Earlier quotes....AWESOME!!!!

[Anonymous]

Thanks for the site and the upgrades.
Seems an option (click to see more or not) is a good solution.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Posts make less sense now. People respond to the visible quote, rather than to the entire thread. The conversation is lost.

I agree. I don’t like it. It doesn’t always make sense and you also lose the context for the comment. I vote to bring back the old way!

Just click the button and you will be back to the old way.

But I have to click the button each time. Is there a universal way to turn it off?

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Posts make less sense now. People respond to the visible quote, rather than to the entire thread. The conversation is lost.

I agree. I don’t like it. It doesn’t always make sense and you also lose the context for the comment. I vote to bring back the old way!

Just click the button and you will be back to the old way.

But I have to click the button each time. Is there a universal way to turn it off?

No, but how big of a deal is it to click a button?

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But I have to click the button each time. Is there a universal way to turn it off?

No, but how big of a deal is it to click a button?

Clicking a button on many posts is a big deal for me.

This change has added friction to DCUM use for some people, like me and the PP, while reducing friction for others. As a casual but too-frequent DCUM browser, who posts very occasionally but, I like to think, thoughtfully, here's how it's affecting me: I'm still reading DCUM too much, but when I see that button on a lot of posts in a thread, I stop reading it, and either go somewhere else on DCUM or get back to what I should be doing. This post notwithstanding, I plan to stop using quotes in my posts, because if someone then quotes my post, their post will effectively be missing the quote I included. This self-imposed restriction may inhibit me from posting, since I like carefully choosing snippets to quote when I compose a reply.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Posts make less sense now. People respond to the visible quote, rather than to the entire thread. The conversation is lost.

There are very few people who respond to an endlessly quote comment and actually read more than the bottom one or two comments. Instead, you make it painful for anyone who isn't sitting at their computer procrastinating from doing work, to actually see and scroll through the thread.

The worst is when you have 2 people bickering who can't be bothered to clip their quotes and they will fill 2-3 pages with their replies that just get longer and longer and longer.

For those who want the conversation, they can click the button at the top to expand the comment chain. Also, if they are replying, when you go to the reply page, it will show the entire chain. They can read it there.

For those who read DCUM on smaller devices like tablets and phones, this is a godsend to avoid having to swipe over and over just to get to the next comment.

Then just get rid of quoting altogether. Because right now, the conversations are just a mess. Some posters are responding to the thread and some are responding to the visible post.

You have a very small minority opinion. A significant majority have chimed in that they like the new quotation style.

No, just a bunch of vocal people. The forum is quite full of people who do like to kiss up to Jeff, seen plenty of that.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Posts make less sense now. People respond to the visible quote, rather than to the entire thread. The conversation is lost.

I agree. I don’t like it. It doesn’t always make sense and you also lose the context for the comment. I vote to bring back the old way!

Just click the button and you will be back to the old way.

But I have to click the button each time. Is there a universal way to turn it off?

No, but how big of a deal is it to click a button?

If you have to click multiple ones going back to get the full context, a lot.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Posts make less sense now. People respond to the visible quote, rather than to the entire thread. The conversation is lost.

I agree. I don’t like it. It doesn’t always make sense and you also lose the context for the comment. I vote to bring back the old way!

Just click the button and you will be back to the old way.

But I have to click the button each time. Is there a universal way to turn it off?

No, but how big of a deal is it to click a button?

It’s a big enough deal to me that I decided to post in this thread about it.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Posts make less sense now. People respond to the visible quote, rather than to the entire thread. The conversation is lost.

I agree. I don’t like it. It doesn’t always make sense and you also lose the context for the comment. I vote to bring back the old way!

Just click the button and you will be back to the old way.

But I have to click the button each time. Is there a universal way to turn it off?

No, but how big of a deal is it to click a button?

It’s a big enough deal to me that I decided to post in this thread about it.

Thoughts and prayers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Posts make less sense now. People respond to the visible quote, rather than to the entire thread. The conversation is lost.

I agree. I don’t like it. It doesn’t always make sense and you also lose the context for the comment. I vote to bring back the old way!

Just click the button and you will be back to the old way.

But I have to click the button each time. Is there a universal way to turn it off?

No, but how big of a deal is it to click a button?

If you have to click multiple ones going back to get the full context, a lot.

