Gaza War, Part 3

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Dirty k!kes are killing babies and committing genocide. From the river to the sea!

I agree that this post should stay. PPs, some of your friends happily say the quiet part out loud, and many of you have forgetting to whisper.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Dirty k!kes are killing babies and committing genocide. From the river to the sea!

This post shouldn't be deleted, we should be able to see what people are really thinking out there.

True. And to think that's the new base of the Democratic Party.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Israel is now either indiscriminately killing civilians or intentionally targeting women and children. I’d find it very hard to live with myself if I were Jewish and knew that the “Jewish state” stood for little now other than savagery and perpetrating a 21st Century genocide. The shame certainly must be overwhelming for many and more killing by the IDF butchers isn’t going to make it go away.

This is so true.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Dirty k!kes are killing babies and committing genocide. From the river to the sea!

This post shouldn't be deleted, we should be able to see what people are really thinking out there.

Jewish people cherry picked Palestine because they were too afraid to hold Germany and Poland accountable.

[Anonymous]

Picture this: Your daughter is taken from you in a raid from a Taylor Swift concert that you were so excited to go to. She is taken in a van deep into a place and you have no idea where. Probably in a dark tunnel with hardly food, is potentially being assaulted, and probably drugged. She doesn't see light for close to three months. You are still at home wondering where she is, if she's alive, and with every passing day you fear for the worst. You can't sleep, you can barely eat with worry. What should your government do to help you? The people who took her are threatening to do it again and again and again. How should your government respond? The people who took her dress like civilians and don't care about how many people die. In fact, they encourage civilian death because this helps their cause. You daughter is wasting away. Your daughter is dying. Your daughter fears for her life every minute. Hope is fading for all.

Genocide is an interesting term that has been coopted. Actually, I'm frustrated by the fact that many things go unreported or the reporting is distorted. Among them the following:

In general the civilian : combatant ratio os 50/50. This has been true for centuries. In this war, it is closer to 61-63%/39%-37%. More children are dying that usual because of the way that the combatants have embedded themselves in the society. Yet still, that is not crazy far off the mark of all wars throughout all centuries.

When was the last time you heard casualties that counted terrorists in them. 20K people have been killed is the mantra. But if you use the stats then 13-14K are civilians and 6-7K are combatants. Why are we constantly conflating them in this war only?

Missiles are still raining down on Israel. The iron dome negates most of them but not all. Some still fly into bedrooms, living rooms, cars. All of them bring debris raining down indescriminantly from the sky. Shrapnel is everywhere, hitting anything.

13,000 missiles have been shot from Gaza. 2,000 of them have misfired and fallen back down into Gaza creating some of the havoc that we are seeing (clearly Israel is doing more damage), but some of the damage and death is attributable to that.

You can dismiss all of this as zionistic pr or you can take a minute and absorb that not everything is shameful unless it's shameful for all of humanity because no one is innocent in this.

Except the children. All the children on both sides are innocent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Picture this: Your daughter is taken from you in a raid from a Taylor Swift concert that you were so excited to go to. She is taken in a van deep into a place and you have no idea where. Probably in a dark tunnel with hardly food, is potentially being assaulted, and probably drugged. She doesn't see light for close to three months. You are still at home wondering where she is, if she's alive, and with every passing day you fear for the worst. You can't sleep, you can barely eat with worry. What should your government do to help you? The people who took her are threatening to do it again and again and again. How should your government respond? The people who took her dress like civilians and don't care about how many people die. In fact, they encourage civilian death because this helps their cause. You daughter is wasting away. Your daughter is dying. Your daughter fears for her life every minute. Hope is fading for all.

Genocide is an interesting term that has been coopted. Actually, I'm frustrated by the fact that many things go unreported or the reporting is distorted. Among them the following:

In general the civilian : combatant ratio os 50/50. This has been true for centuries. In this war, it is closer to 61-63%/39%-37%. More children are dying that usual because of the way that the combatants have embedded themselves in the society. Yet still, that is not crazy far off the mark of all wars throughout all centuries.

When was the last time you heard casualties that counted terrorists in them. 20K people have been killed is the mantra. But if you use the stats then 13-14K are civilians and 6-7K are combatants. Why are we constantly conflating them in this war only?

Missiles are still raining down on Israel. The iron dome negates most of them but not all. Some still fly into bedrooms, living rooms, cars. All of them bring debris raining down indescriminantly from the sky. Shrapnel is everywhere, hitting anything.

13,000 missiles have been shot from Gaza. 2,000 of them have misfired and fallen back down into Gaza creating some of the havoc that we are seeing (clearly Israel is doing more damage), but some of the damage and death is attributable to that.

