To teachers and parents: Have the kids gotten better?

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Anonymous wrote:Things have gotten worse at my school. Kids have gotten comfortable and spring is here. That means, there has been an uptick in outrageous behaviors. Today, I had to half drag a kindergarten student upstairs to the office because he started hitting/hicking us. This afternoon, the entire downstairs at my school had to listen to screaming from a pre-k kid who has been running laps around the school for the last few weeks. I also have a student who eats everything and anything under the sun. Thankfully her classmates tell me when this happens so I can fish it out of her mouth (today it was a twist tie and a cap eraser). My student with the huge behavior issues was absent today so it was a pretty calm day.

I've heard awful stories from the middle school. The admin is always busy with them so they rarely have time to help us out. We are exhausted and we still have two weeks left before spring break. Teachers call in sick so much due to the stress and exhaustion and there are no subs (who can blame them with these behavior issues?) And our school isn't even that bad compared to others I've heard about.

Parents need to be called to pick up their kids or to sit with them in class if they cannot behave.

So they should just leave work every day to come to school? How realistic is that?

Perhaps that will motivate them to actually parent their out of control kids and/or get them psychiatrist help so that they won’t have to keep missing work. Shrug.

Wow you really hit the low end of DCUM. Shrug.

Gross.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Things have gotten worse at my school. Kids have gotten comfortable and spring is here. That means, there has been an uptick in outrageous behaviors. Today, I had to half drag a kindergarten student upstairs to the office because he started hitting/hicking us. This afternoon, the entire downstairs at my school had to listen to screaming from a pre-k kid who has been running laps around the school for the last few weeks. I also have a student who eats everything and anything under the sun. Thankfully her classmates tell me when this happens so I can fish it out of her mouth (today it was a twist tie and a cap eraser). My student with the huge behavior issues was absent today so it was a pretty calm day.

I've heard awful stories from the middle school. The admin is always busy with them so they rarely have time to help us out. We are exhausted and we still have two weeks left before spring break. Teachers call in sick so much due to the stress and exhaustion and there are no subs (who can blame them with these behavior issues?) And our school isn't even that bad compared to others I've heard about.

Parents need to be called to pick up their kids or to sit with them in class if they cannot behave.

So they should just leave work every day to come to school? How realistic is that?

Perhaps that will motivate them to actually parent their out of control kids and/or get them psychiatrist help so that they won’t have to keep missing work. Shrug.

Wow you really hit the low end of DCUM. Shrug.

Gross.

Sadly, this is exactly what I saw when I lived in the DMV. Parents who didn't want to parent their own kids. That is the source of the problem.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Things have gotten worse at my school. Kids have gotten comfortable and spring is here. That means, there has been an uptick in outrageous behaviors. Today, I had to half drag a kindergarten student upstairs to the office because he started hitting/hicking us. This afternoon, the entire downstairs at my school had to listen to screaming from a pre-k kid who has been running laps around the school for the last few weeks. I also have a student who eats everything and anything under the sun. Thankfully her classmates tell me when this happens so I can fish it out of her mouth (today it was a twist tie and a cap eraser). My student with the huge behavior issues was absent today so it was a pretty calm day.

I've heard awful stories from the middle school. The admin is always busy with them so they rarely have time to help us out. We are exhausted and we still have two weeks left before spring break. Teachers call in sick so much due to the stress and exhaustion and there are no subs (who can blame them with these behavior issues?) And our school isn't even that bad compared to others I've heard about.

Parents need to be called to pick up their kids or to sit with them in class if they cannot behave.

So they should just leave work every day to come to school? How realistic is that?

Perhaps that will motivate them to actually parent their out of control kids and/or get them psychiatrist help so that they won’t have to keep missing work. Shrug.

Wow you really hit the low end of DCUM. Shrug.

Gross.

Sadly, this is exactly what I saw when I lived in the DMV. Parents who didn't want to parent their own kids. That is the source of the problem.

There are also a lot of parents unable to parent their children.

For those who do t agree that parents are a HUGE part of the problem, why is there such a discrepancy in behavioral issues in high ses schools vs low ses schools?

[Anonymous]

Middle school psychologist

NO

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Things have gotten worse at my school. Kids have gotten comfortable and spring is here. That means, there has been an uptick in outrageous behaviors. Today, I had to half drag a kindergarten student upstairs to the office because he started hitting/hicking us. This afternoon, the entire downstairs at my school had to listen to screaming from a pre-k kid who has been running laps around the school for the last few weeks. I also have a student who eats everything and anything under the sun. Thankfully her classmates tell me when this happens so I can fish it out of her mouth (today it was a twist tie and a cap eraser). My student with the huge behavior issues was absent today so it was a pretty calm day.

