College alumni groups spread nationally to counter ‘cancel culture’ (WaPo)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The UVA person is the guy who drove down to the school to harass a kid at her door because he didn’t like that a sign she hung up with some grievances about the school. He had a box cutter and security told him he couldn’t cut down her sign because that would violate her free speech.

His letter about his issue with the sign was posted to the UVA parent Facebook and people were horrified. He and his friends seem to spend a lot of time writing about their own grievances.

The only “free speech” these people believe in is their own.

Yup, Bert Ellis. Attempted to intimidate a student and cut down her poster. Now appointed to UVA’s board.

How did that happen?

UVA appoints racist MAGA trash to its board?

This is why we are screwed in this state. People have no idea about the scope of the Governor’s power.

The Governor appoints the boards that make decisions about the state colleges. He appointed the crazy guy to UVA’s board.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow. These MAGAs are planning to trash UVA.

https://thejeffersoncouncil.com/year-end-uva-update-from-bert-ellis/

“The University is also overrun with courses that exist for no other purpose but to make a big deal about race and gender and other issues that can only create more oppressed parties trying to tear down anything and everything and everyone that helped create our University.”

Translation: Make UVA white male again.

Valiantly fighting ‘cancel culture’ by cancelling courses you don’t like. And then convincing the stupid and gullible that what you’re actually doing is standing up for free speech and critical thinking.

These people love dim witted rubes like you.

Exactly. They don’t want free speech. They’ve just successfully convinced people who don’t have critical reading/listening skills that they do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The UVA person is the guy who drove down to the school to harass a kid at her door because he didn’t like that a sign she hung up with some grievances about the school. He had a box cutter and security told him he couldn’t cut down her sign because that would violate her free speech.

His letter about his issue with the sign was posted to the UVA parent Facebook and people were horrified. He and his friends seem to spend a lot of time writing about their own grievances.

The only “free speech” these people believe in is their own.

Yup, Bert Ellis. Attempted to intimidate a student and cut down her poster. Now appointed to UVA’s board.

How did that happen?

UVA appoints racist MAGA trash to its board?

This is why we are screwed in this state. People have no idea about the scope of the Governor’s power.

The Governor appoints the boards that make decisions about the state colleges. He appointed the crazy guy to UVA’s board.

Wow. I didn't realize that he was going to destroy the state colleges too. Just the K-12.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This gives me hope:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/college-alumni-groups-spread-nationally-to-counter-cancel-culture/ar-AAZUKiJ?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=e315d08d7ae5471fb6edafb72f5a34e6

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Good for them.

What do you not understand? Republicans made up cancel culture you are an idiot

The US is founded on this if you don’t like it leave move to North Korea or Russia but you sure as hell are not telling the rest of us we have to shopping at hobby lobby or Walgreens!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This gives me hope:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/college-alumni-groups-spread-nationally-to-counter-cancel-culture/ar-AAZUKiJ?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=e315d08d7ae5471fb6edafb72f5a34e6

+100
Good for them.

What do you not understand? Republicans made up cancel culture you are an idiot

The US is founded on this if you don’t like it leave move to North Korea or Russia but you sure as hell are not telling the rest of us we have to shopping at hobby lobby or Walgreens!

Too funny.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Summary: Old, white guys with money forms groups to get colleges to go back to giving their “born on third” kids a place to mess around for four years before their use their connections to get executive jobs.

If you believe the name they give their group, you’re not paying attention. You think their work might help your middle class white kid, but they are as much against your kid getting a leg up as they are against minority groups. They want power and opportunity for their wealthy, white kids and no others.

Oh, BS. Many of those most involved in these organizations are immigrants and college graduates who grew up decidedly middle class.

It's about the divide between those who believe that free speech should be paramount, even if that allows people with a bigger soapbox to argue against equity, and those who believe that equity should be paramount, even if that entails the censorship or de-platforming of opposing views.

The W&L example says the people want to preserve General Lee’s legacy.

They’re hoping people assume they’re coming from a good place with the whole free speech thing, but they basically seem upset that people like Lee and Jefferson are seen with more real glasses today than with the rose-colored ones we had when we were kids.

Don’t be fooled. They aren’t about free speech. That’s their cover.

Fair point about W&L but U of C professor Dorian Abbot being disinvited from giving a scientific lecture at MIT because he publicly opposes DEI initiatives is appalling.

It’s not, actually. Research and science in general suffer enormously from the bias in science. Universities and labs are increasingly realize that science is stunted by the old boys club.

[Anonymous]

These groups are not actually in favor of free speech. They just don’t want anyone learning anything accurate about the history of slavery. It’s Orwellian for them to describe themselves as in favor of free speech when their only goal is to subvert free speech.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:These groups are not actually in favor of free speech. They just don’t want anyone learning anything accurate about the history of slavery. It’s Orwellian for them to describe themselves as in favor of free speech when their only goal is to subvert free speech.

Straight up gaslighting 101.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow. These MAGAs are planning to trash UVA.

https://thejeffersoncouncil.com/year-end-uva-update-from-bert-ellis/

“The University is also overrun with courses that exist for no other purpose but to make a big deal about race and gender and other issues that can only create more oppressed parties trying to tear down anything and everything and everyone that helped create our University.”

Translation: Make UVA white male again.

Valiantly fighting ‘cancel culture’ by cancelling courses you don’t like. And then convincing the stupid and gullible that what you’re actually doing is standing up for free speech and critical thinking.

These people love dim witted rubes like you.

