ECNL moving to school year not calendar

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Anonymous wrote:I could see a situation where GA stays BY. Then US Soccer, NWSL, and GA implement NWSL Next based on BY.

Like MLS Next with bio banding it wouldn't matter if NWSL Next was BY or SY. But, it would force the top ECNL players (that would like to participate in NWSL Next) to play up because of BY instead of playing down because of SY.

This would give GA players an advantage when competing for NWSL Next roster spots.

We are years away from that happening. But would be great for girls to have a pathway to the pros if that’s what they wanted to pursue.

ECNL has a strong hold on the girls market especially for college recruiting and the majority of girls will want to pursue college before going attempting to go pro.

MLSN players get recruited to colleges above ECNL players on the boys side.

Everyone knows that NWSLN is in the cards and that US Soccer is just waiting for the right time to play it's hand.

This is simply hard to believe. The NWSL has no money. They can barely pay livable wages to the majority of players. So if they can’t afford it it means someone has to subsidize this. US Soccer? Call me VERY skeptical. I would love it but not holding my breath until I see a P&L that supports it. I am old enough to remember the debacle that was DA and it was not pretty. A total rug pull.

Maybe but you have to admit that on the boys side ECNL is flailing and has pissed a lot of people off.

Yeah but they were there to clean up the mess after the Academy folded....seems they have a more financially sound and sustainable economic model.

Boys DA became MLS Next
Girls DA became GA

ECNL tried to grab boys clubs and was able to grab girls clubs when DA blew up.

Boys ECNL is just not that desirable.

The problem with boys soccer in general is the college recruiting isn't really happening. Most boys won't play college soccer. Girls still can play in college and play division 1, but most boys even at MLS next are not getting recruited, and most certainly not for Division 1. Between covid, the transfer portal and the international players, very few will get recruited. The other problem is many of the boys are high academic kids, and you don't want to send your kid to a crappy school just to play soccer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Dont forget that clubs do Sh*** and that parents are the ones who pay, pay the club, pay for the individual training, pay, pay, pay. Why would colleges or NWSL pay a fee to clubs?clubs do 0. Top players are the result of individual effort supported by family. No club, at least locally can claim or take credit of a local player in the pros or top ranked college team.Stop comparing US youth clubs with the European academies

And even there, youth players that can't hack it aren't given much leash, it's on to the next if a player can't show after given an opportunity. Here, those customers need to be kept even if the merit isn't there.

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Anonymous wrote:Dont forget that clubs do Sh*** and that parents are the ones who pay, pay the club, pay for the individual training, pay, pay, pay. Why would colleges or NWSL pay a fee to clubs?clubs do 0. Top players are the result of individual effort supported by family. No club, at least locally can claim or take credit of a local player in the pros or top ranked college team.Stop comparing US youth clubs with the European academies

And even there, youth players that can't hack it aren't given much leash, it's on to the next if a player can't show after given an opportunity. Here, those customers need to be kept even if the merit isn't there.

You need a large pool of players to supply Academy style teams. Someone has to be training players to a level needed for Academy level play.

In Academy systems there's a whole food chain of Academy clubs. Some just look for talent to sell to other higher up the food chain clubs. Others try to sell talent to pro teams.

MLSN does this by funneling top players to their Academy teams. This type of program could easily fit on top of ECNL or GA or maybe both. Although I don't see the both option ever happening.

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Anonymous wrote:I could see a situation where GA stays BY. Then US Soccer, NWSL, and GA implement NWSL Next based on BY.

Like MLS Next with bio banding it wouldn't matter if NWSL Next was BY or SY. But, it would force the top ECNL players (that would like to participate in NWSL Next) to play up because of BY instead of playing down because of SY.

This would give GA players an advantage when competing for NWSL Next roster spots.

We are years away from that happening. But would be great for girls to have a pathway to the pros if that’s what they wanted to pursue.

ECNL has a strong hold on the girls market especially for college recruiting and the majority of girls will want to pursue college before going attempting to go pro.