I've heard awful stories from the middle school. The admin is always busy with them so they rarely have time to help us out. We are exhausted and we still have two weeks left before spring break. Teachers call in sick so much due to the stress and exhaustion and there are no subs (who can blame them with these behavior issues?) And our school isn't even that bad compared to others I've heard about.

Parents need to be called to pick up their kids or to sit with them in class if they cannot behave.

So they should just leave work every day to come to school? How realistic is that?

Perhaps that will motivate them to actually parent their out of control kids and/or get them psychiatrist help so that they won’t have to keep missing work. Shrug.

Wow you really hit the low end of DCUM. Shrug.

Gross.

Its gross to do nothing and just send your kids to school pretending its nothing. Some kids have real mental health issues and the schools should focus on helping them. Not the made up mental health issues that parents use to handle their kids poor behavior.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Things have gotten worse at my school. Kids have gotten comfortable and spring is here. That means, there has been an uptick in outrageous behaviors. Today, I had to half drag a kindergarten student upstairs to the office because he started hitting/hicking us. This afternoon, the entire downstairs at my school had to listen to screaming from a pre-k kid who has been running laps around the school for the last few weeks. I also have a student who eats everything and anything under the sun. Thankfully her classmates tell me when this happens so I can fish it out of her mouth (today it was a twist tie and a cap eraser). My student with the huge behavior issues was absent today so it was a pretty calm day.

I've heard awful stories from the middle school. The admin is always busy with them so they rarely have time to help us out. We are exhausted and we still have two weeks left before spring break. Teachers call in sick so much due to the stress and exhaustion and there are no subs (who can blame them with these behavior issues?) And our school isn't even that bad compared to others I've heard about.

Parents need to be called to pick up their kids or to sit with them in class if they cannot behave.

So they should just leave work every day to come to school? How realistic is that?

Perhaps that will motivate them to actually parent their out of control kids and/or get them psychiatrist help so that they won’t have to keep missing work. Shrug.

Wow you really hit the low end of DCUM. Shrug.

Gross.

Sadly, this is exactly what I saw when I lived in the DMV. Parents who didn't want to parent their own kids. That is the source of the problem.

There are also a lot of parents unable to parent their children.

For those who do t agree that parents are a HUGE part of the problem, why is there such a discrepancy in behavioral issues in high ses schools vs low ses schools?

I don't think there is but with rich parents, they can hire attorneys and get things dismissed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:High school should be optional. Read The Case Against Education.

HS Teacher - I think we need options. I like what much of Europe does, with the option to do a vocational school for high school instead of college prep. I have so many kids telling me that their dream is to go work on a cattle ranch, decorate cakes, or open a construction business, so reading Shakespeare and stumbling through precalculus aren't helping them achieve that. I wish we had more options for kids to do apprenticeships in high school.

I am very fortunate, I teach in an upper middle class school and we didn't have the behavior problems my colleagues at lower income schools are struggling with. My kids have been pretty good all year. They're starting to fade now, but that always happens in the spring. March is a long month. Our biggest issue is kids taking hall passes and wandering the building for 30 minutes at a time, but that's not that unusual.

PP here. I’m from PA and schools still bus kids to the regional “magnet” vocational school for grades 10-12 if they choose to apply in 9th. I believe they can apply in 10th, too. There’s cosmetology, welding, computer security, woodworking, and others I’m forgetting. They get the certifications you’d need for those professions while they’re in high school. They go to the Vo-tech for half-days, 5 days a week. Multiple school districts send their Vo-tech kids to the same building.

We have that here too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Things have gotten worse at my school. Kids have gotten comfortable and spring is here. That means, there has been an uptick in outrageous behaviors. Today, I had to half drag a kindergarten student upstairs to the office because he started hitting/hicking us. This afternoon, the entire downstairs at my school had to listen to screaming from a pre-k kid who has been running laps around the school for the last few weeks. I also have a student who eats everything and anything under the sun. Thankfully her classmates tell me when this happens so I can fish it out of her mouth (today it was a twist tie and a cap eraser). My student with the huge behavior issues was absent today so it was a pretty calm day.

I've heard awful stories from the middle school. The admin is always busy with them so they rarely have time to help us out. We are exhausted and we still have two weeks left before spring break. Teachers call in sick so much due to the stress and exhaustion and there are no subs (who can blame them with these behavior issues?) And our school isn't even that bad compared to others I've heard about.

Parents need to be called to pick up their kids or to sit with them in class if they cannot behave.

So they should just leave work every day to come to school? How realistic is that?

Then, maybe they will have consequences at home and handle the situation. Otherwise expel these kids.

