Vaccine for Covid clause in preschool contract

Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:The CDC should really start their recommendations by saying - no mandates allowed until we have enough data to fully approve these vaccines.


It’s a private preschool. They can make any rule they want. No Nike sneakers. Only striped socks on Fridays. Attending their school is not a fundamental right.


Yeah you should take gov 101 again. Nothing is stopping the government - local state or fed - from saying private businesses can’t discriminate based on medical decisions of a not-fully-authorized drug. And as PP said, if CDC made this their guidance, most governments would.


The CDC doesn’t make laws, they issue guidance.



and they should say our guidance is a recommendation and should not be made a requirement for anyone until further data is available.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:I mean…there’s no vaccine for that age group sooooo


It’s coming. Moderna is set to apply for EUA within a week or so.


You know Moderna applied for EUA for kids 12-17 last year and FDA still hasn't acted on it, don't you? What makes you so sure FDA will act on <5 when the vaccine still isn't authorized for older kids?


It is authorized- it’s right there in “EUA”.


It is only authorized for 18 and up. FDA hasn't acted on the EUA for <18 due to myocarditis concerns.


Emergency Use Authorization is authorization.


Right- and FDA has not authorized Moderna's vaccine for minors under emergency use authorization. Only Pfizer’s vaccine is authorized for minors.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I mean…there’s no vaccine for that age group sooooo


It’s coming. Moderna is set to apply for EUA within a week or so.


You know Moderna applied for EUA for kids 12-17 last year and FDA still hasn't acted on it, don't you? What makes you so sure FDA will act on <5 when the vaccine still isn't authorized for older kids?


It is authorized- it’s right there in “EUA”.


It is only authorized for 18 and up. FDA hasn't acted on the EUA for <18 due to myocarditis concerns.


Emergency Use Authorization is authorization.


Right- and FDA has not authorized Moderna's vaccine for minors under emergency use authorization. Only Pfizer’s vaccine is authorized for minors.


It is funny (or sad/horrifying?) that in COVID obsessed DC people don’t know this…
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The CDC should really start their recommendations by saying - no mandates allowed until we have enough data to fully approve these vaccines.


It’s a private preschool. They can make any rule they want. No Nike sneakers. Only striped socks on Fridays. Attending their school is not a fundamental right.


Yeah you should take gov 101 again. Nothing is stopping the government - local state or fed - from saying private businesses can’t discriminate based on medical decisions of a not-fully-authorized drug. And as PP said, if CDC made this their guidance, most governments would.


The CDC doesn’t make laws, they issue guidance.



and they should say our guidance is a recommendation and should not be made a requirement for anyone until further data is available.


??? They don’t have the authority to dictate to private businesses how their guidance should be used. Sounds like you need a different preschool if you don’t like the rules at this one. Or a nanny.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I mean…there’s no vaccine for that age group sooooo


It’s coming. Moderna is set to apply for EUA within a week or so.


You know Moderna applied for EUA for kids 12-17 last year and FDA still hasn't acted on it, don't you? What makes you so sure FDA will act on <5 when the vaccine still isn't authorized for older kids?


It is authorized- it’s right there in “EUA”.


It is only authorized for 18 and up. FDA hasn't acted on the EUA for <18 due to myocarditis concerns.


Emergency Use Authorization is authorization.


Right- and FDA has not authorized Moderna's vaccine for minors under emergency use authorization. Only Pfizer’s vaccine is authorized for minors.


It is funny (or sad/horrifying?) that in COVID obsessed DC people don’t know this…


They’re ignorant of the covid risks- why wouldn’t they be ignorant of vaccine availability?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Our school for preschool has a clause in the contract for the covid vax. Essentially states that if you are eligible for a vaccine you must have it before the 2022 school year. This includes emergency authorization and FDA approved covid vaccines.


Anyone else seeing this? This is a private preschool on the hill.


Same. It’s already in place for the older prek kids who turned five.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The CDC should really start their recommendations by saying - no mandates allowed until we have enough data to fully approve these vaccines.


It’s a private preschool. They can make any rule they want. No Nike sneakers. Only striped socks on Fridays. Attending their school is not a fundamental right.


What does that have to do with it being dumb and ill advised?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Our school for preschool has a clause in the contract for the covid vax. Essentially states that if you are eligible for a vaccine you must have it before the 2022 school year. This includes emergency authorization and FDA approved covid vaccines.


Anyone else seeing this? This is a private preschool on the hill.


Same. It’s already in place for the older prek kids who turned five.


If schools are not requiring it then why would preschools? That is a bridge too far.

