College alumni groups spread nationally to counter ‘cancel culture’ (WaPo)

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Anonymous wrote:These groups are not actually in favor of free speech. They just don’t want anyone learning anything accurate about the history of slavery. It’s Orwellian for them to describe themselves as in favor of free speech when their only goal is to subvert free speech.

Straight up gaslighting 101.

It’s true. These cancel culture groups are trying to get courses that teach about the history of racism and slavery actually cancelled. That’s straight up Orwellian. You cannot advocate that you support free speech and try to get courses cancelled at the same time without people noticing you are basically just a fascist group trying to shut dissent.

Hint: people who truly support free speech on campus don’t spend all their time trying to suppress it.

Happens on both sides, but you know that already.

Only one side is starting cancel culture groups while simultaneously trying to cancel courses so no, it’s not both sides.

DP. Talk about disingenuous. Liberal groups refuse to even allow conservative speakers to speak, and you’re calling yourselves the “party of free speech”? What a joke. A really terrible joke.

Just keep making stuff up as conservatives burn books.

Your angst and bitterness is delicious and amusing! Keep seething, I'm here for it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:These groups are not actually in favor of free speech. They just don’t want anyone learning anything accurate about the history of slavery. It’s Orwellian for them to describe themselves as in favor of free speech when their only goal is to subvert free speech.

Straight up gaslighting 101.

It’s true. These cancel culture groups are trying to get courses that teach about the history of racism and slavery actually cancelled. That’s straight up Orwellian. You cannot advocate that you support free speech and try to get courses cancelled at the same time without people noticing you are basically just a fascist group trying to shut dissent.

Hint: people who truly support free speech on campus don’t spend all their time trying to suppress it.

Happens on both sides, but you know that already.

Only one side is starting cancel culture groups while simultaneously trying to cancel courses so no, it’s not both sides.

DP. Talk about disingenuous. Liberal groups refuse to even allow conservative speakers to speak, and you’re calling yourselves the “party of free speech”? What a joke. A really terrible joke.

THIS x a million. Zero self-awareness.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. These MAGAs are planning to trash UVA.

https://thejeffersoncouncil.com/year-end-uva-update-from-bert-ellis/

I’m so glad you posted this - if this is what you think of as “trashing,” there is really nothing to discuss. Everything he says is common sense, especially this:

“I just found copies of the 2021-2022 Peer Evaluation Forms and Process for University of Virginia professors. I have attached copies here and here. Please note the prominence of DEI issues within the evaluations. There is even a special appendix on DEI examples to use in the evaluation. It is readily apparent that no professor can possibly get a good evaluation and obtain tenure or even a raise in salary if he/she does not pledge total allegiance to DEI and can itemize a large number of DEI initiatives on his/her part. This should not have anything to do with teaching math, science, business or other social science courses. Every Dean or Department Head now has a DEI officer who has co-oversight on the peer review process.”

He is absolutely correct. I hope this DEI nonsense which has infected all aspects of college (and corporate) life is reined in. That you seem to want to see everything through the DEI lens only identifies exactly who you are.

Lies. DEI is one bullet point under a whole list of criteria for each section.

Sounds like the old, white professors are worried that they might need to enter the 21st century.

And there are tons of TRASH ideas:
>Spouting idiotic campaign propaganda about Youngkin "not brainwashing them with the Woke/CRT/DEI mantras".
>Pushing to replace the Board with MAGA losers to "reverse the path to Wokeness".
>Denigrating courses in race/gender as "courses that exist for no other purpose but to make a big deal about race and gender and other issues that can only create more oppressed parties trying to tear down anything and everything and everyone that helped create our University" - WTAF?

I'm appalled that this MAGA loser is on the board of UVA.

Speaking of losers... you seem to have issues. Deep issues. You've spammed this thread over and over with your unhinged rants... move along. Find a hobby.
DP

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:These groups are not actually in favor of free speech. They just don’t want anyone learning anything accurate about the history of slavery. It’s Orwellian for them to describe themselves as in favor of free speech when their only goal is to subvert free speech.

Straight up gaslighting 101.

It’s true. These cancel culture groups are trying to get courses that teach about the history of racism and slavery actually cancelled. That’s straight up Orwellian. You cannot advocate that you support free speech and try to get courses cancelled at the same time without people noticing you are basically just a fascist group trying to shut dissent.

Hint: people who truly support free speech on campus don’t spend all their time trying to suppress it.

