Travis and Taylor

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Anonymous wrote:They seemed so happy together after he won on Sunday. I just don't give a crap about the rest of this analysis. I see two people who seem genuinely happy to be together, seem genuinely happy to support one another (who honestly gives two craps about what she's wearing to a game). There's way too much "let's analyze every aspect of this relationship about two people who we'll never meet." Just stop already. They're giving us nuggets of happiness, why second guess it? When/if they break up, fine, but for now they're happy with each other. (What "fake" girlfriend flies from Japan for a game. That woman would do nothing to jeopardize her tour, no way would she do that unless she absolutely wanted to.)

Uh, one who has a private jet and likely would have jetted off to her next engagement after that show anyway. She's not hoofing it out to Haneda and flying standby, lol.

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Anonymous wrote:They seemed so happy together after he won on Sunday. I just don't give a crap about the rest of this analysis. I see two people who seem genuinely happy to be together, seem genuinely happy to support one another (who honestly gives two craps about what she's wearing to a game). There's way too much "let's analyze every aspect of this relationship about two people who we'll never meet." Just stop already. They're giving us nuggets of happiness, why second guess it? When/if they break up, fine, but for now they're happy with each other. (What "fake" girlfriend flies from Japan for a game. That woman would do nothing to jeopardize her tour, no way would she do that unless she absolutely wanted to.)

Then go away! This thread is literally for "let's analyze every aspect of this relationship about two people who we'll never meet." That's why the rest of us are here. If you just want to say you're happy for them and you genuinely don't give a crap about the rest, why on earth would you be here, on PAGE 90 of this freaking thread?

The overkill of analysis is what I'm reacting to. A deep dive to her outfits, I mean come on. GMAFB. I disagree that the thread is let's analyze every aspect. Some people just want to say hey, cool, I wonder if he'll be at the Grammy's. Hey, cool, did you see that picture of them? Hey cool, did you see them at the game? I don't think it's a fake relationship, here's why.
I can contribute my thoughts on your weird obsession as much as anyone, so I'll say what I want in this thread too. Suck it.

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Anonymous wrote:If they started talking in July or August which was stated here why is Travis DMing and liking pics in September…

I didn’t realize the woman in the pics is nominated for a few Grammy’s. Her father is also a retired NFL player. Rumor is Travis really was smitten with her. They would have made a cute couple!

Who is that?

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Anonymous wrote:They seemed so happy together after he won on Sunday. I just don't give a crap about the rest of this analysis. I see two people who seem genuinely happy to be together, seem genuinely happy to support one another (who honestly gives two craps about what she's wearing to a game). There's way too much "let's analyze every aspect of this relationship about two people who we'll never meet." Just stop already. They're giving us nuggets of happiness, why second guess it? When/if they break up, fine, but for now they're happy with each other. (What "fake" girlfriend flies from Japan for a game. That woman would do nothing to jeopardize her tour, no way would she do that unless she absolutely wanted to.)

Uh, one who has a private jet and likely would have jetted off to her next engagement after that show anyway. She's not hoofing it out to Haneda and flying standby, lol.

Ha! She flew directly home from one of her South American shows and ended up at her NYC home still in costume.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If they started talking in July or August which was stated here why is Travis DMing and liking pics in September…

Of course. This is the low class “type” he’s actually interested in. Then his handlers yanked his leash. This Swift thing is such an obvious sham. You have to have a very low IQ to buy any of this.

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Her next show is in Australia 5 days after the Super Bowl.

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Anonymous wrote:They seemed so happy together after he won on Sunday. I just don't give a crap about the rest of this analysis. I see two people who seem genuinely happy to be together, seem genuinely happy to support one another (who honestly gives two craps about what she's wearing to a game). There's way too much "let's analyze every aspect of this relationship about two people who we'll never meet." Just stop already. They're giving us nuggets of happiness, why second guess it? When/if they break up, fine, but for now they're happy with each other. (What "fake" girlfriend flies from Japan for a game. That woman would do nothing to jeopardize her tour, no way would she do that unless she absolutely wanted to.)

Then go away! This thread is literally for "let's analyze every aspect of this relationship about two people who we'll never meet." That's why the rest of us are here. If you just want to say you're happy for them and you genuinely don't give a crap about the rest, why on earth would you be here, on PAGE 90 of this freaking thread?

