FCPS comprehensive boundary review

[Anonymous]

Does anyone know if a possible new HS in Western Fairfax County is likely to happen? I know the current CIP mentions this but I have heard others say in this and other FCPS threads that it is unlikely, so just curious.

[Anonymous]

Can kicked down the road year after year. Don’t expect anything different in the next CIP. It’s a testament to the incompetence of FCPS’s capital planning and the near-total lack of transparency that they just keep rolling it forward even though few now expect it to get built.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know if a possible new HS in Western Fairfax County is likely to happen? I know the current CIP mentions this but I have heard others say in this and other FCPS threads that it is unlikely, so just curious.

Anything is possible, but they have no firm plans for a new HS despite what they keep saying. So I’d say it’s at least 10 years out at this point.

[Anonymous]

They need a high school out near Bull Run Elementary/Virginia Run.

[Anonymous]

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The majority of families don't care about boundary changes. Maybe on a forum like this, but the day-to-day, nope. People are more concerned about losing their jobs and paying for groceries. Some might even be worried about getting deported. School board crap, not at all.

The majority of parents DO care. They are just not aware. There is very little local news about this and most people assume their kids will stay where they are.

Parents are not the majority in the county. Most of the adults in the county do not have children enrolled in the public schools.

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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know if a possible new HS in Western Fairfax County is likely to happen? I know the current CIP mentions this but I have heard others say in this and other FCPS threads that it is unlikely, so just curious.

Anything is possible, but they have no firm plans for a new HS despite what they keep saying. So I’d say it’s at least 10 years out at this point.

The final nail in the coffin will be if they proceed with the stated plan to expand Centreville to 3000. You can’t justify investing capital dollars in both a Centreville expansion of that magnitude and a new western HS when the primary growth area in the county now is further east.

If they scale back the Centreville expansion, maybe there’s some reason to think there might be another western HS in the future but it would still be years away and they just keep pushing the dates further out.

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The majority of families don't care about boundary changes. Maybe on a forum like this, but the day-to-day, nope. People are more concerned about losing their jobs and paying for groceries. Some might even be worried about getting deported. School board crap, not at all.

The majority of parents DO care. They are just not aware. There is very little local news about this and most people assume their kids will stay where they are.

If you’re ensconced in the middle of a district, you don’t have to care. If you are zoned to a good high school surrounded by good schools, you don’t have to care. There are a very few terrible schools parents are worried about out and there is one situation where parents are looking and being shifted from the best school to an mediocre school

And, guess what? If those kids get rezoned to that “mediocre school”, they will be just fine, or even better. They might get to be the big fish in the pond. It is not the end of the world.

My kid graduated from one of those “mediocre schools”. She is now at a top 25 university. Had she gone to Langley, Oakton or Mclean, she would have had more competition in the admission process. Some might think her “mediocre school” did not prepare her well, this was not her experience. She is working her rear off, and getting good grades. Yes, there were few students taking advanced courses at her high school, but they were a tightknit group, and they supported each other. Not cut throat at all.

There were also fewer sections of advanced courses, but it all worked out in the end. Many universities want your kids to take those super advanced stem courses on their campuses anyway.

We are zoned for WSHS but on a boundary line. Not one that's often talked about as moving to Lewis, but you never know. I have kids who will graduate in 2028 and 2032. I'm being totally honest that if my 2032 kid gets moved to Key/Lewis (with a decent amount of kids so he still has a friend group there) we would not complain and get invested in the school and I think it would really be fine. But I will be LIVID if my 2028 kid has to move schools as a rising junior. He is putting in so much work already with sports teams and club/leadership opportunities. And he has a good idea of the AP classes he wants to take through senior year. Moving kids at that point - which the school board left as a very real possibility - is criminal.

100%. I'm in a very similar boat and agree with you. I could support a measured approach. Moving kids between 10th and 11th grade is absolutely callous. I feel like there are extremes om both sides of this argument, people who don't want boundaries touched at all and those who want kids moved yesterday, consequences be darned.

