Is it true the Big 3 kids are getting hammered this year- and by that I mean bad admissions results?

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Anonymous wrote:How the f do colleges take this into account when looking at applicants? They might as well just pull names out of a hat?

Or they
1)recalculate the GPA
2) consider standardized test scores
If a student has a 4.0 UW and a 4.7+ W gpa and has SAT score 1550+, 800 SAT subject scores and a dozen 5s in AP exams that tells you the high GPA reflects the student’s true ability.

At least I hope this is what is happening!
The top colleges are aware that many private schools don’t weight GPAs and are very used to evaluating these students.
I think it might actually be harder for a top public school student to stand out from above average students if there is a lot of grade inflation.
So I hope they are looking for consistently high performance in grades and test scores.
If a student gets an A in AP World History but gets a 4 on the AP exam that should be noted

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Anonymous wrote:Some of us send our kids to private because they are for certain with folks who chose to value education given the price tag. We all know that who you are friends with and work with shapes who you are and what you aspire to. Some of us chose private as it underscores religious beliefs we as parents profess. Some (looking at you DCPS) don’t want our kids walking though metal detectors, or in overcrowded classrooms. I don’t know that the experimental “testing optional” will work out. I dont know that the other aspects of life that weaken a child’s performance in school won’t carry to college. But what I do know is that I am giving my child the best education - which is about values and work ethic and yes, academic rigor - that I could afford.

You keep telling yourself that while you think about the hundreds of thousands of dollars you wasted while a kid from Wilson takes your spot at the school you covet and feel you are entitled to. I wish I could be there to see the misery on DCs face - you deserve it.

Wow. You have... issues.

You don't have to sit there pickling in your own hatred. You could step outside, get some therapy, learn a better way to live.

No hatred, only amusement at watching the entitled not getting what they want.

You are truly messed up.

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Anonymous wrote:W school parent and longtime Ivy interviewer here. I haven’t noticed a significant drop in admissions to the very top schools (mainly hypsm). For the big 3 parents, I’d imagine that the increasing access for applicabts from traditionally disadvantaged backgrounds and weaker public is creating a lot of pressure for slots at roughly T30 but not T10 schools. So for the parents of kids who did ok and thought being a Sidwell grad was a kind of insurance policy, they are seeing kids slide further down. It’s also the case that as you get out of T10 you start looking more at admissions policies y that downweight the soft parts of the application, where those big 3 kids tend to shine.

For those who think the public kids are all racking up the 4.5w by cheating, that’s offensive and totally untrue. As someone with a degree from an Honor Code university, I won’t tolerate those types of accusations. Trust goes both ways.

My DC has friends who opening admit to cheating! Obviously not everyone is doing it, but you can't be serious that you think it's not happening to a moderate extent.

As a college math professor, cheating is rampant. Obviously we have honest students but more students are cheating than I have seen in 30 yrs. and I only catch blatant ones who copy word for word from a website that makes no sense in terms of curriculum but ends up with the correct answer. Parents- check your kids phones and computers for Chegg (will do ANY problem) so don't even get on me about writing better tests. Look at photo math (take a picture and the problem is done!), Symbolab, course hero, mathway. I can't get over how many parents think their kids are so honest.

As the PP of the bolded, after I point out that you misrepresented my point (which was about accusations against public school kids by a private school parent) as something about college kids (a mixed population of public and private parents), I’m going to point out that I don’t believe your claim to be a college math prof, because you’d know that Wolfram Alpha is the way to get a computer to give you the answers to symbolic math problems ....

This is so DCUM. Translation: “My kid is a perfect snowflake, so your kids must be cheating. Also, I’ve never heard of the (widely known) iPhone apps that you mentioned so I’ll disbelieve you and mention the one dozen year old desktop package I’ve heard of.”

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Anonymous wrote:W school parent and longtime Ivy interviewer here. I haven’t noticed a significant drop in admissions to the very top schools (mainly hypsm). For the big 3 parents, I’d imagine that the increasing access for applicabts from traditionally disadvantaged backgrounds and weaker public is creating a lot of pressure for slots at roughly T30 but not T10 schools. So for the parents of kids who did ok and thought being a Sidwell grad was a kind of insurance policy, they are seeing kids slide further down. It’s also the case that as you get out of T10 you start looking more at admissions policies y that downweight the soft parts of the application, where those big 3 kids tend to shine.