Happens on both sides, but you know that already.

Only one side is starting cancel culture groups while simultaneously trying to cancel courses so no, it’s not both sides.

DP. Talk about disingenuous. Liberal groups refuse to even allow conservative speakers to speak, and you’re calling yourselves the “party of free speech”? What a joke. A really terrible joke.

Just keep making stuff up as conservatives burn books.

Um... exactly what part was made up? We'll wait - while YOU make some nonsense up to CYA.
DP

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Anonymous wrote:These groups are not actually in favor of free speech. They just don’t want anyone learning anything accurate about the history of slavery. It’s Orwellian for them to describe themselves as in favor of free speech when their only goal is to subvert free speech.

Straight up gaslighting 101.

It’s true. These cancel culture groups are trying to get courses that teach about the history of racism and slavery actually cancelled. That’s straight up Orwellian. You cannot advocate that you support free speech and try to get courses cancelled at the same time without people noticing you are basically just a fascist group trying to shut dissent.

Hint: people who truly support free speech on campus don’t spend all their time trying to suppress it.

Happens on both sides, but you know that already.

Only one side is starting cancel culture groups while simultaneously trying to cancel courses so no, it’s not both sides.

DP. Talk about disingenuous. Liberal groups refuse to even allow conservative speakers to speak, and you’re calling yourselves the “party of free speech”? What a joke. A really terrible joke.

Just keep making stuff up as conservatives burn books.

Your angst and bitterness is delicious and amusing! Keep seething, I'm here for it.

Totally agree. What a nutter.

[Anonymous]

A friend of mine was married to one of the guys mentioned in the story. Guy is a total arse.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These groups are not actually in favor of free speech. They just don’t want anyone learning anything accurate about the history of slavery. It’s Orwellian for them to describe themselves as in favor of free speech when their only goal is to subvert free speech.

Straight up gaslighting 101.

It’s true. These cancel culture groups are trying to get courses that teach about the history of racism and slavery actually cancelled. That’s straight up Orwellian. You cannot advocate that you support free speech and try to get courses cancelled at the same time without people noticing you are basically just a fascist group trying to shut dissent.

Hint: people who truly support free speech on campus don’t spend all their time trying to suppress it.

Happens on both sides, but you know that already.

Only one side is starting cancel culture groups while simultaneously trying to cancel courses so no, it’s not both sides.

DP. Talk about disingenuous. Liberal groups refuse to even allow conservative speakers to speak, and you’re calling yourselves the “party of free speech”? What a joke. A really terrible joke.

This. The amount of censorship from the liberal groups is phenomenal. Let’s not forget how much the Democrats clamped down on free speech during Covid. Yeah, The hypocrisy is astounding.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These groups are not actually in favor of free speech. They just don’t want anyone learning anything accurate about the history of slavery. It’s Orwellian for them to describe themselves as in favor of free speech when their only goal is to subvert free speech.

Straight up gaslighting 101.

It’s true. These cancel culture groups are trying to get courses that teach about the history of racism and slavery actually cancelled. That’s straight up Orwellian. You cannot advocate that you support free speech and try to get courses cancelled at the same time without people noticing you are basically just a fascist group trying to shut dissent.

Hint: people who truly support free speech on campus don’t spend all their time trying to suppress it.

Happens on both sides, but you know that already.

Only one side is starting cancel culture groups while simultaneously trying to cancel courses so no, it’s not both sides.

DP. Talk about disingenuous. Liberal groups refuse to even allow conservative speakers to speak, and you’re calling yourselves the “party of free speech”? What a joke. A really terrible joke.

This. The amount of censorship from the liberal groups is phenomenal. Let’s not forget how much the Democrats clamped down on free speech during Covid. Yeah, The hypocrisy is astounding.

Can you explain how Dems restricting free speech during covid? It seemed like it was anything goes during COVID. Bleach, horse paste, etc.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These groups are not actually in favor of free speech. They just don’t want anyone learning anything accurate about the history of slavery. It’s Orwellian for them to describe themselves as in favor of free speech when their only goal is to subvert free speech.

Straight up gaslighting 101.

It’s true. These cancel culture groups are trying to get courses that teach about the history of racism and slavery actually cancelled. That’s straight up Orwellian. You cannot advocate that you support free speech and try to get courses cancelled at the same time without people noticing you are basically just a fascist group trying to shut dissent.

Hint: people who truly support free speech on campus don’t spend all their time trying to suppress it.

