| PP here, endorsing the advice and suggestions provided by 22:38 poster. My DS didn't enter MCPS until 3rd grade but we brought our private neuropsychological to MCPS when he was in private 2d grade. MCPS gave him a Service Plan in Reading Phonics and Reading Comprehension while he was in private school, and then an IEP starting in 3rd grade. While we didn't face the eligibility barrier that you are (IMHO, erroneously) facing, we have had lots of bumps along the road (3 years so far). After the first few bumps, we reached out to the Cluster Supervisor for Special Education. He (and after he retired, his replacement) started attending all of our IEP meetings. It made a difference. |
Thank you. How do I figure out who the cluster supervisor for special ed is? |
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/special-education/contact-us/clusters.aspx There is a supervisor and an itinerant resource teacher for each high school cluster. here is a different list of who to contact with questions: https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/special-education/contact-us/ I don't know exactly how to find their emails but somewhere on website they have the emails. |
Thanks- how do I know whether I should involve them or an outside advocate? Or lawyer |
Call an advocate for a free consult. They can help you. |
I would recommend no matter what, you get an advocate who you feel comfortable working with. It is a long journey. You will need to bring them to your next meeting. Start with the email - who ever framed that out for you with the specific language you need to include is wonderful! Give the school the opportunity to reflect on the situation at hand and change. For lawyers, I have heard very positive things about Kimberly Glassman https://bkgpc.com/kimberly-glassman/ |
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This has been such an amazing thread- especially that email from 22:38! Wish I had that when we were going through the 504/IEP process.
We were in FCPS, went through that roller coaster of a ride between 6th and 11th grade. We eventually ended up moving DC to private school, which was really needed at that time. We tried to make it work with FCPS. Here's our journey: -Got denied for 504 in 6th grade. -Got outside testing, appealed. Granted 504, but after a year, saw that it wasn't enough. -Applied for IEP in 7th grade. Denied. -Inquired with due process, which got the attention of the middle school principal, who sat in on the eligibility meeting. During that time, we got an advocate who came to the school to do observations and also sat with us in meetings. The advocate's presence was helpful to keep the school "in check" but I think it was the principal's pushing that really helped us get the IEP. - Used the IEP in 7th and 8th grade with very mixed results-- it totally depended in each teacher to find ways that worked with our DC. Some teachers made things a lot more complicated- like proposing a separate paper checklist for my ADHD kid who kept losing their paper homework. - Tried to get new, more appropriate accommodations/specialized instructions in 9th grade and was met with much resistance from most of the teachers, until ONE teacher said, yes- I'll do that- and then the entire team turned around. - 11th grade was really tough... We looked at all other options for Special Ed in FCPS and none of them was going to work- really, we suspected that the other options were going to make our kid worse. Our attorney sat with us in meetings. The attorney was very helpful in helping us know what our options are and could also keep the school "in check." There was one meeting that was attended by a Procedural Support Liason (PSL) who was on her way out of her role but attended because her new person couldn't make it. This PSL was brilliant. Goes to show that ideas and decisions made in that room completely depended on who shows up so you really need ONE person who can influence the rest of the groupthink. I often wondered what the "IEP Team" was when it was only attended by folks who happened to be available at that time slot. - We knew what our kid needed but the school wanted to do all sorts of processes that would make us "wait and see what happens." This is not what you want to hear when your kid is suicidal, already in 11th grade and the school was pushing to just have the kid graduate, even offering to "waive" some graduation requirements. So we had to really think about what our priorities were-- are we rushing to get a diploma (with waived requirements) as the finish line or do we want our kid healthy in school while learning? The attorney didn't agree with what the school was doing and advised us that we'd be better off paying for private school than wait for FCPS to do the placement. Also, lawsuits against the public school systems hardly ever favor the parents. - We ended the journey by telling our IEP team that we were withdrawing DC - Private school was so expensive but if we didn't spend that money then, college would not have been possible at all. DC is now at 2nd year in college. |
| We worked with Diana Savit (atty in Bethesda). It's been a few years. We did a full eval (private) that showed our kid's IQ was high but kid was performing average work. We used that discrepancy to show impact. |
Not OP but thank you so so much! |
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Resources for any parent - I'm a former MCPS parent - wrightsaw.com and Parents Place of MD. I'm not affiliated with either.
