LCPS - Will Ziegler/The School Board institute their own mask mandate?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why has LCPS not said anything at all? Even our principal (didn't know he was an idiot but now I guess I do) seems to think the EO takes effect tomorrow. LCPS needs to clarify and pronto.

Ziegler did send an email. It’s still in effect.

It came after I posted this. And he only addressed this week. Lame.

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Anonymous wrote:It won’t go into effect until 1/24. But from what I gather even if LCPS institutes one, parents can opt out. I’m a teacher and I imagine 50% of my kids will immediately drop them and 50% will keep them. Makes me a little worried about my own kids but nothing much can be done. I’m not even fully opposed to dropping them (last spring in person we arguably didn’t need them) but not in the height of omicron.

I think kids who don’t wear masks should be disciplined and if the new administration tries to challenge it you take them to court where they will lose.

Peer pressure is also a big thing for teens. Most kids are pro-mask so the ones who take them off will be ostracized. That may help.

Most kids aren’t pro mask. Not even close. I teach teenagers every day, I know very well their mask adherence. And I stand by my comment, if they are allowed, 50% will immediately remove them. Then as time goes on and that becomes normalized another 20-30% will slowly take theirs off too. By school year end I would wager only 10-20% would still be willingly and diligently wearing them if they’re not required.

They won’t be taking them off if they are ordered by the school to keep them on.

The new governor’s executive order has no teeth. Schools will continue to mandate masks at least during this surge and anyone who says Youngkin says I don’t have to wear one will be sent home. I know someone will go wining to Tucker about it but he doesn’t care anymore — they are working on whatever boogeyman they can create for the midterms and don’t care about northern Virginia schools anymore. Miyares can try to sue on a student’s behalf but it will be laughed out of court and he will have wasted political capital. I see mask use in place until Spring Break.

I have also told my kids they are to instruct their peers who remove masks that they are to put them back on.

Why does the EO have less teeth than the last governor's EO? Because you don't like it? Your kids won't have many friends.

The current EO could be in conflict with SB 1303 which requires districts to provide “in-person instruction and provide such in-person instruction in a manner in which it adheres, to the maximum extent practicable, to any currently applicable mitigation strategies for early childhood care and education programs and elementary and secondary schools to reduce the transmission of COVID-19 that have been provided by the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention”.

Well it’s not practical to adhere to Cdc because the EO says you cant!

The EO doesn’t say that. It’s quite clear everyone is telling Youngkin to phuck right off. No one will comply with his dumb orders. Hell of a way to start a term — emasculated on the first work day of his administration.

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Anonymous wrote:It won’t go into effect until 1/24. But from what I gather even if LCPS institutes one, parents can opt out. I’m a teacher and I imagine 50% of my kids will immediately drop them and 50% will keep them. Makes me a little worried about my own kids but nothing much can be done. I’m not even fully opposed to dropping them (last spring in person we arguably didn’t need them) but not in the height of omicron.

I think kids who don’t wear masks should be disciplined and if the new administration tries to challenge it you take them to court where they will lose.

Peer pressure is also a big thing for teens. Most kids are pro-mask so the ones who take them off will be ostracized. That may help.

Most kids aren’t pro mask. Not even close. I teach teenagers every day, I know very well their mask adherence. And I stand by my comment, if they are allowed, 50% will immediately remove them. Then as time goes on and that becomes normalized another 20-30% will slowly take theirs off too. By school year end I would wager only 10-20% would still be willingly and diligently wearing them if they’re not required.

They won’t be taking them off if they are ordered by the school to keep them on.

The new governor’s executive order has no teeth. Schools will continue to mandate masks at least during this surge and anyone who says Youngkin says I don’t have to wear one will be sent home. I know someone will go wining to Tucker about it but he doesn’t care anymore — they are working on whatever boogeyman they can create for the midterms and don’t care about northern Virginia schools anymore. Miyares can try to sue on a student’s behalf but it will be laughed out of court and he will have wasted political capital. I see mask use in place until Spring Break.

I have also told my kids they are to instruct their peers who remove masks that they are to put them back on.

Why does the EO have less teeth than the last governor's EO? Because you don't like it? Your kids won't have many friends.

The current EO could be in conflict with SB 1303 which requires districts to provide “in-person instruction and provide such in-person instruction in a manner in which it adheres, to the maximum extent practicable, to any currently applicable mitigation strategies for early childhood care and education programs and elementary and secondary schools to reduce the transmission of COVID-19 that have been provided by the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention”.

Well it’s not practical to adhere to Cdc because the EO says you cant!

State law says school districts must adhere to current applicable mitigation strategies.

[Anonymous]

Per Tim Anderson, attorney and newly elected Republican Virginia Delegate on FB:

I have received many requests from you regarding how Gov Youngkin’s order applies to school masking requirements.

For private schools - the answer is easy. Private schools were ordered by the former health commissioner to require masking in schools. That order is rescinded. Private schools should rely on the parental choice option and create a policy allowing mask wearing to be optional.

Public schools: This is more complicated. Last year a law was passed (SB1303) that requires public schools (only public - not private) to be open for in-person learning 5 days weeks while requires “ii) provide such in-person instruction in a manner in which it adheres, to the maximum extent practicable, to any currently applicable mitigation strategies for early childhood care and education programs and elementary and secondary schools to reduce the transmission of COVID-19 that have been provided by the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.”