You can dismiss all of this as zionistic pr or you can take a minute and absorb that not everything is shameful unless it's shameful for all of humanity because no one is innocent in this.

Except the children. All the children on both sides are innocent.

Thank you for writing this. It made me cry and it needed to be said.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Picture this: Your daughter is taken from you in a raid from a Taylor Swift concert that you were so excited to go to. She is taken in a van deep into a place and you have no idea where. Probably in a dark tunnel with hardly food, is potentially being assaulted, and probably drugged. She doesn't see light for close to three months. You are still at home wondering where she is, if she's alive, and with every passing day you fear for the worst. You can't sleep, you can barely eat with worry. What should your government do to help you? The people who took her are threatening to do it again and again and again. How should your government respond? The people who took her dress like civilians and don't care about how many people die. In fact, they encourage civilian death because this helps their cause. You daughter is wasting away. Your daughter is dying. Your daughter fears for her life every minute. Hope is fading for all.

Genocide is an interesting term that has been coopted. Actually, I'm frustrated by the fact that many things go unreported or the reporting is distorted. Among them the following:

In general the civilian : combatant ratio os 50/50. This has been true for centuries. In this war, it is closer to 61-63%/39%-37%. More children are dying that usual because of the way that the combatants have embedded themselves in the society. Yet still, that is not crazy far off the mark of all wars throughout all centuries.

When was the last time you heard casualties that counted terrorists in them. 20K people have been killed is the mantra. But if you use the stats then 13-14K are civilians and 6-7K are combatants. Why are we constantly conflating them in this war only?

Missiles are still raining down on Israel. The iron dome negates most of them but not all. Some still fly into bedrooms, living rooms, cars. All of them bring debris raining down indescriminantly from the sky. Shrapnel is everywhere, hitting anything.

13,000 missiles have been shot from Gaza. 2,000 of them have misfired and fallen back down into Gaza creating some of the havoc that we are seeing (clearly Israel is doing more damage), but some of the damage and death is attributable to that.

You can dismiss all of this as zionistic pr or you can take a minute and absorb that not everything is shameful unless it's shameful for all of humanity because no one is innocent in this.

Except the children. All the children on both sides are innocent.

How would it feel to have the IDF murder your child while they were waving a white flag and trying to get help?

I do agree with the bolded though. No one is pro-hamas, because they are terrorists. But its ok to not be pro-israel too, as they are inflicting a lot of damage on innocents. The 10,000 children killed in palestine and the 1,000 children taken horrifically at the concert are the real victims here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Over a hundred people were killed on Sunday in a strike on a residential neighborhood in Gaza. Israel admits they made a mistake:


The extensive damage caused by Israel's airstrike on the Maghazi refugee camp in Gaza on Sunday night was a mistake, according to an IDF military official who spoke to KAN news on Thursday morning.

The official told KAN that, following an internal IAF investigation, it came out that the type of weaponry used did not match the nature of the mission. As a result, there was extensive collateral damage that did not need to occur and could have been avoided if the correct weaponry had been used.

Dozens of innocent civilians were killed in this strike, KAN said, adding a report that the IDF had expressed regret over the incident.


https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/death-toll-from-israeli-airstrike-in-central-gaza-rises-to-106-palestinian-officials-say
https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-779836

My grandfather was in the US Air Force in 1944. They were assigned to bomb a Japanese weapons depot in New Guinea. One of their own planes sent its payload at the wrong time and my grandfather's plane was caught in the explosion. Everyone onboard was killed instantly.

My mother was three months old. He never met her. His family fell apart after his death.

This story is nothing compared to what other families have faced then and now, but I mention it because it taught me one lesson early, and perhaps it's one some of you need to hear: war is messy and casual and cruel. A lot of victorious noble deaths are anything but. War isn't sane. Bullets and bombs don't only hit bad people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Picture this: Your daughter is taken from you in a raid from a Taylor Swift concert that you were so excited to go to. She is taken in a van deep into a place and you have no idea where. Probably in a dark tunnel with hardly food, is potentially being assaulted, and probably drugged. She doesn't see light for close to three months. You are still at home wondering where she is, if she's alive, and with every passing day you fear for the worst. You can't sleep, you can barely eat with worry. What should your government do to help you? The people who took her are threatening to do it again and again and again. How should your government respond? The people who took her dress like civilians and don't care about how many people die. In fact, they encourage civilian death because this helps their cause. You daughter is wasting away. Your daughter is dying. Your daughter fears for her life every minute. Hope is fading for all.

