Why is Blake Lively so overrated?

Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I think Blake/Ryan wanted to film it as a romance movie for Blake and Justin wanted to stick to the book and highlight the dv aspect. That was the fundamental disagreement, and their desire to take control. The other complaints were just trumped up to get their way. Would be very interested in seeing his cut.


Colleen Hoover seemed more than ok with the Blake interpretation.


Hoover's books romanticize the heck out of DV and other problematic red flags. I bet that was her idea as well.


I have read that he was trying to take a strong male POV with a redemption arc and generally the cast including Lively, along with Hoover, frequently disagrees with how he wanted to portray things or felt he was not realistically accounting for the female POV. But I also do not know if what I read is planted PR so take it all with a big piece of rock salt.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I think Blake/Ryan wanted to film it as a romance movie for Blake and Justin wanted to stick to the book and highlight the dv aspect. That was the fundamental disagreement, and their desire to take control. The other complaints were just trumped up to get their way. Would be very interested in seeing his cut.


Colleen Hoover seemed more than ok with the Blake interpretation.


It don’t think that matters.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I think Blake/Ryan wanted to film it as a romance movie for Blake and Justin wanted to stick to the book and highlight the dv aspect. That was the fundamental disagreement, and their desire to take control. The other complaints were just trumped up to get their way. Would be very interested in seeing his cut.


Colleen Hoover seemed more than ok with the Blake interpretation.


Hoover's books romanticize the heck out of DV and other problematic red flags. I bet that was her idea as well.


I have read that he was trying to take a strong male POV with a redemption arc and generally the cast including Lively, along with Hoover, frequently disagrees with how he wanted to portray things or felt he was not realistically accounting for the female POV. But I also do not know if what I read is planted PR so take it all with a big piece of rock salt.


And also that when they disagreed, he also heavily into method acting so identified so strongly with his character he became a jerk. But again, take it all with lots of salt.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:Interesting, theories?

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZP8FyP1vt/


Why is it always being framed as if they had an affair and Ryan caught them?


Because that's more fun to people than an workplace harassment story.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I think Blake/Ryan wanted to film it as a romance movie for Blake and Justin wanted to stick to the book and highlight the dv aspect. That was the fundamental disagreement, and their desire to take control. The other complaints were just trumped up to get their way. Would be very interested in seeing his cut.


Colleen Hoover seemed more than ok with the Blake interpretation.


Hoover's books romanticize the heck out of DV and other problematic red flags. I bet that was her idea as well.


I have read that he was trying to take a strong male POV with a redemption arc and generally the cast including Lively, along with Hoover, frequently disagrees with how he wanted to portray things or felt he was not realistically accounting for the female POV. But I also do not know if what I read is planted PR so take it all with a big piece of rock salt.


And also that when they disagreed, he also heavily into method acting so identified so strongly with his character he became a jerk. But again, take it all with lots of salt.


I thought he said he was trying to tell it from the female POV while overriding actual female input. See: birthing scene.
Anonymous
I think they were at war with each other by the end because of creative issues. She basically brought in Ryan to rewrite scenes and took over editing, in violation of the director’s guild rules, to get the version she wanted. Any retailiation was over that (and let’s be honest, they both were campaigning against the other via their pr team ) not sexual harassment. But creative differences doesn’t provide a cause of action.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I think Blake/Ryan wanted to film it as a romance movie for Blake and Justin wanted to stick to the book and highlight the dv aspect. That was the fundamental disagreement, and their desire to take control. The other complaints were just trumped up to get their way. Would be very interested in seeing his cut.


Colleen Hoover seemed more than ok with the Blake interpretation.


Hoover's books romanticize the heck out of DV and other problematic red flags. I bet that was her idea as well.


I have read that he was trying to take a strong male POV with a redemption arc and generally the cast including Lively, along with Hoover, frequently disagrees with how he wanted to portray things or felt he was not realistically accounting for the female POV. But I also do not know if what I read is planted PR so take it all with a big piece of rock salt.


And also that when they disagreed, he also heavily into method acting so identified so strongly with his character he became a jerk. But again, take it all with lots of salt.


I thought he said he was trying to tell it from the female POV while overriding actual female input. See: birthing scene.


Who knows at this point
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I think Blake/Ryan wanted to film it as a romance movie for Blake and Justin wanted to stick to the book and highlight the dv aspect. That was the fundamental disagreement, and their desire to take control. The other complaints were just trumped up to get their way. Would be very interested in seeing his cut.


Colleen Hoover seemed more than ok with the Blake interpretation.


Hoover's books romanticize the heck out of DV and other problematic red flags. I bet that was her idea as well.


I have read that he was trying to take a strong male POV with a redemption arc and generally the cast including Lively, along with Hoover, frequently disagrees with how he wanted to portray things or felt he was not realistically accounting for the female POV. But I also do not know if what I read is planted PR so take it all with a big piece of rock salt.


As someone who had never read the books why was a redemption arc needed?? I thought the break up scene in the hospital was incredibly unrealistic
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I think Blake/Ryan wanted to film it as a romance movie for Blake and Justin wanted to stick to the book and highlight the dv aspect. That was the fundamental disagreement, and their desire to take control. The other complaints were just trumped up to get their way. Would be very interested in seeing his cut.


Colleen Hoover seemed more than ok with the Blake interpretation.


Hoover's books romanticize the heck out of DV and other problematic red flags. I bet that was her idea as well.


