CORONAVIRUS/COVID-19 NEW MEGA THREAD

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone should read:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/10/opinion/sanders-biden-socialism.html

I think it’s a perspective that really needs to be heard.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/22/opinion/coronavirus-economy.html

Agree! “Use a two-week isolation strategy,’’ Katz answered. Tell everyone to basically stay home for two weeks, rather than indefinitely. (This includes all the reckless college students packing the beaches of Florida.) If you are infected with the coronavirus it will usually present within a two-week incubation period.

“Those who have symptomatic infection should then self-isolate — with or without testing, which is exactly what we do with the flu,’’ Katz said. “Those who don’t, if in the low-risk population, should be allowed to return to work or school, after the two weeks end.”

Effectively, we’d ‘reboot’ our society in two or perhaps more weeks from now. "

Love this idea! Finally somebody sensible

Except you need to be able to test! I’ve had a recurrent runny nose for the last five months. Is it a virus? Dry air? Something else? In order for people to isolate longer than 14 days, you need a test, otherwise people will write it off as another cold, etc.

Yeah, this strategy only works if you have an easily accessible test so you can know at the end of 2 weeks if you have the virus or not.

Since people can have the virus without symptoms, and spread it to others... a household could start with a child with the virus but no symptoms, and at the end of 14 days mom and dad could be infected but showing no symptoms yet. 2 week reboot is over -- but mom and dad now go out and spread their germs for a few days before coming down with a cough. Since there's no test .. how do you prevent that from happening over and over again?

This strategy also ignores the fact that many young people with the virus need hospitalization. It's not just the elderly who are clogging up the hospitals.

+10000! The young and healthy are not safe:

Olympic Gold Medalist Swimmer Cameron van der Burgh Hit Hard By Coronavirus

Despite “strong lungs” and a “healthy lifestyle,” the champion called COVID-19 “by far the worst virus I’ve ever endured.”
By Ron Dicker
03/23/2020 06:59 AM ET

Normal, healthy and athletic people do get very sick from the flu. I had the flu once and was so sick it was pain just to lift my head. IT happens. It's never been a secret that young people can and do get sick from the virus. Why some of you are pretending it's some mass conspiracy to hide this information I don't know. What is known is that the people who die from the virus are overwhelmingly old and very sick.

It’s probably because people like you keep saying it’s just like the flu.

That is not a helpful response. It is a flu. A different kind of flu. The vast majority of people who catch the virus develop flu-like symptoms that do not require hospitalization. Going by those descriptions it is comparable to getting the actual flu for most people, which ranges from very mild symptoms to sick in bed for days/weeks but no hospitalization needed (just like the flu itself). A minority get even sicker and a minority of those die.

It's not any kind of flu at all. It's a cold, a different type of very very very bad cold.

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone should read:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/10/opinion/sanders-biden-socialism.html

I think it’s a perspective that really needs to be heard.

Sorry pasted wrong link:


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/22/opinion/coronavirus-economy.html

Agree! “Use a two-week isolation strategy,’’ Katz answered. Tell everyone to basically stay home for two weeks, rather than indefinitely. (This includes all the reckless college students packing the beaches of Florida.) If you are infected with the coronavirus it will usually present within a two-week incubation period.

“Those who have symptomatic infection should then self-isolate — with or without testing, which is exactly what we do with the flu,’’ Katz said. “Those who don’t, if in the low-risk population, should be allowed to return to work or school, after the two weeks end.”

Effectively, we’d ‘reboot’ our society in two or perhaps more weeks from now. "

Love this idea! Finally somebody sensible

Except you need to be able to test! I’ve had a recurrent runny nose for the last five months. Is it a virus? Dry air? Something else? In order for people to isolate longer than 14 days, you need a test, otherwise people will write it off as another cold, etc.

Yeah, this strategy only works if you have an easily accessible test so you can know at the end of 2 weeks if you have the virus or not.

Since people can have the virus without symptoms, and spread it to others... a household could start with a child with the virus but no symptoms, and at the end of 14 days mom and dad could be infected but showing no symptoms yet. 2 week reboot is over -- but mom and dad now go out and spread their germs for a few days before coming down with a cough. Since there's no test .. how do you prevent that from happening over and over again?

