Travis and Taylor

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Anonymous wrote:There's hiding it, there's going about one's business with no regard to how it comes across to the public, and then there's packaging and monetizing it in ways that they know will generate as much attention and buzz as possible. All of these are choices available to Taylor and Travis.

Some people think it's 2; others think it's 3. I'm in camp 3 but unlike some here, I see nothing wrong with it. I just think it's disingenuous to pretend like "GOSH, I'm just going to watch my BOYFRIEND play football with my FRIENDS, can I LIVE?" when, for example, you're rocking up to the stadium with a gaggle of A-list celebrities and you're a savvy businesswoman who knows exactly what kind of reaction that will get.

But where is Taylor saying “gosh I’m just trying to watch my boyfriend play Let me live!” She’s really not out there complaining a ton. She’s not testifying in front of congress about privacy one day while calling the paps to come watch her at the playground like some other celebrities have done. (I really can’t stand the hypocrisy of the we want privacy crowd while having paparazzi on speed dial).

I think the three options you gave are over simplified. I think she’s living her life, and probably does enjoy some of the attention as he does. It’s really not that surprising, she is a celebrity and a popstar… Are we surprised that she likes attention? It’s just the constant criticism of her because of it that is so odd to me.

Celebrities like to be celebrities sometimes. Famous people like attention. This kind of life is my nightmare- I’m as introverted as they come - but I’m glad others are not because it’s fun to sit in my couch and watch!

I thought she said that when someone yelled that she was ruining football and she replied I'm not doing anything. Also when she said something about supporting each other in a relationship and Brads and Chads something something - sorry not a Swiftie and too lazy to google.

https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article282745283.html

The quote in question comes from a Time Magazine article on her being the person of the year:

"Swift’s private life has long served as both grist for the tabloid mill and inspiration for her own work; she split from her longtime boyfriend, actor Joe Alwyn, earlier this year. Most recently, she’s been dating the NFL star Travis Kelce, as has been well documented when she attends his games. 'I don’t know how they know what suite I’m in,' she says. 'There’s a camera, like, a half-mile away, and you don’t know where it is, and you have no idea when the camera is putting you in the broadcast, so I don’t know if I’m being shown 17 times or once.' She is sensitive to the attention that’s put on her when she shows up. 'I’m just there to support Travis,' she says. 'I have no awareness of if I’m being shown too much and pissing off a few dads, Brads, and Chads.'"

Source: https://time.com/6342806/person-of-the-year-2023-taylor-swift/

Okay that's interesting. The wording makes it sound like she was just asked generally about the attention she gets at games and SHE is the one to chose to be somewhat combative/defensive with the "dads, Brads, and Chads" quote. So she clearly follows the conversation about whether she's being shown "too much" or whatever. I happen to agree with her that how much she's shown during a game is the network/NFL's choice and not hers, so if people have annoyance with her being show, their annoyance is with someone else.

But I also think there is a level of obliviousness here. Or maybe she's being disingenuous. Some games she went to and dressed pretty normally and seemed like just a regular fan, and if the broadcast chose to focus on her or not, that was on them.

But she seemed to selectively choose games where she went out of her way to grab attention. The first game she attended (her clothes were especially fussy, she was pulling a lot of big faces in the booth, and then afterwards with her taking the "long walk" with Kelce out to his convertible). To me that game, and her behavior at it, was clearly choreographed to some extent to attract attention and announce to the world that they were together. She as much admitted this later when she explained they'd been dating for a while and would not have done a "hard launch" of their first date. Meaning she viewed that game as the "hard launch" of their relationship. This is the kind of behavior and language that leads people to dismiss it as fake and roll their eyes.

I also think the Jets game where she showed up rolling like 5 deep with A-list celebs, wearing thigh high boots and bedazzled Daisy Dukes, was 100% her knowing that game was primetime, in NY, people knew she was coming, and wanting to milk it for attention. This was not the behavior of someone who just wanted to go watch her BF play football and didn't care who knew. This was someone who was looking for clicks.

She then was lower key for a while, going to games but not doing anything that I would describe as attention grabbing. But in the playoffs (and potentially one of the late season games), she's milked it. These are all nationally broadcast games with a lot of attention. She's working the WAG angle with the custom outfits with Travis's number, we get all the photos of her pre and post game with the family, obviously the scene on the field after the AFC championship game. Some of this feels highly choreographed to get attention. At the same time, there have been regular "leaks" detailing their Christmas together, including what I view as tacky-a$$ PR crap like detailing their gifts to each other (which are all obviously branded deals because it's not like "she gave him some luggage", it's like "Taylor gifted Travis and several teammates with custom LV weekender bags in classic Chiefs colors." That comes off fake af and also sounds like something they are getting paid to do (or at least comped the cost of gifts in exchange for the free advertising).