Someone referenced a report where a psychologist or examiner said the child needed an IEP. Examiners should only say that the information on the report should be considered by an IEP team. One examiner alone does not dictate eligibility. An IEP team is the legally designated entity to determine eligibility. While writing a letter and including "due process" may sound like putting in legal buzz words that may get attention, that doesn't necessarily equate to proceeding to due process and prevailing. I've been in due process in more than one situation. It's routine for their attorneys and they deal with very extreme cases of egregious special education violations such as no services for a student found eligible, etc. I recommend speaking to Parents Place because it can be resolved at the school level it's cheaper and less time consuming. If they return right now to the table for a new IEP meeting they won't have much new data. Adverse educational impact is required and it's early in the year to see that. Good luck to anyone in this process. |
| Wrightslaw.com is the corrected web site sorry |
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^This. OP I really would recommend ADHD literate tutoring at this rate if he's able to get passing grades. You'll save thousands of dollars and lots of stress. Maryland is notorious for ruling against parents in all but the most horrific cases.
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I am the poster who drafted the suggested email. I get really frustrated when I see statements like the bold. “Adverse educational impact” is not shown just by what happens in the classroom. By definition, if you have a kid who has been tested by a tester on nationally normed, standardized testing and that testing shows that the student is reading below grade level - that is demonstrated adverse educational impact (absent some other explanation like below average IQ). And when you have a kid diagnosed with dyslexia who is scoring below grade level even though they have been exposed to the same general reading education as everyone else most of whom are scoring at grade level (because that’s the object of a grade level benchmark - it’s set at a place where almost all children will achieve it at the end of the year), then below grade level IS adverse educational impact. Also, timeline matters in this situation. If the parents accept the “determination” and wait for time to pass and then make a new request in November, the timeline starts all over again - the school has 30 days to set the first meeting, and another 60 days to collect data and then another 30 days to write the IEP. By contrast, if the parents write a letter that says at the first meeting you, the school system, made a mistake and terminated the process in error, and we, the parents are asking you to either make the determination and move straight into IEP writing OR come back to the table and begin the 60 day evaluation period, the timeline clock has been ticking the whole time, keeping the pressure on the school and pushing the process to be finished more quickly. I also get frustrated by the notion that it’s too early in the year to see impact. If that were the legally correct way to assess educational impact, no one could get an IEP between September and November. That’s not the intent of the law. Adverse educational impact can and should look back at the last year. Even if there aren’t teacher reports from last year, there are grades, assignments, incidents, email concerns, testing, etc. to look at plus the private standardized testing which objectively assesses below grade level skills. As to your comments on “due process” as a buzz word - the entire point of referring to due process at this stage is precisely to signal that it’s better for the school to solve this problem or it has the potential to enter into due process, and to frame the issue as a series of vulnerabilities on the school side in due process. Honestly, nobody wants to get to due process - it’s expensive and time-consuming for both sides. But the school is betting that 99% of the people whom it turns away don’t have the knowledge to know they’re getting screwed nor the time, knowledge or money to fix it. And the school system is also betting you will be too afraid that asking for your rights will anger the people upon whom you depend for help. But, that balance shifts somewhat when they know that you are not going to give up and slink away and that you will make specific complaints grounded in the law by name to superiors who are supposed to know and enforce legal obligations. |
Re adverse impact - you do NOT have to prove adverse impact at this screening stage - merely make a showing that there is/could be. You have done that through below grade level testing, through your feedback on how difficult last year was and how much support you had to provide, etc. At a minimum, the school should have passed you on the screening and moved to a 60 day period where they would collect further data, which includes classroom data. Also re: adverse imapct. The school is saying that 46%île is average and thus does not show any adverse impact. That is only true if your DC’s IQ (or highest component of the IQ) is also around 46%. BUT, for a kid with an IQ at the 80th percentile, a 46th percentile reading score is actually bad. The school will always try to convince you that a kid has to be scoring “below average” or “borderline” to qualify. That just is not true. “Significant discrepancy” can qualify a kid for an IEP - significant discrepancy between IQ and achievement. My kid has an IQ in the 99th percentile and math reasoning scores in the 90th percentile but math fluency scores in the 40-50th percentile. That is such a significant discrepancy that he qualifies for a math calculator accommodation. He also has dysgraphia with writing scores from the 25-50 percentiles - again he qualifies for an IEP for SLD in writing even though he has never gotten below an A or B in an English class in his life. He has, however repeatedly done poorly on classroom writing assignments, although never below a C because he tries at least. He’s had an IEP since third grade. Only when he got to middle school and had to start taking the PARCC did he start failing the writing portion only of the PARCC. Don’t second guess yourself about what the school will say - so send it and let them say no a second time. You will be no worse off than you are now. You can still collect more data, or hire an advocate or get a lawyer. If you accept the 504 plan, make sure to document in writing that you disagree with the IEP decision and that your acceptance of the 504 plan does not constitute agreement to the IEP decision and does not waive your due process rights. |