ECNL moving to school year not calendar

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To the parents of trapped players, thinking their kid will get to choose whether to stay with their current team or drop down to a team that is made up of players in their kids own grade: how do you know this for sure? Won’t your kids have to recomplete for their spot on their current team? Doesn’t it stand to reason that if this change goes through, kids will start looking around at different clubs trying to get on the best team they can? Unless you know the birthdays of everyone in the birth year before your kid’s? My kid is not trapped, but they are on the younger side for their grade. I have no idea how many kids in their grade have late birthdays and would want to come try out for the “new” grade level team. My kid is currently a starter with lots of playing time, but it seems possible they could get bumped from their spot if a lot of late birthday kids from the birth year before theirs show up at tryouts in the spring.

Depends on where your trapped kid falls in the roster.

TOP 1-5: The world is your oyster. Stay up with current team even though you will have a little competition from the BY above youngers and just deal with the trapped aspects as they come. OR drop down to the SY team and be dominate while eliminating trapped dynamics. You would just have to give up a little development. This is particularly good at a club where there is variability between age groups

6-12: A little more dicey. Probably starting now but going to have competition from those in BY above so this may be more dependent on how many youngers on the ECNL and RL team a BY above. Do you want to ride the bench but practice against better players or continue to start by moving down.

13-18: These kids need to move down. It is a blessing for them as they may actually get to start on a SY team instead of getting 20min of an 80min game currently

I disagree that this will happen. How many kids play up now? Of the three years of ECNL and ECRL team rosters I’m familiar with, I can think of none. I don’t know why you think a club would suddenly reverse course and allow up to 5 players to play up a year. What a HUGE headache. And a guaranteed approach to losing 5 families. A top team player might be willing to stay with a club if they find themselves at the bottom end of the top roster and sliding down because of the new age brackets. But I highly doubt they’d stay if they are getting bumped for kids playing up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://worldsoccertalk.com/news/us-soccer-plots-massive-change-that-would-affect-youth-system/

This is the author...
https://www.linkedin.com/in/kylefansler

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://worldsoccertalk.com/news/us-soccer-plots-massive-change-that-would-affect-youth-system/

This is the author...
https://www.linkedin.com/in/kylefansler

For some reason he doesn't seem like the type that has the inside track to US Soccer BY vs SY discussions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Regardless of viewpoint, it should be all or none. We don't need a more fractured soccer landscape

Who would you consider "at fault" if US Soccer said no to SY and ECNL went ahead and implemented it anyway?

If ECNL goes it alone. Them.

I would agree.

Which is probably why ECNL said that they weren't interested in doing it alone in the July podcast.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To the parents of trapped players, thinking their kid will get to choose whether to stay with their current team or drop down to a team that is made up of players in their kids own grade: how do you know this for sure? Won’t your kids have to recomplete for their spot on their current team? Doesn’t it stand to reason that if this change goes through, kids will start looking around at different clubs trying to get on the best team they can? Unless you know the birthdays of everyone in the birth year before your kid’s? My kid is not trapped, but they are on the younger side for their grade. I have no idea how many kids in their grade have late birthdays and would want to come try out for the “new” grade level team. My kid is currently a starter with lots of playing time, but it seems possible they could get bumped from their spot if a lot of late birthday kids from the birth year before theirs show up at tryouts in the spring.

Depends on where your trapped kid falls in the roster.

TOP 1-5: The world is your oyster. Stay up with current team even though you will have a little competition from the BY above youngers and just deal with the trapped aspects as they come. OR drop down to the SY team and be dominate while eliminating trapped dynamics. You would just have to give up a little development. This is particularly good at a club where there is variability between age groups

6-12: A little more dicey. Probably starting now but going to have competition from those in BY above so this may be more dependent on how many youngers on the ECNL and RL team a BY above. Do you want to ride the bench but practice against better players or continue to start by moving down.

13-18: These kids need to move down. It is a blessing for them as they may actually get to start on a SY team instead of getting 20min of an 80min game currently

I disagree that this will happen. How many kids play up now? Of the three years of ECNL and ECRL team rosters I’m familiar with, I can think of none. I don’t know why you think a club would suddenly reverse course and allow up to 5 players to play up a year. What a HUGE headache. And a guaranteed approach to losing 5 families. A top team player might be willing to stay with a club if they find themselves at the bottom end of the top roster and sliding down because of the new age brackets. But I highly doubt they’d stay if they are getting bumped for kids playing up.

I am familiar with 4 ECNL clubs. 1 is going to be rigid meaning no exceptions, 1 is case by case and 2 have said they are going to try to keep current teams together as best they can. If my trapped daughter, a top player on the team, was told she had to move down we would be leaving the club. There will be plenty of clubs willing to let her compete where her ability dictates, not a date on a calendar.

