[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The common theme seems to be that she hasn't made a sensical decision throughout the entire process.
Also, having an affair isn't a crime. So regardless of any "conspiracy" if they had hooked up before, it's not unreasonable to believe that they would hook up after. It doesn't require a conspiracy to see that. [/quote] She’s not on trial because she hooked up with BB. She’s on trial because she killed a man and it is hard to see how it’s justified. She wakes up in the middle of the night and JR is in her room? Sure. She saves CB’s life and CB confirms that without the Au pair’s action, she would’ve died, because JR had BB in a chokehold or something? Sure. But here, the Au pair sought out the situation and then - even though BB was armed and had already shot JR - she runs to a safe, grabs another gun and fatally shoots JR? And ends up not “saving” anyone’s life anyway? She made a dumb decision to use lethal force and she should go to prison for it. [/quote] Or, the guy who had apparently just stabbed a woman in the neck was moving towards her and her husband who was focused on rendering aide.[/quote] Sure, anything is possible. So walk us through this. JR has been shot and - per an expert - blinded. Blood is pouring down his face. The Au pair comes to the room to save the day. In your scenario, he “moves toward her.” Does he follow her as she runs from the doorway to the gun safe? He can’t see, so is he following her scent? I guess there’d be a trail of blood backing this up?[/quote] I think it was established JR was on the ground when shot by the au pair.[/quote] He’s shot, but not stopped in that he is clearly still alive. The husband can’t both cover him and tend to his bleeding wife. He tells the au pair to get his gun from the safe, cover the guy, and [b]if he so much as moves, to shoot him[/b]. She gets the gun, husband focuses on wife, guy moves (who knows for what purpose) and she shoots.[/quote] The law does not allow you to shoot and kill someone just because they "move." That may be what your imaginary set up is... but that's not how the law works. Even if we assume that JR was a threat to CB prior to JR being shot IN THE HEAD... you don't get to shoot him again just to make sure he's dead. Once JR is no longer a threat (not that he ever was... but just giving the shooters the benefit of the doubt for arguments sake), any additional bullets shot into his body = 2nd degree murder (or 1st degree murder). BB's instructions do NOT change that. AP was responsible for making her own decisions about when it was necessary to stop a threat. The jury will consider what a "reasonable person" in AP's position would think about JR being a threat to anyone's safety. If, after being SHOT IN THE HEAD, the injured JR moves about in pain, perhaps trying to get away from the person holding a knife or the person who shot him already -- those acts of moving do NOT justify AP's decision to shoot him again. She's going to have to establish that she REASONABLY believed JR was still a thread to her after he was shot in the head and on the ground. That is going to be a very high burden. If AP simply says that BB told her to shoot JR if he moves, and JR then moved in some small way-- AP is guilty of 2nd degree murder. JR is not a spider that you can keep stepping on until you are sure it is dead. JR is a person -- who is entitled to keep living, so long as he is not creating an IMMINENT threat to the life of someone else. |
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He’s shot, but not stopped in that he is clearly still alive. The husband can’t both cover him and tend to his bleeding wife. He tells the au pair to get his gun from the safe, cover the guy, and [b]if he so much as moves, to shoot him[/b]. She gets the gun, husband focuses on wife, guy moves (who knows for what purpose) and she shoots.[/quote] _____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ The law does not allow you to shoot and kill someone just because they "move." That may be what your imaginary set up is... but that's not how the law works. Even if we assume that JR was a threat to CB prior to JR being shot IN THE HEAD... you don't get to shoot him again just to make sure he's dead. Once JR is no longer a threat (not that he ever was... but just giving the shooters the benefit of the doubt for arguments sake), any additional bullets shot into his body = 2nd degree murder (or 1st degree murder). BB's instructions do NOT change that. AP was responsible for making her own decisions about when it was necessary to stop a threat. The jury will consider what a "reasonable person" in AP's position would think