For those who think the public kids are all racking up the 4.5w by cheating, that’s offensive and totally untrue. As someone with a degree from an Honor Code university, I won’t tolerate those types of accusations. Trust goes both ways.

My DC has friends who opening admit to cheating! Obviously not everyone is doing it, but you can't be serious that you think it's not happening to a moderate extent.

As a college math professor, cheating is rampant. Obviously we have honest students but more students are cheating than I have seen in 30 yrs. and I only catch blatant ones who copy word for word from a website that makes no sense in terms of curriculum but ends up with the correct answer. Parents- check your kids phones and computers for Chegg (will do ANY problem) so don't even get on me about writing better tests. Look at photo math (take a picture and the problem is done!), Symbolab, course hero, mathway. I can't get over how many parents think their kids are so honest.

As the PP of the bolded, after I point out that you misrepresented my point (which was about accusations against public school kids by a private school parent) as something about college kids (a mixed population of public and private parents), I’m going to point out that I don’t believe your claim to be a college math prof, because you’d know that Wolfram Alpha is the way to get a computer to give you the answers to symbolic math problems ....

This is so DCUM. Translation: “My kid is a perfect snowflake, so your kids must be cheating. Also, I’ve never heard of the (widely known) iPhone apps that you mentioned so I’ll disbelieve you and mention the one dozen year old desktop package I’ve heard of.”

More misrepresentation. My point is “my kid is not a cheater and you will not accuse him/her without evidence. There is another poster who has repeatedly called public kids learning remotely cheaters while asserting that only private kids with proctored test results have transcripts that can be trusted.

I’m not even going to argue with you on the iPhone apps. But alpha will do many integrals that other packages won’t do.

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Anonymous wrote:Is it just me or do a whole lot of these posts read as "I paid a ton of money for my privileged kid to go to private high school with the expectation that they'd get into a fancy-ass college and I am big mad that they are being lapped by a bunch of public school kids I do not know who I assume are undeserving and not as worthy as my precious darling."

YIKES.

That's exactly what it sounds like......LOL

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Other than all being wrong and the admissions being up across the board.

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My kid has close to a 4.5 coming from a public school and it means absolutely nothing; might not even be top 20% of her class. She’s learned almost nothing the last year. Grades are determined by which kids are willing to grind/retake tests; they’re not a reflection in any way of content mastery.

This is only true for public schools. Private school kids aren't allowed to turn work in at the last minute and get full credit or retake tests to get a higher score.

My public school kid can do retakes. On any major test where she scores below an 80%. The most she can bring up that test score to, however, is an 80. So believe what you will but public school kids 4.5 gpa is impressive.

That’s still a huge advantage. One bad day and a 65 on a test can tank a class average. An 80 is much easier to overcome.

My private school kid missed a deadline for an assignment the other day and got a zero. He has to just live with that and work harder to bring his class grade back up to an A. He’ll probably do that by the end of the year, but he’s learned a lesson about keeping up with his assignments and not digging himself into a hole.

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My kid has close to a 4.5 coming from a public school and it means absolutely nothing; might not even be top 20% of her class. She’s learned almost nothing the last year. Grades are determined by which kids are willing to grind/retake tests; they’re not a reflection in any way of content mastery.

This is only true for public schools. Private school kids aren't allowed to turn work in at the last minute and get full credit or retake tests to get a higher score.

My public school kid can do retakes. On any major test where she scores below an 80%. The most she can bring up that test score to, however, is an 80. So believe what you will but public school kids 4.5 gpa is impressive.

That’s still a huge advantage. One bad day and a 65 on a test can tank a class average. An 80 is much easier to overcome.

My private school kid missed a deadline for an assignment the other day and got a zero. He has to just live with that and work harder to bring his class grade back up to an A. He’ll probably do that by the end of the year, but he’s learned a lesson about keeping up with his assignments and not digging himself into a hole.

My public school kids have had no benefit of test retakes.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a kid who is a sophomore at a Big 3 and by that let's say I mean St Albans/NCS, GDS, Sidwell or Maret. I have heard through my school grapevine that this year the kids at the elite privates are having terrible results-
especially the unhooked kids. I have heard that they are negatively affected by test-optional, the elimination of AP's and grade deflation.

Ok please tell me your experiences- Big 3 parents only please...I am not interested in hearing how well your W school kid did, or how stupid you think I am for paying private school tuition.