Happens on both sides, but you know that already.

Only one side is starting cancel culture groups while simultaneously trying to cancel courses so no, it’s not both sides.

DP. Talk about disingenuous. Liberal groups refuse to even allow conservative speakers to speak, and you’re calling yourselves the “party of free speech”? What a joke. A really terrible joke.

This. The amount of censorship from the liberal groups is phenomenal. Let’s not forget how much the Democrats clamped down on free speech during Covid. Yeah, The hypocrisy is astounding.

Can you explain how Dems restricting free speech during covid? It seemed like it was anything goes during COVID. Bleach, horse paste, etc.

Can you give any examples of how free speech was restricted by Dems because I remember all kinds of terrible ideas being shared which were kind of harmful.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. These MAGAs are planning to trash UVA.

https://thejeffersoncouncil.com/year-end-uva-update-from-bert-ellis/

I’m so glad you posted this - if this is what you think of as “trashing,” there is really nothing to discuss. Everything he says is common sense, especially this:

“I just found copies of the 2021-2022 Peer Evaluation Forms and Process for University of Virginia professors. I have attached copies here and here. Please note the prominence of DEI issues within the evaluations. There is even a special appendix on DEI examples to use in the evaluation. It is readily apparent that no professor can possibly get a good evaluation and obtain tenure or even a raise in salary if he/she does not pledge total allegiance to DEI and can itemize a large number of DEI initiatives on his/her part. This should not have anything to do with teaching math, science, business or other social science courses. Every Dean or Department Head now has a DEI officer who has co-oversight on the peer review process.”

He is absolutely correct. I hope this DEI nonsense which has infected all aspects of college (and corporate) life is reined in. That you seem to want to see everything through the DEI lens only identifies exactly who you are.

Lies. DEI is one bullet point under a whole list of criteria for each section.

Sounds like the old, white professors are worried that they might need to enter the 21st century.

And there are tons of TRASH ideas:
>Spouting idiotic campaign propaganda about Youngkin "not brainwashing them with the Woke/CRT/DEI mantras".
>Pushing to replace the Board with MAGA losers to "reverse the path to Wokeness".
>Denigrating courses in race/gender as "courses that exist for no other purpose but to make a big deal about race and gender and other issues that can only create more oppressed parties trying to tear down anything and everything and everyone that helped create our University" - WTAF?

I'm appalled that this MAGA loser is on the board of UVA.

Speaking of losers... you seem to have issues. Deep issues. You've spammed this thread over and over with your unhinged rants... move along. Find a hobby.
DP

Sad. Can’t address any of the points I made so you resort to ad hominem attacks.

Fact: Ellis and Youngkin plan to trash UVA with their bigoted agenda.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These groups are not actually in favor of free speech. They just don’t want anyone learning anything accurate about the history of slavery. It’s Orwellian for them to describe themselves as in favor of free speech when their only goal is to subvert free speech.

Straight up gaslighting 101.

It’s true. These cancel culture groups are trying to get courses that teach about the history of racism and slavery actually cancelled. That’s straight up Orwellian. You cannot advocate that you support free speech and try to get courses cancelled at the same time without people noticing you are basically just a fascist group trying to shut dissent.

Hint: people who truly support free speech on campus don’t spend all their time trying to suppress it.

Happens on both sides, but you know that already.

It’s really hard to be sympathetic when people like Milo are “victims.”

Once again, you’re falling for these rich, old, white guys’ plan by pulling the “whataboutisms” out for this conversation.

They want to preserve the legacy of Lee. They want Jefferson enshrined instead of seen in light of the historical information that’s been discovered. They don’t want schools to acknowledge any of the messy or hurtful parts of their history. This is NOT about free speech. It’s their agenda with “free speech” as cover.

You lose a lot of people who are inclined to agree with you when you casually cling to ageism as if this is fine.

I'm going to assume your sex is female by your many comments. Do you derisively call RBG "old" every chance you get? Do you have any idea what she did for you before you were even conceived?

Just stop. Be more precise. You'll win more over to your side during your social media armchair activisim.

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Anonymous wrote:Summary: Old, white guys with money forms groups to get colleges to go back to giving their “born on third” kids a place to mess around for four years before their use their connections to get executive jobs.

If you believe the name they give their group, you’re not paying attention. You think their work might help your middle class white kid, but they are as much against your kid getting a leg up as they are against minority groups. They want power and opportunity for their wealthy, white kids and no others.

