ECNL moving to school year not calendar

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This change is going to make for some very interesting and tough decisions for club directors.

The previous change, going from SY to BY, was straightforward. The oldest players on the team (Aug -Sept) were no longer eligible for their current team unless the entire team played up an age - which wasn't practical under near all circumstances. This change may have been tough for Aug-Dec kids as they were forced from their old team as the oldest kids, onto their new team as the youngest kids. But the change was very easy and straightforward for club directors. There were no decisions to be made on where to place kids. Teams were partially broken up, but this was not at the discretion of club directors, it was the rule of all youth soccer.

But the upcoming change, going from SY to BY, is anything but straightforward in implementation at the club level. No player on any team will become ineligible by the age rule change. Instead, club directors will have tremendous discretion on how changes at the club level are implemented, because they now have 16 months of kids that are eligible (the existing team plus 4 months of previously older Aug-Dec kids) for each 12 month SY age bracket.

With the upcoming change, no team will be forced to break up due to age eligibility by the new youth soccer rules, but will teams be forced to break up by club directors? Very interesting decisions ahead.

Why can’t the new rule simply be ‘on the later of Aug 1st or the date that the child was eligible to start school, but no later that Sept 1’? That only provides one month of flexibility and gets around the northeast Sept 1 school cutoff.

And where do you put the home schoolers that like to pick their grade.

Or the private schools that cater to letting kids start a year late.

Grad year…

Ok, so now 16 year old freshman are able to play against u14s?

Seems like a recipie for disaster.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This change is going to make for some very interesting and tough decisions for club directors.

The previous change, going from SY to BY, was straightforward. The oldest players on the team (Aug -Sept) were no longer eligible for their current team unless the entire team played up an age - which wasn't practical under near all circumstances. This change may have been tough for Aug-Dec kids as they were forced from their old team as the oldest kids, onto their new team as the youngest kids. But the change was very easy and straightforward for club directors. There were no decisions to be made on where to place kids. Teams were partially broken up, but this was not at the discretion of club directors, it was the rule of all youth soccer.

But the upcoming change, going from SY to BY, is anything but straightforward in implementation at the club level. No player on any team will become ineligible by the age rule change. Instead, club directors will have tremendous discretion on how changes at the club level are implemented, because they now have 16 months of kids that are eligible (the existing team plus 4 months of previously older Aug-Dec kids) for each 12 month SY age bracket.

With the upcoming change, no team will be forced to break up due to age eligibility by the new youth soccer rules, but will teams be forced to break up by club directors? Very interesting decisions ahead.

Why can’t the new rule simply be ‘on the later of Aug 1st or the date that the child was eligible to start school, but no later that Sept 1’? That only provides one month of flexibility and gets around the northeast Sept 1 school cutoff.

This totally misses the point.

Going from SY to BY teams were REQUIRED to SUBTRACT players to stay within the age eligibility guidelines. This requires NO decisions from club directors.

Going from BY to SY teams have the OPTION to ADD players to their existing team to stay within the age eligibility guidelines. This requires MANY decisions from club directors.

Clubs aren’t operating in a vacuum. If they keep their team largely together, but are getting slaughtered by other clubs that bump down players to create better competitive teams…one of two things will happen. 1) the first club changes course and bumps down players or 2) the first club loses players because parents hate losing more than their kids do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This change is going to make for some very interesting and tough decisions for club directors.

The previous change, going from SY to BY, was straightforward. The oldest players on the team (Aug -Sept) were no longer eligible for their current team unless the entire team played up an age - which wasn't practical under near all circumstances. This change may have been tough for Aug-Dec kids as they were forced from their old team as the oldest kids, onto their new team as the youngest kids. But the change was very easy and straightforward for club directors. There were no decisions to be made on where to place kids. Teams were partially broken up, but this was not at the discretion of club directors, it was the rule of all youth soccer.

But the upcoming change, going from SY to BY, is anything but straightforward in implementation at the club level. No player on any team will become ineligible by the age rule change. Instead, club directors will have tremendous discretion on how changes at the club level are implemented, because they now have 16 months of kids that are eligible (the existing team plus 4 months of previously older Aug-Dec kids) for each 12 month SY age bracket.