So on the one hand, I agree with her. People saying she's "ruining football" are crazy, she's shown for a few second and she doesn't decide if or how much she's shown. But on the other hand, the rumors that it's a fake relationship or just for publicity are grounded in some really obviously PR-focused behavior, including her own words describing her first Chiefs game as a "hard launch" and the obvious brand-affiliated coverage of their relationship. I'm not a "dad, Brad, or Chad" but I am pretty skeptical about the depth of their love here. It just strikes me as opportunism.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There's hiding it, there's going about one's business with no regard to how it comes across to the public, and then there's packaging and monetizing it in ways that they know will generate as much attention and buzz as possible. All of these are choices available to Taylor and Travis.

Some people think it's 2; others think it's 3. I'm in camp 3 but unlike some here, I see nothing wrong with it. I just think it's disingenuous to pretend like "GOSH, I'm just going to watch my BOYFRIEND play football with my FRIENDS, can I LIVE?" when, for example, you're rocking up to the stadium with a gaggle of A-list celebrities and you're a savvy businesswoman who knows exactly what kind of reaction that will get.

But where is Taylor saying “gosh I’m just trying to watch my boyfriend play Let me live!” She’s really not out there complaining a ton. She’s not testifying in front of congress about privacy one day while calling the paps to come watch her at the playground like some other celebrities have done. (I really can’t stand the hypocrisy of the we want privacy crowd while having paparazzi on speed dial).

I think the three options you gave are over simplified. I think she’s living her life, and probably does enjoy some of the attention as he does. It’s really not that surprising, she is a celebrity and a popstar… Are we surprised that she likes attention? It’s just the constant criticism of her because of it that is so odd to me.

Celebrities like to be celebrities sometimes. Famous people like attention. This kind of life is my nightmare- I’m as introverted as they come - but I’m glad others are not because it’s fun to sit in my couch and watch!

I thought she said that when someone yelled that she was ruining football and she replied I'm not doing anything. Also when she said something about supporting each other in a relationship and Brads and Chads something something - sorry not a Swiftie and too lazy to google.

https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article282745283.html

The quote in question comes from a Time Magazine article on her being the person of the year:

"Swift’s private life has long served as both grist for the tabloid mill and inspiration for her own work; she split from her longtime boyfriend, actor Joe Alwyn, earlier this year. Most recently, she’s been dating the NFL star Travis Kelce, as has been well documented when she attends his games. 'I don’t know how they know what suite I’m in,' she says. 'There’s a camera, like, a half-mile away, and you don’t know where it is, and you have no idea when the camera is putting you in the broadcast, so I don’t know if I’m being shown 17 times or once.' She is sensitive to the attention that’s put on her when she shows up. 'I’m just there to support Travis,' she says. 'I have no awareness of if I’m being shown too much and pissing off a few dads, Brads, and Chads.'"

Source: https://time.com/6342806/person-of-the-year-2023-taylor-swift/

Okay that's interesting. The wording makes it sound like she was just asked generally about the attention she gets at games and SHE is the one to chose to be somewhat combative/defensive with the "dads, Brads, and Chads" quote. So she clearly follows the conversation about whether she's being shown "too much" or whatever. I happen to agree with her that how much she's shown during a game is the network/NFL's choice and not hers, so if people have annoyance with her being show, their annoyance is with someone else.

But I also think there is a level of obliviousness here. Or maybe she's being disingenuous. Some games she went to and dressed pretty normally and seemed like just a regular fan, and if the broadcast chose to focus on her or not, that was on them.

But she seemed to selectively choose games where she went out of her way to grab attention. The first game she attended (her clothes were especially fussy, she was pulling a lot of big faces in the booth, and then afterwards with her taking the "long walk" with Kelce out to his convertible). To me that game, and her behavior at it, was clearly choreographed to some extent to attract attention and announce to the world that they were together. She as much admitted this later when she explained they'd been dating for a while and would not have done a "hard launch" of their first date. Meaning she viewed that game as the "hard launch" of their relationship. This is the kind of behavior and language that leads people to dismiss it as fake and roll their eyes.

I also think the Jets game where she showed up rolling like 5 deep with A-list celebs, wearing thigh high boots and bedazzled Daisy Dukes, was 100% her knowing that game was primetime, in NY, people knew she was coming, and wanting to milk it for attention. This was not the behavior of someone who just wanted to go watch her BF play football and didn't care who knew. This was someone who was looking for clicks.

She then was lower key for a while, going to games but not doing anything that I would describe as attention grabbing. But in the playoffs (and potentially one of the late season games), she's milked it. These are all nationally broadcast games with a lot of attention. She's working the WAG angle with the custom outfits with Travis's number, we get all the photos of her pre and post game with the family, obviously the scene on the field after the AFC championship game. Some of this feels highly choreographed to get attention. At the same time, there have been regular "leaks" detailing their Christmas together, including what I view as tacky-a$$ PR crap like detailing their gifts to each other (which are all obviously branded deals because it's not like "she gave him some luggage", it's like "Taylor gifted Travis and several teammates with custom LV weekender bags in classic Chiefs colors." That comes off fake af and also sounds like something they are getting paid to do (or at least comped the cost of gifts in exchange for the free advertising).