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The majority of families don't care about boundary changes. Maybe on a forum like this, but the day-to-day, nope. People are more concerned about losing their jobs and paying for groceries. Some might even be worried about getting deported. School board crap, not at all.

The majority of parents DO care. They are just not aware. There is very little local news about this and most people assume their kids will stay where they are.

If you’re ensconced in the middle of a district, you don’t have to care. If you are zoned to a good high school surrounded by good schools, you don’t have to care. There are a very few terrible schools parents are worried about out and there is one situation where parents are looking and being shifted from the best school to an mediocre school

And, guess what? If those kids get rezoned to that “mediocre school”, they will be just fine, or even better. They might get to be the big fish in the pond. It is not the end of the world.

My kid graduated from one of those “mediocre schools”. She is now at a top 25 university. Had she gone to Langley, Oakton or Mclean, she would have had more competition in the admission process. Some might think her “mediocre school” did not prepare her well, this was not her experience. She is working her rear off, and getting good grades. Yes, there were few students taking advanced courses at her high school, but they were a tightknit group, and they supported each other. Not cut throat at all.

There were also fewer sections of advanced courses, but it all worked out in the end. Many universities want your kids to take those super advanced stem courses on their campuses anyway.

We are zoned for WSHS but on a boundary line. Not one that's often talked about as moving to Lewis, but you never know. I have kids who will graduate in 2028 and 2032. I'm being totally honest that if my 2032 kid gets moved to Key/Lewis (with a decent amount of kids so he still has a friend group there) we would not complain and get invested in the school and I think it would really be fine. But I will be LIVID if my 2028 kid has to move schools as a rising junior. He is putting in so much work already with sports teams and club/leadership opportunities. And he has a good idea of the AP classes he wants to take through senior year. Moving kids at that point - which the school board left as a very real possibility - is criminal.

100%. I'm in a very similar boat and agree with you. I could support a measured approach. Moving kids between 10th and 11th grade is absolutely callous. I feel like there are extremes om both sides of this argument, people who don't want boundaries touched at all and those who want kids moved yesterday, consequences be darned.

Yeah, but then you are just advocating for boundary moves that don’t impact your kids. It’s gross.

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The majority of families don't care about boundary changes. Maybe on a forum like this, but the day-to-day, nope. People are more concerned about losing their jobs and paying for groceries. Some might even be worried about getting deported. School board crap, not at all.

The majority of parents DO care. They are just not aware. There is very little local news about this and most people assume their kids will stay where they are.

If you’re ensconced in the middle of a district, you don’t have to care. If you are zoned to a good high school surrounded by good schools, you don’t have to care. There are a very few terrible schools parents are worried about out and there is one situation where parents are looking and being shifted from the best school to an mediocre school

And, guess what? If those kids get rezoned to that “mediocre school”, they will be just fine, or even better. They might get to be the big fish in the pond. It is not the end of the world.

My kid graduated from one of those “mediocre schools”. She is now at a top 25 university. Had she gone to Langley, Oakton or Mclean, she would have had more competition in the admission process. Some might think her “mediocre school” did not prepare her well, this was not her experience. She is working her rear off, and getting good grades. Yes, there were few students taking advanced courses at her high school, but they were a tightknit group, and they supported each other. Not cut throat at all.

There were also fewer sections of advanced courses, but it all worked out in the end. Many universities want your kids to take those super advanced stem courses on their campuses anyway.

We are zoned for WSHS but on a boundary line. Not one that's often talked about as moving to Lewis, but you never know. I have kids who will graduate in 2028 and 2032. I'm being totally honest that if my 2032 kid gets moved to Key/Lewis (with a decent amount of kids so he still has a friend group there) we would not complain and get invested in the school and I think it would really be fine. But I will be LIVID if my 2028 kid has to move schools as a rising junior. He is putting in so much work already with sports teams and club/leadership opportunities. And he has a good idea of the AP classes he wants to take through senior year. Moving kids at that point - which the school board left as a very real possibility - is criminal.

