Easing COVID-19 restrictions in daycares: working families need relief now

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Please keep in mind that child care workers are put at greater risk of exposure because they change diapers, wipe noses, clean spit up all day. Very different from elementary school teachers.

They always have been for every other malady and your statement doesnt make sense if you break it down. Children under 2 arent required to wear masks. Children 2-3 are suggested. Children over 3 are strongly encourage/required based on most daycares Ive been hearing about. Children over 3 are usually potty trained and can wipe their own noses.
Lastly there are no surges in COVID cases in either providers nor children in daycares that arent masking kids under 5.

We are not in a surging pandemic of “every other malady.” Sit down.

Surging? Surging in whom exactly? Because if you look at pediatric numbers they include ages 0 to 19, therefore, until you show me data actual data that clearly indicates that the 0 to 5 age group which has been the lowest risk during the entire pandemic is now increasing and surging in the same rates that the vaccinated unvaccinated adult population are then please prove me wrong. And then further compare that to cases quote unquote in the surging UK where they don't wear masks.
I'd also like you to take time to actually go through my points about the age ranges and the referencing to how daycare providers are somehow more at risk because they're dealing with children's fluids. I mean the rule about hand foot and mouth is that you have to wait x amount of days and or until you no longer have open sores but the virus sheds in poop for weeks. And somehow duct taping all the toddlers butts that have hand foot and mouth.
In the meantime if you don't have anything actually constructive to say you need to be the one sitting down.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If you are like me and frustrated by the constant daycare closures (that are not backed by evidence) and policies that are harming our youngest children and detrimental to parents' mental and financial health, please consider taking a look at this: https://chng.it/w8ZCRxLgMx and sharing it as widely as possible. Thank you.

Thank you OP. Signed and sharing.

I'm a single parent and self-employed. These quarantines are breaking me. I cut my client load significantly to be able to ride out closures and quarantines figuring I would just do it until the toddler vaccine was approved in February. Now we may not have toddlers fully vaccinated until the end of 2022. I truly don't know how to keep my family afloat unless daycare goes test to stay. I can't afford a nanny.

Right now, losing our house and not being able to afford food is more of a risk for our family than Covid.

Wow - when did that become the news?

I’m so sorry- I hope you are able to find a family or friend to help out. This is really an unsustainable situation for all of us parents of the pre-k set.

[Anonymous]

My daycare already does test to stay. I don't like it personally. But to the PP who wants it - maybe you can explore other options for daycare? I know changing daycare is a huge pain. But it seems like at least some daycares are doing test to stay already.....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My daycare already does test to stay. I don't like it personally. But to the PP who wants it - maybe you can explore other options for daycare? I know changing daycare is a huge pain. But it seems like at least some daycares are doing test to stay already.....

what state are you in? MDH has taken the position that daycares/preK can’t do test-to-stay.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Please keep in mind that child care workers are put at greater risk of exposure because they change diapers, wipe noses, clean spit up all day. Very different from elementary school teachers.

They always have been for every other malady and your statement doesnt make sense if you break it down. Children under 2 arent required to wear masks. Children 2-3 are suggested. Children over 3 are strongly encourage/required based on most daycares Ive been hearing about. Children over 3 are usually potty trained and can wipe their own noses.
Lastly there are no surges in COVID cases in either providers nor children in daycares that arent masking kids under 5.

We are not in a surging pandemic of “every other malady.” Sit down.

Surging? Surging in whom exactly? Because if you look at pediatric numbers they include ages 0 to 19, therefore, until you show me data actual data that clearly indicates that the 0 to 5 age group which has been the lowest risk during the entire pandemic is now increasing and surging in the same rates that the vaccinated unvaccinated adult population are then please prove me wrong. And then further compare that to cases quote unquote in the surging UK where they don't wear masks.
I'd also like you to take time to actually go through my points about the age ranges and the referencing to how daycare providers are somehow more at risk because they're dealing with children's fluids. I mean the rule about hand foot and mouth is that you have to wait x amount of days and or until you no longer have open sores but the virus sheds in poop for weeks. And somehow duct taping all the toddlers butts that have hand foot and mouth.
In the meantime if you don't have anything actually constructive to say you need to be the one sitting down.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/child-covid-hospitalizations-are-5-states-are-rise-rcna10089

However, he said, his hospital has seen a lot of kids test positive for Covid without necessarily showing symptoms or getting sick.

"We test anybody who’s admitted to the hospital for whatever reason to see whether or not they have Covid, and we’re definitely seeing an increase in cases. However, we’re really not seeing an increase in children who are hospitalized for Covid or in the intensive care unit for Covid," Offit said.

[Anonymous]

Here’s another:

Children seem to be only mildly ill, for the most part, in New Jersey, said Dr. Jennifer Owensby of the pediatric critical care division at Rutgers Robert Wood Johnson Medical School.
"We are definitely seeing an increase in Covid-positive children, but they are not necessarily coming in with Covid symptoms," Owensby said. The kids are coming in for some other treatment, she said, and are testing positive when they are screened.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/27/health/covid-kids-hospitals/index.html

[Anonymous]

I'm the PP who said their daycare is doing test to stay. We are in VA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here’s another:

Children seem to be only mildly ill, for the most part, in New Jersey, said Dr. Jennifer Owensby of the pediatric critical care division at Rutgers Robert Wood Johnson Medical School.
"We are definitely seeing an increase in Covid-positive children, but they are not necessarily coming in with Covid symptoms," Owensby said. The kids are coming in for some other treatment, she said, and are testing positive when they are screened.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/27/health/covid-kids-hospitals/index.html

Youd have to look at admisision data to see why the kids were admitted, ages, and whether they are in group care to determine if the rising "surge" in asymptomatic cases is a threat to community transmission. Pediatric cases are for ages 0-19. Ages 5-19 can be vaccinated. Im specifically talking about 0-5 because they 1. cant be vaccinated 2. kids <8 cant legally be left alone when closures happen whether it be school or daycare. They need supervision. My issue is not with the requirements its that the restrictions are for the safety of the community but the community is doing nothing to support kids of this age and their parents.

As an adult you can be sick, know you are sick, even have a COVID + test and still go to work. The whole system is built on the honor system. No one at the HD is checking in to make sure you are isolated. No one is calling your work and saying this person is excused. When that can happen but conversely schools require PCR to return, will send home for 1 symptom, require quarantines, etc. it becomes a little performative and silly.