The overkill of analysis is what I'm reacting to. A deep dive to her outfits, I mean come on. GMAFB. I disagree that the thread is let's analyze every aspect. Some people just want to say hey, cool, I wonder if he'll be at the Grammy's. Hey, cool, did you see that picture of them? Hey cool, did you see them at the game? I don't think it's a fake relationship, here's why.
I can contribute my thoughts on your weird obsession as much as anyone, so I'll say what I want in this thread too. Suck it.

The thing you were complaining about in your last post is just the bolded but with with the word "don't" removed.

This thread is for talking about their relationship. You will not agree with everything said. I don't care what you post, I'm just tired of people posting "omg, why are you all still talking about [the subject of the thread]! get over it already." No one is forcing you to be here.

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Anonymous wrote:There's hiding it, there's going about one's business with no regard to how it comes across to the public, and then there's packaging and monetizing it in ways that they know will generate as much attention and buzz as possible. All of these are choices available to Taylor and Travis.

Some people think it's 2; others think it's 3. I'm in camp 3 but unlike some here, I see nothing wrong with it. I just think it's disingenuous to pretend like "GOSH, I'm just going to watch my BOYFRIEND play football with my FRIENDS, can I LIVE?" when, for example, you're rocking up to the stadium with a gaggle of A-list celebrities and you're a savvy businesswoman who knows exactly what kind of reaction that will get.

But where is Taylor saying “gosh I’m just trying to watch my boyfriend play Let me live!” She’s really not out there complaining a ton. She’s not testifying in front of congress about privacy one day while calling the paps to come watch her at the playground like some other celebrities have done. (I really can’t stand the hypocrisy of the we want privacy crowd while having paparazzi on speed dial).

I think the three options you gave are over simplified. I think she’s living her life, and probably does enjoy some of the attention as he does. It’s really not that surprising, she is a celebrity and a popstar… Are we surprised that she likes attention? It’s just the constant criticism of her because of it that is so odd to me.

Celebrities like to be celebrities sometimes. Famous people like attention. This kind of life is my nightmare- I’m as introverted as they come - but I’m glad others are not because it’s fun to sit in my couch and watch!

I thought she said that when someone yelled that she was ruining football and she replied I'm not doing anything. Also when she said something about supporting each other in a relationship and Brads and Chads something something - sorry not a Swiftie and too lazy to google.

https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article282745283.html

The quote in question comes from a Time Magazine article on her being the person of the year:

"Swift’s private life has long served as both grist for the tabloid mill and inspiration for her own work; she split from her longtime boyfriend, actor Joe Alwyn, earlier this year. Most recently, she’s been dating the NFL star Travis Kelce, as has been well documented when she attends his games. 'I don’t know how they know what suite I’m in,' she says. 'There’s a camera, like, a half-mile away, and you don’t know where it is, and you have no idea when the camera is putting you in the broadcast, so I don’t know if I’m being shown 17 times or once.' She is sensitive to the attention that’s put on her when she shows up. 'I’m just there to support Travis,' she says. 'I have no awareness of if I’m being shown too much and pissing off a few dads, Brads, and Chads.'"

Source: https://time.com/6342806/person-of-the-year-2023-taylor-swift/

Okay that's interesting. The wording makes it sound like she was just asked generally about the attention she gets at games and SHE is the one to chose to be somewhat combative/defensive with the "dads, Brads, and Chads" quote. So she clearly follows the conversation about whether she's being shown "too much" or whatever. I happen to agree with her that how much she's shown during a game is the network/NFL's choice and not hers, so if people have annoyance with her being show, their annoyance is with someone else.

But I also think there is a level of obliviousness here. Or maybe she's being disingenuous. Some games she went to and dressed pretty normally and seemed like just a regular fan, and if the broadcast chose to focus on her or not, that was on them.

But she seemed to selectively choose games where she went out of her way to grab attention. The first game she attended (her clothes were especially fussy, she was pulling a lot of big faces in the booth, and then afterwards with her taking the "long walk" with Kelce out to his convertible). To me that game, and her behavior at it, was clearly choreographed to some extent to attract attention and announce to the world that they were together. She as much admitted this later when she explained they'd been dating for a while and would not have done a "hard launch" of their first date. Meaning she viewed that game as the "hard launch" of their relationship. This is the kind of behavior and language that leads people to dismiss it as fake and roll their eyes.

