Why are conservatives creepy? OH legislature votes to require genital inspections for kids’ sports

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Legalizing the molestation of minors. Any DR that agrees to this is suspect.

There are 5 trans athletes in OH HS sports. Under this bill, which has a TX abortion style enforcement mechanism— anyone- parent, coach, looky-Lu trouble maker can request sex verification. Of tens of thousands of girls, because of 5 athletes. If some nasty parent on an opposing team questioned your 14 year old’s gender, would you take her for the exam— which by law requires digital penetration while pushing down on her pelvis to confirm internal sex organs? Because I would not.

Remember tranvaginal ultrasounds? And that was adult, or at least sexually active women.

Just as interesting, there is no suggestion we should be diddling with teenage boys’ peenises before they can play football.

So the GOP is basically mandating digital rape.

Gee, how do they get more women to vote for them.

Yes. But just for girl. No one is suggesting penile exams and digital anal exams for prostates, although trans status goes both ways.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Millions of girls compete in school sports, but the presence of a half dozen trans athletes means we have to go ballistic and immediately pass over-the-top, intrusive laws.

Meanwhile, little girls are being SHOT TO DEATH BY PSYCHOPATHS ARMED WITH AR-15s in their classrooms and you don't care and want to do absolutely nothing about how easy it is for these lunatics to get those guns.

Republicans are a sick joke.

Republicans, you've got to love them. Truly amazing.

[Anonymous]

I will vote D for the abortion issue but I really wish that liberals and democrats could expand from just abortion and birth control to think about girls and female athletes. Instead, when Rs put forward a solution, then there's no alternative solution put forward by Ds. Just hashtags.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Millions of girls compete in school sports, but the presence of a half dozen trans athletes means we have to go ballistic and immediately pass over-the-top, intrusive laws.

Meanwhile, little girls are being SHOT TO DEATH BY PSYCHOPATHS ARMED WITH AR-15s in their classrooms and you don't care and want to do absolutely nothing about how easy it is for these lunatics to get those guns.

Republicans are a sick joke.

Republicans, you've got to love them. Truly amazing.

No. You really don’t. Performing an unnecessary digital internal exam of my 13!!!! Year old (Sept birthday) so she can play Volleyball is a bridge too far.

The sick part is they will enjoy it voyeuristically, starting with Gym Jordan.

What is it will Rs and kids and sexual perversion?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Legalizing the molestation of minors. Any DR that agrees to this is suspect.

There are 5 trans athletes in OH HS sports. Under this bill, which has a TX abortion style enforcement mechanism— anyone- parent, coach, looky-Lu trouble maker can request sex verification. Of tens of thousands of girls, because of 5 athletes. If some nasty parent on an opposing team questioned your 14 year old’s gender, would you take her for the exam— which by law requires digital penetration while pushing down on her pelvis to confirm internal sex organs? Because I would not.

Remember tranvaginal ultrasounds? And that was adult, or at least sexually active women.

Just as interesting, there is no suggestion we should be diddling with teenage boys’ peenises before they can play football.

Sports physicals are the thing for all kids. So no, you are wrong about this. JFC

[Anonymous]

Trans boys (female-to-male) also exist and play boys sports. Will they require examination of them too?

What about female teens (gender and sex) who play on boys' HS teams? When I was in HS both my football and wrestling teams had biological girls on them because those sports were not offered to girls and there were a few girls who wanted to play.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Trans boys (female-to-male) also exist and play boys sports. Will they require examination of them too?

What about female teens (gender and sex) who play on boys' HS teams? When I was in HS both my football and wrestling teams had biological girls on them because those sports were not offered to girls and there were a few girls who wanted to play.

Did they use the same locker room or were they given a separate changing area? Do you consider that an important consideration? Did their families and the families of the other players?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Trans boys (female-to-male) also exist and play boys sports. Will they require examination of them too?

What about female teens (gender and sex) who play on boys' HS teams? When I was in HS both my football and wrestling teams had biological girls on them because those sports were not offered to girls and there were a few girls who wanted to play.

Did they use the same locker room or were they given a separate changing area? Do you consider that an important consideration? Did their families and the families of the other players?

They changed in the girls' locked room, which exists at every HS.

But under this OH law, conceivably they could be subject to a physical exam of their genitalia.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Trans boys (female-to-male) also exist and play boys sports. Will they require examination of them too?