Genocide is an interesting term that has been coopted. Actually, I'm frustrated by the fact that many things go unreported or the reporting is distorted. Among them the following:

In general the civilian : combatant ratio os 50/50. This has been true for centuries. In this war, it is closer to 61-63%/39%-37%. More children are dying that usual because of the way that the combatants have embedded themselves in the society. Yet still, that is not crazy far off the mark of all wars throughout all centuries.

When was the last time you heard casualties that counted terrorists in them. 20K people have been killed is the mantra. But if you use the stats then 13-14K are civilians and 6-7K are combatants. Why are we constantly conflating them in this war only?

Missiles are still raining down on Israel. The iron dome negates most of them but not all. Some still fly into bedrooms, living rooms, cars. All of them bring debris raining down indescriminantly from the sky. Shrapnel is everywhere, hitting anything.

13,000 missiles have been shot from Gaza. 2,000 of them have misfired and fallen back down into Gaza creating some of the havoc that we are seeing (clearly Israel is doing more damage), but some of the damage and death is attributable to that.

You can dismiss all of this as zionistic pr or you can take a minute and absorb that not everything is shameful unless it's shameful for all of humanity because no one is innocent in this.

Except the children. All the children on both sides are innocent.

How would it feel to have the IDF murder your child while they were waving a white flag and trying to get help?

I do agree with the bolded though. No one is pro-hamas, because they are terrorists. But its ok to not be pro-israel too, as they are inflicting a lot of damage on innocents. The 10,000 children killed in palestine and the 1,000 children taken horrifically at the concert are the real victims here.

The issue is though that people are brining into the conversation their long term and/or priority goals--changing or dismanteling the state of Israel and/or punishing Jews for stuff that happened in the 1940s, and conflating them with the current conflict. Don't tell me to be concerned about the children then also tell me I must think Israel is evil.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Picture this: Your daughter is taken from you in a raid from a Taylor Swift concert that you were so excited to go to. She is taken in a van deep into a place and you have no idea where. Probably in a dark tunnel with hardly food, is potentially being assaulted, and probably drugged. She doesn't see light for close to three months. You are still at home wondering where she is, if she's alive, and with every passing day you fear for the worst. You can't sleep, you can barely eat with worry. What should your government do to help you? The people who took her are threatening to do it again and again and again. How should your government respond? The people who took her dress like civilians and don't care about how many people die. In fact, they encourage civilian death because this helps their cause. You daughter is wasting away. Your daughter is dying. Your daughter fears for her life every minute. Hope is fading for all.

Genocide is an interesting term that has been coopted. Actually, I'm frustrated by the fact that many things go unreported or the reporting is distorted. Among them the following:

In general the civilian : combatant ratio os 50/50. This has been true for centuries. In this war, it is closer to 61-63%/39%-37%. More children are dying that usual because of the way that the combatants have embedded themselves in the society. Yet still, that is not crazy far off the mark of all wars throughout all centuries.

When was the last time you heard casualties that counted terrorists in them. 20K people have been killed is the mantra. But if you use the stats then 13-14K are civilians and 6-7K are combatants. Why are we constantly conflating them in this war only?

Missiles are still raining down on Israel. The iron dome negates most of them but not all. Some still fly into bedrooms, living rooms, cars. All of them bring debris raining down indescriminantly from the sky. Shrapnel is everywhere, hitting anything.

13,000 missiles have been shot from Gaza. 2,000 of them have misfired and fallen back down into Gaza creating some of the havoc that we are seeing (clearly Israel is doing more damage), but some of the damage and death is attributable to that.

You can dismiss all of this as zionistic pr or you can take a minute and absorb that not everything is shameful unless it's shameful for all of humanity because no one is innocent in this.

Except the children. All the children on both sides are innocent.

How would it feel to have the IDF murder your child while they were waving a white flag and trying to get help?

I do agree with the bolded though. No one is pro-hamas, because they are terrorists. But its ok to not be pro-israel too, as they are inflicting a lot of damage on innocents. The 10,000 children killed in palestine and the 1,000 children taken horrifically at the concert are the real victims here.

The issue is though that people are brining into the conversation their long term and/or priority goals--changing or dismanteling the state of Israel and/or punishing Jews for stuff that happened in the 1940s, and conflating them with the current conflict. Don't tell me to be concerned about the children then also tell me I must think Israel is evil.