So on the one hand, I agree with her. People saying she's "ruining football" are crazy, she's shown for a few second and she doesn't decide if or how much she's shown. But on the other hand, the rumors that it's a fake relationship or just for publicity are grounded in some really obviously PR-focused behavior, including her own words describing her first Chiefs game as a "hard launch" and the obvious brand-affiliated coverage of their relationship. I'm not a "dad, Brad, or Chad" but I am pretty skeptical about the depth of their love here. It just strikes me as opportunism.

tl;dr but my god

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There's hiding it, there's going about one's business with no regard to how it comes across to the public, and then there's packaging and monetizing it in ways that they know will generate as much attention and buzz as possible. All of these are choices available to Taylor and Travis.

Some people think it's 2; others think it's 3. I'm in camp 3 but unlike some here, I see nothing wrong with it. I just think it's disingenuous to pretend like "GOSH, I'm just going to watch my BOYFRIEND play football with my FRIENDS, can I LIVE?" when, for example, you're rocking up to the stadium with a gaggle of A-list celebrities and you're a savvy businesswoman who knows exactly what kind of reaction that will get.

But where is Taylor saying “gosh I’m just trying to watch my boyfriend play Let me live!” She’s really not out there complaining a ton. She’s not testifying in front of congress about privacy one day while calling the paps to come watch her at the playground like some other celebrities have done. (I really can’t stand the hypocrisy of the we want privacy crowd while having paparazzi on speed dial).

I think the three options you gave are over simplified. I think she’s living her life, and probably does enjoy some of the attention as he does. It’s really not that surprising, she is a celebrity and a popstar… Are we surprised that she likes attention? It’s just the constant criticism of her because of it that is so odd to me.

Celebrities like to be celebrities sometimes. Famous people like attention. This kind of life is my nightmare- I’m as introverted as they come - but I’m glad others are not because it’s fun to sit in my couch and watch!

I thought she said that when someone yelled that she was ruining football and she replied I'm not doing anything. Also when she said something about supporting each other in a relationship and Brads and Chads something something - sorry not a Swiftie and too lazy to google.

https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article282745283.html

The quote in question comes from a Time Magazine article on her being the person of the year:

"Swift’s private life has long served as both grist for the tabloid mill and inspiration for her own work; she split from her longtime boyfriend, actor Joe Alwyn, earlier this year. Most recently, she’s been dating the NFL star Travis Kelce, as has been well documented when she attends his games. 'I don’t know how they know what suite I’m in,' she says. 'There’s a camera, like, a half-mile away, and you don’t know where it is, and you have no idea when the camera is putting you in the broadcast, so I don’t know if I’m being shown 17 times or once.' She is sensitive to the attention that’s put on her when she shows up. 'I’m just there to support Travis,' she says. 'I have no awareness of if I’m being shown too much and pissing off a few dads, Brads, and Chads.'"

Source: https://time.com/6342806/person-of-the-year-2023-taylor-swift/

Okay that's interesting. The wording makes it sound like she was just asked generally about the attention she gets at games and SHE is the one to chose to be somewhat combative/defensive with the "dads, Brads, and Chads" quote. So she clearly follows the conversation about whether she's being shown "too much" or whatever. I happen to agree with her that how much she's shown during a game is the network/NFL's choice and not hers, so if people have annoyance with her being show, their annoyance is with someone else.

But I also think there is a level of obliviousness here. Or maybe she's being disingenuous. Some games she went to and dressed pretty normally and seemed like just a regular fan, and if the broadcast chose to focus on her or not, that was on them.

But she seemed to selectively choose games where she went out of her way to grab attention. The first game she attended (her clothes were especially fussy, she was pulling a lot of big faces in the booth, and then afterwards with her taking the "long walk" with Kelce out to his convertible). To me that game, and her behavior at it, was clearly choreographed to some extent to attract attention and announce to the world that they were together. She as much admitted this later when she explained they'd been dating for a while and would not have done a "hard launch" of their first date. Meaning she viewed that game as the "hard launch" of their relationship. This is the kind of behavior and language that leads people to dismiss it as fake and roll their eyes.

I also think the Jets game where she showed up rolling like 5 deep with A-list celebs, wearing thigh high boots and bedazzled Daisy Dukes, was 100% her knowing that game was primetime, in NY, people knew she was coming, and wanting to milk it for attention. This was not the behavior of someone who just wanted to go watch her BF play football and didn't care who knew. This was someone who was looking for clicks.

She then was lower key for a while, going to games but not doing anything that I would describe as attention grabbing. But in the playoffs (and potentially one of the late season games), she's milked it. These are all nationally broadcast games with a lot of attention. She's working the WAG angle with the custom outfits with Travis's number, we get all the photos of her pre and post game with the family, obviously the scene on the field after the AFC championship game. Some of this feels highly choreographed to get attention. At the same time, there have been regular "leaks" detailing their Christmas together, including what I view as tacky-a$$ PR crap like detailing their gifts to each other (which are all obviously branded deals because it's not like "she gave him some luggage", it's like "Taylor gifted Travis and several teammates with custom LV weekender bags in classic Chiefs colors." That comes off fake af and also sounds like something they are getting paid to do (or at least comped the cost of gifts in exchange for the free advertising).