What about female teens (gender and sex) who play on boys' HS teams? When I was in HS both my football and wrestling teams had biological girls on them because those sports were not offered to girls and there were a few girls who wanted to play.

Did they use the same locker room or were they given a separate changing area? Do you consider that an important consideration? Did their families and the families of the other players?

They changed in the girls' locked room, which exists at every HS.

But under this OH law, conceivably they could be subject to a physical exam of their genitalia.

I am not defending this law but I think that male athletes and female athletes and trans athletes deserve protection, including their own locker rooms. For everyone's protection.

When you were in school, the schools and families understood that and made sure that it happened. We should do no less.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Legalizing the molestation of minors. Any DR that agrees to this is suspect.

I hesitate to say this because I don’t want anyone to misconstrue my comment as support for this bill, but from what I could find online (weird that the actual bill isn’t quoted in this thread at all) it appears that the text of the bill states that if the sex of an athlete is questioned, there are 3 ways the athlete can prove their sex, and one of them is with a note from a doctor, stating their sex based on external observations. Your sex would be part of your medical records, so your doctor should be able to write such a note without having to perform any new exams.

This bill is problematic, but it doesn’t suggest that anyone other than one’s doctor should be examining one’s genitalia.

You are wrong. The bill requires an internal gyn. exam. On a child who may not have even entered puberty (my very thin daughter did menstrate because she is so thin. She is defiantly female— in sex, in gender. But she was too thin to make estrogen (below 5% BMI) and that would not have been an option. And how many parents can afford to do a full genetic sequence on their kid?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/petergreene/2022/06/03/ohio-legislators-want-to-check-childrens-gender/?sh=1e575f343ad0

Read and learn what they are doing to women at a time when eating disorders and other body image issues are rampant.

I’ll take the 5 trans athletes, thanks.

Would you mind citing the passage that you think makes an internal gynecological exam is required? It doesn’t read that way to me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I will vote D for the abortion issue but I really wish that liberals and democrats could expand from just abortion and birth control to think about girls and female athletes. Instead, when Rs put forward a solution, then there's no alternative solution put forward by Ds. Just hashtags.

Here’s a solution. Assume girls are girls and cut the crap if they have an original birth certificate listing gender as F. It’s a long con if an MD misgendering then in 2008 so they could have an advantage in sports. Why is anything more than a birth certificate needed. Or even school records showing registration in K or PK as a F?

Let the 5 kids in Ohio play if they are transitioning and their hormone levels are at a set place. That’s a call for endocrinologists, not politicians. At the high school level, err of the side of letting kids play— remembering there are 5 and not 5000, that the suicide rate for trans kids is off the charts and that one of the benefits of sports is community building and helping kids struggling with identity feel accepted.

At the college level, the NCAA should be making the call, not 50 individual states. And again, it should be medical, not political.

Digitally raping high school women is a solution in search of a problem.

I do think we are moving to third category, non-binary teams. I follow this because my kid is at Oberlin, and the have some non-binary club sports, like ultimate frisbee. No problems reported. I think non-binary LAX, Soccer, volleyball, soccer, softball will become more common. And people will see that, like gay marriage, it’s NBD.

I really admire the red state Governor who vetoed his red state legislature’s anti-trans sports bill— pointing out their state had *one* trans athlete in HS sports, and he wanted no part in a trans kid killing themselves because they couldn’t find a community in athletics. Good for him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Legalizing the molestation of minors. Any DR that agrees to this is suspect.

I hesitate to say this because I don’t want anyone to misconstrue my comment as support for this bill, but from what I could find online (weird that the actual bill isn’t quoted in this thread at all) it appears that the text of the bill states that if the sex of an athlete is questioned, there are 3 ways the athlete can prove their sex, and one of them is with a note from a doctor, stating their sex based on external observations. Your sex would be part of your medical records, so your doctor should be able to write such a note without having to perform any new exams.

This bill is problematic, but it doesn’t suggest that anyone other than one’s doctor should be examining one’s genitalia.

You are wrong. The bill requires an internal gyn. exam. On a child who may not have even entered puberty (my very thin daughter did menstrate because she is so thin. She is defiantly female— in sex, in gender. But she was too thin to make estrogen (below 5% BMI) and that would not have been an option. And how many parents can afford to do a full genetic sequence on their kid?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/petergreene/2022/06/03/ohio-legislators-want-to-check-childrens-gender/?sh=1e575f343ad0

Read and learn what they are doing to women at a time when eating disorders and other body image issues are rampant.