OP,

What you were hearing were results after the ED round which really were shockingly awful. But things have since settled down in the ED2 and RD rounds and some are hopeful for wait list movement. At my son's school, here is what I can gather.

Harvard (multiple), Yale (multiple), Princeton (multiple), Columbia, Dartmouth (multiple), Cornell (multiple), Chicago (multiple), Bates, Boston College, Bowdoin (multiple), Berkeley, Denver, Duke, Indiana, McGill, Miami, Michigan, Northwestern, Notre Dame, Pomona, Richmond, Rollins, St. Andrews (multiple), Temple, Tulane, UCLA, UNC, UT, UVA, Wake, Wash U (multiple), Wesleyan, West Point, Washington and Lee (multiple), Williams, Wisconsin

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Anonymous wrote:I have a kid who is a sophomore at a Big 3 and by that let's say I mean St Albans/NCS, GDS, Sidwell or Maret. I have heard through my school grapevine that this year the kids at the elite privates are having terrible results-
especially the unhooked kids. I have heard that they are negatively affected by test-optional, the elimination of AP's and grade deflation.

Ok please tell me your experiences- Big 3 parents only please...I am not interested in hearing how well your W school kid did, or how stupid you think I am for paying private school tuition.

OP,

What you were hearing were results after the ED round which really were shockingly awful. But things have since settled down in the ED2 and RD rounds and some are hopeful for wait list movement. At my son's school, here is what I can gather.

Harvard (multiple), Yale (multiple), Princeton (multiple), Columbia, Dartmouth (multiple), Cornell (multiple), Chicago (multiple), Bates, Boston College, Bowdoin (multiple), Berkeley, Denver, Duke, Indiana, McGill, Miami, Michigan, Northwestern, Notre Dame, Pomona, Richmond, Rollins, St. Andrews (multiple), Temple, Tulane, UCLA, UNC, UT, UVA, Wake, Wash U (multiple), Wesleyan, West Point, Washington and Lee (multiple), Williams, Wisconsin

This is a great list....

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I have heard about half 2/3 at one "big3" and the list is very impressive.

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Anonymous wrote:I have heard about half 2/3 at one "big3" and the list is very impressive.

I would expect nothing less. There are no sea
Changes occurring. The top schools still place
The greatest percentages into elite schools.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a kid who is a sophomore at a Big 3 and by that let's say I mean St Albans/NCS, GDS, Sidwell or Maret. I have heard through my school grapevine that this year the kids at the elite privates are having terrible results-
especially the unhooked kids. I have heard that they are negatively affected by test-optional, the elimination of AP's and grade deflation.

Ok please tell me your experiences- Big 3 parents only please...I am not interested in hearing how well your W school kid did, or how stupid you think I am for paying private school tuition.

OP,

What you were hearing were results after the ED round which really were shockingly awful. But things have since settled down in the ED2 and RD rounds and some are hopeful for wait list movement. At my son's school, here is what I can gather.

Harvard (multiple), Yale (multiple), Princeton (multiple), Columbia, Dartmouth (multiple), Cornell (multiple), Chicago (multiple), Bates, Boston College, Bowdoin (multiple), Berkeley, Denver, Duke, Indiana, McGill, Miami, Michigan, Northwestern, Notre Dame, Pomona, Richmond, Rollins, St. Andrews (multiple), Temple, Tulane, UCLA, UNC, UT, UVA, Wake, Wash U (multiple), Wesleyan, West Point, Washington and Lee (multiple), Williams, Wisconsin

This is a great list....

Which school is this?

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Anonymous wrote:Is it just me or do a whole lot of these posts read as "I paid a ton of money for my privileged kid to go to private high school with the expectation that they'd get into a fancy-ass college and I am big mad that they are being lapped by a bunch of public school kids I do not know who I assume are undeserving and not as worthy as my precious darling."

YIKES.

That's exactly what it sounds like......LOL

The admissions results look excellent this year. You rejoiced too soon, PPs.

[Anonymous]

This happens every year. Panic after ED because mainly athletes and mediocre students from wealthy families get in. Everybody says the sky is falling. By RD time, everything settles out. Great students from all the local schools get into top schools (maybe not their first choice but still top schools that look good in the matriculation list). It's not 1995 anymore but these schools still place well.