Oh, BS. Many of those most involved in these organizations are immigrants and college graduates who grew up decidedly middle class.

It's about the divide between those who believe that free speech should be paramount, even if that allows people with a bigger soapbox to argue against equity, and those who believe that equity should be paramount, even if that entails the censorship or de-platforming of opposing views.

The W&L example says the people want to preserve General Lee’s legacy.

They’re hoping people assume they’re coming from a good place with the whole free speech thing, but they basically seem upset that people like Lee and Jefferson are seen with more real glasses today than with the rose-colored ones we had when we were kids.

Don’t be fooled. They aren’t about free speech. That’s their cover.

Fair point about W&L but U of C professor Dorian Abbot being disinvited from giving a scientific lecture at MIT because he publicly opposes DEI initiatives is appalling.

It’s not, actually. Research and science in general suffer enormously from the bias in science. Universities and labs are increasingly realize that science is stunted by the old boys club.

Please explain how Mr. Abbot's research in planetary science been affected by bias.

Does his research require him to publicly oppose DEI initiatives?

Try harder. Let me help you: how is the study of microscopic matter "biased" ? Explain how bias creeps into analysis of dust. And so on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow. These MAGAs are planning to trash UVA.

https://thejeffersoncouncil.com/year-end-uva-update-from-bert-ellis/

I’m so glad you posted this - if this is what you think of as “trashing,” there is really nothing to discuss. Everything he says is common sense, especially this:

“I just found copies of the 2021-2022 Peer Evaluation Forms and Process for University of Virginia professors. I have attached copies here and here. Please note the prominence of DEI issues within the evaluations. There is even a special appendix on DEI examples to use in the evaluation. It is readily apparent that no professor can possibly get a good evaluation and obtain tenure or even a raise in salary if he/she does not pledge total allegiance to DEI and can itemize a large number of DEI initiatives on his/her part. This should not have anything to do with teaching math, science, business or other social science courses. Every Dean or Department Head now has a DEI officer who has co-oversight on the peer review process.”

He is absolutely correct. I hope this DEI nonsense which has infected all aspects of college (and corporate) life is reined in. That you seem to want to see everything through the DEI lens only identifies exactly who you are.

Lies. DEI is one bullet point under a whole list of criteria for each section.

Sounds like the old, white professors are worried that they might need to enter the 21st century.

And there are tons of TRASH ideas:
>Spouting idiotic campaign propaganda about Youngkin "not brainwashing them with the Woke/CRT/DEI mantras".
>Pushing to replace the Board with MAGA losers to "reverse the path to Wokeness".
>Denigrating courses in race/gender as "courses that exist for no other purpose but to make a big deal about race and gender and other issues that can only create more oppressed parties trying to tear down anything and everything and everyone that helped create our University" - WTAF?

I'm appalled that this MAGA loser is on the board of UVA.

Speaking of losers... you seem to have issues. Deep issues. You've spammed this thread over and over with your unhinged rants... move along. Find a hobby.
DP

Sad. Can’t address any of the points I made so you resort to ad hominem attacks.

Fact: Ellis and Youngkin plan to trash UVA with their bigoted agenda.

Yes, there it is, that delicious angst! It's like you wallowed in your misery all night and rose to the day bitter and looking to denigrate any and all not in your miserable echo chamber. Hopefully it didn't ruin your $6.00 cup of Starbucks but looking forward to poking your miserable arse all day for pure amusement! Thanks in advance.

[Anonymous]

I think this is more of a generational divide than a political divide.

Older generations grew up during a time when the Government and their elders frequently tried to censor them. For them, freedom of expression became a core value.

Younger generations grew up during an era of the Internet and social media, and personally witnessed on-line harassment and hate speech. For them, freedom of expression is not an unmitigated good.

Partisans on both the left and the right now regularly try and ridicule and cancel each other. Older generations speak up for freedom of expression, but often still want to control the narrative, at least in the mainstream media.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think this is more of a generational divide than a political divide.

Older generations grew up during a time when the Government and their elders frequently tried to censor them. For them, freedom of expression became a core value.

Younger generations grew up during an era of the Internet and social media, and personally witnessed on-line harassment and hate speech. For them, freedom of expression is not an unmitigated good.

Partisans on both the left and the right now regularly try and ridicule and cancel each other. Older generations speak up for freedom of expression, but often still want to control the narrative, at least in the mainstream media.

That’s a really good observation.