MLSN players get recruited to colleges above ECNL players on the boys side.

Everyone knows that NWSLN is in the cards and that US Soccer is just waiting for the right time to play it's hand.

This is simply hard to believe. The NWSL has no money. They can barely pay livable wages to the majority of players. So if they can’t afford it it means someone has to subsidize this. US Soccer? Call me VERY skeptical. I would love it but not holding my breath until I see a P&L that supports it. I am old enough to remember the debacle that was DA and it was not pretty. A total rug pull.

Maybe but you have to admit that on the boys side ECNL is flailing and has pissed a lot of people off.

Yeah but they were there to clean up the mess after the Academy folded....seems they have a more financially sound and sustainable economic model.

Boys DA became MLS Next
Girls DA became GA

ECNL tried to grab boys clubs and was able to grab girls clubs when DA blew up.

Boys ECNL is just not that desirable.

The problem with boys soccer in general is the college recruiting isn't really happening. Most boys won't play college soccer. Girls still can play in college and play division 1, but most boys even at MLS next are not getting recruited, and most certainly not for Division 1. Between covid, the transfer portal and the international players, very few will get recruited. The other problem is many of the boys are high academic kids, and you don't want to send your kid to a crappy school just to play soccer.

Certainly harder for boys than girls as there are almost twice as many d1 women programs vs mens (350 v 200) and ECNL is certainly secondary to MLSN. But there are still hundreds of coaches at ECNL boys playoffs still.

I have also always said I would rather my kid play at Williams than some D1 directional school. 4 years vs 40 years............

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I could see a situation where GA stays BY. Then US Soccer, NWSL, and GA implement NWSL Next based on BY.

Like MLS Next with bio banding it wouldn't matter if NWSL Next was BY or SY. But, it would force the top ECNL players (that would like to participate in NWSL Next) to play up because of BY instead of playing down because of SY.

This would give GA players an advantage when competing for NWSL Next roster spots.

We are years away from that happening. But would be great for girls to have a pathway to the pros if that’s what they wanted to pursue.

ECNL has a strong hold on the girls market especially for college recruiting and the majority of girls will want to pursue college before going attempting to go pro.

MLSN players get recruited to colleges above ECNL players on the boys side.

Everyone knows that NWSLN is in the cards and that US Soccer is just waiting for the right time to play it's hand.

This is simply hard to believe. The NWSL has no money. They can barely pay livable wages to the majority of players. So if they can’t afford it it means someone has to subsidize this. US Soccer? Call me VERY skeptical. I would love it but not holding my breath until I see a P&L that supports it. I am old enough to remember the debacle that was DA and it was not pretty. A total rug pull.

Maybe but you have to admit that on the boys side ECNL is flailing and has pissed a lot of people off.

Yeah but they were there to clean up the mess after the Academy folded....seems they have a more financially sound and sustainable economic model.

Boys DA became MLS Next
Girls DA became GA

ECNL tried to grab boys clubs and was able to grab girls clubs when DA blew up.

Boys ECNL is just not that desirable.

The problem with boys soccer in general is the college recruiting isn't really happening. Most boys won't play college soccer. Girls still can play in college and play division 1, but most boys even at MLS next are not getting recruited, and most certainly not for Division 1. Between covid, the transfer portal and the international players, very few will get recruited. The other problem is many of the boys are high academic kids, and you don't want to send your kid to a crappy school just to play soccer.

Certainly harder for boys than girls as there are almost twice as many d1 women programs vs mens (350 v 200) and ECNL is certainly secondary to MLSN. But there are still hundreds of coaches at ECNL boys playoffs still.

I have also always said I would rather my kid play at Williams than some D1 directional school. 4 years vs 40 years............

There are more ECNL boys recruited for college programs from this region (DMV) than MLS next. MLS seems better for those who want to go pro (ECNL doesn’t seem to focus on that at all)…

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I could see a situation where GA stays BY. Then US Soccer, NWSL, and GA implement NWSL Next based on BY.