I'm certainly not, though I dont doubt its happening. So few pro-israel posters will even acknowledge these deaths. So few pro-israel posters will admit that israel is committing war crimes. They were justified in a defence, but this is no longer defence, it is criminal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Picture this: Your daughter is taken from you in a raid from a Taylor Swift concert that you were so excited to go to. She is taken in a van deep into a place and you have no idea where. Probably in a dark tunnel with hardly food, is potentially being assaulted, and probably drugged. She doesn't see light for close to three months. You are still at home wondering where she is, if she's alive, and with every passing day you fear for the worst. You can't sleep, you can barely eat with worry. What should your government do to help you? The people who took her are threatening to do it again and again and again. How should your government respond? The people who took her dress like civilians and don't care about how many people die. In fact, they encourage civilian death because this helps their cause. You daughter is wasting away. Your daughter is dying. Your daughter fears for her life every minute. Hope is fading for all.

Genocide is an interesting term that has been coopted. Actually, I'm frustrated by the fact that many things go unreported or the reporting is distorted. Among them the following:

In general the civilian : combatant ratio os 50/50. This has been true for centuries. In this war, it is closer to 61-63%/39%-37%. More children are dying that usual because of the way that the combatants have embedded themselves in the society. Yet still, that is not crazy far off the mark of all wars throughout all centuries.

When was the last time you heard casualties that counted terrorists in them. 20K people have been killed is the mantra. But if you use the stats then 13-14K are civilians and 6-7K are combatants. Why are we constantly conflating them in this war only?

Missiles are still raining down on Israel. The iron dome negates most of them but not all. Some still fly into bedrooms, living rooms, cars. All of them bring debris raining down indescriminantly from the sky. Shrapnel is everywhere, hitting anything.

13,000 missiles have been shot from Gaza. 2,000 of them have misfired and fallen back down into Gaza creating some of the havoc that we are seeing (clearly Israel is doing more damage), but some of the damage and death is attributable to that.

You can dismiss all of this as zionistic pr or you can take a minute and absorb that not everything is shameful unless it's shameful for all of humanity because no one is innocent in this.

Except the children. All the children on both sides are innocent.

How would it feel to have the IDF murder your child while they were waving a white flag and trying to get help?

I do agree with the bolded though. No one is pro-hamas, because they are terrorists. But its ok to not be pro-israel too, as they are inflicting a lot of damage on innocents. The 10,000 children killed in palestine and the 1,000 children taken horrifically at the concert are the real victims here.

The issue is though that people are brining into the conversation their long term and/or priority goals--changing or dismanteling the state of Israel and/or punishing Jews for stuff that happened in the 1940s, and conflating them with the current conflict. Don't tell me to be concerned about the children then also tell me I must think Israel is evil.

I'm certainly not, though I dont doubt its happening. So few pro-israel posters will even acknowledge these deaths. So few pro-israel posters will admit that israel is committing war crimes. They were justified in a defence, but this is no longer defence, it is criminal.

No it's not. It's horrific. It's an atrocity. It's wrong--no one anywhere can argue the death of children is right.

But it's also understandable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Picture this: Your daughter is taken from you in a raid from a Taylor Swift concert that you were so excited to go to. She is taken in a van deep into a place and you have no idea where. Probably in a dark tunnel with hardly food, is potentially being assaulted, and probably drugged. She doesn't see light for close to three months. You are still at home wondering where she is, if she's alive, and with every passing day you fear for the worst. You can't sleep, you can barely eat with worry. What should your government do to help you? The people who took her are threatening to do it again and again and again. How should your government respond? The people who took her dress like civilians and don't care about how many people die. In fact, they encourage civilian death because this helps their cause. You daughter is wasting away. Your daughter is dying. Your daughter fears for her life every minute. Hope is fading for all.

Genocide is an interesting term that has been coopted. Actually, I'm frustrated by the fact that many things go unreported or the reporting is distorted. Among them the following:

In general the civilian : combatant ratio os 50/50. This has been true for centuries. In this war, it is closer to 61-63%/39%-37%. More children are dying that usual because of the way that the combatants have embedded themselves in the society. Yet still, that is not crazy far off the mark of all wars throughout all centuries.

When was the last time you heard casualties that counted terrorists in them. 20K people have been killed is the mantra. But if you use the stats then 13-14K are civilians and 6-7K are combatants. Why are we constantly conflating them in this war only?

Missiles are still raining down on Israel. The iron dome negates most of them but not all. Some still fly into bedrooms, living rooms, cars. All of them bring debris raining down indescriminantly from the sky. Shrapnel is everywhere, hitting anything.

13,000 missiles have been shot from Gaza. 2,000 of them have misfired and fallen back down into Gaza creating some of the havoc that we are seeing (clearly Israel is doing more damage), but some of the damage and death is attributable to that.