With the upcoming change, no team will be forced to break up due to age eligibility by the new youth soccer rules, but will teams be forced to break up by club directors? Very interesting decisions ahead.

Why can’t the new rule simply be ‘on the later of Aug 1st or the date that the child was eligible to start school, but no later that Sept 1’? That only provides one month of flexibility and gets around the northeast Sept 1 school cutoff.

And where do you put the home schoolers that like to pick their grade.

Or the private schools that cater to letting kids start a year late.

Grad year…

Ok, so now 16 year old freshman are able to play against u14s?

Seems like a recipie for disaster.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This change is going to make for some very interesting and tough decisions for club directors.

The previous change, going from SY to BY, was straightforward. The oldest players on the team (Aug -Sept) were no longer eligible for their current team unless the entire team played up an age - which wasn't practical under near all circumstances. This change may have been tough for Aug-Dec kids as they were forced from their old team as the oldest kids, onto their new team as the youngest kids. But the change was very easy and straightforward for club directors. There were no decisions to be made on where to place kids. Teams were partially broken up, but this was not at the discretion of club directors, it was the rule of all youth soccer.

But the upcoming change, going from SY to BY, is anything but straightforward in implementation at the club level. No player on any team will become ineligible by the age rule change. Instead, club directors will have tremendous discretion on how changes at the club level are implemented, because they now have 16 months of kids that are eligible (the existing team plus 4 months of previously older Aug-Dec kids) for each 12 month SY age bracket.

With the upcoming change, no team will be forced to break up due to age eligibility by the new youth soccer rules, but will teams be forced to break up by club directors? Very interesting decisions ahead.

Why can’t the new rule simply be ‘on the later of Aug 1st or the date that the child was eligible to start school, but no later that Sept 1’? That only provides one month of flexibility and gets around the northeast Sept 1 school cutoff.

And where do you put the home schoolers that like to pick their grade.

Or the private schools that cater to letting kids start a year late.

Grad year…

Ok, so now 16 year old freshman are able to play against u14s?

Seems like a recipie for disaster.

Depends on what you mean by disaster? If your 14 year old can’t handle playing with a couple 16 year olds they aren’t going to able to play college soccer.

Playing a whole team of 16 year olds might be tough unless you also have a team of 16 year olds? Won’t the opportunity playing with older kids help your kid get better?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This change is going to make for some very interesting and tough decisions for club directors.

The previous change, going from SY to BY, was straightforward. The oldest players on the team (Aug -Sept) were no longer eligible for their current team unless the entire team played up an age - which wasn't practical under near all circumstances. This change may have been tough for Aug-Dec kids as they were forced from their old team as the oldest kids, onto their new team as the youngest kids. But the change was very easy and straightforward for club directors. There were no decisions to be made on where to place kids. Teams were partially broken up, but this was not at the discretion of club directors, it was the rule of all youth soccer.

But the upcoming change, going from SY to BY, is anything but straightforward in implementation at the club level. No player on any team will become ineligible by the age rule change. Instead, club directors will have tremendous discretion on how changes at the club level are implemented, because they now have 16 months of kids that are eligible (the existing team plus 4 months of previously older Aug-Dec kids) for each 12 month SY age bracket.

With the upcoming change, no team will be forced to break up due to age eligibility by the new youth soccer rules, but will teams be forced to break up by club directors? Very interesting decisions ahead.

Why can’t the new rule simply be ‘on the later of Aug 1st or the date that the child was eligible to start school, but no later that Sept 1’? That only provides one month of flexibility and gets around the northeast Sept 1 school cutoff.

And where do you put the home schoolers that like to pick their grade.

Or the private schools that cater to letting kids start a year late.

Grad year…

Ok, so now 16 year old freshman are able to play against u14s?

Seems like a recipie for disaster.

I don’t think it’s going to be a big deal. Many parents/kids don’t want to hold their kids back. You’re assuming this is going to be a problem when more than likely each team will probably only have 1 or 2 hold backs and that might be a stretch. Most teams probably won’t have any.

