To teachers and parents: Have the kids gotten better?

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To the bootstrap poster who wants to take us back to the 1920s. Do you get what happens to our economy if the only students who get a high school diploma are the well behaved academic achievers with no disabilities? We have a significant need for more workers with at least some college.

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She's just one poster who posts continuously with the need to shame any parent that has dared struggle. There's really something missing in her psychology. I think empathy. It might be a disorder, though.

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Anonymous wrote:Things have gotten worse at my school. Kids have gotten comfortable and spring is here. That means, there has been an uptick in outrageous behaviors. Today, I had to half drag a kindergarten student upstairs to the office because he started hitting/hicking us. This afternoon, the entire downstairs at my school had to listen to screaming from a pre-k kid who has been running laps around the school for the last few weeks. I also have a student who eats everything and anything under the sun. Thankfully her classmates tell me when this happens so I can fish it out of her mouth (today it was a twist tie and a cap eraser). My student with the huge behavior issues was absent today so it was a pretty calm day.

I've heard awful stories from the middle school. The admin is always busy with them so they rarely have time to help us out. We are exhausted and we still have two weeks left before spring break. Teachers call in sick so much due to the stress and exhaustion and there are no subs (who can blame them with these behavior issues?) And our school isn't even that bad compared to others I've heard about.

Parents need to be called to pick up their kids or to sit with them in class if they cannot behave.

So they should just leave work every day to come to school? How realistic is that?

Perhaps that will motivate them to actually parent their out of control kids and/or get them psychiatrist help so that they won’t have to keep missing work. Shrug.

Wow you really hit the low end of DCUM. Shrug.

Gross.

Its gross to do nothing and just send your kids to school pretending its nothing. Some kids have real mental health issues and the schools should focus on helping them. Not the made up mental health issues that parents use to handle their kids poor behavior.

No. That is not a school's job. That is a parent's job. Do your job, parent. Get help for your kids. Schools should focus on teaching and learning. Parents are supposed to focus on everything else. Stop making schools responsible for doing something for your kid because of your inability to do your job as a parent.

I am a parent writing this.

There are huge barriers to accessing mental health services for kids right now. We tried for months to get a therapist for my child. Almost none were taking new patients or insurance. Each place we contacted referred us somewhere else and those places were booked too. The need is huge but availability is low. Hence why schools were supposed to get funding to hire more child psychologists and counselors because there is so much demand.

I have a friend whose son boarded in the ER for a month because there were no peds in-patient psych beds available.

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Anonymous wrote:Teacher here.

Nothing has gotten better.

Kids are still well below grade level. Kids do not know how to socialize. Kids do not know how to behave. Kids just do not care. Honestly, the families do not seem to care either.

Because you’re taught to be quiet in school from the very beginning.

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I bet the same posters who complain about “bad parents” also complain about “low birth rate” and are anti-choice. Newsflash, you can’t have it both ways.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are educators shocked that there was real harm done when the schools went virtual for over a year? That parents still have a chip on their shoulders towards schools because they were closed far longer than any other workplace. They were told schools aren’t daycare so you and your family are on your own figuring out how to help your child learn anything?

Of course parents are throwing their hands up and saying that catching up their kids is the school’s problem. They wanted schools open when their kids were falling behind.

Kids realized that their education mattered pretty little to the adults in their lives. They had 18 months to skate by.

This is the fall out. It will eventually level off but it’s ridiculous to think it will within six months.

Too bad. Do your jobs, Mama Bears. Take full responsibility for YOUR kids.

You do realize that not every parent is a software engineer working from home in their home office, correct?

Remember that next time you ask for the manager at the grocery store.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, I am wondering what has been going on. I’ve been getting a bunch of emails about Discipline Town Hall from my child’s school. Maybe the adults are over stressed and need to chill. Why aren’t schools using the Covid funds to hire more therapists and counselors? I’m really worried about the mental health fallout when the kids reach college and young adulthood. I mean we are already seeing it with all the suicides happening on campuses that no one is really talking about.