Like MLS Next with bio banding it wouldn't matter if NWSL Next was BY or SY. But, it would force the top ECNL players (that would like to participate in NWSL Next) to play up because of BY instead of playing down because of SY.

This would give GA players an advantage when competing for NWSL Next roster spots.

We are years away from that happening. But would be great for girls to have a pathway to the pros if that’s what they wanted to pursue.

ECNL has a strong hold on the girls market especially for college recruiting and the majority of girls will want to pursue college before going attempting to go pro.

MLSN players get recruited to colleges above ECNL players on the boys side.

Everyone knows that NWSLN is in the cards and that US Soccer is just waiting for the right time to play it's hand.

This is simply hard to believe. The NWSL has no money. They can barely pay livable wages to the majority of players. So if they can’t afford it it means someone has to subsidize this. US Soccer? Call me VERY skeptical. I would love it but not holding my breath until I see a P&L that supports it. I am old enough to remember the debacle that was DA and it was not pretty. A total rug pull.

Maybe but you have to admit that on the boys side ECNL is flailing and has pissed a lot of people off.

Yeah but they were there to clean up the mess after the Academy folded....seems they have a more financially sound and sustainable economic model.

Boys DA became MLS Next
Girls DA became GA

ECNL tried to grab boys clubs and was able to grab girls clubs when DA blew up.

Boys ECNL is just not that desirable.

The problem with boys soccer in general is the college recruiting isn't really happening. Most boys won't play college soccer. Girls still can play in college and play division 1, but most boys even at MLS next are not getting recruited, and most certainly not for Division 1. Between covid, the transfer portal and the international players, very few will get recruited. The other problem is many of the boys are high academic kids, and you don't want to send your kid to a crappy school just to play soccer.

Certainly harder for boys than girls as there are almost twice as many d1 women programs vs mens (350 v 200) and ECNL is certainly secondary to MLSN. But there are still hundreds of coaches at ECNL boys playoffs still.

I have also always said I would rather my kid play at Williams than some D1 directional school. 4 years vs 40 years............

There are more ECNL boys recruited for college programs from this region (DMV) than MLS next. MLS seems better for those who want to go pro (ECNL doesn’t seem to focus on that at all)…

Yes, that’s the major difference for those two orgs. Be around kids whose goal is to play college (any level), or around kids who want to go pro or high level D1.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I could see a situation where GA stays BY. Then US Soccer, NWSL, and GA implement NWSL Next based on BY.

Like MLS Next with bio banding it wouldn't matter if NWSL Next was BY or SY. But, it would force the top ECNL players (that would like to participate in NWSL Next) to play up because of BY instead of playing down because of SY.

This would give GA players an advantage when competing for NWSL Next roster spots.

We are years away from that happening. But would be great for girls to have a pathway to the pros if that’s what they wanted to pursue.

ECNL has a strong hold on the girls market especially for college recruiting and the majority of girls will want to pursue college before going attempting to go pro.

MLSN players get recruited to colleges above ECNL players on the boys side.

Everyone knows that NWSLN is in the cards and that US Soccer is just waiting for the right time to play it's hand.

This is simply hard to believe. The NWSL has no money. They can barely pay livable wages to the majority of players. So if they can’t afford it it means someone has to subsidize this. US Soccer? Call me VERY skeptical. I would love it but not holding my breath until I see a P&L that supports it. I am old enough to remember the debacle that was DA and it was not pretty. A total rug pull.

Maybe but you have to admit that on the boys side ECNL is flailing and has pissed a lot of people off.

Yeah but they were there to clean up the mess after the Academy folded....seems they have a more financially sound and sustainable economic model.

Boys DA became MLS Next
Girls DA became GA

ECNL tried to grab boys clubs and was able to grab girls clubs when DA blew up.

Boys ECNL is just not that desirable.