I also think the Jets game where she showed up rolling like 5 deep with A-list celebs, wearing thigh high boots and bedazzled Daisy Dukes, was 100% her knowing that game was primetime, in NY, people knew she was coming, and wanting to milk it for attention. This was not the behavior of someone who just wanted to go watch her BF play football and didn't care who knew. This was someone who was looking for clicks.

She then was lower key for a while, going to games but not doing anything that I would describe as attention grabbing. But in the playoffs (and potentially one of the late season games), she's milked it. These are all nationally broadcast games with a lot of attention. She's working the WAG angle with the custom outfits with Travis's number, we get all the photos of her pre and post game with the family, obviously the scene on the field after the AFC championship game. Some of this feels highly choreographed to get attention. At the same time, there have been regular "leaks" detailing their Christmas together, including what I view as tacky-a$$ PR crap like detailing their gifts to each other (which are all obviously branded deals because it's not like "she gave him some luggage", it's like "Taylor gifted Travis and several teammates with custom LV weekender bags in classic Chiefs colors." That comes off fake af and also sounds like something they are getting paid to do (or at least comped the cost of gifts in exchange for the free advertising).

So on the one hand, I agree with her. People saying she's "ruining football" are crazy, she's shown for a few second and she doesn't decide if or how much she's shown. But on the other hand, the rumors that it's a fake relationship or just for publicity are grounded in some really obviously PR-focused behavior, including her own words describing her first Chiefs game as a "hard launch" and the obvious brand-affiliated coverage of their relationship. I'm not a "dad, Brad, or Chad" but I am pretty skeptical about the depth of their love here. It just strikes me as opportunism.

If they are using her image for their own ratings and gain, why shouldn’t she monetize it?

If I knew I would never be able to just watch a game like a normal person, I would dress all out too, and try to get something from it.

People are going to hate hate hate on her anyway so she might as well milk it. And the other celebs she shows up with need her too. They are all just giving people what they want.

She can "milk it" if she wants, but the point is that when she does so, it looks opportunistic (because it is) and then people question the legitimacy of the relationship. Which is normal.

The issue is you cannot have it both ways. Yes, "haters gonna hate." But (1) haters are also consumers, so you have to decide which haters you are okay pissing off and which you are not, and (2) sometimes haters have a point.

I mean, it's really not.
What exactly are you a consumer of here?

It is absolutely normal when celebs monetize their relationship, or choreograph aspects of their relationship for obvious publicity grabs, for people to speculate the relationship is fake. It happens constantly.

And I'm a consumer of celebrity gossip, duh. That's why I'm here.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree she's never dated anyone that great, which I think is something that happens to very successful women often, for a lot of reasons.

One reason I don't see them getting married and having kids is that what would that even look like? It is so, so hard to do her job with kids. Especially to do it the way she does it.

Like look at the people around them with kids. They mostly have at least one person who is either a SAHM or has the kind of career where taking time off to be with young kids is okay. Blake Lively has taken a step back from acting, so did Sophie Turner. Kylie Kelce and Brittany Mahomes sort of work but a huge part of their job is just the kids and supporting their husbands. A lot of their friends don't have kids despite being in the age range where people are most likely to do that. I just do not see Taylor doing what any of those women have done.

At the same time, I don't see Travis being the one who puts his career on the back burner to have kids. He is obviously chomping at the bit to launch an entertainment career, and the window between NFL retirement and losing the goodwill/fame/interest that would make that possible will be narrow, I think. I don't think he's going to be content to do the occasion broadcasting gig while trailing after Taylor on tour or being the primary parent while she's recording or promoting.

Anyway, I'm still not convinced it's even a real relationship, but even if it is, I don't see it lasting. It's worked thus far because the timing has allowed her to play WAG during a big season for him. That ends in 2 weeks and I don't see her backburnering anything to put him first, or vice versa.

