LCPS Asynchronous week on turkey day

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ignore the troll teacher.

If you want to avoid this happening in your counties, and it probably will, start bombarding your school board to increase sub pay. Not a $1 or $2 per hour raise or whatever is being proposed to disguise the fact that it's still terrible pay. An actual decent hourly wage that is more than you'd pay an adult babysitter who has at least 30 college credits to watch your 2-3 children. Otherwise there is very little incentive for subs to pick up jobs right before breaks or holidays. Also start advocating for teachers and staff to be paid out at least some of their unused leave when they resign or retire. Again, this incentivizes people not to take off unless they actually have a situation that requires it. Principals get this perk in certain counties and everyone else should, too.

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I know principals in FCPS get this pay for unused annual leave. My DW is a teacher and will forfeit all unused leave when she retires.

Does the time not even count towards retirement? (“Buying closer to your retirement date in the case of an early offering of retirement or does that not happen in the school system due?) That is a no brainer—unused annual leave should be paid out for all staff, not just the Principals. It would’ve been “spent” AND cost them a substitute; I don’t get the rationale behind not paying it out for all.

[Anonymous]

Unused leave is paid out when you retire at a SIGNIFICANTLY reduced rate. Meaning, let’s say you have 188 days of leave when you retire, which many teachers do. That’s technically a year contract but you will not get a year of your salary at payout for those dates. You get something like 20-30% of some cap on your salary.

[Anonymous]

But again all of this is moot because LCPS IS PAYING SUBS MORE for these and other high volume dates and nobody at any level is seriously thinking they’ll be asynchronous those 2 days. The difference between other districts who will be and us is they didn’t have last week’s schedule of Diwali, Election Day and teacher planning already off for the kids and then an additional of 2 asynchronous days on that weird Wednesday and Friday. You all just take any small chance to start ripping on teachers and it’s pathetic. Op made it up but in any case your grief is NOT WITH TEACHERS it’s with the SHITTY AND CRUMBLING EDUCATION SYSTEM.

[Anonymous]

I don’t understand why teachers are allowed to take off on days when many other teachers are also taking off. Most employers will not allow everyone to take off the week of thanksgiving, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:But again all of this is moot because LCPS IS PAYING SUBS MORE for these and other high volume dates and nobody at any level is seriously thinking they’ll be asynchronous those 2 days. The difference between other districts who will be and us is they didn’t have last week’s schedule of Diwali, Election Day and teacher planning already off for the kids and then an additional of 2 asynchronous days on that weird Wednesday and Friday. You all just take any small chance to start ripping on teachers and it’s pathetic. Op made it up but in any case your grief is NOT WITH TEACHERS it’s with the SHITTY AND CRUMBLING EDUCATION SYSTEM.

Has anyone asked what the fill rate is for those days? I'm glad they finally figured out that $112 per day is not going to cut it but this is probably too little, too late. One of the biggest reasons people sign up to sub is because of the flexibility. If a sub has already made plans of their own, offering more money a couple weeks ahead of time isn't going to change it. Paying higher on a handful of days while continuing to underpay on the other days isn't how you get or keep employees. This is not a rip on teachers, it's a rip on a system that did absolutely nothing to avoid the situation until it was way too late.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But again all of this is moot because LCPS IS PAYING SUBS MORE for these and other high volume dates and nobody at any level is seriously thinking they’ll be asynchronous those 2 days. The difference between other districts who will be and us is they didn’t have last week’s schedule of Diwali, Election Day and teacher planning already off for the kids and then an additional of 2 asynchronous days on that weird Wednesday and Friday. You all just take any small chance to start ripping on teachers and it’s pathetic. Op made it up but in any case your grief is NOT WITH TEACHERS it’s with the SHITTY AND CRUMBLING EDUCATION SYSTEM.

Has anyone asked what the fill rate is for those days? I'm glad they finally figured out that $112 per day is not going to cut it but this is probably too little, too late. One of the biggest reasons people sign up to sub is because of the flexibility. If a sub has already made plans of their own, offering more money a couple weeks ahead of time isn't going to change it. Paying higher on a handful of days while continuing to underpay on the other days isn't how you get or keep employees. This is not a rip on teachers, it's a rip on a system that did absolutely nothing to avoid the situation until it was way too late.

Your comment may not be a rip on teachers but please go look at the rest of this thread. Some people go after teachers any chance they get when they fail to realize most teachers are parents too and we’d be stronger if we were more united against the way this system screws us and the kids. Pitting parents against teachers just allows those in charge of the system escape accountability. But it’s easy bait.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But again all of this is moot because LCPS IS PAYING SUBS MORE for these and other high volume dates and nobody at any level is seriously thinking they’ll be asynchronous those 2 days. The difference between other districts who will be and us is they didn’t have last week’s schedule of Diwali, Election Day and teacher planning already off for the kids and then an additional of 2 asynchronous days on that weird Wednesday and Friday. You all just take any small chance to start ripping on teachers and it’s pathetic. Op made it up but in any case your grief is NOT WITH TEACHERS it’s with the SHITTY AND CRUMBLING EDUCATION SYSTEM.

Has anyone asked what the fill rate is for those days? I'm glad they finally figured out that $112 per day is not going to cut it but this is probably too little, too late. One of the biggest reasons people sign up to sub is because of the flexibility. If a sub has already made plans of their own, offering more money a couple weeks ahead of time isn't going to change it. Paying higher on a handful of days while continuing to underpay on the other days isn't how you get or keep employees. This is not a rip on teachers, it's a rip on a system that did absolutely nothing to avoid the situation until it was way too late.

