Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This kind of nonsense is why every non-Russian company needs to shut down and pull all of their resources out of Russia.

https://www.reuters.com/business/retail-consumer/chechen-leaders-nephew-new-head-russias-danone-subsidiary-media-2023-07-19/

Russia is a criminal state.

it's not like Russian-owned assets abroad were left in peace you know.

Lots of people weren't aware of this, or stuck their head in the sand when it happened. Between random Russians getting their property stolen and the whole nation getting kicked off SWIFT, it really turned a lot of countries against the US.

It's not like that happened for no reason. Maybe you're unaware that Russia conducted an illegal and illegitimate invasion of their neighbor, an attack and invasion which was almost universally condemned and an overwhelming majority of nations voted in the UN to demand Russia's complete withdrawal. Maybe don't invade for no reason other than your own lies. As for "a lot of countries turned against the US" be honest - that's the 5 or so countries still in Russia's pathetic orbit like Belarus, Syria and Cuba.

I agree, you truly are clownish. I certainly hope you don't actually believe any of the ridiculous talking points you're posting. Certainly nobody else here does.

Oh dear.

That's already been discussed and flogged to death over and over again. If you want to talk about Iraq, go start a new thread. This thread is about Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

I want to talk about your stupid argument "don't invade for no reason other than your own lies." Because that photo is a synopsis of an invasion that happened for no reason other than our own lies - without any consequences to the invader.

Talk about stupid arguments. Basically your argument consists of "two wrongs makes a right." You're trying to argue that just because the US "invaded someone and got away with it" that Russia should be allowed to invade whoever they want and get away with it as well. Complete logical fallacy.

LOL the entire principle of precedent case law has been built on just that.

My argument is that what's allowed for Country A should be allowed to Country B.

[Anonymous]

The US entered Syria several years after Syria Arab Spring uprisings fractured the country in a civil war, and the reason the US entered was as part of a multinational alliance to fight ISIS and protect people in areas that were well beyond the Assad regime's control.

Russia entered Syria to help their brutal dictator Assad slaughter dissident groups who did not want to be under his rule. Nearly 90% of Syria's civilian deaths were at the hands of Assad, supported by Russia and Iran. The next largest group of civilian casualties were inflicted by ISIS. It's crystal clear who the bad guys have been - Syria, Russia, Iran and ISIS.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This kind of nonsense is why every non-Russian company needs to shut down and pull all of their resources out of Russia.

https://www.reuters.com/business/retail-consumer/chechen-leaders-nephew-new-head-russias-danone-subsidiary-media-2023-07-19/

Russia is a criminal state.

it's not like Russian-owned assets abroad were left in peace you know.

Lots of people weren't aware of this, or stuck their head in the sand when it happened. Between random Russians getting their property stolen and the whole nation getting kicked off SWIFT, it really turned a lot of countries against the US.

It's not like that happened for no reason. Maybe you're unaware that Russia conducted an illegal and illegitimate invasion of their neighbor, an attack and invasion which was almost universally condemned and an overwhelming majority of nations voted in the UN to demand Russia's complete withdrawal. Maybe don't invade for no reason other than your own lies. As for "a lot of countries turned against the US" be honest - that's the 5 or so countries still in Russia's pathetic orbit like Belarus, Syria and Cuba.

I agree, you truly are clownish. I certainly hope you don't actually believe any of the ridiculous talking points you're posting. Certainly nobody else here does.

Oh dear.

That's already been discussed and flogged to death over and over again. If you want to talk about Iraq, go start a new thread. This thread is about Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

I want to talk about your stupid argument "don't invade for no reason other than your own lies." Because that photo is a synopsis of an invasion that happened for no reason other than our own lies - without any consequences to the invader.

Talk about stupid arguments. Basically your argument consists of "two wrongs makes a right." You're trying to argue that just because the US "invaded someone and got away with it" that Russia should be allowed to invade whoever they want and get away with it as well. Complete logical fallacy.

LOL the entire principle of precedent case law has been built on just that.

My argument is that what's allowed for Country A should be allowed to Country B.

So you're doubling down on your STUPID argument.

FAIL

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The US entered Syria several years after Syria Arab Spring uprisings fractured the country in a civil war, and the reason the US entered was as part of a multinational alliance to fight ISIS and protect people in areas that were well beyond the Assad regime's control.