[Anonymous]

No. There are so many kids who literally do not listen. Kids are talking back to adults all over the school building, saying, "I don't have to listen to you." Parents don't want to come to meetings to discuss their children's issues. There are so many excuses being made for the kids, about the pandemic and hybrid school last year. The idea that school can simultaneously tolerate a huge amount of disruption while making sure students are "catching up" academically is ludicrous. Standards should be high in order for kids to catch up, not lower. That is obvious. Behavior, ability to attend, and motivation are HUGE parts of learning.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Things have gotten worse at my school. Kids have gotten comfortable and spring is here. That means, there has been an uptick in outrageous behaviors. Today, I had to half drag a kindergarten student upstairs to the office because he started hitting/hicking us. This afternoon, the entire downstairs at my school had to listen to screaming from a pre-k kid who has been running laps around the school for the last few weeks. I also have a student who eats everything and anything under the sun. Thankfully her classmates tell me when this happens so I can fish it out of her mouth (today it was a twist tie and a cap eraser). My student with the huge behavior issues was absent today so it was a pretty calm day.

I've heard awful stories from the middle school. The admin is always busy with them so they rarely have time to help us out. We are exhausted and we still have two weeks left before spring break. Teachers call in sick so much due to the stress and exhaustion and there are no subs (who can blame them with these behavior issues?) And our school isn't even that bad compared to others I've heard about.

Parents need to be called to pick up their kids or to sit with them in class if they cannot behave.

So they should just leave work every day to come to school? How realistic is that?

Perhaps that will motivate them to actually parent their out of control kids and/or get them psychiatrist help so that they won’t have to keep missing work. Shrug.

Wow you really hit the low end of DCUM. Shrug.

Gross.

Sadly, this is exactly what I saw when I lived in the DMV. Parents who didn't want to parent their own kids. That is the source of the problem.

There are also a lot of parents unable to parent their children.

For those who do t agree that parents are a HUGE part of the problem, why is there such a discrepancy in behavioral issues in high ses schools vs low ses schools?

I work in an out of school time program for low income high school program and we also run a summer program (basically summer school but a little more fun). The students we work with have had a lot of people in their lives die. A LOT. Some parents, more grandparents and other relatives. They were stuck in crowded homes for a year or so. A pandemic isn't as fun when you share a bedroom with 3 other people and share a bathroom with 8 other people. Just extreme financial distress. Many of our students became either primary wage earners in their families, so they would log into virtual school, turn their camera off and go work a shift at RiteAid. A few of them were working in nursing homes or hospitals and saw a lot of people die. Some basically took on full care for siblings and cousins if their parents were working.

We don't really see bad behavior because we keep caseloads low and there is always someone around to really check in if a student is struggling. So for us it isn't, "You have your phone out AGAIN so you get detention." It's "you seem really checked out and i'm not used to you acting this way, you want to talk about what's going on?" We do see students who can be less engaged, more anxious, depressed, struggling with completing tasks, although we also have a bunch who are really on it. I've seen this a lot in low-income schools that kids are just expected to bounce back and not show emotion. Oh, your uncle got shot Saturday. So sorry, take a seat and do your work. COVID is similar, a good percentage of kids have really been through it. You watch 50 people die in a nurshing home over the course of 6 months, or you are home alone with your younger siblings while all of the older generation is in the hospital with COVID-that is going to mess a kid up. It absolutely makes sense that they are acting out and it absolutely makes sense that educators who are burned out from their own stuff and not getting extra support and resources are struggling to deal with them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No. There are so many kids who literally do not listen. Kids are talking back to adults all over the school building, saying, "I don't have to listen to you." Parents don't want to come to meetings to discuss their children's issues. There are so many excuses being made for the kids, about the pandemic and hybrid school last year. The idea that school can simultaneously tolerate a huge amount of disruption while making sure students are "catching up" academically is ludicrous. Standards should be high in order for kids to catch up, not lower. That is obvious. Behavior, ability to attend, and motivation are HUGE parts of learning.

I agree that it's not realistic to think that teachers can both support kids emotionally and have them see higher than usual academic gains. I think for many kids, the latter is just not possible right now. Schools would do well to just focus on social/emotional for a few months and then once students are in a good place, focus on academics. That model actually works, but districts are so test driven that they are asking teachers and students to do something that isn't possible right now.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Things have gotten worse at my school. Kids have gotten comfortable and spring is here. That means, there has been an uptick in outrageous behaviors. Today, I had to half drag a kindergarten student upstairs to the office because he started hitting/hicking us. This afternoon, the entire downstairs at my school had to listen to screaming from a pre-k kid who has been running laps around the school for the last few weeks. I also have a student who eats everything and anything under the sun. Thankfully her classmates tell me when this happens so I can fish it out of her mouth (today it was a twist tie and a cap eraser). My student with the huge behavior issues was absent today so it was a pretty calm day.

I've heard awful stories from the middle school. The admin is always busy with them so they rarely have time to help us out. We are exhausted and we still have two weeks left before spring break. Teachers call in sick so much due to the stress and exhaustion and there are no subs (who can blame them with these behavior issues?) And our school isn't even that bad compared to others I've heard about.