Sorry this is off-topic, but Blake has four kids and an army of nannies. Period. When you see Blake dressed up on a night out with Taylor, she didn’t just put down the sippy cup and throw on that dress. A team of hair and make up people came to our house hours before and helped her get ready. That itself is a job. It is time away from the kids. I’m certainly not criticizing her for it but it is what it is. She acts pretty regularly, and she has a business - the Betty buzz thing - and she does a ton of side projects that let her showcase her baking and cooking skills that she has monetized. She is also at many fashion and industry events - which take a lot of planning and prep.

Sorry for the interruption but Blake and Ryan HUSTLE and they have somehow crafted this opposite image.

Betty Buzz is Ryan's business, she just did single branded offering within it. And yes, I am sure she's got a million nannies and is not actually SAHMing. But no, she is not acting a ton -- she's made 2 movies since 2018 and is in production on a 3rd. That's a light schedule for an actor and includes entire years where she did not work at all. She does charitable stuff and fashion stuff, I'm not saying she doesn't "hustle."

But is she focused on her career the way Taylor is? Absolutely not. So while Taylor has made a billion dollars and released album after album including her remastered versions, toured, won tons of Grammys, and become a cultural juggernaut, Lively is a sometimes-actress who is better known at this point for being Ryan Reynold's wife, having a lot of kids, and being on the original Gossip Girl. There is nothing wrong with any of that -- I'd personally rather have Blake's life than Taylor's because I'm not ambitious and it sounds more chill and fun.

But I don't think Taylor wants that life. She is incredibly ambitious. She is not going to go part-time the way Blake has.

I agree with you about Blake being less career focused but don’t agree She is less obsessed with her image than taylor. In fact, I believe she may be even more obsessed with image than Taylor.

Taylor loves the craft of songwriting and performing- and yes the celeb stuff that comes with it- Blake just seems to enjoy being a famous wife and fashionista and is it in for the pap walks. The crappy and sparse acting jobs are just the price she has to pay to do her real job of performing for the paps and being recognized as having an A list husband and being told on instagram how hot she is or how great her taste is.

So crazy to me people think she is chill and less ambitious. It just couldn’t be further from the truth. She’s just after a different outcome.

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Anonymous wrote:Her next show is in Australia 5 days after the Super Bowl.

So?

She also scheduled the Tokyo dates to occur just 3 days after the Grammy's knowing she'd be in LA for the Grammys (often a late night) and would then have to make it to Japan in time for rehearsal/sound check before her first show on Wednesday. And none of that had anything to do with Travis.

It is not out of the ordinary for a billionaire for a private jet to make multiple trans-ocean trips in a week. Sadly! We'd all be better off if they didn't so this crap, but it's commonplace for someone at Taylor's wealth level and with her career demands.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree she's never dated anyone that great, which I think is something that happens to very successful women often, for a lot of reasons.

One reason I don't see them getting married and having kids is that what would that even look like? It is so, so hard to do her job with kids. Especially to do it the way she does it.

Like look at the people around them with kids. They mostly have at least one person who is either a SAHM or has the kind of career where taking time off to be with young kids is okay. Blake Lively has taken a step back from acting, so did Sophie Turner. Kylie Kelce and Brittany Mahomes sort of work but a huge part of their job is just the kids and supporting their husbands. A lot of their friends don't have kids despite being in the age range where people are most likely to do that. I just do not see Taylor doing what any of those women have done.

At the same time, I don't see Travis being the one who puts his career on the back burner to have kids. He is obviously chomping at the bit to launch an entertainment career, and the window between NFL retirement and losing the goodwill/fame/interest that would make that possible will be narrow, I think. I don't think he's going to be content to do the occasion broadcasting gig while trailing after Taylor on tour or being the primary parent while she's recording or promoting.

Anyway, I'm still not convinced it's even a real relationship, but even if it is, I don't see it lasting. It's worked thus far because the timing has allowed her to play WAG during a big season for him. That ends in 2 weeks and I don't see her backburnering anything to put him first, or vice versa.