100%. I'm in a very similar boat and agree with you. I could support a measured approach. Moving kids between 10th and 11th grade is absolutely callous. I feel like there are extremes om both sides of this argument, people who don't want boundaries touched at all and those who want kids moved yesterday, consequences be darned.

Yeah, but then you are just advocating for boundary moves that don’t impact your kids. It’s gross.

Um, no. I have a younger child that would be impacted in middle school. I am 100% advocating for FCPS to not screw over rising juniors. If something is “gross,” it’s forcibly moving kids at a critical juncture.

[Anonymous]

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The majority of families don't care about boundary changes. Maybe on a forum like this, but the day-to-day, nope. People are more concerned about losing their jobs and paying for groceries. Some might even be worried about getting deported. School board crap, not at all.

The majority of parents DO care. They are just not aware. There is very little local news about this and most people assume their kids will stay where they are.

If you’re ensconced in the middle of a district, you don’t have to care. If you are zoned to a good high school surrounded by good schools, you don’t have to care. There are a very few terrible schools parents are worried about out and there is one situation where parents are looking and being shifted from the best school to an mediocre school

And, guess what? If those kids get rezoned to that “mediocre school”, they will be just fine, or even better. They might get to be the big fish in the pond. It is not the end of the world.

My kid graduated from one of those “mediocre schools”. She is now at a top 25 university. Had she gone to Langley, Oakton or Mclean, she would have had more competition in the admission process. Some might think her “mediocre school” did not prepare her well, this was not her experience. She is working her rear off, and getting good grades. Yes, there were few students taking advanced courses at her high school, but they were a tightknit group, and they supported each other. Not cut throat at all.

There were also fewer sections of advanced courses, but it all worked out in the end. Many universities want your kids to take those super advanced stem courses on their campuses anyway.

We are zoned for WSHS but on a boundary line. Not one that's often talked about as moving to Lewis, but you never know. I have kids who will graduate in 2028 and 2032. I'm being totally honest that if my 2032 kid gets moved to Key/Lewis (with a decent amount of kids so he still has a friend group there) we would not complain and get invested in the school and I think it would really be fine. But I will be LIVID if my 2028 kid has to move schools as a rising junior. He is putting in so much work already with sports teams and club/leadership opportunities. And he has a good idea of the AP classes he wants to take through senior year. Moving kids at that point - which the school board left as a very real possibility - is criminal.

100%. I'm in a very similar boat and agree with you. I could support a measured approach. Moving kids between 10th and 11th grade is absolutely callous. I feel like there are extremes om both sides of this argument, people who don't want boundaries touched at all and those who want kids moved yesterday, consequences be darned.

Yeah, but then you are just advocating for boundary moves that don’t impact your kids. It’s gross.

There is one person on here that keeps saying "it's gross" lol when people state their opinion...everytime.

This person CLEARLY said it would effect their second child. I think k the idea of gradfathering is a very measured, sensible approach. Not unlimited grandfathering, but grandfathering based on specific ages/grades.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

The majority of families don't care about boundary changes. Maybe on a forum like this, but the day-to-day, nope. People are more concerned about losing their jobs and paying for groceries. Some might even be worried about getting deported. School board crap, not at all.

The majority of parents DO care. They are just not aware. There is very little local news about this and most people assume their kids will stay where they are.

If you’re ensconced in the middle of a district, you don’t have to care. If you are zoned to a good high school surrounded by good schools, you don’t have to care. There are a very few terrible schools parents are worried about out and there is one situation where parents are looking and being shifted from the best school to an mediocre school

And, guess what? If those kids get rezoned to that “mediocre school”, they will be just fine, or even better. They might get to be the big fish in the pond. It is not the end of the world.

My kid graduated from one of those “mediocre schools”. She is now at a top 25 university. Had she gone to Langley, Oakton or Mclean, she would have had more competition in the admission process. Some might think her “mediocre school” did not prepare her well, this was not her experience. She is working her rear off, and getting good grades. Yes, there were few students taking advanced courses at her high school, but they were a tightknit group, and they supported each other. Not cut throat at all.