So on the one hand, I agree with her. People saying she's "ruining football" are crazy, she's shown for a few second and she doesn't decide if or how much she's shown. But on the other hand, the rumors that it's a fake relationship or just for publicity are grounded in some really obviously PR-focused behavior, including her own words describing her first Chiefs game as a "hard launch" and the obvious brand-affiliated coverage of their relationship. I'm not a "dad, Brad, or Chad" but I am pretty skeptical about the depth of their love here. It just strikes me as opportunism.

If they are using her image for their own ratings and gain, why shouldn’t she monetize it?

If I knew I would never be able to just watch a game like a normal person, I would dress all out too, and try to get something from it.

People are going to hate hate hate on her anyway so she might as well milk it. And the other celebs she shows up with need her too. They are all just giving people what they want.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:There's hiding it, there's going about one's business with no regard to how it comes across to the public, and then there's packaging and monetizing it in ways that they know will generate as much attention and buzz as possible. All of these are choices available to Taylor and Travis.

Some people think it's 2; others think it's 3. I'm in camp 3 but unlike some here, I see nothing wrong with it. I just think it's disingenuous to pretend like "GOSH, I'm just going to watch my BOYFRIEND play football with my FRIENDS, can I LIVE?" when, for example, you're rocking up to the stadium with a gaggle of A-list celebrities and you're a savvy businesswoman who knows exactly what kind of reaction that will get.

But where is Taylor saying “gosh I’m just trying to watch my boyfriend play Let me live!” She’s really not out there complaining a ton. She’s not testifying in front of congress about privacy one day while calling the paps to come watch her at the playground like some other celebrities have done. (I really can’t stand the hypocrisy of the we want privacy crowd while having paparazzi on speed dial).

I think the three options you gave are over simplified. I think she’s living her life, and probably does enjoy some of the attention as he does. It’s really not that surprising, she is a celebrity and a popstar… Are we surprised that she likes attention? It’s just the constant criticism of her because of it that is so odd to me.

Celebrities like to be celebrities sometimes. Famous people like attention. This kind of life is my nightmare- I’m as introverted as they come - but I’m glad others are not because it’s fun to sit in my couch and watch!

I thought she said that when someone yelled that she was ruining football and she replied I'm not doing anything. Also when she said something about supporting each other in a relationship and Brads and Chads something something - sorry not a Swiftie and too lazy to google.

https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article282745283.html

The quote in question comes from a Time Magazine article on her being the person of the year:

"Swift’s private life has long served as both grist for the tabloid mill and inspiration for her own work; she split from her longtime boyfriend, actor Joe Alwyn, earlier this year. Most recently, she’s been dating the NFL star Travis Kelce, as has been well documented when she attends his games. 'I don’t know how they know what suite I’m in,' she says. 'There’s a camera, like, a half-mile away, and you don’t know where it is, and you have no idea when the camera is putting you in the broadcast, so I don’t know if I’m being shown 17 times or once.' She is sensitive to the attention that’s put on her when she shows up. 'I’m just there to support Travis,' she says. 'I have no awareness of if I’m being shown too much and pissing off a few dads, Brads, and Chads.'"

Source: https://time.com/6342806/person-of-the-year-2023-taylor-swift/

See, this is the kind of thing that is disingenuous at best and shouldn’t fool anyone with more than two brain cells to rub together. Gee golly, how did those cameras possibly know how to find me in the Kelce suite! I have no idea the cameras are going to pan over to me every time he makes a play! Come ON. She knows she’s going to be featured prominently and she likes that. Her fans like that too. That’s okay! She’s an entertainer doing things her fans find entertaining. Good for her. Again, no snark. But it’s quite silly for the most famous woman in the world, and one who is known for her marketing savvy, to pretend she doesn’t know exactly what she’s doing here.

[Anonymous]

No one believed Gwen and Blake were the real deal either. And if you say you did, they no one believes you. Whether or not publicists are involved at the beginning.

[Anonymous]

Super Bowl chant!

FTS!
FTS!
FTS!

It'd be great!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:There's hiding it, there's going about one's business with no regard to how it comes across to the public, and then there's packaging and monetizing it in ways that they know will generate as much attention and buzz as possible. All of these are choices available to Taylor and Travis.

Some people think it's 2; others think it's 3. I'm in camp 3 but unlike some here, I see nothing wrong with it. I just think it's disingenuous to pretend like "GOSH, I'm just going to watch my BOYFRIEND play football with my FRIENDS, can I LIVE?" when, for example, you're rocking up to the stadium with a gaggle of A-list celebrities and you're a savvy businesswoman who knows exactly what kind of reaction that will get.

But where is Taylor saying “gosh I’m just trying to watch my boyfriend play Let me live!” She’s really not out there complaining a ton. She’s not testifying in front of congress about privacy one day while calling the paps to come watch her at the playground like some other celebrities have done. (I really can’t stand the hypocrisy of the we want privacy crowd while having paparazzi on speed dial).

