoCo. Who the heck is buying up these expensive homes?

They are fleeing:

https://harpswellstrategies.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/Post-Pandemic-Economic-Leadership-for-Montgomery-County.pdf

Montgomery County failed to capture its pre-2007 share of regional job growth, leading to a cumulative impact of more than 14,000 high quality jobs in key industry sectors that chose to locate elsewhere in the region.

From the 1st quarter of 2016 through the 3rd quarter of 2020 (most recent data available), Fairfax County gained more jobs and gained jobs at a faster rate than Montgomery County in the research and development in the physical, engineering, and life sciences industry.

Montgomery County actually lost private business establishments from 2007 to 2019, while in the rest of Maryland the number of private establishments increased by 6.9%. During that period, private establishments in Fairfax County increased by 12.5%, in the District of Columbia private establishments increased by 21.6%, and in Arlington County private establishments increased by 21.9%.

Montgomery County’s neighbors are offering large incentives to employers on the move and to spur development. For example, Virginia offered Microsoft $22.5 million to move 1,500 jobs to Reston ($15,000 per job). This is well above the recent Montgomery County/State of Maryland combined award of approximately $11,700 per job. Given that businesses in Maryland must also overcome significant structural disadvantages (e.g., local piggyback income tax, higher corporate taxes, etc.), these awards are well below the level that would be necessary to incentivize a business to choose a Montgomery County location rather than a comparable location in Northern Virginia.

MoCo is already losing to other parts of Maryland itself. PG is now creating more jobs than MoCo. Look, if you are going to have high crime and crappy schools, then at least drop the taxes. Of course that doesn't happen in MoCo.

I see you have reading comprehension issues. I'll repeat:

If the high income earners are "fleeing" MoCo, why are there so many $1mil+ condo/TH opening up near me in MoCo. Who the heck is buying up these expensive homes? I wfh, and every so often when I go run an errand I see all these new builds everywhere. It's crazy. Developers aren't building these expensive homes out of the goodness of their hearts. These are pretty expensive TH and condos.

So, again, if UMC people are "fleeing" MoCo, why are there so many new builds of expensive homes?

I see you are conflating all sorts anti-developer sentiment and huge inefficient bureaucracy with actual free market economics and high prices. Lol, when you create artificial shortages because of crappy county execs like Elrich, of course prices are high.

San Francisco also has high housing costs, but that doesn't change the fact that they're hemorrhaging people trying to escape the suffocating progressivism that has ruined SF.

With all the homorrhaging, SF still has huge housing costs.

I'm not anti-developer, at all. I just notice all these new builds that are super expensive. How can there be a shortage if I'm seeing a sh1t ton of new builds everywhere I drive around. There is shortage of cheaper homes, sure, because there are too many people with money here driving up prices.

Interesting you bring up "free market economics". With all the new builds, if people were fleeing, you would think the demand would go down, so those new build prices would go down. But, they are not going down to the level of "people are fleeing MoCo".

Again, answer the question. Why are there so many expensive new builds if the wealthy are fleeing MoCo.

Oh, and btw, interesting you bring up SF. I used to live there. I "fled" because I got priced out due to so many more wealthy people driving up the cost.

I don't think you understand how supply and demand works.

Here.. let me explain... WV, for example, housing is dirt cheap. Why? No demand. Places like Austin, TX are seeing their housing costs go up rapidly? Why? Lots of demand. Note that Austin is not a red city. Even as we see some people leaving the Bay Area, the housing costs are still ridiculously high. Why? Lots of demand from people with high paying jobs. Certain places in TX still have cheap housing costs. Why? Not a lot of high paying jobs and not too much demand.

Econ 101 of Supply and Demand.

Imagine being ignorant of all of the supply chain issues and the govt artifically pumping the housing market with low interest rates and tons of liquidity and trying to setup an argument that high housing costs in an area like MoCo *must* = desirability and good QoL.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Where would you consider moving to in this region if you are very disturbed and scared of local progressive taking over your local govt? I am extremely troubled by the developments in MoCo. Businesses and jobs are fleeing and/or not even considering MoCo anymore. Crime is rising because of the progressive criminal justice reforms. I fear that crime will continue to rise, school quality will get worse, and as the tax base heads for the doors the county's progressives' only solutions ever will be to try to raise taxes on residents to stop the bleeding in terms of the budget as revenues will inevitably decline. Where would you go to escape this same fiasco for replaying over again if you were considering relocating? It is basically impossible to push back with common sense legislation, ideas, and candidates. The county is so far gone in terms of one-sided echo chamber rule that I think there is no more hope left of ever saving this sinking ship. Terrified of all of these progressives and how much they threaten the equity we have vested in our home as well. Their other initiative is basically to ruin all SFHs via Thrive MoCo 2050. What a disaster in the works. Where can we go to transfer the equity of our home and save ourselves from likely huge tax increases to fund their agendas?

You are terrified? Of what? Humanity?
Please, take the next train, plane, or automobile (or auto train!) to Florida. ASAP. They are waiting for you.

No, it's logical to be terrified of progressive politics that will inevitably lead to more crime. We are already seeing in MoCo everyday. Carjackings, shootings, vandalism, assaults, home invasions, and murders are all up. Members of the new council are extreme anti-police types who propose asinine ideas likes community intervention specialists that will some how magically prevent crime. We all know the predictable will happen as crime will sky rocket up now that the county has no repercussions for committing crime, and no one on the streets to actually enforce the laws. People will flee high crime, schools will deteriorate, and then property values will go down. It starts snowballing with crime.

And one doesn't even have to consider greedy motivations like property values. I'm terrified of progressives because you now have to be more scared that you will become a victim of crime since there are no more consequences for criminals. Physical and bodily harm is absolutely something to be concerned about. Gangs are running rampant in MoCo. Shootings in areas like DTSS are absolutely out of control. MoCo is literally turning into Baltimore in terms of crime and quality of schools.

I'm sorry, but I think you just struggle with a lot things you don't understand and you conflate it with politics that you don't understand.
Your term "out of control" is literally out of control.
And your facts and broad statements are not factual, to say the least. Nothing has changed in this area because of politics. The area has become more populated, that's all. If you had an all Republican government here, the things you mention will still be issues. I have no idea what you mean about property values, they have skyrocketed in the last 18 months. You are worried about shootings? And yet you want Republican leadership. Seriously, dude, what have you missed here?

Seriously,leave. No one here will have a problem with that.

Sorry, you're wrong:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/md-politics/prince-georges-has-overtaken-montgomery-as-top-job-creator-in-maryland-suburbs/2020/01/19/218c3646-38b6-11ea-bf30-ad313e4ec754_story.html

https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2022/01/homicides-carjackings-up-in-montgomery-county/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/falling-stars-some-schools-see-a-decline-in-ratings-in-maryland-suburbs/2019/12/03/e033402a-1535-11ea-8406-df3c54b3253e_story.html

A lot IS changing... for the worse. MoCo is losing in the jobs race. School quality has been declining for years. Serious crimes are going up. But continue to stick your head in the sand, as if progressives hold some magical key to enlightenment they allows only them to understand what's going on in the county. Progressives are rotting the entire MoCo from within..