There were also fewer sections of advanced courses, but it all worked out in the end. Many universities want your kids to take those super advanced stem courses on their campuses anyway.

We are zoned for WSHS but on a boundary line. Not one that's often talked about as moving to Lewis, but you never know. I have kids who will graduate in 2028 and 2032. I'm being totally honest that if my 2032 kid gets moved to Key/Lewis (with a decent amount of kids so he still has a friend group there) we would not complain and get invested in the school and I think it would really be fine. But I will be LIVID if my 2028 kid has to move schools as a rising junior. He is putting in so much work already with sports teams and club/leadership opportunities. And he has a good idea of the AP classes he wants to take through senior year. Moving kids at that point - which the school board left as a very real possibility - is criminal.

100%. I'm in a very similar boat and agree with you. I could support a measured approach. Moving kids between 10th and 11th grade is absolutely callous. I feel like there are extremes om both sides of this argument, people who don't want boundaries touched at all and those who want kids moved yesterday, consequences be darned.

Yeah, but then you are just advocating for boundary moves that don’t impact your kids. It’s gross.

Did you read these at all? We all put forward the, I think, very moderate view that we're willing to have our younger kids moved to a different high school, but not our kids who are in the middle of high school. I can't think of anything less "gross" than that.

[Anonymous]

"Gross" are those who want to increase their property values at the cost of kids stuck in unfavorable facilities and low-quality programs. Talk about cognitive dissonance. That group is likely to otherwise support free markets and small government intervention, yet in this case are desperately seeking for the school system to continue enacting policies that inflate and protect their real estate investments. It's all written in the MGT consultant survey comments. It's hard to empathize with those who only have dollar signs in their eyes.

[Anonymous]

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The majority of families don't care about boundary changes. Maybe on a forum like this, but the day-to-day, nope. People are more concerned about losing their jobs and paying for groceries. Some might even be worried about getting deported. School board crap, not at all.

The majority of parents DO care. They are just not aware. There is very little local news about this and most people assume their kids will stay where they are.

If you’re ensconced in the middle of a district, you don’t have to care. If you are zoned to a good high school surrounded by good schools, you don’t have to care. There are a very few terrible schools parents are worried about out and there is one situation where parents are looking and being shifted from the best school to an mediocre school

And, guess what? If those kids get rezoned to that “mediocre school”, they will be just fine, or even better. They might get to be the big fish in the pond. It is not the end of the world.

My kid graduated from one of those “mediocre schools”. She is now at a top 25 university. Had she gone to Langley, Oakton or Mclean, she would have had more competition in the admission process. Some might think her “mediocre school” did not prepare her well, this was not her experience. She is working her rear off, and getting good grades. Yes, there were few students taking advanced courses at her high school, but they were a tightknit group, and they supported each other. Not cut throat at all.

There were also fewer sections of advanced courses, but it all worked out in the end. Many universities want your kids to take those super advanced stem courses on their campuses anyway.

We are zoned for WSHS but on a boundary line. Not one that's often talked about as moving to Lewis, but you never know. I have kids who will graduate in 2028 and 2032. I'm being totally honest that if my 2032 kid gets moved to Key/Lewis (with a decent amount of kids so he still has a friend group there) we would not complain and get invested in the school and I think it would really be fine. But I will be LIVID if my 2028 kid has to move schools as a rising junior. He is putting in so much work already with sports teams and club/leadership opportunities. And he has a good idea of the AP classes he wants to take through senior year. Moving kids at that point - which the school board left as a very real possibility - is criminal.

100%. I'm in a very similar boat and agree with you. I could support a measured approach. Moving kids between 10th and 11th grade is absolutely callous. I feel like there are extremes om both sides of this argument, people who don't want boundaries touched at all and those who want kids moved yesterday, consequences be darned.

