Northam’s “Anti-Asian, Anti-Immigrant” School Initiative

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe they can just give each child a number and this way no one would be racial profiling. make sure no one writes about race and then you would have no idea what race any of these kids were. Most of the FCPS schools are really good, therefore I'd just prefer the other schools have more opportunities available and leave TJ as it is unless for some reason they aren't getting the applicants they want in terms of ability. I don't think there should be any quotas or reduced measurements for certain races. All kids in FCPS are guaranteed a high school that prepares them for college if they want to take and succeed in the courses.

100% agree time for this thread to end

When schools like TJ have true racial and economic diversity and we actually live in an equal opportunity society, then we can start to talk about dispensing with the collection and publishing of data on race and income.

Until level, the data reveals discrimination that continues to exist and needs to be addressed.

The inequity in TJ admissions is likely due to societal disparities. FCPS isnt responsible for fixing those. The fact is some of these kids couldnt complete the curriculum as is. That isn't TJ/FCPS' fault

FCPS is currently aggravating those disparities with AAP and TJ, and that is squarely on Brabrand and the School Board.

Eliminate TJHSST.

How so? There is a responsibility for FCPS to provide an education for all. That requirement is being met. That doesn't mean all kids have to go to TJ. Advanced kids deserve a good education too. Neighborhood schools would not give these TJ students a challenging education. And most kids in neighborhood schools would not do well at TJ.

There is no requirement for FCPS to operate a magnet; the needs of children can be met at neighborhood schools; you have no idea whether other children besides those admitted could do well at TJ; and TJ reinforces segregation patterns by pushing higher-income families and certain ethnic groups towards specific schools that are considered TJ feeders.

It is an utter disgrace and completely at odds with the One Fairfax policy to which the BOS and FCPS have formally committed.

My kids are not smart enough to go to TJ. I admit that and I'm not jealous with kids who go to TJ. In fact, I admire them.

I do not understand why people are so upset at TJ. Please do not use the excuse of diversity and equal opportunities.

My kids go to a title 1 school. Less than 10% are white. Why those rich people don't move into my neighborhood to create more diversity at my school?????? Where those caring people did not want to lift up schools in the poor neighborhoods. Yet, these very caring people are all after TJ because lack of diversity. Our school is l also lack of diversity too, 70% Hispanic. So 70% Hispanic is ok, but 70% Asian is NOT ok?

Just wonder.....

Got it. It doesn’t bother you that virtually none of those Hispanic kids at your school will have the same opportunities as the kids at TJ or your own kids.

Fortunately, it does bother others.

If so, please help schools in the poor neighborhoods first before worrying about TJ.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe they can just give each child a number and this way no one would be racial profiling. make sure no one writes about race and then you would have no idea what race any of these kids were. Most of the FCPS schools are really good, therefore I'd just prefer the other schools have more opportunities available and leave TJ as it is unless for some reason they aren't getting the applicants they want in terms of ability. I don't think there should be any quotas or reduced measurements for certain races. All kids in FCPS are guaranteed a high school that prepares them for college if they want to take and succeed in the courses.

100% agree time for this thread to end

When schools like TJ have true racial and economic diversity and we actually live in an equal opportunity society, then we can start to talk about dispensing with the collection and publishing of data on race and income.

Until level, the data reveals discrimination that continues to exist and needs to be addressed.

The inequity in TJ admissions is likely due to societal disparities. FCPS isnt responsible for fixing those. The fact is some of these kids couldnt complete the curriculum as is. That isn't TJ/FCPS' fault

FCPS is currently aggravating those disparities with AAP and TJ, and that is squarely on Brabrand and the School Board.

Eliminate TJHSST.

How so? There is a responsibility for FCPS to provide an education for all. That requirement is being met. That doesn't mean all kids have to go to TJ. Advanced kids deserve a good education too. Neighborhood schools would not give these TJ students a challenging education. And most kids in neighborhood schools would not do well at TJ.

There is no requirement for FCPS to operate a magnet; the needs of children can be met at neighborhood schools; you have no idea whether other children besides those admitted could do well at TJ; and TJ reinforces segregation patterns by pushing higher-income families and certain ethnic groups towards specific schools that are considered TJ feeders.

It is an utter disgrace and completely at odds with the One Fairfax policy to which the BOS and FCPS have formally committed.

My kids are not smart enough to go to TJ. I admit that and I'm not jealous with kids who go to TJ. In fact, I admire them.

I do not understand why people are so upset at TJ. Please do not use the excuse of diversity and equal opportunities.