The CDC’s current recommendation related to masking is: CDC recommends universal indoor masking by all* students (ages 2 years and older), staff, teachers, and visitors to K-12 schools, regardless of vaccination status.

SB1303 expires August 1, 2022 - so after that day - parents without doubt have the option of sending children to schools without a mask. Between now and then - I think elected school boards are going to have to make decisions - and then parents on the other side of that decision will have to bring a court fight. That will take time - Courts do not move fast. So with the 5 months we have left of school this year - I would be surprised for the Supreme Court to provide binding guidance that would apply statewide.

Final answer: For this current year: I think public school boards will decide this answer - and there won’t be enough time to get the fights through the courts.

For next public school year: Parents will decide.

Order 2: https://bit.ly/3FstazH
SB1303: https://bit.ly/3ftkApB
CDC: https://bit.ly/3KeenMp

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Per Tim Anderson, attorney and newly elected Republican Virginia Delegate on FB:

I have received many requests from you regarding how Gov Youngkin’s order applies to school masking requirements.

For private schools - the answer is easy. Private schools were ordered by the former health commissioner to require masking in schools. That order is rescinded. Private schools should rely on the parental choice option and create a policy allowing mask wearing to be optional.

Public schools: This is more complicated. Last year a law was passed (SB1303) that requires public schools (only public - not private) to be open for in-person learning 5 days weeks while requires “ii) provide such in-person instruction in a manner in which it adheres, to the maximum extent practicable, to any currently applicable mitigation strategies for early childhood care and education programs and elementary and secondary schools to reduce the transmission of COVID-19 that have been provided by the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.”

The CDC’s current recommendation related to masking is: CDC recommends universal indoor masking by all* students (ages 2 years and older), staff, teachers, and visitors to K-12 schools, regardless of vaccination status.

SB1303 expires August 1, 2022 - so after that day - parents without doubt have the option of sending children to schools without a mask. Between now and then - I think elected school boards are going to have to make decisions - and then parents on the other side of that decision will have to bring a court fight. That will take time - Courts do not move fast. So with the 5 months we have left of school this year - I would be surprised for the Supreme Court to provide binding guidance that would apply statewide.

Final answer: For this current year: I think public school boards will decide this answer - and there won’t be enough time to get the fights through the courts.

For next public school year: Parents will decide.

Order 2: https://bit.ly/3FstazH
SB1303: https://bit.ly/3ftkApB
CDC: https://bit.ly/3KeenMp

Seems like a reasonable and pragmatic response.

With luck by August it won’t be much of an issue anymore as the worst of COVID may have passed. OTOH who knows what will happen with this crazy virus. If it mutates in dangerous ways, it could be a whole set of circumstances. But the bottom line is Youngkin can pander all he wants and tell parents they can “opt out” but if the school says wear a mask, the student will wear a mask or face discipline.

Same for private schools. Youngkin cannot actually forbid a private school from requiring mask use any more than he can forbid a store from requiring it. I mean, I suppose some kid could declare they won’t comply with the school rule to wear one, but that child would likely be kicked out of the school with zero recourse.

[Anonymous]

Can’t wait to finally teach unmuzzled. Well, I already do but now nobody can sue me for it.

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Anonymous wrote:Can’t wait to finally teach unmuzzled. Well, I already do but now nobody can sue me for it.

I don’t think you actually know what a muzzle is.

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I feel terrible about the dynamic this is likely to create with our kids, especially elementary schoolers. Who will want to be in the minority, whether masked or not? What will kids be saying to and about each other because of it?

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Anonymous wrote:Can’t wait to finally teach unmuzzled. Well, I already do but now nobody can sue me for it.

I don’t think you actually know what a muzzle is.

Mask...muzzle....To-MAY-to....To-MAH-to....

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can’t wait to finally teach unmuzzled. Well, I already do but now nobody can sue me for it.

I don’t think you actually know what a muzzle is.

Mask...muzzle....To-MAY-to....To-MAH-to....

So much drama from you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I feel terrible about the dynamic this is likely to create with our kids, especially elementary schoolers. Who will want to be in the minority, whether masked or not? What will kids be saying to and about each other because of it?

I’m in a crazy FB group of anti maskers and anti vaxers. I’m not - but I joined back when it was an open schools group. Anyway, they are all hand wringing that some kids may exclude their kid for not wearing a mask. Well, duh.

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Anonymous wrote:Can’t wait to finally teach unmuzzled. Well, I already do but now nobody can sue me for it.

I don’t think you actually know what a muzzle is.

Mask...muzzle....To-MAY-to....To-MAH-to....

So much drama from you.

Actually I was making fun of the whole situation, but kudos for you for misreading.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can’t wait to finally teach unmuzzled. Well, I already do but now nobody can sue me for it.

It’s not for staff. Your employer can still require you to mask.

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Anonymous wrote:Can’t wait to finally teach unmuzzled. Well, I already do but now nobody can sue me for it.

It’s not for staff. Your employer can still require you to mask.

+1. Teachers are still required to mask.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can’t wait to finally teach unmuzzled. Well, I already do but now nobody can sue me for it.

It’s not for staff. Your employer can still require you to mask.

+1. Teachers are still required to mask.

I’ll pass. Either religion or health will be used as excuse. I can’t breathe in that chin diaper.