I think the three options you gave are over simplified. I think she’s living her life, and probably does enjoy some of the attention as he does. It’s really not that surprising, she is a celebrity and a popstar… Are we surprised that she likes attention? It’s just the constant criticism of her because of it that is so odd to me.

Celebrities like to be celebrities sometimes. Famous people like attention. This kind of life is my nightmare- I’m as introverted as they come - but I’m glad others are not because it’s fun to sit in my couch and watch!

I thought she said that when someone yelled that she was ruining football and she replied I'm not doing anything. Also when she said something about supporting each other in a relationship and Brads and Chads something something - sorry not a Swiftie and too lazy to google.

https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article282745283.html

The quote in question comes from a Time Magazine article on her being the person of the year:

"Swift’s private life has long served as both grist for the tabloid mill and inspiration for her own work; she split from her longtime boyfriend, actor Joe Alwyn, earlier this year. Most recently, she’s been dating the NFL star Travis Kelce, as has been well documented when she attends his games. 'I don’t know how they know what suite I’m in,' she says. 'There’s a camera, like, a half-mile away, and you don’t know where it is, and you have no idea when the camera is putting you in the broadcast, so I don’t know if I’m being shown 17 times or once.' She is sensitive to the attention that’s put on her when she shows up. 'I’m just there to support Travis,' she says. 'I have no awareness of if I’m being shown too much and pissing off a few dads, Brads, and Chads.'"

Source: https://time.com/6342806/person-of-the-year-2023-taylor-swift/

See, this is the kind of thing that is disingenuous at best and shouldn’t fool anyone with more than two brain cells to rub together. Gee golly, how did those cameras possibly know how to find me in the Kelce suite! I have no idea the cameras are going to pan over to me every time he makes a play! Come ON. She knows she’s going to be featured prominently and she likes that. Her fans like that too. That’s okay! She’s an entertainer doing things her fans find entertaining. Good for her. Again, no snark. But it’s quite silly for the most famous woman in the world, and one who is known for her marketing savvy, to pretend she doesn’t know exactly what she’s doing here.

24 seconds. Broadcasts pan to her an average of 24 seconds per game. This, for a global superstar cheering for an MVP player on a Super Bowl bound team. 24 seconds.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If they started talking in July or August which was stated here why is Travis DMing and liking pics in September…

This seems like a very middle school level clutching of pearls.

There is a difference between liking some photos and having a romantic interest. If Travis intended to be dishonest with Taylor, he would never like these photos on instagram for everyone to see, including Taylor. No man who wants to cheat does so in broad daylight. Taylor may have even encouraged him to do so to keep their relationship under wraps.

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Anonymous wrote:If they started talking in July or August which was stated here why is Travis DMing and liking pics in September…

I didn’t realize the woman in the pics is nominated for a few Grammy’s. Her father is also a retired NFL player. Rumor is Travis really was smitten with her. They would have made a cute couple!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There's hiding it, there's going about one's business with no regard to how it comes across to the public, and then there's packaging and monetizing it in ways that they know will generate as much attention and buzz as possible. All of these are choices available to Taylor and Travis.

Some people think it's 2; others think it's 3. I'm in camp 3 but unlike some here, I see nothing wrong with it. I just think it's disingenuous to pretend like "GOSH, I'm just going to watch my BOYFRIEND play football with my FRIENDS, can I LIVE?" when, for example, you're rocking up to the stadium with a gaggle of A-list celebrities and you're a savvy businesswoman who knows exactly what kind of reaction that will get.

But where is Taylor saying “gosh I’m just trying to watch my boyfriend play Let me live!” She’s really not out there complaining a ton. She’s not testifying in front of congress about privacy one day while calling the paps to come watch her at the playground like some other celebrities have done. (I really can’t stand the hypocrisy of the we want privacy crowd while having paparazzi on speed dial).

I think the three options you gave are over simplified. I think she’s living her life, and probably does enjoy some of the attention as he does. It’s really not that surprising, she is a celebrity and a popstar… Are we surprised that she likes attention? It’s just the constant criticism of her because of it that is so odd to me.

Celebrities like to be celebrities sometimes. Famous people like attention. This kind of life is my nightmare- I’m as introverted as they come - but I’m glad others are not because it’s fun to sit in my couch and watch!

I thought she said that when someone yelled that she was ruining football and she replied I'm not doing anything. Also when she said something about supporting each other in a relationship and Brads and Chads something something - sorry not a Swiftie and too lazy to google.

https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article282745283.html

The quote in question comes from a Time Magazine article on her being the person of the year:

"Swift’s private life has long served as both grist for the tabloid mill and inspiration for her own work; she split from her longtime boyfriend, actor Joe Alwyn, earlier this year. Most recently, she’s been dating the NFL star Travis Kelce, as has been well documented when she attends his games. 'I don’t know how they know what suite I’m in,' she says. 'There’s a camera, like, a half-mile away, and you don’t know where it is, and you have no idea when the camera is putting you in the broadcast, so I don’t know if I’m being shown 17 times or once.' She is sensitive to the attention that’s put on her when she shows up. 'I’m just there to support Travis,' she says. 'I have no awareness of if I’m being shown too much and pissing off a few dads, Brads, and Chads.'"