Russia entered Syria to help their brutal dictator Assad slaughter dissident groups who did not want to be under his rule. Nearly 90% of Syria's civilian deaths were at the hands of Assad, supported by Russia and Iran. The next largest group of civilian casualties were inflicted by ISIS. It's crystal clear who the bad guys have been - Syria, Russia, Iran and ISIS.

LOL my invasion is not like your invasion. Mine is shiny, noble and lily-white; yours is bloody, despised and horrible. My invasions are the only moral ones.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The US entered Syria several years after Syria Arab Spring uprisings fractured the country in a civil war, and the reason the US entered was as part of a multinational alliance to fight ISIS and protect people in areas that were well beyond the Assad regime's control.

Russia entered Syria to help their brutal dictator Assad slaughter dissident groups who did not want to be under his rule. Nearly 90% of Syria's civilian deaths were at the hands of Assad, supported by Russia and Iran. The next largest group of civilian casualties were inflicted by ISIS. It's crystal clear who the bad guys have been - Syria, Russia, Iran and ISIS.

ISIS is defeated so why is the US still there?

This has nothing to do with civilians, "brutal rule" or whatever. This is a battle over who gets to lord over which country.

The US is strangely averse to anyone else having "spheres of influence" on the planet. Only America is allowed to have influence.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This kind of nonsense is why every non-Russian company needs to shut down and pull all of their resources out of Russia.

https://www.reuters.com/business/retail-consumer/chechen-leaders-nephew-new-head-russias-danone-subsidiary-media-2023-07-19/

Russia is a criminal state.

it's not like Russian-owned assets abroad were left in peace you know.

Lots of people weren't aware of this, or stuck their head in the sand when it happened. Between random Russians getting their property stolen and the whole nation getting kicked off SWIFT, it really turned a lot of countries against the US.

It's not like that happened for no reason. Maybe you're unaware that Russia conducted an illegal and illegitimate invasion of their neighbor, an attack and invasion which was almost universally condemned and an overwhelming majority of nations voted in the UN to demand Russia's complete withdrawal. Maybe don't invade for no reason other than your own lies. As for "a lot of countries turned against the US" be honest - that's the 5 or so countries still in Russia's pathetic orbit like Belarus, Syria and Cuba.

I agree, you truly are clownish. I certainly hope you don't actually believe any of the ridiculous talking points you're posting. Certainly nobody else here does.

Oh dear.

That's already been discussed and flogged to death over and over again. If you want to talk about Iraq, go start a new thread. This thread is about Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

If only it were just Iraq... Why do we have a base and support a bunch of separatists in Syria again?

Why does Russia have bases in Syria again?

Straight from wiki:
In 1971, under an agreement with President Hafez al-Assad, the Soviet Union was allowed to open its naval military base in Tartus, giving the Soviet Union a stable presence in the Middle East.[5][6] Thousands of Syrian military officers and educated professionals studied in Russia during al-Assad's presidency (1971–2000).[23]

Note the difference, one was invited in and one is an invader.

Syria fragmented after the Arab Spring in 2011 and several years in, Assad only had claim to the western portion of Syria, whereas Kurds and opposition groups had established control and set up governments in other parts of the country. In 2014, the US and its allies were invited in by the Kurds and other parties to help them fight ISIS.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This kind of nonsense is why every non-Russian company needs to shut down and pull all of their resources out of Russia.

https://www.reuters.com/business/retail-consumer/chechen-leaders-nephew-new-head-russias-danone-subsidiary-media-2023-07-19/

Russia is a criminal state.

it's not like Russian-owned assets abroad were left in peace you know.

Lots of people weren't aware of this, or stuck their head in the sand when it happened. Between random Russians getting their property stolen and the whole nation getting kicked off SWIFT, it really turned a lot of countries against the US.

It's not like that happened for no reason. Maybe you're unaware that Russia conducted an illegal and illegitimate invasion of their neighbor, an attack and invasion which was almost universally condemned and an overwhelming majority of nations voted in the UN to demand Russia's complete withdrawal. Maybe don't invade for no reason other than your own lies. As for "a lot of countries turned against the US" be honest - that's the 5 or so countries still in Russia's pathetic orbit like Belarus, Syria and Cuba.