I have read that he was trying to take a strong male POV with a redemption arc and generally the cast including Lively, along with Hoover, frequently disagrees with how he wanted to portray things or felt he was not realistically accounting for the female POV. But I also do not know if what I read is planted PR so take it all with a big piece of rock salt.


And also that when they disagreed, he also heavily into method acting so identified so strongly with his character he became a jerk. But again, take it all with lots of salt.


If true, the method acting thing doesn't work if you are also directing the movie. Like if you want to approach a role that way, have at it -- there are a number of actors who do this and it can be effective for producing a really good performance. But you can't do that while directing the movie and then be surprised when you get slapped with a workplace harassment lawsuit. Use your brain.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I think they were at war with each other by the end because of creative issues. She basically brought in Ryan to rewrite scenes and took over editing, in violation of the director’s guild rules, to get the version she wanted. Any retailiation was over that (and let’s be honest, they both were campaigning against the other via their pr team ) not sexual harassment. But creative differences doesn’t provide a cause of action.


It's hard to say because it does sound like he made people uncomfortable on set. I don't believe that was due to creative differences but his lack of boundaries.
Anonymous
It doesn’t really matter how he wanted to tell it, he bought the rights, and was the director. Blake wasn’t entitled to any particular version of it, she just had a heavy weight husband throw his weight around to get the version she wanted.

I don’t think the harassment claims are going to be supported by evidence. They wanted to go with a retaliation claim and that necessitated the harassment allegations.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I think they were at war with each other by the end because of creative issues. She basically brought in Ryan to rewrite scenes and took over editing, in violation of the director’s guild rules, to get the version she wanted. Any retailiation was over that (and let’s be honest, they both were campaigning against the other via their pr team ) not sexual harassment. But creative differences doesn’t provide a cause of action.


It's hard to say because it does sound like he made people uncomfortable on set. I don't believe that was due to creative differences but his lack of boundaries.


Allegations in a complaint are not statements of fact.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I think they were at war with each other by the end because of creative issues. She basically brought in Ryan to rewrite scenes and took over editing, in violation of the director’s guild rules, to get the version she wanted. Any retailiation was over that (and let’s be honest, they both were campaigning against the other via their pr team ) not sexual harassment. But creative differences doesn’t provide a cause of action.


This is what I had assumed happened when the rift became obvious during promotion of the movie. Creative differences that came to ahead because he's still a newbie director and she has more pull than your average leading lady thanks to Reynolds.

However her lawsuit has me questioning that narrative. I mean, maybe her allegations in the lawsuit are all trumped up and taken out of context, and the whole thing is a ruse for getting him to sell the rights to the sequel to Lively and Reynolds. That's still a possibility.

But her lawsuit is very *complete* in its portrayal of a toxic work environment that was particularly bad regarding nudity/intimacy on the set and treating actors respectfully. If what Lively is alleging there is true, then Baldoni and Wayfarer ran a super unprofessional set where actors were particularly compromised during intimate scenes, pressured to do more intimacy/nudity than was in the script, and generally just treated poorly. If that's accurate, then I think it's likely that the rewriting/inserting of scenes by Lively and Reynolds, and Lively having Reynolds do his own cut of the movie and pressuring Sony to release that version, was done to try and reclaim some control over the intimate and nude content in the movie. Which, if her allegations are truthful, I totally understand. The way her complaint describes the filming of the birth scene is totally unacceptable -- I would absolutely support an actress in demanding that she have more control over editing of a scene that was filmed that way, with her pressured to do nudity she wasn't comfortable with, the set kept open, no IC on set, and the director's buddy hired to play the doctor and hang out right next to her genitals. If all that is accurate, Baldoni deserved to have creative control of the movie taken away, IMO.

But again, *if* it's true. Baldoni says there is context missing. I'm willing to wait and hear what that is. Because there is another narrative where this is just about creative differences and control, I'm staying open minded. They need to present their evidence. But I do think Livley has presented a viable alternative narrative that really casts a lot of doubt on that creative differences narrative that prevailed over the summer when the movie came out.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:It doesn’t really matter how he wanted to tell it, he bought the rights, and was the director. Blake wasn’t entitled to any particular version of it, she just had a heavy weight husband throw his weight around to get the version she wanted.

I don’t think the harassment claims are going to be supported by evidence. They wanted to go with a retaliation claim and that necessitated the harassment allegations.


When he pushes nudity on her that was unplanned and unexpected, he can't just throw his weight around.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I think Blake/Ryan wanted to film it as a romance movie for Blake and Justin wanted to stick to the book and highlight the dv aspect. That was the fundamental disagreement, and their desire to take control. The other complaints were just trumped up to get their way. Would be very interested in seeing his cut.


Colleen Hoover seemed more than ok with the Blake interpretation.


Hoover's books romanticize the heck out of DV and other problematic red flags. I bet that was her idea as well.


I have read that he was trying to take a strong male POV with a redemption arc and generally the cast including Lively, along with Hoover, frequently disagrees with how he wanted to portray things or felt he was not realistically accounting for the female POV. But I also do not know if what I read is planted PR so take it all with a big piece of rock salt.


And also that when they disagreed, he also heavily into method acting so identified so strongly with his character he became a jerk. But again, take it all with lots of salt.


I thought he said he was trying to tell it from the female POV while overriding actual female input. See: birthing scene.


Who knows at this point


He's a proud male feminist so it makes perfect sense that he think he would know best.
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