Why is Blake Lively so overrated?

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Anonymous wrote:I think they were at war with each other by the end because of creative issues. She basically brought in Ryan to rewrite scenes and took over editing, in violation of the director’s guild rules, to get the version she wanted. Any retailiation was over that (and let’s be honest, they both were campaigning against the other via their pr team ) not sexual harassment. But creative differences doesn’t provide a cause of action.


This is what I had assumed happened when the rift became obvious during promotion of the movie. Creative differences that came to ahead because he's still a newbie director and she has more pull than your average leading lady thanks to Reynolds.

However her lawsuit has me questioning that narrative. I mean, maybe her allegations in the lawsuit are all trumped up and taken out of context, and the whole thing is a ruse for getting him to sell the rights to the sequel to Lively and Reynolds. That's still a possibility.

But her lawsuit is very *complete* in its portrayal of a toxic work environment that was particularly bad regarding nudity/intimacy on the set and treating actors respectfully. If what Lively is alleging there is true, then Baldoni and Wayfarer ran a super unprofessional set where actors were particularly compromised during intimate scenes, pressured to do more intimacy/nudity than was in the script, and generally just treated poorly. If that's accurate, then I think it's likely that the rewriting/inserting of scenes by Lively and Reynolds, and Lively having Reynolds do his own cut of the movie and pressuring Sony to release that version, was done to try and reclaim some control over the intimate and nude content in the movie. Which, if her allegations are truthful, I totally understand. The way her complaint describes the filming of the birth scene is totally unacceptable -- I would absolutely support an actress in demanding that she have more control over editing of a scene that was filmed that way, with her pressured to do nudity she wasn't comfortable with, the set kept open, no IC on set, and the director's buddy hired to play the doctor and hang out right next to her genitals. If all that is accurate, Baldoni deserved to have creative control of the movie taken away, IMO.

But again, *if* it's true. Baldoni says there is context missing. I'm willing to wait and hear what that is. Because there is another narrative where this is just about creative differences and control, I'm staying open minded. They need to present their evidence. But I do think Livley has presented a viable alternative narrative that really casts a lot of doubt on that creative differences narrative that prevailed over the summer when the movie came out.


Well, she has to make allegations like that to state a cause of action. But a lot of what you wrote makes no sense, an actress doesn’t have control over editing any scene. Whether the actor was a friend of Justin’s or not doesn’t matter one way or another. Bit parts often go to friends of the directors. You really think men are campaigning to be near Blake in a birthing scene in which she was wearing a prosthetic belly and surrounded by other actors and crew? To me, that paragraph a sign of her overinflated ego, assuming every male is irresistibly drawn to her sexually.


Normally an actress doesn't have control over editing, correct. That's why when I heard that Lively and Reynolds were writing scenes and editing the movie, it sounded like massive overreach. Everyone thought that. And everyone assumed that the reason Sony went along with it was because Reynolds is pretty powerful in the industry and they didn't want to piss him off. That's absolutely what I thought for a long time.

And look, it if turns out that they've made up the allegations in her complaint just to make Baldoni look bad and try to justify taking over creative control of the project, I think that will come out of the litigation. If there isn't a settlement, there will be testimony by other cast members, the intimacy coordinator, ADs and other crew members, etc. But *if* it went down as her complaint alleges, then I support her in intervening with the creative process regarding the script and editing. Because if it happened that way, it violates industry standards regarding nudity/intimacy on the set and it was harassment. She has to prove it, but if she does, I don't have a problem with Lively taking control over final cut of the movie. I don't think an actress who has been pressured into doing nudity and unscripted intimacy, without the protection of an IC on set during those scenes, should just have to accept however the director wants to edit those scenes.

We'll have to wait and see which narrative is true. We really don't know yet.


For her to make this defense, she would have to prove that there were actually scenes shot that she was uncomfortable with. It’s my understanding that she was presented with scenes that she would be uncomfortable with, but I’m not sure that there’s proof that they were actually shot. I believe she pushed back and refused to shoot some scenes the way he wanted it, but I’m not sure that there is a lot of footage floating out there of Blake naked in ways that she didn’t want to be. And they would have to prove that for her to justify taking control of the cuts of the film.
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https://youtu.be/x8YMIkDiLi8?si=8AqPsWcRD8dVJkTp

Harvey says they're both are ridiculous. Both Blake and Justin tried to smear each other.
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Anonymous wrote:https://youtu.be/x8YMIkDiLi8?si=8AqPsWcRD8dVJkTp

Harvey says they're both are ridiculous. Both Blake and Justin tried to smear each other.