Your comment may not be a rip on teachers but please go look at the rest of this thread. Some people go after teachers any chance they get when they fail to realize most teachers are parents too and we’d be stronger if we were more united against the way this system screws us and the kids. Pitting parents against teachers just allows those in charge of the system escape accountability. But it’s easy bait.

PP and I agree that the rest of the thread is mostly crap. However, parents need to wake up. Your school boards are taking you for a ride because they sat on their hands for years. If you don't want unexpected closures, you need to do something about it. Yes, you personally. Send a polite email or register to speak at your school board meeting. Ask your local representative about fill rates and state your concerns that the pay isn't reasonable or that ESSR funds should be going to attract more subs or whatever your issues are. Mention how surrounding districts are handling this. Propose solutions. I have no doubt many of the people on DCUM could absolutely do this and get changes made.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ignore the troll teacher.

If you want to avoid this happening in your counties, and it probably will, start bombarding your school board to increase sub pay. Not a $1 or $2 per hour raise or whatever is being proposed to disguise the fact that it's still terrible pay. An actual decent hourly wage that is more than you'd pay an adult babysitter who has at least 30 college credits to watch your 2-3 children. Otherwise there is very little incentive for subs to pick up jobs right before breaks or holidays. Also start advocating for teachers and staff to be paid out at least some of their unused leave when they resign or retire. Again, this incentivizes people not to take off unless they actually have a situation that requires it. Principals get this perk in certain counties and everyone else should, too.

+1
I know principals in FCPS get this pay for unused annual leave. My DW is a teacher and will forfeit all unused leave when she retires.

Does the time not even count towards retirement? (“Buying closer to your retirement date in the case of an early offering of retirement or does that not happen in the school system due?) That is a no brainer—unused annual leave should be paid out for all staff, not just the Principals. It would’ve been “spent” AND cost them a substitute; I don’t get the rationale behind not paying it out for all.

It gets figured into the retirement formula for those teachers hired prior to 2001, but you can’t use it to retire early. For those hired after 2001 all leave is forfeited. (This is FCPS.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Unused leave is paid out when you retire at a SIGNIFICANTLY reduced rate. Meaning, let’s say you have 188 days of leave when you retire, which many teachers do. That’s technically a year contract but you will not get a year of your salary at payout for those dates. You get something like 20-30% of some cap on your salary.

Which district?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Youngkin says "Four More Years!"

Let’s see what Youngkin does about staffing issues.

What happens if kids are in school but there aren’t enough teachers? Do they just put all of the kids in the gym for babysitting?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ignore the troll teacher.

If you want to avoid this happening in your counties, and it probably will, start bombarding your school board to increase sub pay. Not a $1 or $2 per hour raise or whatever is being proposed to disguise the fact that it's still terrible pay. An actual decent hourly wage that is more than you'd pay an adult babysitter who has at least 30 college credits to watch your 2-3 children. Otherwise there is very little incentive for subs to pick up jobs right before breaks or holidays. Also start advocating for teachers and staff to be paid out at least some of their unused leave when they resign or retire. Again, this incentivizes people not to take off unless they actually have a situation that requires it. Principals get this perk in certain counties and everyone else should, too.

+1
I know principals in FCPS get this pay for unused annual leave. My DW is a teacher and will forfeit all unused leave when she retires.

Does the time not even count towards retirement? (“Buying closer to your retirement date in the case of an early offering of retirement or does that not happen in the school system due?) That is a no brainer—unused annual leave should be paid out for all staff, not just the Principals. It would’ve been “spent” AND cost them a substitute; I don’t get the rationale behind not paying it out for all.

It gets figured into the retirement formula for those teachers hired prior to 2001, but you can’t use it to retire early. For those hired after 2001 all leave is forfeited. (This is FCPS.)

It is basically "use it or lose it" leave that is common in other government positions. Civilian workers with this type of leave almost always take their leave rather than losing it, so why shouldn't FCPS teachers do the same?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Unused leave is paid out when you retire at a SIGNIFICANTLY reduced rate. Meaning, let’s say you have 188 days of leave when you retire, which many teachers do. That’s technically a year contract but you will not get a year of your salary at payout for those dates. You get something like 20-30% of some cap on your salary.

Which district?

Loudoun

[Anonymous]

There is a prevalent troll on this forum specifically who poses as a Loudoun teacher and regularly and purposefully goads people. All last year she bragged about how little she was working, how much she was traveling, how she would not be putting forth any additional effort, etc. and so on. Any chance she gets, she comes on here to get parents riled up at teachers. I am 100% sure she is the one starting all the posts about asynchronous, among other things.

Please just ignore her. I work at an LCPS elementary school and I assure you no one talks like this woman in real life and if someone did people would think they were nuts.

[Anonymous]

What I have been told by friends working for LCPS is that part of the issue with subs in Loudoun is that it takes so long for an application to be processed. The office that deals with this was cut back years ago, and they don't have enough people to move the paperwork through the system at a good rate. There are subs in the pipeline who would fill some of these spots, but they haven't yet been cleared to work.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What I have been told by friends working for LCPS is that part of the issue with subs in Loudoun is that it takes so long for an application to be processed. The office that deals with this was cut back years ago, and they don't have enough people to move the paperwork through the system at a good rate. There are subs in the pipeline who would fill some of these spots, but they haven't yet been cleared to work.

Trust me when I say from friends who have applied in both counties, FCPS is worse. They just let qualified applications (including for high demand jobs like long term SPED subs) sit and sit and sit until people go take a job somewhere else, including LCPS.