The problem with boys soccer in general is the college recruiting isn't really happening. Most boys won't play college soccer. Girls still can play in college and play division 1, but most boys even at MLS next are not getting recruited, and most certainly not for Division 1. Between covid, the transfer portal and the international players, very few will get recruited. The other problem is many of the boys are high academic kids, and you don't want to send your kid to a crappy school just to play soccer.

Certainly harder for boys than girls as there are almost twice as many d1 women programs vs mens (350 v 200) and ECNL is certainly secondary to MLSN. But there are still hundreds of coaches at ECNL boys playoffs still.

I have also always said I would rather my kid play at Williams than some D1 directional school. 4 years vs 40 years............

There are more ECNL boys recruited for college programs from this region (DMV) than MLS next. MLS seems better for those who want to go pro (ECNL doesn’t seem to focus on that at all)…

Yes, that’s the major difference for those two orgs. Be around kids whose goal is to play college (any level), or around kids who want to go pro or high level D1.

Pro track washouts can play in college.

College track washouts quit playing.

This is why MLSN is more appealing to boys than ECNL.

[Anonymous]

Oh no. Woe as me, my fall baby got the short end of the stick and it's unfair!

Seriously this is the dumbest discussion and then even entertaining it is because big money families keep complaining. Following anything but what the usnyt usnt does is stupid. It's a veil. If your kid can't hang and gets 'stuck' that's because they aren't good enough for that high if a level end of story. It's the truth. Does it suck, sure. Is it worth moving to an abnormal system based around schools? Heck no.

[Anonymous]

https://worldsoccertalk.com/news/us-soccer-plots-massive-change-that-would-affect-youth-system/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Oh no. Woe as me, my fall baby got the short end of the stick and it's unfair!

Seriously this is the dumbest discussion and then even entertaining it is because big money families keep complaining. Following anything but what the usnyt usnt does is stupid. It's a veil. If your kid can't hang and gets 'stuck' that's because they aren't good enough for that high if a level end of story. It's the truth. Does it suck, sure. Is it worth moving to an abnormal system based around schools? Heck no.

Not abnormal in the US to have sports revolve around grad/school year and college recruitment. ECNL's main mission is providing a platform to get kids into college, so I'd argue your comment is the dumb/uninformed one. Let's see what happens in Nov.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Oh no. Woe as me, my fall baby got the short end of the stick and it's unfair!

Seriously this is the dumbest discussion and then even entertaining it is because big money families keep complaining. Following anything but what the usnyt usnt does is stupid. It's a veil. If your kid can't hang and gets 'stuck' that's because they aren't good enough for that high if a level end of story. It's the truth. Does it suck, sure. Is it worth moving to an abnormal system based around schools? Heck no.

Hey thanks for not reading anything in the thread about why this is or isn't a good idea. Especially love the quick dismissal of 25% of the youth population. Two points for your consideration - 1. Participation rates in young kids as limiter on the total possible pool size of active players in older age groups and 2. Trapped players (not "stuck", trapped).

[Anonymous]

Interesting article, but doesn't reference specific sources:

https://worldsoccertalk.com/news/us-soccer-plots-massive-change-that-would-affect-youth-system/

[Anonymous]

Because ECNL main purpose is to provide a platform for college recruit, it makes sense for ECNL the SY way.

MLS Next is for just the 0.01% of kids that will be professional, so according to FIFA it makes sense MLS Next preferring the BY way.

Regarding USCS and USYS I don't know ...

In my state both ECNL and MLS Next are pretty weak, what rules is the USCS NPL, so let's see what USCS decides.

[Anonymous]

That article doesn’t really say anything more than what’s been said here. He makes it sound like it’s a done deal with no confirmation on what the change will actually be (even though everyone assumes Aug 1 - July 31) and no source/name as to where he got the info or the reactions “big and small”.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:That article doesn’t really say anything more than what’s been said here. He makes it sound like it’s a done deal with no confirmation on what the change will actually be (even though everyone assumes Aug 1 - July 31) and no source/name as to where he got the info or the reactions “big and small”.

Worth noting that he says it is a done deal as a critic, not a cheerleader.