In the end good players can handle it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To the parents of trapped players, thinking their kid will get to choose whether to stay with their current team or drop down to a team that is made up of players in their kids own grade: how do you know this for sure? Won’t your kids have to recomplete for their spot on their current team? Doesn’t it stand to reason that if this change goes through, kids will start looking around at different clubs trying to get on the best team they can? Unless you know the birthdays of everyone in the birth year before your kid’s? My kid is not trapped, but they are on the younger side for their grade. I have no idea how many kids in their grade have late birthdays and would want to come try out for the “new” grade level team. My kid is currently a starter with lots of playing time, but it seems possible they could get bumped from their spot if a lot of late birthday kids from the birth year before theirs show up at tryouts in the spring.

Unless you are in the top ~5 players of your current team, I think you have to count on having to tryout for multiple teams for next year. It might all be a dud, few changes, but it seems like only a few players can totally guarantee that this won't affect their standing on the team.

Not going to lie. If the change to SY is made I am going to enjoy the cycle of the trapped parents celebratory laps.

Followed by a million new threads complaining about how their children are changing clubs / bumped down teams / awful coaches playing favorites, etc as their trapped players don’t magically improve their positions with new cutoffs.

Exactly, it doesn't matter what happens there will always be a certain parents that complain. Changing from BY to SY won't stop it.

How do you rank kids Top to bottom? You are aware that 90% of the ranking is defined by how good is their parents at politics instead of soccer. This whole youth soccer industry depends of parents and their dirty tricks with coaches behind the scenes unlike in Europe for example.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To the parents of trapped players, thinking their kid will get to choose whether to stay with their current team or drop down to a team that is made up of players in their kids own grade: how do you know this for sure? Won’t your kids have to recomplete for their spot on their current team? Doesn’t it stand to reason that if this change goes through, kids will start looking around at different clubs trying to get on the best team they can? Unless you know the birthdays of everyone in the birth year before your kid’s? My kid is not trapped, but they are on the younger side for their grade. I have no idea how many kids in their grade have late birthdays and would want to come try out for the “new” grade level team. My kid is currently a starter with lots of playing time, but it seems possible they could get bumped from their spot if a lot of late birthday kids from the birth year before theirs show up at tryouts in the spring.

Unless you are in the top ~5 players of your current team, I think you have to count on having to tryout for multiple teams for next year. It might all be a dud, few changes, but it seems like only a few players can totally guarantee that this won't affect their standing on the team.

Not going to lie. If the change to SY is made I am going to enjoy the cycle of the trapped parents celebratory laps.

Followed by a million new threads complaining about how their children are changing clubs / bumped down teams / awful coaches playing favorites, etc as their trapped players don’t magically improve their positions with new cutoffs.

Exactly, it doesn't matter what happens there will always be a certain parents that complain. Changing from BY to SY won't stop it.

How do you rank kids Top to bottom? You are aware that 90% of the ranking is defined by how good is their parents at politics instead of soccer. This whole youth soccer industry depends of parents and their dirty tricks with coaches behind the scenes unlike in Europe for example.

Wasn’t it George Washington that said 83% of the statistics you read on the internet were made up?

Maybe aomebody’s kid is not as good as mom thinks. Either that or an AYSO parent stumbled into an ECNL thread.

ECNL coaches rank kids for a living. Do they miss from time to time, sure, but most are pretty good at it. They are incentivized to put the best players on the field, almost to a fault.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This change is going to make for some very interesting and tough decisions for club directors.

The previous change, going from SY to BY, was straightforward. The oldest players on the team (Aug -Sept) were no longer eligible for their current team unless the entire team played up an age - which wasn't practical under near all circumstances. This change may have been tough for Aug-Dec kids as they were forced from their old team as the oldest kids, onto their new team as the youngest kids. But the change was very easy and straightforward for club directors. There were no decisions to be made on where to place kids. Teams were partially broken up, but this was not at the discretion of club directors, it was the rule of all youth soccer.

But the upcoming change, going from SY to BY, is anything but straightforward in implementation at the club level. No player on any team will become ineligible by the age rule change. Instead, club directors will have tremendous discretion on how changes at the club level are implemented, because they now have 16 months of kids that are eligible (the existing team plus 4 months of previously older Aug-Dec kids) for each 12 month SY age bracket.