[Anonymous]

U13-U15 at out clubs a 3-4 kids of every year will be impacted. Will be case by case basic. If kids are on grade and starting, no reason to move but if a grade behind and not starting, probably best to move down to their grade level.

The tricky one will be a grade behind but a starter and getting majority of minutes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:To the parents of trapped players, thinking their kid will get to choose whether to stay with their current team or drop down to a team that is made up of players in their kids own grade: how do you know this for sure? Won’t your kids have to recomplete for their spot on their current team? Doesn’t it stand to reason that if this change goes through, kids will start looking around at different clubs trying to get on the best team they can? Unless you know the birthdays of everyone in the birth year before your kid’s? My kid is not trapped, but they are on the younger side for their grade. I have no idea how many kids in their grade have late birthdays and would want to come try out for the “new” grade level team. My kid is currently a starter with lots of playing time, but it seems possible they could get bumped from their spot if a lot of late birthday kids from the birth year before theirs show up at tryouts in the spring.

congratulations--your kid is not guarateed a spot on his/her current team. Welcome to youth soccer. There are tryouts every year so that coaches can field the best team possible. Whether your kid makes it or not is up to your kid--not trapped players trying out for their team.

[Anonymous]

This change is going to make for some very interesting and tough decisions for club directors.

The previous change, going from SY to BY, was straightforward. The oldest players on the team (Aug -Sept) were no longer eligible for their current team unless the entire team played up an age - which wasn't practical under near all circumstances. This change may have been tough for Aug-Dec kids as they were forced from their old team as the oldest kids, onto their new team as the youngest kids. But the change was very easy and straightforward for club directors. There were no decisions to be made on where to place kids. Teams were partially broken up, but this was not at the discretion of club directors, it was the rule of all youth soccer.

But the upcoming change, going from SY to BY, is anything but straightforward in implementation at the club level. No player on any team will become ineligible by the age rule change. Instead, club directors will have tremendous discretion on how changes at the club level are implemented, because they now have 16 months of kids that are eligible (the existing team plus 4 months of previously older Aug-Dec kids) for each 12 month SY age bracket.

With the upcoming change, no team will be forced to break up due to age eligibility by the new youth soccer rules, but will teams be forced to break up by club directors? Very interesting decisions ahead.

[Anonymous]

Where are the BY parents saying it isn’t happening?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This change is going to make for some very interesting and tough decisions for club directors.

The previous change, going from SY to BY, was straightforward. The oldest players on the team (Aug -Sept) were no longer eligible for their current team unless the entire team played up an age - which wasn't practical under near all circumstances. This change may have been tough for Aug-Dec kids as they were forced from their old team as the oldest kids, onto their new team as the youngest kids. But the change was very easy and straightforward for club directors. There were no decisions to be made on where to place kids. Teams were partially broken up, but this was not at the discretion of club directors, it was the rule of all youth soccer.

But the upcoming change, going from SY to BY, is anything but straightforward in implementation at the club level. No player on any team will become ineligible by the age rule change. Instead, club directors will have tremendous discretion on how changes at the club level are implemented, because they now have 16 months of kids that are eligible (the existing team plus 4 months of previously older Aug-Dec kids) for each 12 month SY age bracket.

With the upcoming change, no team will be forced to break up due to age eligibility by the new youth soccer rules, but will teams be forced to break up by club directors? Very interesting decisions ahead.

Why can’t the new rule simply be ‘on the later of Aug 1st or the date that the child was eligible to start school, but no later that Sept 1’? That only provides one month of flexibility and gets around the northeast Sept 1 school cutoff.

[Anonymous]

This totally misses the point.

Going from SY to BY teams were REQUIRED to SUBTRACT players to stay within the age eligibility guidelines. This requires NO decisions from club directors.

Going from BY to SY teams have the OPTION to ADD players to their existing team to stay within the age eligibility guidelines. This requires MANY decisions from club directors.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This change is going to make for some very interesting and tough decisions for club directors.

The previous change, going from SY to BY, was straightforward. The oldest players on the team (Aug -Sept) were no longer eligible for their current team unless the entire team played up an age - which wasn't practical under near all circumstances. This change may have been tough for Aug-Dec kids as they were forced from their old team as the oldest kids, onto their new team as the youngest kids. But the change was very easy and straightforward for club directors. There were no decisions to be made on where to place kids. Teams were partially broken up, but this was not at the discretion of club directors, it was the rule of all youth soccer.

But the upcoming change, going from SY to BY, is anything but straightforward in implementation at the club level. No player on any team will become ineligible by the age rule change. Instead, club directors will have tremendous discretion on how changes at the club level are implemented, because they now have 16 months of kids that are eligible (the existing team plus 4 months of previously older Aug-Dec kids) for each 12 month SY age bracket.