Source: https://time.com/6342806/person-of-the-year-2023-taylor-swift/

See, this is the kind of thing that is disingenuous at best and shouldn’t fool anyone with more than two brain cells to rub together. Gee golly, how did those cameras possibly know how to find me in the Kelce suite! I have no idea the cameras are going to pan over to me every time he makes a play! Come ON. She knows she’s going to be featured prominently and she likes that. Her fans like that too. That’s okay! She’s an entertainer doing things her fans find entertaining. Good for her. Again, no snark. But it’s quite silly for the most famous woman in the world, and one who is known for her marketing savvy, to pretend she doesn’t know exactly what she’s doing here.

24 seconds. Broadcasts pan to her an average of 24 seconds per game. This, for a global superstar cheering for an MVP player on a Super Bowl bound team. 24 seconds.

The people who are upset about this are looking for reasons to be upset. Their stated reasons aren't their real reasons. They resent something that they feel uncomfortable voicing so they make up grievances.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There's hiding it, there's going about one's business with no regard to how it comes across to the public, and then there's packaging and monetizing it in ways that they know will generate as much attention and buzz as possible. All of these are choices available to Taylor and Travis.

Some people think it's 2; others think it's 3. I'm in camp 3 but unlike some here, I see nothing wrong with it. I just think it's disingenuous to pretend like "GOSH, I'm just going to watch my BOYFRIEND play football with my FRIENDS, can I LIVE?" when, for example, you're rocking up to the stadium with a gaggle of A-list celebrities and you're a savvy businesswoman who knows exactly what kind of reaction that will get.

But where is Taylor saying “gosh I’m just trying to watch my boyfriend play Let me live!” She’s really not out there complaining a ton. She’s not testifying in front of congress about privacy one day while calling the paps to come watch her at the playground like some other celebrities have done. (I really can’t stand the hypocrisy of the we want privacy crowd while having paparazzi on speed dial).

I think the three options you gave are over simplified. I think she’s living her life, and probably does enjoy some of the attention as he does. It’s really not that surprising, she is a celebrity and a popstar… Are we surprised that she likes attention? It’s just the constant criticism of her because of it that is so odd to me.

Celebrities like to be celebrities sometimes. Famous people like attention. This kind of life is my nightmare- I’m as introverted as they come - but I’m glad others are not because it’s fun to sit in my couch and watch!

I thought she said that when someone yelled that she was ruining football and she replied I'm not doing anything. Also when she said something about supporting each other in a relationship and Brads and Chads something something - sorry not a Swiftie and too lazy to google.

https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article282745283.html

The quote in question comes from a Time Magazine article on her being the person of the year:

"Swift’s private life has long served as both grist for the tabloid mill and inspiration for her own work; she split from her longtime boyfriend, actor Joe Alwyn, earlier this year. Most recently, she’s been dating the NFL star Travis Kelce, as has been well documented when she attends his games. 'I don’t know how they know what suite I’m in,' she says. 'There’s a camera, like, a half-mile away, and you don’t know where it is, and you have no idea when the camera is putting you in the broadcast, so I don’t know if I’m being shown 17 times or once.' She is sensitive to the attention that’s put on her when she shows up. 'I’m just there to support Travis,' she says. 'I have no awareness of if I’m being shown too much and pissing off a few dads, Brads, and Chads.'"

Source: https://time.com/6342806/person-of-the-year-2023-taylor-swift/

Okay that's interesting. The wording makes it sound like she was just asked generally about the attention she gets at games and SHE is the one to chose to be somewhat combative/defensive with the "dads, Brads, and Chads" quote. So she clearly follows the conversation about whether she's being shown "too much" or whatever. I happen to agree with her that how much she's shown during a game is the network/NFL's choice and not hers, so if people have annoyance with her being show, their annoyance is with someone else.

But I also think there is a level of obliviousness here. Or maybe she's being disingenuous. Some games she went to and dressed pretty normally and seemed like just a regular fan, and if the broadcast chose to focus on her or not, that was on them.

But she seemed to selectively choose games where she went out of her way to grab attention. The first game she attended (her clothes were especially fussy, she was pulling a lot of big faces in the booth, and then afterwards with her taking the "long walk" with Kelce out to his convertible). To me that game, and her behavior at it, was clearly choreographed to some extent to attract attention and announce to the world that they were together. She as much admitted this later when she explained they'd been dating for a while and would not have done a "hard launch" of their first date. Meaning she viewed that game as the "hard launch" of their relationship. This is the kind of behavior and language that leads people to dismiss it as fake and roll their eyes.

I also think the Jets game where she showed up rolling like 5 deep with A-list celebs, wearing thigh high boots and bedazzled Daisy Dukes, was 100% her knowing that game was primetime, in NY, people knew she was coming, and wanting to milk it for attention. This was not the behavior of someone who just wanted to go watch her BF play football and didn't care who knew. This was someone who was looking for clicks.