Not hard.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Posts make less sense now. People respond to the visible quote, rather than to the entire thread. The conversation is lost.

I agree. I don’t like it. It doesn’t always make sense and you also lose the context for the comment. I vote to bring back the old way!

Just click the button and you will be back to the old way.

But I have to click the button each time. Is there a universal way to turn it off?

No, but how big of a deal is it to click a button?

It’s a big enough deal to me that I decided to post in this thread about it.

Thoughts and prayers.

I appreciate the sentiment, but I was simply answering your question and offering my feedback. I’m glad you’re happy with your update. It sounds like a lot of people like it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not a fan. Easier for me to show earlier quotes right away, so I don’t spend time trying to interpret a post only to find it doesn’t make sense truncated.

Sorry sweetie. You are waaay outvoted.

For what it's worth, I agree. It's hard to follow threads this way.

I came to say that I find this feature problematic too. I just noticed it when I bolded what I wanted to respond to, and then my post made no sense because what I was bolded was hidden.

Unfortunately, where it comes in handy is when people start tossing back and forth very long post and the embeds get out of hand.

However, what i posted to was not very long, but now my response makes no sense because people cant see what I responded to.

I think it will lead to misunderstandings.

It will however save screenspace when people are overquoting on a thread that get a ton of responses.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not a fan. Easier for me to show earlier quotes right away, so I don’t spend time trying to interpret a post only to find it doesn’t make sense truncated.

Sorry sweetie. You are waaay outvoted.

For what it's worth, I agree. It's hard to follow threads this way.

I came to say that I find this feature problematic too. I just noticed it when I bolded what I wanted to respond to, and then my post made no sense because what I was bolded was hidden.

Unfortunately, where it comes in handy is when people start tossing back and forth very long post and the embeds get out of hand.

However, what i posted to was not very long, but now my response makes no sense because people cant see what I responded to.

I think it will lead to misunderstandings.

It will however save screenspace when people are overquoting on a thread that get a ton of responses.

What you are describing can only happen if you bold something that is not in the post that you are directly quoting, but a post that was quoted in an earlier post. The easiest solution is to respond to the earlier post. You may have a good reason for responding to one post while bolding something in a post quoted by that post, but that is very much an outlier situation.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not a fan. Easier for me to show earlier quotes right away, so I don’t spend time trying to interpret a post only to find it doesn’t make sense truncated.

Sorry sweetie. You are waaay outvoted.

OK, if you call this a vote. Really, I think the change is a bad idea. The reader ought to see what the poster chose to post. If a thread consists of post after post of cascading quotes, that in itself tells the reader something about the thread and the care, or lack thereof, that has gone into it. The change also reduces the incentive to put together a nicely composed post with proper use of quotes and perhaps bolding, because it'll be squashed down into a single quote that may not stand by itself.

There are actually four threads about the collapse quotes feature and, as far as I remember, you are the first and only naysayer. So, it's not so much that this is a vote, but that your opinion is an outlier.

Another outlier here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not a fan. Easier for me to show earlier quotes right away, so I don’t spend time trying to interpret a post only to find it doesn’t make sense truncated.

Sorry sweetie. You are waaay outvoted.

OK, if you call this a vote. Really, I think the change is a bad idea. The reader ought to see what the poster chose to post. If a thread consists of post after post of cascading quotes, that in itself tells the reader something about the thread and the care, or lack thereof, that has gone into it. The change also reduces the incentive to put together a nicely composed post with proper use of quotes and perhaps bolding, because it'll be squashed down into a single quote that may not stand by itself.

There are actually four threads about the collapse quotes feature and, as far as I remember, you are the first and only naysayer. So, it's not so much that this is a vote, but that your opinion is an outlier.

Another outlier here.

Maybe we're not outliers anymore.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:
What you are describing can only happen if you bold something that is not in the post that you are directly quoting, but a post that was quoted in an earlier post. The easiest solution is to respond to the earlier post. You may have a good reason for responding to one post while bolding something in a post quoted by that post, but that is very much an outlier situation.

Different PP here. Maybe the PP wants to include the later post because he wants to respond to it, or to acknowledge that poster's contribution to the discussion. Some of us put a lot of thought into what we write here. Does that make us outliers too?

Overquoting is rampant because it's very easy to quote an entire post and its embedded quotes, and difficult to limit how much is quoted. This is what has to be fixed. Is there any argument about the preceding assertions?