My daughter's elementary school did, and it was a game changer. There had been a lot of upheaval and health issues in her life in the past few years, and I'd tried in vain to find a therapist for her. (Can't afford to pay out-of-pocket.) She got a full evaluation and treatment plan last fall and gets pulled out of class once a week to see the therapist. I can't even express what a huge difference it's made and how grateful we are.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are educators shocked that there was real harm done when the schools went virtual for over a year? That parents still have a chip on their shoulders towards schools because they were closed far longer than any other workplace. They were told schools aren’t daycare so you and your family are on your own figuring out how to help your child learn anything?

Of course parents are throwing their hands up and saying that catching up their kids is the school’s problem. They wanted schools open when their kids were falling behind.

Kids realized that their education mattered pretty little to the adults in their lives. They had 18 months to skate by.

This is the fall out. It will eventually level off but it’s ridiculous to think it will within six months.

Too bad. Do your jobs, Mama Bears. Take full responsibility for YOUR kids.

You do realize that not every parent is a software engineer working from home in their home office, correct?

Remember that next time you ask for the manager at the grocery store.

I think the point is that they are now YOUR responsibility as teachers during the day. Not every parent is home during school hours. Don't complain the kids are tough this year and super behind academically. Most parents did the best that they could in an impossible situation. We are all tryign to support and figure out how to help kids now that they are back in school.
It shouldn't be shocking that the kids are behind, unable to take things seriously and much more aggressive. It's not been a typical or easy few years. Parents are mentally spent after years of juggling.

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School closures were the most anti-equity thing to happen in the last 50 years at least. The rich kids were largely fine, while the poor kids were largely not. You can do equity initiatives continuously for the next 10 years and still not be able to completely reverse what happened in the last 2.

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Anonymous wrote:School closures were the most anti-equity thing to happen in the last 50 years at least. The rich kids were largely fine, while the poor kids were largely not. You can do equity initiatives continuously for the next 10 years and still not be able to completely reverse what happened in the last 2.

For k-12 only I’m guessing you mean. For college the closures allowed families to save a lot of money on room & board and commuting.

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Anonymous wrote:School closures were the most anti-equity thing to happen in the last 50 years at least. The rich kids were largely fine, while the poor kids were largely not. You can do equity initiatives continuously for the next 10 years and still not be able to completely reverse what happened in the last 2.

For k-12 only I’m guessing you mean. For college the closures allowed families to save a lot of money on room & board and commuting.

Were there differential impacts on college enrollment for Black/white students? Application rates by race?

I actually think there were differential impacts by SES and/or race in colleges, if I recall the news articles correctly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:School closures were the most anti-equity thing to happen in the last 50 years at least. The rich kids were largely fine, while the poor kids were largely not. You can do equity initiatives continuously for the next 10 years and still not be able to completely reverse what happened in the last 2.

See, there’s these events called pandemics. You can’t just pretend they’re not going on.

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Anonymous wrote:School closures were the most anti-equity thing to happen in the last 50 years at least. The rich kids were largely fine, while the poor kids were largely not. You can do equity initiatives continuously for the next 10 years and still not be able to completely reverse what happened in the last 2.

At least in my neck of the woods, these was painted as "the poor (and where I am this means Black) families don't want to send their kids to in-person school". So it's this lovely thing where the people most hurt by the policy had the most support for the policy.

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Anonymous wrote:School closures were the most anti-equity thing to happen in the last 50 years at least. The rich kids were largely fine, while the poor kids were largely not. You can do equity initiatives continuously for the next 10 years and still not be able to completely reverse what happened in the last 2.

See, there’s these events called pandemics. You can’t just pretend they’re not going on.

Eyeroll. If you hadn't noticed, about half of the U.S. and much of Europe did open schools. Was Europe pretending there was no pandemic going on?

No, extended school closures were a political choice that differed across regions. It wasn't a foregone conclusion "because pandemic!"

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Anonymous wrote:School closures were the most anti-equity thing to happen in the last 50 years at least. The rich kids were largely fine, while the poor kids were largely not. You can do equity initiatives continuously for the next 10 years and still not be able to completely reverse what happened in the last 2.

At least in my neck of the woods, these was painted as "the poor (and where I am this means Black) families don't want to send their kids to in-person school". So it's this lovely thing where the people most hurt by the policy had the most support for the policy.

Was this because of Covid concern or because their kids weren’t being treated well in school or because virtual learning was so much easier logistically?