Sorry this is off-topic, but Blake has four kids and an army of nannies. Period. When you see Blake dressed up on a night out with Taylor, she didn’t just put down the sippy cup and throw on that dress. A team of hair and make up people came to our house hours before and helped her get ready. That itself is a job. It is time away from the kids. I’m certainly not criticizing her for it but it is what it is. She acts pretty regularly, and she has a business - the Betty buzz thing - and she does a ton of side projects that let her showcase her baking and cooking skills that she has monetized. She is also at many fashion and industry events - which take a lot of planning and prep.

Sorry for the interruption but Blake and Ryan HUSTLE and they have somehow crafted this opposite image.

Betty Buzz is Ryan's business, she just did single branded offering within it. And yes, I am sure she's got a million nannies and is not actually SAHMing. But no, she is not acting a ton -- she's made 2 movies since 2018 and is in production on a 3rd. That's a light schedule for an actor and includes entire years where she did not work at all. She does charitable stuff and fashion stuff, I'm not saying she doesn't "hustle."

But is she focused on her career the way Taylor is? Absolutely not. So while Taylor has made a billion dollars and released album after album including her remastered versions, toured, won tons of Grammys, and become a cultural juggernaut, Lively is a sometimes-actress who is better known at this point for being Ryan Reynold's wife, having a lot of kids, and being on the original Gossip Girl. There is nothing wrong with any of that -- I'd personally rather have Blake's life than Taylor's because I'm not ambitious and it sounds more chill and fun.

But I don't think Taylor wants that life. She is incredibly ambitious. She is not going to go part-time the way Blake has.

I agree with you about Blake being less career focused but don’t agree She is less obsessed with her image than taylor. In fact, I believe she may be even more obsessed with image than Taylor.

Taylor loves the craft of songwriting and performing- and yes the celeb stuff that comes with it- Blake just seems to enjoy being a famous wife and fashionista and is it in for the pap walks. The crappy and sparse acting jobs are just the price she has to pay to do her real job of performing for the paps and being recognized as having an A list husband and being told on instagram how hot she is or how great her taste is.

So crazy to me people think she is chill and less ambitious. It just couldn’t be further from the truth. She’s just after a different outcome.

I don't think SHE is chill. I think her life is chill. I absolutely think Blake Lively spends like 90% of her life shopping/hanging with friends/hanging with family.

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Anonymous wrote:If they started talking in July or August which was stated here why is Travis DMing and liking pics in September…

Of course. This is the low class “type” he’s actually interested in. Then his handlers yanked his leash. This Swift thing is such an obvious sham. You have to have a very low IQ to buy any of this.

I used to follow the lipstickalley thread about him. let's just say I am very surprised about his relationship with Taylor

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Anonymous wrote:If they started talking in July or August which was stated here why is Travis DMing and liking pics in September…

Of course. This is the low class “type” he’s actually interested in. Then his handlers yanked his leash. This Swift thing is such an obvious sham. You have to have a very low IQ to buy any of this.

I used to follow the lipstickalley thread about him. let's just say I am very surprised about his relationship with Taylor

More details please! Or a link.

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Anonymous wrote:If they started talking in July or August which was stated here why is Travis DMing and liking pics in September…

Of course. This is the low class “type” he’s actually interested in. Then his handlers yanked his leash. This Swift thing is such an obvious sham. You have to have a very low IQ to buy any of this.

I used to follow the lipstickalley thread about him. let's just say I am very surprised about his relationship with Taylor

I would just like to point out that the women in those photos are dressed similar to how Taylor dresses for her shows and major events. What makes them low class and Taylor not?

That said, I do think it's "low class" of Travis to be liking these photos while dating someone else.

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Anonymous wrote:They seemed so happy together after he won on Sunday. I just don't give a crap about the rest of this analysis. I see two people who seem genuinely happy to be together, seem genuinely happy to support one another (who honestly gives two craps about what she's wearing to a game). There's way too much "let's analyze every aspect of this relationship about two people who we'll never meet." Just stop already. They're giving us nuggets of happiness, why second guess it? When/if they break up, fine, but for now they're happy with each other. (What "fake" girlfriend flies from Japan for a game. That woman would do nothing to jeopardize her tour, no way would she do that unless she absolutely wanted to.)

Uh, one who has a private jet and likely would have jetted off to her next engagement after that show anyway. She's not hoofing it out to Haneda and flying standby, lol.

Where are all the young people screaming about carbon footprints?