This speaks only to the question of the PR campaigns (and I think is likely correct).

If the underlying harassment allegations are true, the fact that Lively's team is "trying to smear" Baldoni isn't really important. If Lively was only alleging that Baldoni tried to smear her in the press, but not that he harassed her on set or created a toxic work environment, then you could make a both sides claim here. But Lively is making serious allegations about workplace safety and harassment and this video doesn't even touch on them (and Harvey and TMZ can't know if those allegations are true -- it's a question for the court proceeding and is going to require the others involved in the production to testify before any of us really know what is true, if it gets that far).
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Anonymous wrote:https://youtu.be/x8YMIkDiLi8?si=8AqPsWcRD8dVJkTp

Harvey says they're both are ridiculous. Both Blake and Justin tried to smear each other.


This speaks only to the question of the PR campaigns (and I think is likely correct).

If the underlying harassment allegations are true, the fact that Lively's team is "trying to smear" Baldoni isn't really important. If Lively was only alleging that Baldoni tried to smear her in the press, but not that he harassed her on set or created a toxic work environment, then you could make a both sides claim here. But Lively is making serious allegations about workplace safety and harassment and this video doesn't even touch on them (and Harvey and TMZ can't know if those allegations are true -- it's a question for the court proceeding and is going to require the others involved in the production to testify before any of us really know what is true, if it gets that far).


Her harassment allegations only work in the context of retaliation though. It is my understanding that Blake‘s team handled the sexual harassment issues properly, documented the issues, presented them to Baldoni and Heath, who made changes after the January 4 meeting - protocol was followed, and there were no more incidents.

This is how a court wants sexual harassment to be handled. People were uncomfortable and they were inappropriate but it was brought to light via the proper channels, they agreed to make changes, changes were made, and they moved forward.

Unless I am misunderstanding, I thought the crux of Blakes case was that because harassment charges were raised, justin did this smear campaign out of fear, and therefore it is retaliation.

So she is really going to have to prove retaliation. The challenge that Blake has is there is no doubt that you can easily frame the way she handled the movie promotion and the premier as a smear campaign against Justin - why were we reading in August that Blake was fat shamed and treated inappropriately on the set? it seems as if her PR people leaked that to start making Justin look bad, because fans were giving Blake crap for shutting him out of the premier, for unfollowing him and all these things.

Either way, I think TMZ has a point in that both sets of publicists did their job. Their jobs is to make their client look better, and sometimes that means making the other person look worse. And I think it will be very easy to prove that a lot of the influencers that had the biggest clicks with Blake’s s bad interviews and things were done organically and not reached out to by Justin‘s team.

I think this will not go to court, and they will settle because no one wants to be deposed and they don’t want any more text and things coming out, either side.
Anonymous
Anyone have a link for the Baldoni complaint filed today against Blake and Ryan.
Anonymous
Never mind, found intel. Link to Baldoni complaint. https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/25493725/baldoni-v-reynolds-lively.pdf
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Wow, Taylor Swift is invoked.
Anonymous
Halfway through reading and it looks bad for Blake. Many of the scenes she complains about were recorded and went differently. She was wearing full underwear and pregnancy suit in the birthing scene, not the narrow strip of fabric that was brought up constantly here
Anonymous
Oof. They all just need to back away and settle this. Quietly.
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Anonymous wrote:Oof. They all just need to back away and settle this. Quietly.


Can it be done quietly at this point? But agree, I’ve only read first third and I think Blake is cooked. Justin should get a big pay out

On another note, I feel really badly for both him and No More. What a wasted opportunity this movie turned out to be.
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Anonymous wrote:Oof. They all just need to back away and settle this. Quietly.


I don't know. I kind of love it. They are all so entitled, whiney and ridiculous. No one wins but the public eating popcorn and watching Lively and Baldoni self‐implode
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Anonymous wrote:Oof. They all just need to back away and settle this. Quietly.


I don't know. I kind of love it. They are all so entitled, whiney and ridiculous. No one wins but the public eating popcorn and watching Lively and Baldoni self‐implode


I don’t think Baldoni is imploding, but Liveky and Reynolds may be. His complaint is pretty convincing.
Anonymous
Meh. Why would she lie? This seems like the typical victim bashing. And given Baldoni’s history, I can believe what she says. And she has the texts to show retaliatory intent.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Oof. They all just need to back away and settle this. Quietly.


Won't happen. She lives attention, bullying, and being the victim.
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