The Left winning in Latin America

[Anonymous]

If anyone is curious on how little clout the US has in Central and South America, go no further than the just failed summit of the americas. After decades of abuse and violent meddling from the US and Europe these rising countries (with others in Africa, the Middle East, and Asia) are finally throwing off the shackles of western neocolonialism.

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Anonymous wrote:With Gustavo Petro winning in Colombia, it looks like the left is resurging in Latin America and maybe, just maybe, the US will keep its grubby hands out and just let things go as they may.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/06/20/petro-latin-america-left/

Following the failed coup in Bolivia to install a Christian Fascist, Bolivians promptly elected a Socialist instead.

Peru elected a Marxist over a dictator's daughter.

Colombia for the first time in modern history elected a leftist, when the other option was a Trump-style fascist.

And no matter how hard the US tries, nobody actually recognizes that Juan Guaido is president of Venezuela. You may not like Maduro, I'm no fan myself, but he is their president, not that other guy.

Now I am counting the days until Lula unseats that horrible Bolosonaro, one of the worst people in the world for the environment, and one whom the US right wing heartily endorsed.

Thankfully our focus on Ukraine will cause us to leave Latin America alone (sarcasm, sort of).

Socialism is a failed ideology and Venezuela and Cuba are perfect examples. I used to think the Bolivians were awesome because they shot Che Guvera in the face - literally.

S America needs another Pinochet otherwise S. America will be hu Geri we than it is now. At least Chile still has a high standard of living and hopefully keeps their program of giving communists free one-way helicopter scenic tours

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Anonymous wrote:Both Sweden and Norway also have a much flatter tax system than the US to pay for their generous social benefits. This is another thing the left in the US will never go along with. The poor and middle class don't have to pay their fair share.

The poor and middle class here have expenses that are socialized in Sweden. A middle class American paying for their own health insurance and saving for college would end up paying less in Sweden where their taxes are higher, but they don't need health insurance or college savings

That's fine, if the poor and middle class pay their fair share of taxes like they do in Sweden and Norway, I will support universal healthcare and free public college.

WTH? Why should the poor and middle class be paying taxes AT ALL?

Because they are part of the system and benefit from the protections and services that governments guarantee and provide.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:With Gustavo Petro winning in Colombia, it looks like the left is resurging in Latin America and maybe, just maybe, the US will keep its grubby hands out and just let things go as they may.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/06/20/petro-latin-america-left/

Following the failed coup in Bolivia to install a Christian Fascist, Bolivians promptly elected a Socialist instead.

Peru elected a Marxist over a dictator's daughter.

Colombia for the first time in modern history elected a leftist, when the other option was a Trump-style fascist.

And no matter how hard the US tries, nobody actually recognizes that Juan Guaido is president of Venezuela. You may not like Maduro, I'm no fan myself, but he is their president, not that other guy.

Now I am counting the days until Lula unseats that horrible Bolosonaro, one of the worst people in the world for the environment, and one whom the US right wing heartily endorsed.

Thankfully our focus on Ukraine will cause us to leave Latin America alone (sarcasm, sort of).

Socialism is a failed ideology and Venezuela and Cuba are perfect examples. I used to think the Bolivians were awesome because they shot Che Guvera in the face - literally.

S America needs another Pinochet otherwise S. America will be hu Geri we than it is now. At least Chile still has a high standard of living and hopefully keeps their program of giving communists free one-way helicopter scenic tours

Chile does not commit extra-judicial executions/disappearances anymore. It is disgusting that you romanticize such things and fantasize about government murdering thousands of their own civilians.

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Anonymous wrote:“The Left” will always win. Because we care about the workers and the people. They are the wellspring from which our power flows.

And we’re going to win here, too.

Exactly, we promise the world for votes but then don’t do anything but pay ourselves and friends.

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Anonymous wrote:If anyone is curious on how little clout the US has in Central and South America, go no further than the just failed summit of the americas. After decades of abuse and violent meddling from the US and Europe these rising countries (with others in Africa, the Middle East, and Asia) are finally throwing off the shackles of western neocolonialism.