Parents need to be called to pick up their kids or to sit with them in class if they cannot behave.

So they should just leave work every day to come to school? How realistic is that?

Perhaps that will motivate them to actually parent their out of control kids and/or get them psychiatrist help so that they won’t have to keep missing work. Shrug.

Wow you really hit the low end of DCUM. Shrug.

Gross.

Its gross to do nothing and just send your kids to school pretending its nothing. Some kids have real mental health issues and the schools should focus on helping them. Not the made up mental health issues that parents use to handle their kids poor behavior.

No. That is not a school's job. That is a parent's job. Do your job, parent. Get help for your kids. Schools should focus on teaching and learning. Parents are supposed to focus on everything else. Stop making schools responsible for doing something for your kid because of your inability to do your job as a parent.

I am a parent writing this.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Things have gotten worse at my school. Kids have gotten comfortable and spring is here. That means, there has been an uptick in outrageous behaviors. Today, I had to half drag a kindergarten student upstairs to the office because he started hitting/hicking us. This afternoon, the entire downstairs at my school had to listen to screaming from a pre-k kid who has been running laps around the school for the last few weeks. I also have a student who eats everything and anything under the sun. Thankfully her classmates tell me when this happens so I can fish it out of her mouth (today it was a twist tie and a cap eraser). My student with the huge behavior issues was absent today so it was a pretty calm day.

I've heard awful stories from the middle school. The admin is always busy with them so they rarely have time to help us out. We are exhausted and we still have two weeks left before spring break. Teachers call in sick so much due to the stress and exhaustion and there are no subs (who can blame them with these behavior issues?) And our school isn't even that bad compared to others I've heard about.

Parents need to be called to pick up their kids or to sit with them in class if they cannot behave.

So they should just leave work every day to come to school? How realistic is that?

Perhaps that will motivate them to actually parent their out of control kids and/or get them psychiatrist help so that they won’t have to keep missing work. Shrug.

Wow you really hit the low end of DCUM. Shrug.

Gross.

Its gross to do nothing and just send your kids to school pretending its nothing. Some kids have real mental health issues and the schools should focus on helping them. Not the made up mental health issues that parents use to handle their kids poor behavior.

No. That is not a school's job. That is a parent's job. Do your job, parent. Get help for your kids. Schools should focus on teaching and learning. Parents are supposed to focus on everything else. Stop making schools responsible for doing something for your kid because of your inability to do your job as a parent.

I am a parent writing this.

Well current federal law disagrees with you, but I guess you could take it up with your senator and rep.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Things have gotten worse at my school. Kids have gotten comfortable and spring is here. That means, there has been an uptick in outrageous behaviors. Today, I had to half drag a kindergarten student upstairs to the office because he started hitting/hicking us. This afternoon, the entire downstairs at my school had to listen to screaming from a pre-k kid who has been running laps around the school for the last few weeks. I also have a student who eats everything and anything under the sun. Thankfully her classmates tell me when this happens so I can fish it out of her mouth (today it was a twist tie and a cap eraser). My student with the huge behavior issues was absent today so it was a pretty calm day.

I've heard awful stories from the middle school. The admin is always busy with them so they rarely have time to help us out. We are exhausted and we still have two weeks left before spring break. Teachers call in sick so much due to the stress and exhaustion and there are no subs (who can blame them with these behavior issues?) And our school isn't even that bad compared to others I've heard about.

Parents need to be called to pick up their kids or to sit with them in class if they cannot behave.

So they should just leave work every day to come to school? How realistic is that?

Perhaps that will motivate them to actually parent their out of control kids and/or get them psychiatrist help so that they won’t have to keep missing work. Shrug.

Wow you really hit the low end of DCUM. Shrug.

Gross.

Its gross to do nothing and just send your kids to school pretending its nothing. Some kids have real mental health issues and the schools should focus on helping them. Not the made up mental health issues that parents use to handle their kids poor behavior.

No. That is not a school's job. That is a parent's job. Do your job, parent. Get help for your kids. Schools should focus on teaching and learning. Parents are supposed to focus on everything else. Stop making schools responsible for doing something for your kid because of your inability to do your job as a parent.

I am a parent writing this.

Well current federal law disagrees with you, but I guess you could take it up with your senator and rep.

And this is the issue. Schools no longer are supposed to focus on educating youth. They now need to provide all food, provide all mental health services, provide stability, and maybe throw in some education when there is time. Teachers are not trained to do all of this and are leaving at a fast rate and fewer and fewer are going into education. What is going to happen when nobody will do the job? Will it eventually return to parents?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:ES Admin in a Title 1: Kids are fine behaviorally and academically. The district on the other hand has no interest in anything but testing, testing, and more testing which is burning out students & teachers alike

This must be APS.

100% MCPS ...or maybe all of them