Yeah, but then you are just advocating for boundary moves that don’t impact your kids. It’s gross.

Did you read these at all? We all put forward the, I think, very moderate view that we're willing to have our younger kids moved to a different high school, but not our kids who are in the middle of high school. I can't think of anything less "gross" than that.

No, the "it's gross" person doesn't actually read/comprehend any of the nuanced conversations it appears.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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The majority of families don't care about boundary changes. Maybe on a forum like this, but the day-to-day, nope. People are more concerned about losing their jobs and paying for groceries. Some might even be worried about getting deported. School board crap, not at all.

The majority of parents DO care. They are just not aware. There is very little local news about this and most people assume their kids will stay where they are.

If you’re ensconced in the middle of a district, you don’t have to care. If you are zoned to a good high school surrounded by good schools, you don’t have to care. There are a very few terrible schools parents are worried about out and there is one situation where parents are looking and being shifted from the best school to an mediocre school

And, guess what? If those kids get rezoned to that “mediocre school”, they will be just fine, or even better. They might get to be the big fish in the pond. It is not the end of the world.

My kid graduated from one of those “mediocre schools”. She is now at a top 25 university. Had she gone to Langley, Oakton or Mclean, she would have had more competition in the admission process. Some might think her “mediocre school” did not prepare her well, this was not her experience. She is working her rear off, and getting good grades. Yes, there were few students taking advanced courses at her high school, but they were a tightknit group, and they supported each other. Not cut throat at all.

There were also fewer sections of advanced courses, but it all worked out in the end. Many universities want your kids to take those super advanced stem courses on their campuses anyway.

We are zoned for WSHS but on a boundary line. Not one that's often talked about as moving to Lewis, but you never know. I have kids who will graduate in 2028 and 2032. I'm being totally honest that if my 2032 kid gets moved to Key/Lewis (with a decent amount of kids so he still has a friend group there) we would not complain and get invested in the school and I think it would really be fine. But I will be LIVID if my 2028 kid has to move schools as a rising junior. He is putting in so much work already with sports teams and club/leadership opportunities. And he has a good idea of the AP classes he wants to take through senior year. Moving kids at that point - which the school board left as a very real possibility - is criminal.

100%. I'm in a very similar boat and agree with you. I could support a measured approach. Moving kids between 10th and 11th grade is absolutely callous. I feel like there are extremes om both sides of this argument, people who don't want boundaries touched at all and those who want kids moved yesterday, consequences be darned.

Yeah, but then you are just advocating for boundary moves that don’t impact your kids. It’s gross.

There is one person on here that keeps saying "it's gross" lol when people state their opinion...everytime.

This person CLEARLY said it would effect their second child. I think k the idea of gradfathering is a very measured, sensible approach. Not unlimited grandfathering, but grandfathering based on specific ages/grades.

DP. Grandfathering is clearly preferable to not grandfathering, but why capitulate on whether boundary changes are necessary at the HS level? Where are the situations really so acute that they need to change those boundaries, with overall enrollments flat now and a potential future decline in student enrollment?

https://www.imissioninstitute.org/nonprofit-marketing/the-enrollment-cliff-a-looming-challenge-for-k-12-schools-in-america/#:~:text=Understanding%20the%20Enrollment%20Cliff,students%20from%202019%20to%202030.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"Gross" are those who want to increase their property values at the cost of kids stuck in unfavorable facilities and low-quality programs. Talk about cognitive dissonance. That group is likely to otherwise support free markets and small government intervention, yet in this case are desperately seeking for the school system to continue enacting policies that inflate and protect their real estate investments. It's all written in the MGT consultant survey comments. It's hard to empathize with those who only have dollar signs in their eyes.

You have that on reverse, btw.

The people wanting to increase their property values at the expense of other people's kids are the ones who bought in what tgey knew was a lower performing school district, and now see rezoning other people's kids as a way to raise their own property values.

They don't mind harming kids or other people's property values, as long as harming kids increases their own property values.