Lol. Nice false narrative. But hey, you’ll still be blaming others in 5-10 years when things are really bad . But China will “help” you, for some trade offs of course…

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Anonymous wrote:And that's why Latin America is a mess and their people flood our borders. They want to escape the disasters they elect. Zero economies because they're decimated by high inflation and disasters of state run enterprises. Peruvians and Bolivians will have fun waiting in lines for days to get toilet paper like Venezuelans.

No, people “flooding our borders” are fleeing Central American dictatorships that were propped up by the US that turned out to be thugs and/or gave way into drug cartels. Fueled by our war on drugs, by the way. You might want to try reading books instead of watching Fox News.

Let's face it - leftist governments and propped up fascist governments have both been a disaster. Not even including communists b/c that's been a separate disaster altogether.

Look at all the Swedes and Dutch desperate to escape

It's really cute how much the left in the US holds countries like the Nordics on such a high pedestal. Sweden? Really? It's so obvious how ignorant you are of world history. Sweden actually DID enact much of the social programs and tax/economic policies that the left in the US thinks we should pursue. It led to decades of high unemployment, high inflation, and horrible economic growth. It was until the 90s that Sweden really improved after rejecting far left principles to pursue a moderate approach that actually embraced far more free market capitalist ideas. Liberals in the US would probably be shocked to learn that Sweden has NO inheritance taxes Sweden has NO wealth taxes:

https://sweden.se/life/society/taxes-in-sweden

That's completely opposite of what Dems like AOC and her faction of the Democrat party are calling for. Dems want the govt to confiscate wealth and make it difficult to pass wealth to your family. Funny how they say they want a Swedish model, then call for exactly opposite of what the Swedes do with respect to taxation.

Also, it's really funny, because the dirty secret of another Nordic like Norway is the fact that they fund massive amounts of their social spending programs through oil and fossil fuels. Norway has a sovereign wealth fund worth over $1T USD precisely because it invests in so much oil. How would something like fly with the current Democrat party that has kneecapped the country for producing oil? Democrats always say that they want a Nordic model, yet they know nothing about the history of Sweden and how it got their, Sweden's lack of taxes on wealth, and Norway's massive wealth derived from fossil fuels, which is a big no-no due to the push from Dems to pursue a green economy.

I should also add, Sweden has actually continued to lower corporate tax rates consistently over the years.....which is again, completely opposite of what politicians like Warren, AOC, Biden, etc. call for. Something make me believe you really wouldn't want to be like Sweden at all, because they're far too capitalist.

It’s 20% in Sweden. On paper in the US it’s 21%, but we all know that it’s basically 0%. So you would support corporations paying their fair share?

Also LOL at you assuming that everyone is as ignorant as you are about how Scan countries operate.

ahahhahaa...

angry dem mad sweden continually cuts corporate taxes....which blows up their entire narrative. The point is the direction Sweden is headed - the rate of change is continually negative for corporate taxes in Sweden, because they're not dumb and realize it is a competitive advantage. Complete and exact opposite of AOC/Warren/etc.

But they don’t have open borders and esol sanctuary cities like we do! So we’re winning that!

[Anonymous]

Some interesting comments, but let's all remember one thing: the US Mexico Border is SECURE.

Let's not give in to Racist Republican Talking Points about a border crisis.

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Anonymous wrote:And that's why Latin America is a mess and their people flood our borders. They want to escape the disasters they elect. Zero economies because they're decimated by high inflation and disasters of state run enterprises. Peruvians and Bolivians will have fun waiting in lines for days to get toilet paper like Venezuelans.

No, people “flooding our borders” are fleeing Central American dictatorships that were propped up by the US that turned out to be thugs and/or gave way into drug cartels. Fueled by our war on drugs, by the way. You might want to try reading books instead of watching Fox News.

Let's face it - leftist governments and propped up fascist governments have both been a disaster. Not even including communists b/c that's been a separate disaster altogether.

Look at all the Swedes and Dutch desperate to escape

It's really cute how much the left in the US holds countries like the Nordics on such a high pedestal. Sweden? Really? It's so obvious how ignorant you are of world history. Sweden actually DID enact much of the social programs and tax/economic policies that the left in the US thinks we should pursue. It led to decades of high unemployment, high inflation, and horrible economic growth. It was until the 90s that Sweden really improved after rejecting far left principles to pursue a moderate approach that actually embraced far more free market capitalist ideas. Liberals in the US would probably be shocked to learn that Sweden has NO inheritance taxes Sweden has NO wealth taxes:

https://sweden.se/life/society/taxes-in-sweden

That's completely opposite of what Dems like AOC and her faction of the Democrat party are calling for. Dems want the govt to confiscate wealth and make it difficult to pass wealth to your family. Funny how they say they want a Swedish model, then call for exactly opposite of what the Swedes do with respect to taxation.