She then was lower key for a while, going to games but not doing anything that I would describe as attention grabbing. But in the playoffs (and potentially one of the late season games), she's milked it. These are all nationally broadcast games with a lot of attention. She's working the WAG angle with the custom outfits with Travis's number, we get all the photos of her pre and post game with the family, obviously the scene on the field after the AFC championship game. Some of this feels highly choreographed to get attention. At the same time, there have been regular "leaks" detailing their Christmas together, including what I view as tacky-a$$ PR crap like detailing their gifts to each other (which are all obviously branded deals because it's not like "she gave him some luggage", it's like "Taylor gifted Travis and several teammates with custom LV weekender bags in classic Chiefs colors." That comes off fake af and also sounds like something they are getting paid to do (or at least comped the cost of gifts in exchange for the free advertising).

So on the one hand, I agree with her. People saying she's "ruining football" are crazy, she's shown for a few second and she doesn't decide if or how much she's shown. But on the other hand, the rumors that it's a fake relationship or just for publicity are grounded in some really obviously PR-focused behavior, including her own words describing her first Chiefs game as a "hard launch" and the obvious brand-affiliated coverage of their relationship. I'm not a "dad, Brad, or Chad" but I am pretty skeptical about the depth of their love here. It just strikes me as opportunism.

If they are using her image for their own ratings and gain, why shouldn’t she monetize it?

If I knew I would never be able to just watch a game like a normal person, I would dress all out too, and try to get something from it.

People are going to hate hate hate on her anyway so she might as well milk it. And the other celebs she shows up with need her too. They are all just giving people what they want.

She can "milk it" if she wants, but the point is that when she does so, it looks opportunistic (because it is) and then people question the legitimacy of the relationship. Which is normal.

The issue is you cannot have it both ways. Yes, "haters gonna hate." But (1) haters are also consumers, so you have to decide which haters you are okay pissing off and which you are not, and (2) sometimes haters have a point.

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They seemed so happy together after he won on Sunday. I just don't give a crap about the rest of this analysis. I see two people who seem genuinely happy to be together, seem genuinely happy to support one another (who honestly gives two craps about what she's wearing to a game). There's way too much "let's analyze every aspect of this relationship about two people who we'll never meet." Just stop already. They're giving us nuggets of happiness, why second guess it? When/if they break up, fine, but for now they're happy with each other. (What "fake" girlfriend flies from Japan for a game. That woman would do nothing to jeopardize her tour, no way would she do that unless she absolutely wanted to.)

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Anonymous wrote:If they started talking in July or August which was stated here why is Travis DMing and liking pics in September…

This seems like a very middle school level clutching of pearls.

There is a difference between liking some photos and having a romantic interest. If Travis intended to be dishonest with Taylor, he would never like these photos on instagram for everyone to see, including Taylor. No man who wants to cheat does so in broad daylight. Taylor may have even encouraged him to do so to keep their relationship under wraps.

I actually just think men who engage in this kind of Instagram-hottie stalking are kind of icky, so this makes me think Travis is kind of icky. That is all. I don't assume he cheated on Taylor because of it, and it's up to her, not me, to decide if she thinks this is fine.

If I was dating a guy and found out he was doing stuff like this, I would move on from him. Even if he was famous NFL player, yes. I have no time for guys like this. It's not the kind of person I want.

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Anonymous wrote:They seemed so happy together after he won on Sunday. I just don't give a crap about the rest of this analysis. I see two people who seem genuinely happy to be together, seem genuinely happy to support one another (who honestly gives two craps about what she's wearing to a game). There's way too much "let's analyze every aspect of this relationship about two people who we'll never meet." Just stop already. They're giving us nuggets of happiness, why second guess it? When/if they break up, fine, but for now they're happy with each other. (What "fake" girlfriend flies from Japan for a game. That woman would do nothing to jeopardize her tour, no way would she do that unless she absolutely wanted to.)

Then go away! This thread is literally for "let's analyze every aspect of this relationship about two people who we'll never meet." That's why the rest of us are here. If you just want to say you're happy for them and you genuinely don't give a crap about the rest, why on earth would you be here, on PAGE 90 of this freaking thread?

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Anonymous wrote:There's hiding it, there's going about one's business with no regard to how it comes across to the public, and then there's packaging and monetizing it in ways that they know will generate as much attention and buzz as possible. All of these are choices available to Taylor and Travis.

Some people think it's 2; others think it's 3. I'm in camp 3 but unlike some here, I see nothing wrong with it. I just think it's disingenuous to pretend like "GOSH, I'm just going to watch my BOYFRIEND play football with my FRIENDS, can I LIVE?" when, for example, you're rocking up to the stadium with a gaggle of A-list celebrities and you're a savvy businesswoman who knows exactly what kind of reaction that will get.

But where is Taylor saying “gosh I’m just trying to watch my boyfriend play Let me live!” She’s really not out there complaining a ton. She’s not testifying in front of congress about privacy one day while calling the paps to come watch her at the playground like some other celebrities have done. (I really can’t stand the hypocrisy of the we want privacy crowd while having paparazzi on speed dial).