My kids go to a title 1 school. Less than 10% are white. Why those rich people don't move into my neighborhood to create more diversity at my school?????? Where those caring people did not want to lift up schools in the poor neighborhoods. Yet, these very caring people are all after TJ because lack of diversity. Our school is l also lack of diversity too, 70% Hispanic. So 70% Hispanic is ok, but 70% Asian is NOT ok?

Just wonder.....

Got it. It doesn’t bother you that virtually none of those Hispanic kids at your school will have the same opportunities as the kids at TJ or your own kids.

Fortunately, it does bother others.

Why don't you think the hispanic kids will have an opportunity to attend TJ?

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe they can just give each child a number and this way no one would be racial profiling. make sure no one writes about race and then you would have no idea what race any of these kids were. Most of the FCPS schools are really good, therefore I'd just prefer the other schools have more opportunities available and leave TJ as it is unless for some reason they aren't getting the applicants they want in terms of ability. I don't think there should be any quotas or reduced measurements for certain races. All kids in FCPS are guaranteed a high school that prepares them for college if they want to take and succeed in the courses.

100% agree time for this thread to end

When schools like TJ have true racial and economic diversity and we actually live in an equal opportunity society, then we can start to talk about dispensing with the collection and publishing of data on race and income.

Until level, the data reveals discrimination that continues to exist and needs to be addressed.

The inequity in TJ admissions is likely due to societal disparities. FCPS isnt responsible for fixing those. The fact is some of these kids couldnt complete the curriculum as is. That isn't TJ/FCPS' fault

FCPS is currently aggravating those disparities with AAP and TJ, and that is squarely on Brabrand and the School Board.

Eliminate TJHSST.

How so? There is a responsibility for FCPS to provide an education for all. That requirement is being met. That doesn't mean all kids have to go to TJ. Advanced kids deserve a good education too. Neighborhood schools would not give these TJ students a challenging education. And most kids in neighborhood schools would not do well at TJ.

There is no requirement for FCPS to operate a magnet; the needs of children can be met at neighborhood schools; you have no idea whether other children besides those admitted could do well at TJ; and TJ reinforces segregation patterns by pushing higher-income families and certain ethnic groups towards specific schools that are considered TJ feeders.

It is an utter disgrace and completely at odds with the One Fairfax policy to which the BOS and FCPS have formally committed.

My kids are not smart enough to go to TJ. I admit that and I'm not jealous with kids who go to TJ. In fact, I admire them.

I do not understand why people are so upset at TJ. Please do not use the excuse of diversity and equal opportunities.

My kids go to a title 1 school. Less than 10% are white. Why those rich people don't move into my neighborhood to create more diversity at my school?????? Where those caring people did not want to lift up schools in the poor neighborhoods. Yet, these very caring people are all after TJ because lack of diversity. Our school is l also lack of diversity too, 70% Hispanic. So 70% Hispanic is ok, but 70% Asian is NOT ok?

Just wonder.....

Got it. It doesn’t bother you that virtually none of those Hispanic kids at your school will have the same opportunities as the kids at TJ or your own kids.

Fortunately, it does bother others.

If so, please help schools in the poor neighborhoods first before worrying about TJ.

Her version of "helping" poor schools is to bring everyone down to the lowered standard rather than to bring those at the poorer schools up...

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe they can just give each child a number and this way no one would be racial profiling. make sure no one writes about race and then you would have no idea what race any of these kids were. Most of the FCPS schools are really good, therefore I'd just prefer the other schools have more opportunities available and leave TJ as it is unless for some reason they aren't getting the applicants they want in terms of ability. I don't think there should be any quotas or reduced measurements for certain races. All kids in FCPS are guaranteed a high school that prepares them for college if they want to take and succeed in the courses.

100% agree time for this thread to end

When schools like TJ have true racial and economic diversity and we actually live in an equal opportunity society, then we can start to talk about dispensing with the collection and publishing of data on race and income.

Until level, the data reveals discrimination that continues to exist and needs to be addressed.

The inequity in TJ admissions is likely due to societal disparities. FCPS isnt responsible for fixing those. The fact is some of these kids couldnt complete the curriculum as is. That isn't TJ/FCPS' fault

FCPS is currently aggravating those disparities with AAP and TJ, and that is squarely on Brabrand and the School Board.

Eliminate TJHSST.

How so? There is a responsibility for FCPS to provide an education for all. That requirement is being met. That doesn't mean all kids have to go to TJ. Advanced kids deserve a good education too. Neighborhood schools would not give these TJ students a challenging education. And most kids in neighborhood schools would not do well at TJ.