I agree, you truly are clownish. I certainly hope you don't actually believe any of the ridiculous talking points you're posting. Certainly nobody else here does.

Oh dear.

That's already been discussed and flogged to death over and over again. If you want to talk about Iraq, go start a new thread. This thread is about Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

If only it were just Iraq... Why do we have a base and support a bunch of separatists in Syria again?

Why does Russia have bases in Syria again?

Straight from wiki:
In 1971, under an agreement with President Hafez al-Assad, the Soviet Union was allowed to open its naval military base in Tartus, giving the Soviet Union a stable presence in the Middle East.[5][6] Thousands of Syrian military officers and educated professionals studied in Russia during al-Assad's presidency (1971–2000).[23]

Note the difference, one was invited in and one is an invader.

Syria fragmented after the Arab Spring in 2011 and several years in, Assad only had claim to the western portion of Syria, whereas Kurds and opposition groups had established control and set up governments in other parts of the country. In 2014, the US and its allies were invited in by the Kurds and other parties to help them fight ISIS.

LOL so you're saying that Donetsk and Lugansk governments (controlled by opposition groups that set up governments) could invite in anyone?

In any case, ISIS is gone but the American base isn't.

Why?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The US entered Syria several years after Syria Arab Spring uprisings fractured the country in a civil war, and the reason the US entered was as part of a multinational alliance to fight ISIS and protect people in areas that were well beyond the Assad regime's control.

Russia entered Syria to help their brutal dictator Assad slaughter dissident groups who did not want to be under his rule. Nearly 90% of Syria's civilian deaths were at the hands of Assad, supported by Russia and Iran. The next largest group of civilian casualties were inflicted by ISIS. It's crystal clear who the bad guys have been - Syria, Russia, Iran and ISIS.

ISIS is defeated so why is the US still there?

This has nothing to do with civilians, "brutal rule" or whatever. This is a battle over who gets to lord over which country.

The US is strangely averse to anyone else having "spheres of influence" on the planet. Only America is allowed to have influence.

Aww you jealous?

But yes, it DOES have to do with brutal rule and murder of civilians. I'll pick the lesser evil every time. And over history, hands down that's been the US over Russia and the Soviet Union.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Where is the Russian victory here?

Best case, they keep their gains in Donbas and Crimea. But no one on the planet recognizes it. Sanctions stay on forever. Russia is a pariah state. Their economy tanks. Russians become poorer. There will be endless local resistance. Most Russian soldiers will die one way or another. Much of the area will be uninhabitable for decades anyway because of mines. The entire planet loathes Russia. Europe moves on from Russian energy. They used to have Germany paying a premium. Now it's just India taking advantage of Russia's weakness.

Where is the Russian win?

I am not pro Russian but was surprised how much better they seem to fare under sanctions than expected.
Maybe it’s a matter of time though.
So far most stuff is replaced or imported through third countries. There is inflation and other problems relevant to war and human capital flight but I am not seeing anything catastrophic?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This kind of nonsense is why every non-Russian company needs to shut down and pull all of their resources out of Russia.

https://www.reuters.com/business/retail-consumer/chechen-leaders-nephew-new-head-russias-danone-subsidiary-media-2023-07-19/

Russia is a criminal state.

it's not like Russian-owned assets abroad were left in peace you know.

Lots of people weren't aware of this, or stuck their head in the sand when it happened. Between random Russians getting their property stolen and the whole nation getting kicked off SWIFT, it really turned a lot of countries against the US.

It's not like that happened for no reason. Maybe you're unaware that Russia conducted an illegal and illegitimate invasion of their neighbor, an attack and invasion which was almost universally condemned and an overwhelming majority of nations voted in the UN to demand Russia's complete withdrawal. Maybe don't invade for no reason other than your own lies. As for "a lot of countries turned against the US" be honest - that's the 5 or so countries still in Russia's pathetic orbit like Belarus, Syria and Cuba.

I agree, you truly are clownish. I certainly hope you don't actually believe any of the ridiculous talking points you're posting. Certainly nobody else here does.

Oh dear.

That's already been discussed and flogged to death over and over again. If you want to talk about Iraq, go start a new thread. This thread is about Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

If only it were just Iraq... Why do we have a base and support a bunch of separatists in Syria again?