"But the rate of COVID-vaccine-induced myocarditis doesn’t tell us that much on its own. “The question is, how severe is myocarditis?” says Daniel Salmon, who directs the Johns Hopkins Institute for Vaccine Safety. We still don’t really know. According to the CDC, most patients with post-vaccine myocarditis “felt better quickly,” and “can usually return to their normal daily activities after their symptoms improve.” But no one can say yet whether a bout of vaccine-induced myocarditis now would harm someone’s health in a year, or 10 years, or 50. Salmon told me he wouldn’t support a kids’ mandate until researchers are able to rigorously follow kids who get myocarditis for a year or two, and find no related serious health problems.
Waiting a year or two would also give regulators a chance to see how Americans learn to live with SARS-CoV-2 as an endemic virus, which has its own implications for any potential mandates. Lainie Ross, a pediatrician and bioethicist at the University of Chicago, told me that right now, “what makes this disease unique is that everybody is sort of a virgin” to the virus that causes it. If it doesn’t continue to transform into new and more dangerous variants, and if the vaccines (or natural immunity left by previous infections) remain protective against it, then COVID-19 will likely start to resemble measles or chicken pox: It will become a childhood disease, because every living adult will already have been exposed. That makes the case for childhood mandates much easier.

But if, as some experts (and pharmaceutical-company CEOs) have predicted, the virus changes so much that we’ll need to get a new shot once or twice a year, mandates for schoolchildren would suddenly get a lot more complicated. Most schools track routine vaccinations at particular entry points, like enrollment in kindergarten or middle school, says Seema Mohapatra, a visiting law professor at Southern Methodist University, and they have practiced systems for doing so.

Should the COVID vaccine become an annual shot, “that’s a whole different story,” she told me. The paperwork, she said, would be a nightmare.


Consider the flu vaccine. During the 2019–20 season, 112 children ages 5 to 17 died of flu, yet no state mandates annual flu shots for K–12 students. (Massachusetts announced a mandate in August 2020, then dropped it in January after the flu season turned out to be mild.) In contrast, an average of three children and teens a year died of Hepatitis A in the five years before the two-doses-and-that’s-it vaccine for that disease was licensed. Yet Hepatitis A vaccines are mandatory in grade schools in one-third of states. True, the Hepatitis A vaccine is significantly more effective than the annual flu shot, but the flu arguably presents a much more formidable danger to kids."

If the preschool isnt mandating flu vaccines then they are talking out their butts.
Anonymous
The school in question is The Hill Preschool. I assume the board came up with this plan.
Anonymous
Yes. Ours is a preschool through sixth grade school and it’s been mandated for anyone I’ve five already. All complied. With the preschool we’ll get three months from approval and distribution to get the little kids vaccinated.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The CDC should really start their recommendations by saying - no mandates allowed until we have enough data to fully approve these vaccines.


It’s a private preschool. They can make any rule they want. No Nike sneakers. Only striped socks on Fridays. Attending their school is not a fundamental right.


Yeah you should take gov 101 again. Nothing is stopping the government - local state or fed - from saying private businesses can’t discriminate based on medical decisions of a not-fully-authorized drug. And as PP said, if CDC made this their guidance, most governments would.


The CDC doesn’t make laws, they issue guidance.



and they should say our guidance is a recommendation and should not be made a requirement for anyone until further data is available.


??? They don’t have the authority to dictate to private businesses how their guidance should be used. Sounds like you need a different preschool if you don’t like the rules at this one. Or a nanny.


I don’t have a preschooler. I’m speaking to vaccine requirements generally which I think are weakening trust in our public health agencies.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The CDC should really start their recommendations by saying - no mandates allowed until we have enough data to fully approve these vaccines.


It’s a private preschool. They can make any rule they want. No Nike sneakers. Only striped socks on Fridays. Attending their school is not a fundamental right.


What does that have to do with it being dumb and ill advised?


And I think mandating medical products should be monitored and actually not allowed without excellent data even in private places.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I mean…there’s no vaccine for that age group sooooo


It’s coming. Moderna is set to apply for EUA within a week or so.


You know Moderna applied for EUA for kids 12-17 last year and FDA still hasn't acted on it, don't you? What makes you so sure FDA will act on <5 when the vaccine still isn't authorized for older kids?


+1. I actually dont have a lot of confidence that we’ll see an EUA for this age group anytime soon.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Our school for preschool has a clause in the contract for the covid vax. Essentially states that if you are eligible for a vaccine you must have it before the 2022 school year. This includes emergency authorization and FDA approved covid vaccines.


Anyone else seeing this? This is a private preschool on the hill.


Same. It’s already in place for the older prek kids who turned five.


If schools are not requiring it then why would preschools? That is a bridge too far.



Many PRIVATE schools ARE requiring it. And this is a PRIVATE preschool.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Yes. Ours is a preschool through sixth grade school and it’s been mandated for anyone I’ve five already. All complied. With the preschool we’ll get three months from approval and distribution to get the little kids vaccinated.


It’s funny they already came up with a timeline when we don’t even know what the schedule will look like for the under 5s. If it ends up being 3 shots, each spaced several weeks apart, 3 months is not that long to comply actually.

I don’t have a problem with the vaccine being required once fully authorized. I don’t think it’s a good idea when under EUA and I think the public s hook systems recognize this. FWIW I did get my 5yo vaccinated already and likely will do the same for my 3yo but it’s EUA for a reason- not enough data to fully authorize yet.
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