Also, it's really funny, because the dirty secret of another Nordic like Norway is the fact that they fund massive amounts of their social spending programs through oil and fossil fuels. Norway has a sovereign wealth fund worth over $1T USD precisely because it invests in so much oil. How would something like fly with the current Democrat party that has kneecapped the country for producing oil? Democrats always say that they want a Nordic model, yet they know nothing about the history of Sweden and how it got their, Sweden's lack of taxes on wealth, and Norway's massive wealth derived from fossil fuels, which is a big no-no due to the push from Dems to pursue a green economy.

I should also add, Sweden has actually continued to lower corporate tax rates consistently over the years.....which is again, completely opposite of what politicians like Warren, AOC, Biden, etc. call for. Something make me believe you really wouldn't want to be like Sweden at all, because they're far too capitalist.

It’s 20% in Sweden. On paper in the US it’s 21%, but we all know that it’s basically 0%. So you would support corporations paying their fair share?

Also LOL at you assuming that everyone is as ignorant as you are about how Scan countries operate.

ahahhahaa...

angry dem mad sweden continually cuts corporate taxes....which blows up their entire narrative. The point is the direction Sweden is headed - the rate of change is continually negative for corporate taxes in Sweden, because they're not dumb and realize it is a competitive advantage. Complete and exact opposite of AOC/Warren/etc.

But they don’t have open borders and esol sanctuary cities like we do! So we’re winning that!

They also dont have half their student population 1-3 grade levels behind in math and reading.

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Anonymous wrote:And that's why Latin America is a mess and their people flood our borders. They want to escape the disasters they elect. Zero economies because they're decimated by high inflation and disasters of state run enterprises. Peruvians and Bolivians will have fun waiting in lines for days to get toilet paper like Venezuelans.

No, people “flooding our borders” are fleeing Central American dictatorships that were propped up by the US that turned out to be thugs and/or gave way into drug cartels. Fueled by our war on drugs, by the way. You might want to try reading books instead of watching Fox News.

Let's face it - leftist governments and propped up fascist governments have both been a disaster. Not even including communists b/c that's been a separate disaster altogether.

Look at all the Swedes and Dutch desperate to escape

It's really cute how much the left in the US holds countries like the Nordics on such a high pedestal. Sweden? Really? It's so obvious how ignorant you are of world history. Sweden actually DID enact much of the social programs and tax/economic policies that the left in the US thinks we should pursue. It led to decades of high unemployment, high inflation, and horrible economic growth. It was until the 90s that Sweden really improved after rejecting far left principles to pursue a moderate approach that actually embraced far more free market capitalist ideas. Liberals in the US would probably be shocked to learn that Sweden has NO inheritance taxes Sweden has NO wealth taxes:

https://sweden.se/life/society/taxes-in-sweden

That's completely opposite of what Dems like AOC and her faction of the Democrat party are calling for. Dems want the govt to confiscate wealth and make it difficult to pass wealth to your family. Funny how they say they want a Swedish model, then call for exactly opposite of what the Swedes do with respect to taxation.

Also, it's really funny, because the dirty secret of another Nordic like Norway is the fact that they fund massive amounts of their social spending programs through oil and fossil fuels. Norway has a sovereign wealth fund worth over $1T USD precisely because it invests in so much oil. How would something like fly with the current Democrat party that has kneecapped the country for producing oil? Democrats always say that they want a Nordic model, yet they know nothing about the history of Sweden and how it got their, Sweden's lack of taxes on wealth, and Norway's massive wealth derived from fossil fuels, which is a big no-no due to the push from Dems to pursue a green economy.

I should also add, Sweden has actually continued to lower corporate tax rates consistently over the years.....which is again, completely opposite of what politicians like Warren, AOC, Biden, etc. call for. Something make me believe you really wouldn't want to be like Sweden at all, because they're far too capitalist.