I think the three options you gave are over simplified. I think she’s living her life, and probably does enjoy some of the attention as he does. It’s really not that surprising, she is a celebrity and a popstar… Are we surprised that she likes attention? It’s just the constant criticism of her because of it that is so odd to me.

Celebrities like to be celebrities sometimes. Famous people like attention. This kind of life is my nightmare- I’m as introverted as they come - but I’m glad others are not because it’s fun to sit in my couch and watch!

I thought she said that when someone yelled that she was ruining football and she replied I'm not doing anything. Also when she said something about supporting each other in a relationship and Brads and Chads something something - sorry not a Swiftie and too lazy to google.

https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article282745283.html

The quote in question comes from a Time Magazine article on her being the person of the year:

"Swift’s private life has long served as both grist for the tabloid mill and inspiration for her own work; she split from her longtime boyfriend, actor Joe Alwyn, earlier this year. Most recently, she’s been dating the NFL star Travis Kelce, as has been well documented when she attends his games. 'I don’t know how they know what suite I’m in,' she says. 'There’s a camera, like, a half-mile away, and you don’t know where it is, and you have no idea when the camera is putting you in the broadcast, so I don’t know if I’m being shown 17 times or once.' She is sensitive to the attention that’s put on her when she shows up. 'I’m just there to support Travis,' she says. 'I have no awareness of if I’m being shown too much and pissing off a few dads, Brads, and Chads.'"

Source: https://time.com/6342806/person-of-the-year-2023-taylor-swift/

Okay that's interesting. The wording makes it sound like she was just asked generally about the attention she gets at games and SHE is the one to chose to be somewhat combative/defensive with the "dads, Brads, and Chads" quote. So she clearly follows the conversation about whether she's being shown "too much" or whatever. I happen to agree with her that how much she's shown during a game is the network/NFL's choice and not hers, so if people have annoyance with her being show, their annoyance is with someone else.

But I also think there is a level of obliviousness here. Or maybe she's being disingenuous. Some games she went to and dressed pretty normally and seemed like just a regular fan, and if the broadcast chose to focus on her or not, that was on them.

But she seemed to selectively choose games where she went out of her way to grab attention. The first game she attended (her clothes were especially fussy, she was pulling a lot of big faces in the booth, and then afterwards with her taking the "long walk" with Kelce out to his convertible). To me that game, and her behavior at it, was clearly choreographed to some extent to attract attention and announce to the world that they were together. She as much admitted this later when she explained they'd been dating for a while and would not have done a "hard launch" of their first date. Meaning she viewed that game as the "hard launch" of their relationship. This is the kind of behavior and language that leads people to dismiss it as fake and roll their eyes.

I also think the Jets game where she showed up rolling like 5 deep with A-list celebs, wearing thigh high boots and bedazzled Daisy Dukes, was 100% her knowing that game was primetime, in NY, people knew she was coming, and wanting to milk it for attention. This was not the behavior of someone who just wanted to go watch her BF play football and didn't care who knew. This was someone who was looking for clicks.

She then was lower key for a while, going to games but not doing anything that I would describe as attention grabbing. But in the playoffs (and potentially one of the late season games), she's milked it. These are all nationally broadcast games with a lot of attention. She's working the WAG angle with the custom outfits with Travis's number, we get all the photos of her pre and post game with the family, obviously the scene on the field after the AFC championship game. Some of this feels highly choreographed to get attention. At the same time, there have been regular "leaks" detailing their Christmas together, including what I view as tacky-a$$ PR crap like detailing their gifts to each other (which are all obviously branded deals because it's not like "she gave him some luggage", it's like "Taylor gifted Travis and several teammates with custom LV weekender bags in classic Chiefs colors." That comes off fake af and also sounds like something they are getting paid to do (or at least comped the cost of gifts in exchange for the free advertising).

So on the one hand, I agree with her. People saying she's "ruining football" are crazy, she's shown for a few second and she doesn't decide if or how much she's shown. But on the other hand, the rumors that it's a fake relationship or just for publicity are grounded in some really obviously PR-focused behavior, including her own words describing her first Chiefs game as a "hard launch" and the obvious brand-affiliated coverage of their relationship. I'm not a "dad, Brad, or Chad" but I am pretty skeptical about the depth of their love here. It just strikes me as opportunism.

If they are using her image for their own ratings and gain, why shouldn’t she monetize it?

If I knew I would never be able to just watch a game like a normal person, I would dress all out too, and try to get something from it.

People are going to hate hate hate on her anyway so she might as well milk it. And the other celebs she shows up with need her too. They are all just giving people what they want.

She can "milk it" if she wants, but the point is that when she does so, it looks opportunistic (because it is) and then people question the legitimacy of the relationship. Which is normal.

The issue is you cannot have it both ways. Yes, "haters gonna hate." But (1) haters are also consumers, so you have to decide which haters you are okay pissing off and which you are not, and (2) sometimes haters have a point.

I mean, it's really not.
What exactly are you a consumer of here?