Nailed it!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These groups are not actually in favor of free speech. They just don’t want anyone learning anything accurate about the history of slavery. It’s Orwellian for them to describe themselves as in favor of free speech when their only goal is to subvert free speech.

Straight up gaslighting 101.

It’s true. These cancel culture groups are trying to get courses that teach about the history of racism and slavery actually cancelled. That’s straight up Orwellian. You cannot advocate that you support free speech and try to get courses cancelled at the same time without people noticing you are basically just a fascist group trying to shut dissent.

Hint: people who truly support free speech on campus don’t spend all their time trying to suppress it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These groups are not actually in favor of free speech. They just don’t want anyone learning anything accurate about the history of slavery. It’s Orwellian for them to describe themselves as in favor of free speech when their only goal is to subvert free speech.

Straight up gaslighting 101.

It’s true. These cancel culture groups are trying to get courses that teach about the history of racism and slavery actually cancelled. That’s straight up Orwellian. You cannot advocate that you support free speech and try to get courses cancelled at the same time without people noticing you are basically just a fascist group trying to shut dissent.

Hint: people who truly support free speech on campus don’t spend all their time trying to suppress it.

Happens on both sides, but you know that already.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These groups are not actually in favor of free speech. They just don’t want anyone learning anything accurate about the history of slavery. It’s Orwellian for them to describe themselves as in favor of free speech when their only goal is to subvert free speech.

Straight up gaslighting 101.

It’s true. These cancel culture groups are trying to get courses that teach about the history of racism and slavery actually cancelled. That’s straight up Orwellian. You cannot advocate that you support free speech and try to get courses cancelled at the same time without people noticing you are basically just a fascist group trying to shut dissent.

Hint: people who truly support free speech on campus don’t spend all their time trying to suppress it.

Happens on both sides, but you know that already.

It’s really hard to be sympathetic when people like Milo are “victims.”

Once again, you’re falling for these rich, old, white guys’ plan by pulling the “whataboutisms” out for this conversation.

They want to preserve the legacy of Lee. They want Jefferson enshrined instead of seen in light of the historical information that’s been discovered. They don’t want schools to acknowledge any of the messy or hurtful parts of their history. This is NOT about free speech. It’s their agenda with “free speech” as cover.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These groups are not actually in favor of free speech. They just don’t want anyone learning anything accurate about the history of slavery. It’s Orwellian for them to describe themselves as in favor of free speech when their only goal is to subvert free speech.

Straight up gaslighting 101.

It’s true. These cancel culture groups are trying to get courses that teach about the history of racism and slavery actually cancelled. That’s straight up Orwellian. You cannot advocate that you support free speech and try to get courses cancelled at the same time without people noticing you are basically just a fascist group trying to shut dissent.

Hint: people who truly support free speech on campus don’t spend all their time trying to suppress it.

Happens on both sides, but you know that already.

It’s really hard to be sympathetic when people like Milo are “victims.”

Once again, you’re falling for these rich, old, white guys’ plan by pulling the “whataboutisms” out for this conversation.

They want to preserve the legacy of Lee. They want Jefferson enshrined instead of seen in light of the historical information that’s been discovered. They don’t want schools to acknowledge any of the messy or hurtful parts of their history. This is NOT about free speech. It’s their agenda with “free speech” as cover.

No whataboutism, pure fact. It happens on both sides and the fact you don't get that proves you are an unserious person or worse disingenuous. You are not even worth engaging, you are as bad as the people you harping about. Have a nice day.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Summary: Old, white guys with money forms groups to get colleges to go back to giving their “born on third” kids a place to mess around for four years before their use their connections to get executive jobs.

If you believe the name they give their group, you’re not paying attention. You think their work might help your middle class white kid, but they are as much against your kid getting a leg up as they are against minority groups. They want power and opportunity for their wealthy, white kids and no others.

Oh, BS. Many of those most involved in these organizations are immigrants and college graduates who grew up decidedly middle class.

It's about the divide between those who believe that free speech should be paramount, even if that allows people with a bigger soapbox to argue against equity, and those who believe that equity should be paramount, even if that entails the censorship or de-platforming of opposing views.

The W&L example says the people want to preserve General Lee’s legacy.

They’re hoping people assume they’re coming from a good place with the whole free speech thing, but they basically seem upset that people like Lee and Jefferson are seen with more real glasses today than with the rose-colored ones we had when we were kids.

Don’t be fooled. They aren’t about free speech. That’s their cover.

Fair point about W&L but U of C professor Dorian Abbot being disinvited from giving a scientific lecture at MIT because he publicly opposes DEI initiatives is appalling.

It’s not, actually. Research and science in general suffer enormously from the bias in science. Universities and labs are increasingly realize that science is stunted by the old boys club.

Please explain how Mr. Abbot's research in planetary science been affected by bias.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These groups are not actually in favor of free speech. They just don’t want anyone learning anything accurate about the history of slavery. It’s Orwellian for them to describe themselves as in favor of free speech when their only goal is to subvert free speech.

Straight up gaslighting 101.

It’s true. These cancel culture groups are trying to get courses that teach about the history of racism and slavery actually cancelled. That’s straight up Orwellian. You cannot advocate that you support free speech and try to get courses cancelled at the same time without people noticing you are basically just a fascist group trying to shut dissent.

Hint: people who truly support free speech on campus don’t spend all their time trying to suppress it.

Happens on both sides, but you know that already.

Only one side is starting cancel culture groups while simultaneously trying to cancel courses so no, it’s not both sides.