Gaza War, Part 3

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Anonymous wrote:And here we go again with the accusations of antisemitism and support for Hamas. How about addressing the fact that Israel is just indiscriminately killing innocent people?

You seem to forget they did not start this war. Like any other nation in the world, Israel is has the right to respond.

I’m pretty sure they did when they declared a state without inhabitant stakeholders agreeing….

Not quite what happened, unless “they” = the United Nations.

56% of the land, including 70% of the Med coastline and the strategic Gulf of Aqaba, and control over 80% of the fresh water supply in the region … for 31% of the population in the region, 2/3 of whom had immigrated from Eastern Europe in the previous 20 years. So around 10% of the indigenous population was gifted 56% of the land, most of the coastline, and nearly all of the freshwater.

What a plan? Amazing to think it led to such hard feelings amongst the locals!

And very cool that “the locals” responded by trying to annihilate their neighbors.

Those poor, innocent Palestinians! They committed 80 years of nonstop terrorism, all in violation of UN resolution and international law.

But none of that matters to their far left apologists, of course. It’s all Israel’s fault.

Oh, now you hold the U.N. in high regard? Are you sure you want to compare notes on U.N. violations?

Sure. Seeing as I don’t have a horse in this race.

My view: Palestinians started the conflict. Israel has behaved horribly since. Palestinians have been sh*theads throughout.

Is further elaboration really necessary?

I don’t think my essential view is that far removed from yours. I guess the main question I would have is, how did you end up leaning in the direction of placing blame on the side that is actually at risk of annihilation, and has been all along?

Three intellectual reasons and one emotional reason:

1. I believe that Palestinians created and perpetuated the conflict. They could have accepted 181 and had an autonomous and prosperous state. They had decent (not great or even good, but decent) offers since then. They’ve turned them all down and chosen ongoing conflict.

2. I believe that until 25 years ago, Israel was the side “at risk of annihilation”. That’s what Palestinians and many Arab states have been committed to since 1948.

3. I think that Israel has some strategic value to the US. If we have to choose a side, it’s in our interest to side with Israel.

4. Emotional. I remember Palestinians celebrating 9/11. I’ll never ever forget.

Again, all of the above is in the context of also acknowledging that Israel has behaved abominably in many ways.

Palestinians didn’t create the conflict. The Palestinians never wanted and even Hamas still doesn’t want to create a Muslim state there. You know why?

Churches, synagogues, and mosques were all side by side from Jerusalem to Nazareth to Gaza.

Jewish people didn’t come there creating a secular state ala the Brits or Turks. They wanted to create a Jewish state and the Christians and Muslims could go beat it.

Of course Palestinians created the conflict. They had a binary choice: accept 181 or launch a war.

They chose door #2.

Palestinians didn’t launch the 1948 war or ask for it . The Arab League launched a war against Israel and Palestinians were actually pissed about it because it meant more casualties and explosions for them. Jordan and Egypt occupied the West Bank and Gaza, Palestinians were not happy about those occupations either .

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Anonymous wrote:Has this organ theft conspiracy theory been indulged here for the last few hours while I was away? Seriously?

Humanity is doomed because too many of us are clearly just too bleeping stoooopid to survive.

Organ theft is a huge practice in Israel. It’s not a conspiracy I remember a bust in New Jersey a few years ago involving rabbis and organ trafficking.

OMFG. DCUM is now hosting blood libels. Nice place you have here, Jeff.

It’s not libel.

This was a big scandal back then. 3 NJ mayors and a bunch of rabbis were arrested for organ trafficking.

https://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/24/nyregion/24jersey.html

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Anonymous wrote:Has this organ theft conspiracy theory been indulged here for the last few hours while I was away? Seriously?

Humanity is doomed because too many of us are clearly just too bleeping stoooopid to survive.

Organ theft is a huge practice in Israel. It’s not a conspiracy I remember a bust in New Jersey a few years ago involving rabbis and organ trafficking.

OMFG. DCUM is now hosting blood libels. Nice place you have here, Jeff.

It’s not libel.

This was a big scandal back then. 3 NJ mayors and a bunch of rabbis were arrested for organ trafficking.

https://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/24/nyregion/24jersey.html

They were no stealing organs. They arranged for Israeli donors to sell their organs. Please show us information where organ theft is an issue in Israel.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Has this organ theft conspiracy theory been indulged here for the last few hours while I was away? Seriously?

Humanity is doomed because too many of us are clearly just too bleeping stoooopid to survive.