You can dismiss all of this as zionistic pr or you can take a minute and absorb that not everything is shameful unless it's shameful for all of humanity because no one is innocent in this.

Except the children. All the children on both sides are innocent.

Well said.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Picture this: Your daughter is taken from you in a raid from a Taylor Swift concert that you were so excited to go to. She is taken in a van deep into a place and you have no idea where. Probably in a dark tunnel with hardly food, is potentially being assaulted, and probably drugged. She doesn't see light for close to three months. You are still at home wondering where she is, if she's alive, and with every passing day you fear for the worst. You can't sleep, you can barely eat with worry. What should your government do to help you? The people who took her are threatening to do it again and again and again. How should your government respond? The people who took her dress like civilians and don't care about how many people die. In fact, they encourage civilian death because this helps their cause. You daughter is wasting away. Your daughter is dying. Your daughter fears for her life every minute. Hope is fading for all.

Genocide is an interesting term that has been coopted. Actually, I'm frustrated by the fact that many things go unreported or the reporting is distorted. Among them the following:

In general the civilian : combatant ratio os 50/50. This has been true for centuries. In this war, it is closer to 61-63%/39%-37%. More children are dying that usual because of the way that the combatants have embedded themselves in the society. Yet still, that is not crazy far off the mark of all wars throughout all centuries.

When was the last time you heard casualties that counted terrorists in them. 20K people have been killed is the mantra. But if you use the stats then 13-14K are civilians and 6-7K are combatants. Why are we constantly conflating them in this war only?

Missiles are still raining down on Israel. The iron dome negates most of them but not all. Some still fly into bedrooms, living rooms, cars. All of them bring debris raining down indescriminantly from the sky. Shrapnel is everywhere, hitting anything.

13,000 missiles have been shot from Gaza. 2,000 of them have misfired and fallen back down into Gaza creating some of the havoc that we are seeing (clearly Israel is doing more damage), but some of the damage and death is attributable to that.

You can dismiss all of this as zionistic pr or you can take a minute and absorb that not everything is shameful unless it's shameful for all of humanity because no one is innocent in this.

Except the children. All the children on both sides are innocent.

I hear you and agree that there is a lot that is going unreported and a lot of people are forming anti-Israel opinions based on lack of information about a very complex situation.

I think the notion that Israel should not exist is not helpful and understandably interpreted as anti-semitism by Jewish people. We can't turn back the clock. We can only look towards the future, and that future includes the continued existence of Israel. I know people very sympathetic to Palestinians who refuse to join the pro-Palestinian protests because there are so many people in that camp who espouse hateful beliefs about the Jewish people.

What happened on October 7 was horrible. But what is Israel's endgame with this war? It seems like they are not going to destroy Hamas (more likely they are strengthening it). So is this just about vengeance? How many children need to be killed to satisfy Israel?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Over a hundred people were killed on Sunday in a strike on a residential neighborhood in Gaza. Israel admits they made a mistake:


The extensive damage caused by Israel's airstrike on the Maghazi refugee camp in Gaza on Sunday night was a mistake, according to an IDF military official who spoke to KAN news on Thursday morning.

The official told KAN that, following an internal IAF investigation, it came out that the type of weaponry used did not match the nature of the mission. As a result, there was extensive collateral damage that did not need to occur and could have been avoided if the correct weaponry had been used.

Dozens of innocent civilians were killed in this strike, KAN said, adding a report that the IDF had expressed regret over the incident.


https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/death-toll-from-israeli-airstrike-in-central-gaza-rises-to-106-palestinian-officials-say
https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-779836

My grandfather was in the US Air Force in 1944. They were assigned to bomb a Japanese weapons depot in New Guinea. One of their own planes sent its payload at the wrong time and my grandfather's plane was caught in the explosion. Everyone onboard was killed instantly.

My mother was three months old. He never met her. His family fell apart after his death.

This story is nothing compared to what other families have faced then and now, but I mention it because it taught me one lesson early, and perhaps it's one some of you need to hear: war is messy and casual and cruel. A lot of victorious noble deaths are anything but. War isn't sane. Bullets and bombs don't only hit bad people.

This is true. It’s why states must be responsible in the use of force. It means you only aim those bullets and drop those bombs at the bad people. Because if you can’t or won’t make that distinction, you are in fact “the bad people”.

[Anonymous]

Why is liberal media reporting only Israel's evil deeds?
How is it ok to omit all the Hamas and Palestinians' wrongdoings?