This strategy also ignores the fact that many young people with the virus need hospitalization. It's not just the elderly who are clogging up the hospitals.

+10000! The young and healthy are not safe:

Olympic Gold Medalist Swimmer Cameron van der Burgh Hit Hard By Coronavirus

Despite “strong lungs” and a “healthy lifestyle,” the champion called COVID-19 “by far the worst virus I’ve ever endured.”
By Ron Dicker
03/23/2020 06:59 AM ET

Normal, healthy and athletic people do get very sick from the flu. I had the flu once and was so sick it was pain just to lift my head. IT happens. It's never been a secret that young people can and do get sick from the virus. Why some of you are pretending it's some mass conspiracy to hide this information I don't know. What is known is that the people who die from the virus are overwhelmingly old and very sick.

It’s probably because people like you keep saying it’s just like the flu.

That is not a helpful response. It is a flu. A different kind of flu. The vast majority of people who catch the virus develop flu-like symptoms that do not require hospitalization. Going by those descriptions it is comparable to getting the actual flu for most people, which ranges from very mild symptoms to sick in bed for days/weeks but no hospitalization needed (just like the flu itself). A minority get even sicker and a minority of those die.

It's not any kind of flu at all. It's a cold, a different type of very very very bad cold.

+1. A flu is from the virus called “influenza” and COVID19 is from the coronavirus.

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That is not a helpful response. It is a flu. A different kind of flu. The vast majority of people who catch the virus develop flu-like symptoms that do not require hospitalization. Going by those descriptions it is comparable to getting the actual flu for most people, which ranges from very mild symptoms to sick in bed for days/weeks but no hospitalization needed (just like the flu itself). A minority get even sicker and a minority of those die.

It is not a flu, and it's not ok to spread disinformation like, "just a flu".

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That is not a helpful response. It is a flu. A different kind of flu. The vast majority of people who catch the virus develop flu-like symptoms that do not require hospitalization. Going by those descriptions it is comparable to getting the actual flu for most people, which ranges from very mild symptoms to sick in bed for days/weeks but no hospitalization needed (just like the flu itself). A minority get even sicker and a minority of those die.

It is not a flu, and it's not ok to spread disinformation like, "just a flu".

But it is OK to shut down life as we know it (schools/kids negatively impacted, joblessness, homeless, etc.) when 100k+ have recovered just fine?

What would your answer to that question be if from the floor of a hospital hallway choking as your lungs fill up because there aren't any ventilators left?

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That is not a helpful response. It is a flu. A different kind of flu. The vast majority of people who catch the virus develop flu-like symptoms that do not require hospitalization. Going by those descriptions it is comparable to getting the actual flu for most people, which ranges from very mild symptoms to sick in bed for days/weeks but no hospitalization needed (just like the flu itself). A minority get even sicker and a minority of those die.

It is not a flu, and it's not ok to spread disinformation like, "just a flu".

But it is OK to shut down life as we know it (schools/kids negatively impacted, joblessness, homeless, etc.) when 100k+ have recovered just fine?

yes, because if we let it run rampant it is going to disrupt everything even worse. What do you think will happen when entire fire departments, utilities, medical staffs, grocery store workers, get it all at the same time?

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yeah I don't remember 5 doctors dying all in the same month from just the flu

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Wow, the PP above who's saying it is literally "a flu" is extremely misinformed.

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This is a coronavirus. It has a mortality rate of at least 1%.
MERS is a coronavirus. It has a mortality rate of 20-30%.
SARS is a coronavirus. It has a mortality rate of 15%.

This is not a flu. A flu is the influenza virus.
The seasonal flu has a mortality rate of 0.1%.
The 1918 pandemic flu had a mortality rate of 2%.

Left is a coronavirus (CoV) spike protein. Middle is an influenza spike protein.

These are different viruses. This is a coronavirus.