Organ theft is a huge practice in Israel. It’s not a conspiracy I remember a bust in New Jersey a few years ago involving rabbis and organ trafficking.

OMFG. DCUM is now hosting blood libels. Nice place you have here, Jeff.

It’s not libel.

This was a big scandal back then. 3 NJ mayors and a bunch of rabbis were arrested for organ trafficking.

https://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/24/nyregion/24jersey.html

This actually looks more like you’ve identified a U.S problem than an Israeli one and I’m someone who thinks the allegations from yesterday should be looked into.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Has this organ theft conspiracy theory been indulged here for the last few hours while I was away? Seriously?

Humanity is doomed because too many of us are clearly just too bleeping stoooopid to survive.

Organ theft is a huge practice in Israel. It’s not a conspiracy I remember a bust in New Jersey a few years ago involving rabbis and organ trafficking.

OMFG. DCUM is now hosting blood libels. Nice place you have here, Jeff.

It’s not libel.

This was a big scandal back then. 3 NJ mayors and a bunch of rabbis were arrested for organ trafficking.

https://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/24/nyregion/24jersey.html

No mayors or rabbis were arrested for organ trafficking. You obviously did not read the article you yourself posted and then you hoped that no one else will read to verify your libel. Thai is literally the only place in the article that anything about organs is mentioned.

Another man in Brooklyn, Levy-Izhak Rosenbaum, was accused of enticing vulnerable people to give up a kidney for $10,000 and then selling the organ for $160,000. Mr. Dwek pretended to be soliciting a kidney on behalf of someone and Mr. Rosenbaum said that he had been in business of buying organs for years, according to the complaint.

This guy was eventually convicted for enticing 3 Israelis to come to the USA to give live donor kidney transplants to paying recepients in the USA. He was paid for it and so were the donors. Illegal? Yes Unethical? Yes But no ring of politicians and rabbis involved in black market organ theft.

So again spreading libel, misinformation, and lies.

[Anonymous]

Over a hundred people were killed on Sunday in a strike on a residential neighborhood in Gaza. Israel admits they made a mistake:


The extensive damage caused by Israel's airstrike on the Maghazi refugee camp in Gaza on Sunday night was a mistake, according to an IDF military official who spoke to KAN news on Thursday morning.

The official told KAN that, following an internal IAF investigation, it came out that the type of weaponry used did not match the nature of the mission. As a result, there was extensive collateral damage that did not need to occur and could have been avoided if the correct weaponry had been used.

Dozens of innocent civilians were killed in this strike, KAN said, adding a report that the IDF had expressed regret over the incident.


https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/death-toll-from-israeli-airstrike-in-central-gaza-rises-to-106-palestinian-officials-say
https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-779836

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Anonymous wrote:Some serious stuff going on in The West Bank and all at this time.

Yes, it has not received enough reporting. Over 300 Palestinians have been killed since Oct. 7 including dozens of children. Nearly 4000 injured and thousands more arrested. The UN just came out with a report today on the situation in the West Bank.

https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/documents/countries/palestine/2023-12-27-Flash-Report.pdf
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/un-report-deplores-rapid-deterioration-rights-west-bank-2023-12-28/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And here we go again with the accusations of antisemitism and support for Hamas. How about addressing the fact that Israel is just indiscriminately killing innocent people?

You seem to forget they did not start this war. Like any other nation in the world, Israel is has the right to respond.

I’m pretty sure they did when they declared a state without inhabitant stakeholders agreeing….

Not quite what happened, unless “they” = the United Nations.

56% of the land, including 70% of the Med coastline and the strategic Gulf of Aqaba, and control over 80% of the fresh water supply in the region … for 31% of the population in the region, 2/3 of whom had immigrated from Eastern Europe in the previous 20 years. So around 10% of the indigenous population was gifted 56% of the land, most of the coastline, and nearly all of the freshwater.

What a plan? Amazing to think it led to such hard feelings amongst the locals!

And very cool that “the locals” responded by trying to annihilate their neighbors.

Those poor, innocent Palestinians! They committed 80 years of nonstop terrorism, all in violation of UN resolution and international law.

But none of that matters to their far left apologists, of course. It’s all Israel’s fault.

I wonder why the terror attacks are all against Israel instead of the UN? Whatever could it be?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some serious stuff going on in The West Bank and all at this time.