There is no requirement for FCPS to operate a magnet; the needs of children can be met at neighborhood schools; you have no idea whether other children besides those admitted could do well at TJ; and TJ reinforces segregation patterns by pushing higher-income families and certain ethnic groups towards specific schools that are considered TJ feeders.

It is an utter disgrace and completely at odds with the One Fairfax policy to which the BOS and FCPS have formally committed.

My kids are not smart enough to go to TJ. I admit that and I'm not jealous with kids who go to TJ. In fact, I admire them.

I do not understand why people are so upset at TJ. Please do not use the excuse of diversity and equal opportunities.

My kids go to a title 1 school. Less than 10% are white. Why those rich people don't move into my neighborhood to create more diversity at my school?????? Where those caring people did not want to lift up schools in the poor neighborhoods. Yet, these very caring people are all after TJ because lack of diversity. Our school is l also lack of diversity too, 70% Hispanic. So 70% Hispanic is ok, but 70% Asian is NOT ok?

Just wonder.....

Got it. It doesn’t bother you that virtually none of those Hispanic kids at your school will have the same opportunities as the kids at TJ or your own kids.

Fortunately, it does bother others.

Why don't you think the hispanic kids will have an opportunity to attend TJ?

it's not a matter of thinking, it's a matter of looking at the numbers TJ publishes

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe they can just give each child a number and this way no one would be racial profiling. make sure no one writes about race and then you would have no idea what race any of these kids were. Most of the FCPS schools are really good, therefore I'd just prefer the other schools have more opportunities available and leave TJ as it is unless for some reason they aren't getting the applicants they want in terms of ability. I don't think there should be any quotas or reduced measurements for certain races. All kids in FCPS are guaranteed a high school that prepares them for college if they want to take and succeed in the courses.

100% agree time for this thread to end

When schools like TJ have true racial and economic diversity and we actually live in an equal opportunity society, then we can start to talk about dispensing with the collection and publishing of data on race and income.

Until level, the data reveals discrimination that continues to exist and needs to be addressed.

The inequity in TJ admissions is likely due to societal disparities. FCPS isnt responsible for fixing those. The fact is some of these kids couldnt complete the curriculum as is. That isn't TJ/FCPS' fault

FCPS is currently aggravating those disparities with AAP and TJ, and that is squarely on Brabrand and the School Board.

Eliminate TJHSST.

How so? There is a responsibility for FCPS to provide an education for all. That requirement is being met. That doesn't mean all kids have to go to TJ. Advanced kids deserve a good education too. Neighborhood schools would not give these TJ students a challenging education. And most kids in neighborhood schools would not do well at TJ.

There is no requirement for FCPS to operate a magnet; the needs of children can be met at neighborhood schools; you have no idea whether other children besides those admitted could do well at TJ; and TJ reinforces segregation patterns by pushing higher-income families and certain ethnic groups towards specific schools that are considered TJ feeders.

It is an utter disgrace and completely at odds with the One Fairfax policy to which the BOS and FCPS have formally committed.

My kids are not smart enough to go to TJ. I admit that and I'm not jealous with kids who go to TJ. In fact, I admire them.

I do not understand why people are so upset at TJ. Please do not use the excuse of diversity and equal opportunities.

My kids go to a title 1 school. Less than 10% are white. Why those rich people don't move into my neighborhood to create more diversity at my school?????? Where those caring people did not want to lift up schools in the poor neighborhoods. Yet, these very caring people are all after TJ because lack of diversity. Our school is l also lack of diversity too, 70% Hispanic. So 70% Hispanic is ok, but 70% Asian is NOT ok?

Just wonder.....

Got it. It doesn’t bother you that virtually none of those Hispanic kids at your school will have the same opportunities as the kids at TJ or your own kids.

Fortunately, it does bother others.

Why don't you think the hispanic kids will have an opportunity to attend TJ?

it's not a matter of thinking, it's a matter of looking at the numbers TJ publishes

So why not spend your energy getting those kids prepared to apply to TJ?

[Anonymous]

It is easier to dump all over TJ and try to get it shut down than to actually acknowledge and do the work to improve skills and resumes of those who are not currently making the cut for admission.

Sounds like laziness. Keep that same energy for preparing other minority groups for TJ application and maybe you can get somewhere.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe they can just give each child a number and this way no one would be racial profiling. make sure no one writes about race and then you would have no idea what race any of these kids were. Most of the FCPS schools are really good, therefore I'd just prefer the other schools have more opportunities available and leave TJ as it is unless for some reason they aren't getting the applicants they want in terms of ability. I don't think there should be any quotas or reduced measurements for certain races. All kids in FCPS are guaranteed a high school that prepares them for college if they want to take and succeed in the courses.