With the upcoming change, no team will be forced to break up due to age eligibility by the new youth soccer rules, but will teams be forced to break up by club directors? Very interesting decisions ahead.

Why can’t the new rule simply be ‘on the later of Aug 1st or the date that the child was eligible to start school, but no later that Sept 1’? That only provides one month of flexibility and gets around the northeast Sept 1 school cutoff.

This totally misses the point.

Going from SY to BY teams were REQUIRED to SUBTRACT players to stay within the age eligibility guidelines. This requires NO decisions from club directors.

Going from BY to SY teams have the OPTION to ADD players to their existing team to stay within the age eligibility guidelines. This requires MANY decisions from club directors.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This change is going to make for some very interesting and tough decisions for club directors.

The previous change, going from SY to BY, was straightforward. The oldest players on the team (Aug -Sept) were no longer eligible for their current team unless the entire team played up an age - which wasn't practical under near all circumstances. This change may have been tough for Aug-Dec kids as they were forced from their old team as the oldest kids, onto their new team as the youngest kids. But the change was very easy and straightforward for club directors. There were no decisions to be made on where to place kids. Teams were partially broken up, but this was not at the discretion of club directors, it was the rule of all youth soccer.

But the upcoming change, going from SY to BY, is anything but straightforward in implementation at the club level. No player on any team will become ineligible by the age rule change. Instead, club directors will have tremendous discretion on how changes at the club level are implemented, because they now have 16 months of kids that are eligible (the existing team plus 4 months of previously older Aug-Dec kids) for each 12 month SY age bracket.

With the upcoming change, no team will be forced to break up due to age eligibility by the new youth soccer rules, but will teams be forced to break up by club directors? Very interesting decisions ahead.

Why can’t the new rule simply be ‘on the later of Aug 1st or the date that the child was eligible to start school, but no later that Sept 1’? That only provides one month of flexibility and gets around the northeast Sept 1 school cutoff.

And where do you put the home schoolers that like to pick their grade.

Or the private schools that cater to letting kids start a year late.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This change is going to make for some very interesting and tough decisions for club directors.

The previous change, going from SY to BY, was straightforward. The oldest players on the team (Aug -Sept) were no longer eligible for their current team unless the entire team played up an age - which wasn't practical under near all circumstances. This change may have been tough for Aug-Dec kids as they were forced from their old team as the oldest kids, onto their new team as the youngest kids. But the change was very easy and straightforward for club directors. There were no decisions to be made on where to place kids. Teams were partially broken up, but this was not at the discretion of club directors, it was the rule of all youth soccer.

But the upcoming change, going from SY to BY, is anything but straightforward in implementation at the club level. No player on any team will become ineligible by the age rule change. Instead, club directors will have tremendous discretion on how changes at the club level are implemented, because they now have 16 months of kids that are eligible (the existing team plus 4 months of previously older Aug-Dec kids) for each 12 month SY age bracket.

With the upcoming change, no team will be forced to break up due to age eligibility by the new youth soccer rules, but will teams be forced to break up by club directors? Very interesting decisions ahead.

Why can’t the new rule simply be ‘on the later of Aug 1st or the date that the child was eligible to start school, but no later that Sept 1’? That only provides one month of flexibility and gets around the northeast Sept 1 school cutoff.

And where do you put the home schoolers that like to pick their grade.

Or the private schools that cater to letting kids start a year late.

Suddenly SY doesn't appear to be as easy to define as first thought.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This change is going to make for some very interesting and tough decisions for club directors.

The previous change, going from SY to BY, was straightforward. The oldest players on the team (Aug -Sept) were no longer eligible for their current team unless the entire team played up an age - which wasn't practical under near all circumstances. This change may have been tough for Aug-Dec kids as they were forced from their old team as the oldest kids, onto their new team as the youngest kids. But the change was very easy and straightforward for club directors. There were no decisions to be made on where to place kids. Teams were partially broken up, but this was not at the discretion of club directors, it was the rule of all youth soccer.

But the upcoming change, going from SY to BY, is anything but straightforward in implementation at the club level. No player on any team will become ineligible by the age rule change. Instead, club directors will have tremendous discretion on how changes at the club level are implemented, because they now have 16 months of kids that are eligible (the existing team plus 4 months of previously older Aug-Dec kids) for each 12 month SY age bracket.

With the upcoming change, no team will be forced to break up due to age eligibility by the new youth soccer rules, but will teams be forced to break up by club directors? Very interesting decisions ahead.

Why can’t the new rule simply be ‘on the later of Aug 1st or the date that the child was eligible to start school, but no later that Sept 1’? That only provides one month of flexibility and gets around the northeast Sept 1 school cutoff.

And where do you put the home schoolers that like to pick their grade.

Or the private schools that cater to letting kids start a year late.

Grad year…