about JR being a threat to anyone's safety. If, after being SHOT IN THE HEAD, the injured JR moves about in pain, perhaps trying to get away from the person holding a knife or the person who shot him already -- those acts of moving do NOT justify AP's decision to shoot him again. She's going to have to establish that she REASONABLY believed JR was still a threat to her after he was shot in the head and on the ground. That is going to be a very high burden. If AP simply says that BB told her to shoot JR if he moves, and JR then moved in some small way-- AP is guilty of 2nd degree murder. JR is not a spider that you can keep stepping on until you are sure it is dead. JR is a person -- who is entitled to keep living, so long as he is not creating an IMMINENT threat to the life of someone else. [/quote] |
What time is the hearing on the 18th to set the date for trial? |
9am |
There has been ZERO evidence shared by the police or the courts on who stabbed CB and which order the shoot/stabbing occurred. Prosecutors have to prove that JR wasn't a threat, which is much harder if he is the stabber. AP has a decent self-defense claim, since JR was larger and more physically fit, and the medical examiner has already testified in the prelim that she that JR could potentially see and move. It's also much more likely that JR was the stabber, because BB would have to be insanely quick to shoot JR, pickup the knife, and stab CB, all before AP entered. Why wouldn't CB resist if BB picked up the knife and came at her? She's much less likely to defend against JR, who was already using the knife on her for playtime, and was standing right next to her. She wouldn't expect that he'd actually cut her in anger. It's just as likely that JR got infuriated, cut CB, and then tried to attack BB, who shot him, and went to his wife. AP then enters the room, freaks out, starts to call 911, see's JR still trying to move, gets the other gun for safety, and ends up shooting him when he goes for the knife again. The 911 call hangups is also potentially in her favor, since it shows she wanted to call police, but was probably freaking out at the situation. If we can hear the second call, it might give some idea into her state of mind, but it's logical she'd be panicking heavily. Initial reports said that she was barely able to say "My friend is hurt", and BB had to give directions to the house. |
No, pal. Just no. Once JR was shot IN THE HEAD, it really doesn't matter if he had stabbed CB or not. (Although, you have quite the flare for fantasy.) There is no evidence that JR was holding a knife after he was shot. (most likely b/c he was in excruciating pain from taking a bullet to the eye/head) There is no evidence that AP or anyone was in IMMINENT risk of serious bodily harm from JR. The most that we know about AP's version of events is that JR "moved" while he was on the ground. Who knows what will come out at trial -- but it's going to take a LOT for AP to convince a jury that she was reasonable in believing that JR posed an imminent threat to her or others. I don't think she can do that without taking the stand and testifying that JR was coming at her or BB. Even then, the jury will rely on their common sense and the testimony of medical experts about what JR was experiencing and capable of doing with a bullet in his eye/head. Even if JR had, in fact, stabbed CB, that still doesn't give AP the right to shoot him dead if he has already been injured enough that he poses no additional threat. |
“I've been called worse things by better people.” ― Pierre Trudeau I stand by the Chaucer reference.. "Read a *&%^(ing book for once". ― Mclovin . |
JR was a violent psycho drug addict deviant. He got off on cutting his victims and playing with blood. He went too far this time. Glad he’s dead and I hope he suffered. |
Oh BB’s mom…. |
I disagree. She can’t have it both ways - she’s “too freaked out” to call 911, but is calm and collected enough to open a gun safe and shoot a man point blank? I wonder if the jury will be able to consider the fact that she voluntarily put herself in that room as part of their deliberation on whether it was self-defense. Like, JR wouldn’t have been a threat to her at all if she had just, I dunno, left the residence. |
Big Mama is big mad. |
Joes hoes are big mad he dead. |
Big mad and big transparent. |
reasonable people are mad that he was gunned down in cold blood. Don't worry this shows all the hallmarks of the perfect crime. I'd be depressed and driving like a dufus at the prospect of going to prison too. tick tok till the ap tells all. . |
Gunned down in cold blood? He killed Christine Banfield with a knife and then tried to attack her husband. |