Why does Russia have bases in Syria again?

Straight from wiki:
In 1971, under an agreement with President Hafez al-Assad, the Soviet Union was allowed to open its naval military base in Tartus, giving the Soviet Union a stable presence in the Middle East.[5][6] Thousands of Syrian military officers and educated professionals studied in Russia during al-Assad's presidency (1971–2000).[23]

Note the difference, one was invited in and one is an invader.

Syria fragmented after the Arab Spring in 2011 and several years in, Assad only had claim to the western portion of Syria, whereas Kurds and opposition groups had established control and set up governments in other parts of the country. In 2014, the US and its allies were invited in by the Kurds and other parties to help them fight ISIS.

Wait wait I thought we were all about territorial integrity, sovereign borders and all that jazz?

Or is this only for countries we approve of? All others are OK to help dismember?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Where is the Russian victory here?

Best case, they keep their gains in Donbas and Crimea. But no one on the planet recognizes it. Sanctions stay on forever. Russia is a pariah state. Their economy tanks. Russians become poorer. There will be endless local resistance. Most Russian soldiers will die one way or another. Much of the area will be uninhabitable for decades anyway because of mines. The entire planet loathes Russia. Europe moves on from Russian energy. They used to have Germany paying a premium. Now it's just India taking advantage of Russia's weakness.

Where is the Russian win?

I am not pro Russian but was surprised how much better they seem to fare under sanctions than expected.
Maybe it’s a matter of time though.
So far most stuff is replaced or imported through third countries. There is inflation and other problems relevant to war and human capital flight but I am not seeing anything catastrophic?

But I agree I see no win either! Strange situation

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This kind of nonsense is why every non-Russian company needs to shut down and pull all of their resources out of Russia.

https://www.reuters.com/business/retail-consumer/chechen-leaders-nephew-new-head-russias-danone-subsidiary-media-2023-07-19/

Russia is a criminal state.

it's not like Russian-owned assets abroad were left in peace you know.

Lots of people weren't aware of this, or stuck their head in the sand when it happened. Between random Russians getting their property stolen and the whole nation getting kicked off SWIFT, it really turned a lot of countries against the US.

It's not like that happened for no reason. Maybe you're unaware that Russia conducted an illegal and illegitimate invasion of their neighbor, an attack and invasion which was almost universally condemned and an overwhelming majority of nations voted in the UN to demand Russia's complete withdrawal. Maybe don't invade for no reason other than your own lies. As for "a lot of countries turned against the US" be honest - that's the 5 or so countries still in Russia's pathetic orbit like Belarus, Syria and Cuba.

I agree, you truly are clownish. I certainly hope you don't actually believe any of the ridiculous talking points you're posting. Certainly nobody else here does.

Oh dear.

That's already been discussed and flogged to death over and over again. If you want to talk about Iraq, go start a new thread. This thread is about Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

If only it were just Iraq... Why do we have a base and support a bunch of separatists in Syria again?

Why does Russia have bases in Syria again?

Straight from wiki:
In 1971, under an agreement with President Hafez al-Assad, the Soviet Union was allowed to open its naval military base in Tartus, giving the Soviet Union a stable presence in the Middle East.[5][6] Thousands of Syrian military officers and educated professionals studied in Russia during al-Assad's presidency (1971–2000).[23]

Note the difference, one was invited in and one is an invader.

Syria fragmented after the Arab Spring in 2011 and several years in, Assad only had claim to the western portion of Syria, whereas Kurds and opposition groups had established control and set up governments in other parts of the country. In 2014, the US and its allies were invited in by the Kurds and other parties to help them fight ISIS.

LOL so you're saying that Donetsk and Lugansk governments (controlled by opposition groups that set up governments) could invite in anyone?

In any case, ISIS is gone but the American base isn't.

Why?

Because Assad wants to slaughter the people who don't bow to him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The US entered Syria several years after Syria Arab Spring uprisings fractured the country in a civil war, and the reason the US entered was as part of a multinational alliance to fight ISIS and protect people in areas that were well beyond the Assad regime's control.