It’s 20% in Sweden. On paper in the US it’s 21%, but we all know that it’s basically 0%. So you would support corporations paying their fair share?

Also LOL at you assuming that everyone is as ignorant as you are about how Scan countries operate.

Oh yes, Peru, Bolivia, and Columbia are technical powerhouses in STEM that produce ground breaking technology for the entire world to use. Their students routinely win math and engineering competitions on the world stage, lol.


ahahhahaa...

angry dem mad sweden continually cuts corporate taxes....which blows up their entire narrative. The point is the direction Sweden is headed - the rate of change is continually negative for corporate taxes in Sweden, because they're not dumb and realize it is a competitive advantage. Complete and exact opposite of AOC/Warren/etc.

But they don’t have open borders and esol sanctuary cities like we do! So we’re winning that!

They also dont have half their student population 1-3 grade levels behind in math and reading.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Some interesting comments, but let's all remember one thing: the US Mexico Border is SECURE.

Let's not give in to Racist Republican Talking Points about a border crisis.

Is this satire?? Are you high?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:With Gustavo Petro winning in Colombia, it looks like the left is resurging in Latin America and maybe, just maybe, the US will keep its grubby hands out and just let things go as they may.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/06/20/petro-latin-america-left/

Following the failed coup in Bolivia to install a Christian Fascist, Bolivians promptly elected a Socialist instead.

Peru elected a Marxist over a dictator's daughter.

Colombia for the first time in modern history elected a leftist, when the other option was a Trump-style fascist.

And no matter how hard the US tries, nobody actually recognizes that Juan Guaido is president of Venezuela. You may not like Maduro, I'm no fan myself, but he is their president, not that other guy.

Now I am counting the days until Lula unseats that horrible Bolosonaro, one of the worst people in the world for the environment, and one whom the US right wing heartily endorsed.

Thankfully our focus on Ukraine will cause us to leave Latin America alone (sarcasm, sort of).

Good for them all. Latin America has suffered enough and I hope this brings progress for them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If anyone is curious on how little clout the US has in Central and South America, go no further than the just failed summit of the americas. After decades of abuse and violent meddling from the US and Europe these rising countries (with others in Africa, the Middle East, and Asia) are finally throwing off the shackles of western neocolonialism.

Lol. Nice false narrative. But hey, you’ll still be blaming others in 5-10 years when things are really bad . But China will “help” you, for some trade offs of course…

So naive! If you think our “help” comes without conditions, USAID, DoD, and the CIA would like a word.

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Anonymous wrote:If anyone is curious on how little clout the US has in Central and South America, go no further than the just failed summit of the americas. After decades of abuse and violent meddling from the US and Europe these rising countries (with others in Africa, the Middle East, and Asia) are finally throwing off the shackles of western neocolonialism.

Lol. Nice false narrative. But hey, you’ll still be blaming others in 5-10 years when things are really bad . But China will “help” you, for some trade offs of course…

So naive! If you think our “help” comes without conditions, USAID, DoD, and the CIA would like a word.

That’s the issue tho, left to their own devices everything gets worse and more dangerous. Then what? Obama sat out everything but Libya, which was totally unnecessary for USA. Meanwhile axis of evil countries went 500mph at their political and land agendas.

Most costly Nice-guy, throw-Israel-under-the-bus Nobel Peace Prize ever.

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Anonymous wrote:If anyone is curious on how little clout the US has in Central and South America, go no further than the just failed summit of the americas. After decades of abuse and violent meddling from the US and Europe these rising countries (with others in Africa, the Middle East, and Asia) are finally throwing off the shackles of western neocolonialism.

Lol. Nice false narrative. But hey, you’ll still be blaming others in 5-10 years when things are really bad . But China will “help” you, for some trade offs of course…

So naive! If you think our “help” comes without conditions, USAID, DoD, and the CIA would like a word.

That’s the issue tho, left to their own devices everything gets worse and more dangerous. Then what? Obama sat out everything but Libya, which was totally unnecessary for USA. Meanwhile axis of evil countries went 500mph at their political and land agendas.

Most costly Nice-guy, throw-Israel-under-the-bus Nobel Peace Prize ever.

Oh yes that bastion of human rights, Israel.