Yes, it has not received enough reporting. Over 300 Palestinians have been killed since Oct. 7 including dozens of children. Nearly 4000 injured and thousands more arrested. The UN just came out with a report today on the situation in the West Bank.

https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/documents/countries/palestine/2023-12-27-Flash-Report.pdf
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/un-report-deplores-rapid-deterioration-rights-west-bank-2023-12-28/

Well since you know about it is has been reported *somewhere*. Do you mean that you are not finding that not enough people are stating their hatred for Israel as you would like? Hearts and minds are not converting as fast as you would like? No increase in the number of people shouting from the river to the sea?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Over a hundred people were killed on Sunday in a strike on a residential neighborhood in Gaza. Israel admits they made a mistake:


The extensive damage caused by Israel's airstrike on the Maghazi refugee camp in Gaza on Sunday night was a mistake, according to an IDF military official who spoke to KAN news on Thursday morning.

The official told KAN that, following an internal IAF investigation, it came out that the type of weaponry used did not match the nature of the mission. As a result, there was extensive collateral damage that did not need to occur and could have been avoided if the correct weaponry had been used.

Dozens of innocent civilians were killed in this strike, KAN said, adding a report that the IDF had expressed regret over the incident.


https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/death-toll-from-israeli-airstrike-in-central-gaza-rises-to-106-palestinian-officials-say
https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-779836

You can read! It is nice that you are able to read the news and feel informed on matters, good for you!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And here we go again with the accusations of antisemitism and support for Hamas. How about addressing the fact that Israel is just indiscriminately killing innocent people?

You seem to forget they did not start this war. Like any other nation in the world, Israel is has the right to respond.

I’m pretty sure they did when they declared a state without inhabitant stakeholders agreeing….

Not quite what happened, unless “they” = the United Nations.

56% of the land, including 70% of the Med coastline and the strategic Gulf of Aqaba, and control over 80% of the fresh water supply in the region … for 31% of the population in the region, 2/3 of whom had immigrated from Eastern Europe in the previous 20 years. So around 10% of the indigenous population was gifted 56% of the land, most of the coastline, and nearly all of the freshwater.

What a plan? Amazing to think it led to such hard feelings amongst the locals!

And very cool that “the locals” responded by trying to annihilate their neighbors.

Those poor, innocent Palestinians! They committed 80 years of nonstop terrorism, all in violation of UN resolution and international law.

But none of that matters to their far left apologists, of course. It’s all Israel’s fault.

I wonder why the terror attacks are all against Israel instead of the UN? Whatever could it be?

Maybe the UN funding the schools that perpetuate the fine cultural tradition of hate towards Israel?
Or UN hiring Hamas cousins to teach the schools, distribute aid (whatever is left after Hamas) and write plaintive content on social media?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And here we go again with the accusations of antisemitism and support for Hamas. How about addressing the fact that Israel is just indiscriminately killing innocent people?

You seem to forget they did not start this war. Like any other nation in the world, Israel is has the right to respond.

I’m pretty sure they did when they declared a state without inhabitant stakeholders agreeing….

Not quite what happened, unless “they” = the United Nations.

56% of the land, including 70% of the Med coastline and the strategic Gulf of Aqaba, and control over 80% of the fresh water supply in the region … for 31% of the population in the region, 2/3 of whom had immigrated from Eastern Europe in the previous 20 years. So around 10% of the indigenous population was gifted 56% of the land, most of the coastline, and nearly all of the freshwater.

What a plan? Amazing to think it led to such hard feelings amongst the locals!

And very cool that “the locals” responded by trying to annihilate their neighbors.

Those poor, innocent Palestinians! They committed 80 years of nonstop terrorism, all in violation of UN resolution and international law.

But none of that matters to their far left apologists, of course. It’s all Israel’s fault.

Oh, now you hold the U.N. in high regard? Are you sure you want to compare notes on U.N. violations?

Sure. Seeing as I don’t have a horse in this race.

My view: Palestinians started the conflict. Israel has behaved horribly since. Palestinians have been sh*theads throughout.

Is further elaboration really necessary?

I don’t think my essential view is that far removed from yours. I guess the main question I would have is, how did you end up leaning in the direction of placing blame on the side that is actually at risk of annihilation, and has been all along?

Three intellectual reasons and one emotional reason:

1. I believe that Palestinians created and perpetuated the conflict. They could have accepted 181 and had an autonomous and prosperous state. They had decent (not great or even good, but decent) offers since then. They’ve turned them all down and chosen ongoing conflict.