Russia entered Syria to help their brutal dictator Assad slaughter dissident groups who did not want to be under his rule. Nearly 90% of Syria's civilian deaths were at the hands of Assad, supported by Russia and Iran. The next largest group of civilian casualties were inflicted by ISIS. It's crystal clear who the bad guys have been - Syria, Russia, Iran and ISIS.

ISIS is defeated so why is the US still there?

This has nothing to do with civilians, "brutal rule" or whatever. This is a battle over who gets to lord over which country.

The US is strangely averse to anyone else having "spheres of influence" on the planet. Only America is allowed to have influence.

Aww you jealous?

But yes, it DOES have to do with brutal rule and murder of civilians. I'll pick the lesser evil every time. And over history, hands down that's been the US over Russia and the Soviet Union.

Invasion of Iraq has been a lesser evil?

You're clearly an American who doesn't count dead brown non-Christian people.

Invasions are like abortions - only mine is a moral one.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This kind of nonsense is why every non-Russian company needs to shut down and pull all of their resources out of Russia.

https://www.reuters.com/business/retail-consumer/chechen-leaders-nephew-new-head-russias-danone-subsidiary-media-2023-07-19/

Russia is a criminal state.

it's not like Russian-owned assets abroad were left in peace you know.

Lots of people weren't aware of this, or stuck their head in the sand when it happened. Between random Russians getting their property stolen and the whole nation getting kicked off SWIFT, it really turned a lot of countries against the US.

It's not like that happened for no reason. Maybe you're unaware that Russia conducted an illegal and illegitimate invasion of their neighbor, an attack and invasion which was almost universally condemned and an overwhelming majority of nations voted in the UN to demand Russia's complete withdrawal. Maybe don't invade for no reason other than your own lies. As for "a lot of countries turned against the US" be honest - that's the 5 or so countries still in Russia's pathetic orbit like Belarus, Syria and Cuba.

I agree, you truly are clownish. I certainly hope you don't actually believe any of the ridiculous talking points you're posting. Certainly nobody else here does.

Oh dear.

That's already been discussed and flogged to death over and over again. If you want to talk about Iraq, go start a new thread. This thread is about Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

If only it were just Iraq... Why do we have a base and support a bunch of separatists in Syria again?

Why does Russia have bases in Syria again?

Straight from wiki:
In 1971, under an agreement with President Hafez al-Assad, the Soviet Union was allowed to open its naval military base in Tartus, giving the Soviet Union a stable presence in the Middle East.[5][6] Thousands of Syrian military officers and educated professionals studied in Russia during al-Assad's presidency (1971–2000).[23]

Note the difference, one was invited in and one is an invader.

Syria fragmented after the Arab Spring in 2011 and several years in, Assad only had claim to the western portion of Syria, whereas Kurds and opposition groups had established control and set up governments in other parts of the country. In 2014, the US and its allies were invited in by the Kurds and other parties to help them fight ISIS.

LOL so you're saying that Donetsk and Lugansk governments (controlled by opposition groups that set up governments) could invite in anyone?

In any case, ISIS is gone but the American base isn't.

Why?

Because Assad wants to slaughter the people who don't bow to him.

Wait you're saying that's not allowed?

I'm confused. If it's OK not to bow to the government, why did the US help suppress the Bahrain uprising where people didn't want to bow to the monarchy government?

Oh yes yes I see. Lesser evil. Can't have these monkeys have a role in ruling themselves.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Where is the Russian victory here?

Best case, they keep their gains in Donbas and Crimea. But no one on the planet recognizes it. Sanctions stay on forever. Russia is a pariah state. Their economy tanks. Russians become poorer. There will be endless local resistance. Most Russian soldiers will die one way or another. Much of the area will be uninhabitable for decades anyway because of mines. The entire planet loathes Russia. Europe moves on from Russian energy. They used to have Germany paying a premium. Now it's just India taking advantage of Russia's weakness.

Where is the Russian win?

I am not pro Russian but was surprised how much better they seem to fare under sanctions than expected.
Maybe it’s a matter of time though.
So far most stuff is replaced or imported through third countries. There is inflation and other problems relevant to war and human capital flight but I am not seeing anything catastrophic?

I was just catching up with a (multi-passported) friend who lives in Moscow and was in NYC visiting family.

She reports the only difference is that it takes longer to travel; otherwise, no difference. People are still buying apartments and putting Italian tile backsplash in them. No biggie.