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Anonymous wrote:TY for posting that letter from the doctor at NY Pres. That is extremely upsetting. And why is it that he says that the manufacturer is "beginning to accelerate" production? DCUM posters (and anyone with any sense) were talking about the mask shortage in JANUARY. I remember someone posting that 3M was ramping up production and adding production shifts in the U.S. I don't know if they were making that up or what, but the idea that they were NOT accelerating production 2+ months ago is just horrifying. Why is everyone asleep at the switch? We had some many months to prepare.

VP Pence said that in a press briefing last week. They’re just lying about everything now.

Governors are begging for feds to step in and use Defense Production Act to ramp up productions of masks, other PPE, ventilators, etc, but Trump prefers to let states bid on the open market, against each other, so private sector can maximize profits.

This is happening RIGHT NOW.

https://www.barrons.com/articles/new-york-gov-cuomo-wants-federal-government-to-command-supplies-of-ventilators-and-masks-51584915722

We lost precious weeks in Jan and Feb because of his inaction, and we continue to lose time. We should’ve been making ventilators weeks ago. WHY ISN’T ANYONE DOING ANYTHING?!

There is plenty being done. Deep breaths.

LOL you are delusional. They weren’t doing jack three weeks ago - except maybe investing in medical manufacturing while telling the rest of us all was well - and they aren’t doing jack now. What a shtshow.

What the executive branch was doing in January and February when the rest of us started buying masks at our local Walgreens was...managing their stock portfolios.

Also lying. The executive branch was lying about it in January and February.

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Stop with the testing complaints. We will have millions of tests available in the next 1-2 weeks.

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You can’t make people go back to work when 47 states have not received enough masks or medical equipment for the population if they get ill from this virus. Trump is helping three states and telling everyone else to fend for themselves. It is going to spread fast in the other states soon and none of their hospitals are prepared. Also The citizens of China have masks for everyday use as they go out and about. We have none. People are wearing bandannas and having masks sewn for them FFS. Are the states ready for people to start having their surgeries and taking up all the hospital beds? Trump is dangerous. We are not prepared for anything. We don’t have ventilators, masks, nothing. The states have nothing.

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Anonymous wrote:Stop with the testing complaints. We will have millions of tests available in the next 1-2 weeks.

Stop with the reality denial.

We have test rationing right now.

If we had tests in Feb, as the Ebola czar was calling for, and as the CDC normally would do if not muzzled,
we’d have avoided the worst of the lockdowns.

You’re here at home today because our government failed.

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Anonymous wrote:Stop with the testing complaints. We will have millions of tests available in the next 1-2 weeks.

Stop with the reality denial.

We have test rationing right now.

If we had tests in Feb, as the Ebola czar was calling for, and as the CDC normally would do if not muzzled,
we’d have avoided the worst of the lockdowns.

You’re here at home today because our government failed.

You can get tested. You have to be aggressive. A YOUNG friend was denied testing at a Virginia hospital because they said her fever was "too low". She was aggressive about it and got tested. She has it.

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Anonymous wrote:Stop with the testing complaints. We will have millions of tests available in the next 1-2 weeks.

That won't help anyone in my family -- 3 people got sick last week and only one could be tested. Nor will it help my family member who is an EMT. He doesn't have enough PPE and is being exposed to patients who are coronavirus positive and he cannot be tested. He is worried he will infect high risk family members who live with him. He is worried that he will infect other patients he sees. He and all his coworkers need access to a rapid test now. And, they also need access to antibody testing so they will know after they are sick if they are immune and for how long, so they can keep working safely.

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Anonymous wrote:Stop with the testing complaints. We will have millions of tests available in the next 1-2 weeks.

Stop with the reality denial.

We have test rationing right now.

If we had tests in Feb, as the Ebola czar was calling for, and as the CDC normally would do if not muzzled,
we’d have avoided the worst of the lockdowns.

You’re here at home today because our government failed.

+1 and I am going to add. No we will not have that many more test kits next week and here is why. The Trump administration is creating a bidding war with states for these tests. Same with ventilators and other medical supplies. I know this is factual because my DD's company is donating supplies and the Trump administration is creating road blocks.