2. I believe that until 25 years ago, Israel was the side “at risk of annihilation”. That’s what Palestinians and many Arab states have been committed to since 1948.

3. I think that Israel has some strategic value to the US. If we have to choose a side, it’s in our interest to side with Israel.

4. Emotional. I remember Palestinians celebrating 9/11. I’ll never ever forget.

Again, all of the above is in the context of also acknowledging that Israel has behaved abominably in many ways.

Palestinians didn’t create the conflict. The Palestinians never wanted and even Hamas still doesn’t want to create a Muslim state there. You know why?

Churches, synagogues, and mosques were all side by side from Jerusalem to Nazareth to Gaza.

Jewish people didn’t come there creating a secular state ala the Brits or Turks. They wanted to create a Jewish state and the Christians and Muslims could go beat it.

Of course Palestinians created the conflict. They had a binary choice: accept 181 or launch a war.

They chose door #2.

Palestinians didn’t launch the 1948 war or ask for it . The Arab League launched a war against Israel and Palestinians were actually pissed about it because it meant more casualties and explosions for them. Jordan and Egypt occupied the West Bank and Gaza, Palestinians were not happy about those occupations either .

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The Palestinians protested the 181 resolution, and it eventually devolved into a civil war. Then the surrounding Arab armies got involved. They were not passive victims.

The Arabs could have had a better deal on Resolution 181 by the way. The Zionists lobbied the UN special committee during the creation of the plan. The Arabs boycotted the entire process.

Guess what, lobbying works.

The Arabs should have and could have lobbied for a better map, but they didn’t care. They were against any kind of a two state solution. It didn’t really matter what the finals lines looked like.

It’s only in hindsight that people look at the map and state that it’s “unfair.” Well, the Zionists lobbied and the Arabs didn’t, and it wouldn’t have mattered even if it were “fair.” The civil war was happening regardless.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Special_Committee_on_Palestine

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Has this organ theft conspiracy theory been indulged here for the last few hours while I was away? Seriously?

Humanity is doomed because too many of us are clearly just too bleeping stoooopid to survive.

Organ theft is a huge practice in Israel. It’s not a conspiracy I remember a bust in New Jersey a few years ago involving rabbis and organ trafficking.

OMFG. DCUM is now hosting blood libels. Nice place you have here, Jeff.

It’s not libel.

This was a big scandal back then. 3 NJ mayors and a bunch of rabbis were arrested for organ trafficking.

https://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/24/nyregion/24jersey.html

They were no stealing organs. They arranged for Israeli donors to sell their organs. Please show us information where organ theft is an issue in Israel.

I know you are more pro-Palestine, but this is too much. There might have been a crime in the U.S., and this person is repeating over and over and over again that there is a huge organ trafficking in Israel.
Reminiscent of German propaganda that Jews are rats and need to be exterminated. I am neither Pro one or the other, it is a horrible situation, yet people are calling for the "allies" to bomb Israel out of existence, hence, in fact, calling for the same thing they are accusing Israel of doing to Palestinians.

[Anonymous]

^^ above post was meant for the rabid Palestine defender.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And here we go again with the accusations of antisemitism and support for Hamas. How about addressing the fact that Israel is just indiscriminately killing innocent people?

You seem to forget they did not start this war. Like any other nation in the world, Israel is has the right to respond.

I’m pretty sure they did when they declared a state without inhabitant stakeholders agreeing….

Not quite what happened, unless “they” = the United Nations.

56% of the land, including 70% of the Med coastline and the strategic Gulf of Aqaba, and control over 80% of the fresh water supply in the region … for 31% of the population in the region, 2/3 of whom had immigrated from Eastern Europe in the previous 20 years. So around 10% of the indigenous population was gifted 56% of the land, most of the coastline, and nearly all of the freshwater.

What a plan? Amazing to think it led to such hard feelings amongst the locals!

And very cool that “the locals” responded by trying to annihilate their neighbors.

Those poor, innocent Palestinians! They committed 80 years of nonstop terrorism, all in violation of UN resolution and international law.

But none of that matters to their far left apologists, of course. It’s all Israel’s fault.

I wonder why the terror attacks are all against Israel instead of the UN? Whatever could it be?

Maybe the UN funding the schools that perpetuate the fine cultural tradition of hate towards Israel?
Or UN hiring Hamas cousins to teach the schools, distribute aid (whatever is left after Hamas) and write plaintive content on social media?

Remember that one of the released hostages was held captive by a teacher in one of Gaza's UNRWA schools?