I’ll take the 5 trans athletes, thanks.

Would you mind citing the passage that you think makes an internal gynecological exam is required? It doesn’t read that way to me.

#1. Examination of a participant’s INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL reproductive anatomy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Trans boys (female-to-male) also exist and play boys sports. Will they require examination of them too?

What about female teens (gender and sex) who play on boys' HS teams? When I was in HS both my football and wrestling teams had biological girls on them because those sports were not offered to girls and there were a few girls who wanted to play.

Did they use the same locker room or were they given a separate changing area? Do you consider that an important consideration? Did their families and the families of the other players?

They changed in the girls' locked room, which exists at every HS.

But under this OH law, conceivably they could be subject to a physical exam of their genitalia.

I am not defending this law but I think that male athletes and female athletes and trans athletes deserve protection, including their own locker rooms. For everyone's protection.

When you were in school, the schools and families understood that and made sure that it happened. We should do no less.

When I was in school, there was zero awareness of trans kids. My Southern conservative school had a no kids who were out and gay— although several of my friends have since come out as gay. I feel terrible, because they were my friends, and that would not have changed. I wish they had felt they could open up to me. But I understand the silence. This was circa Matthew Shepard.

Now we are doing the same damn thing to trans kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Trans boys (female-to-male) also exist and play boys sports. Will they require examination of them too?

What about female teens (gender and sex) who play on boys' HS teams? When I was in HS both my football and wrestling teams had biological girls on them because those sports were not offered to girls and there were a few girls who wanted to play.

Did they use the same locker room or were they given a separate changing area? Do you consider that an important consideration? Did their families and the families of the other players?

They changed in the girls' locked room, which exists at every HS.

But under this OH law, conceivably they could be subject to a physical exam of their genitalia.

I am not defending this law but I think that male athletes and female athletes and trans athletes deserve protection, including their own locker rooms. For everyone's protection.

When you were in school, the schools and families understood that and made sure that it happened. We should do no less.

When I was in school, there was zero awareness of trans kids. My Southern conservative school had a no kids who were out and gay— although several of my friends have since come out as gay. I feel terrible, because they were my friends, and that would not have changed. I wish they had felt they could open up to me. But I understand the silence. This was circa Matthew Shepard.

Now we are doing the same damn thing to trans kids.

There are lots of trans kids. They should get their own transboy and transgirl changing rooms. Shouldn't they?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I will vote D for the abortion issue but I really wish that liberals and democrats could expand from just abortion and birth control to think about girls and female athletes. Instead, when Rs put forward a solution, then there's no alternative solution put forward by Ds. Just hashtags.

Here’s a solution. Assume girls are girls and cut the crap if they have an original birth certificate listing gender as F. It’s a long con if an MD misgendering then in 2008 so they could have an advantage in sports. Why is anything more than a birth certificate needed. Or even school records showing registration in K or PK as a F?

Let the 5 kids in Ohio play if they are transitioning and their hormone levels are at a set place. That’s a call for endocrinologists, not politicians. At the high school level, err of the side of letting kids play— remembering there are 5 and not 5000, that the suicide rate for trans kids is off the charts and that one of the benefits of sports is community building and helping kids struggling with identity feel accepted.

At the college level, the NCAA should be making the call, not 50 individual states. And again, it should be medical, not political.

Digitally raping high school women is a solution in search of a problem.

I do think we are moving to third category, non-binary teams. I follow this because my kid is at Oberlin, and the have some non-binary club sports, like ultimate frisbee. No problems reported. I think non-binary LAX, Soccer, volleyball, soccer, softball will become more common. And people will see that, like gay marriage, it’s NBD.

I really admire the red state Governor who vetoed his red state legislature’s anti-trans sports bill— pointing out their state had *one* trans athlete in HS sports, and he wanted no part in a trans kid killing themselves because they couldn’t find a community in athletics. Good for him.

Your whole post is far too sensible to be read and appreciated by the transphobes who pretend to care about women.

But the sentence of yours I bolded: I think it’s actually a big tell about the GOP. They don’t care about trans athletes; they think women and girls are their sexual playthings and their hideous version of sexuality is largely about non-consensual acts. They are willing to codify rape into law for their own gratification.