With the upcoming change, no team will be forced to break up due to age eligibility by the new youth soccer rules, but will teams be forced to break up by club directors? Very interesting decisions ahead.

Why can’t the new rule simply be ‘on the later of Aug 1st or the date that the child was eligible to start school, but no later that Sept 1’? That only provides one month of flexibility and gets around the northeast Sept 1 school cutoff.

This totally misses the point.

Going from SY to BY teams were REQUIRED to SUBTRACT players to stay within the age eligibility guidelines. This requires NO decisions from club directors.

Going from BY to SY teams have the OPTION to ADD players to their existing team to stay within the age eligibility guidelines. This requires MANY decisions from club directors.

Or they simply add in a birth year clause to the above suggested rule so ‘born after August 1 and eligible to start first grade by xxx’. By high school it need to go by grade and by the time they get there age doesn’t matter it’s all by skill speed and strength.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This change is going to make for some very interesting and tough decisions for club directors.

The previous change, going from SY to BY, was straightforward. The oldest players on the team (Aug -Sept) were no longer eligible for their current team unless the entire team played up an age - which wasn't practical under near all circumstances. This change may have been tough for Aug-Dec kids as they were forced from their old team as the oldest kids, onto their new team as the youngest kids. But the change was very easy and straightforward for club directors. There were no decisions to be made on where to place kids. Teams were partially broken up, but this was not at the discretion of club directors, it was the rule of all youth soccer.

But the upcoming change, going from SY to BY, is anything but straightforward in implementation at the club level. No player on any team will become ineligible by the age rule change. Instead, club directors will have tremendous discretion on how changes at the club level are implemented, because they now have 16 months of kids that are eligible (the existing team plus 4 months of previously older Aug-Dec kids) for each 12 month SY age bracket.

With the upcoming change, no team will be forced to break up due to age eligibility by the new youth soccer rules, but will teams be forced to break up by club directors? Very interesting decisions ahead.

Why can’t the new rule simply be ‘on the later of Aug 1st or the date that the child was eligible to start school, but no later that Sept 1’? That only provides one month of flexibility and gets around the northeast Sept 1 school cutoff.

And where do you put the home schoolers that like to pick their grade.

Or the private schools that cater to letting kids start a year late.

Obviously it will be a date around August 1-August 15 instead of December 31. They’re not going to let people just say what grade they are in.

[Anonymous]

Is the us soccer vote now no longer a question of if, but when it’s going to happen?

[Anonymous]

Do people not understand its not going to be the actual School year. It just means instead of 1/1/2011 and younger you will now be eligible for same team if you were born 8/1/2010 or after. There isnt going to be a player born in 2009 playing with that team just because they were held back a grade.

[Anonymous]

Correct they are just moving the cut off date up 5 months or whatever date they choose. To more closely reflect SY that is why it is called SY vs BY

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Do people not understand its not going to be the actual School year. It just means instead of 1/1/2011 and younger you will now be eligible for same team if you were born 8/1/2010 or after. There isnt going to be a player born in 2009 playing with that team just because they were held back a grade.

No, people don't understand this.

When many parents hear SY they think grade in school only. This is what all the BY people are trying to say.

BY people are also trying to explain that the only group that cares about 16 year old freshman playing against 14 year olds are the parents of 14 year olds. Clubs wont care because it's $$$ and they win. Coaches won't care because it will bring wins. Parents of 16 year old redshirted freshman won't care because that's what they intended to do when starting their kid late in school.

The technical term for what will happen is "a slippery slope". Think about it. If you ran a club would you want to check every kids birth cert or just ask them what grade they are in school and be done with it? Coaches will be drooling at the "opportunity" to roster 16 year old freshman.

[Anonymous]

SY means August 1-July 31 cut off. One calendar year. Please stop the incorrect argument that kids that are redshirted with be playing with little Johnny after the age change. It’s not happening.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is the us soccer vote now no longer a question of if, but when it’s going to happen?

According to the other DCUM thread on this US Soccer already voted internally and decided to stay BY.