100% agree time for this thread to end

When schools like TJ have true racial and economic diversity and we actually live in an equal opportunity society, then we can start to talk about dispensing with the collection and publishing of data on race and income.

Until level, the data reveals discrimination that continues to exist and needs to be addressed.

The inequity in TJ admissions is likely due to societal disparities. FCPS isnt responsible for fixing those. The fact is some of these kids couldnt complete the curriculum as is. That isn't TJ/FCPS' fault

FCPS is currently aggravating those disparities with AAP and TJ, and that is squarely on Brabrand and the School Board.

Eliminate TJHSST.

How so? There is a responsibility for FCPS to provide an education for all. That requirement is being met. That doesn't mean all kids have to go to TJ. Advanced kids deserve a good education too. Neighborhood schools would not give these TJ students a challenging education. And most kids in neighborhood schools would not do well at TJ.

There is no requirement for FCPS to operate a magnet; the needs of children can be met at neighborhood schools; you have no idea whether other children besides those admitted could do well at TJ; and TJ reinforces segregation patterns by pushing higher-income families and certain ethnic groups towards specific schools that are considered TJ feeders.

It is an utter disgrace and completely at odds with the One Fairfax policy to which the BOS and FCPS have formally committed.

My kids are not smart enough to go to TJ. I admit that and I'm not jealous with kids who go to TJ. In fact, I admire them.

I do not understand why people are so upset at TJ. Please do not use the excuse of diversity and equal opportunities.

My kids go to a title 1 school. Less than 10% are white. Why those rich people don't move into my neighborhood to create more diversity at my school?????? Where those caring people did not want to lift up schools in the poor neighborhoods. Yet, these very caring people are all after TJ because lack of diversity. Our school is l also lack of diversity too, 70% Hispanic. So 70% Hispanic is ok, but 70% Asian is NOT ok?

Just wonder.....

Got it. It doesn’t bother you that virtually none of those Hispanic kids at your school will have the same opportunities as the kids at TJ or your own kids.

Fortunately, it does bother others.

Why don't you think the hispanic kids will have an opportunity to attend TJ?

it's not a matter of thinking, it's a matter of looking at the numbers TJ publishes

So why not spend your energy getting those kids prepared to apply to TJ?

+1. We should have funding (from people who care so much) so that any kid can use to pay for prep class to TJ. Would that be the simplest solution!

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe they can just give each child a number and this way no one would be racial profiling. make sure no one writes about race and then you would have no idea what race any of these kids were. Most of the FCPS schools are really good, therefore I'd just prefer the other schools have more opportunities available and leave TJ as it is unless for some reason they aren't getting the applicants they want in terms of ability. I don't think there should be any quotas or reduced measurements for certain races. All kids in FCPS are guaranteed a high school that prepares them for college if they want to take and succeed in the courses.

100% agree time for this thread to end

When schools like TJ have true racial and economic diversity and we actually live in an equal opportunity society, then we can start to talk about dispensing with the collection and publishing of data on race and income.

Until level, the data reveals discrimination that continues to exist and needs to be addressed.

The inequity in TJ admissions is likely due to societal disparities. FCPS isnt responsible for fixing those. The fact is some of these kids couldnt complete the curriculum as is. That isn't TJ/FCPS' fault

FCPS is currently aggravating those disparities with AAP and TJ, and that is squarely on Brabrand and the School Board.

Eliminate TJHSST.

How so? There is a responsibility for FCPS to provide an education for all. That requirement is being met. That doesn't mean all kids have to go to TJ. Advanced kids deserve a good education too. Neighborhood schools would not give these TJ students a challenging education. And most kids in neighborhood schools would not do well at TJ.

There is no requirement for FCPS to operate a magnet; the needs of children can be met at neighborhood schools; you have no idea whether other children besides those admitted could do well at TJ; and TJ reinforces segregation patterns by pushing higher-income families and certain ethnic groups towards specific schools that are considered TJ feeders.

It is an utter disgrace and completely at odds with the One Fairfax policy to which the BOS and FCPS have formally committed.

A kid that can do well at TJ will not be challenged in a neighborhood school. I'm sure there are others that could do well at the school. They can certainly apply.

People move to those feeder schools. TJ is not pushing anyone to certain schools. The parents of the kids at those feeder schools are pushing for the programs and instruction that will get them ready to apply for TJ. Instead of tearing them down, push for those same programs at the other middle schools. Dismantling schools will only bring everyone down not lift anyone up. Those same kids not getting into TJ still wont be getting TJ level education after you've dismantled everything.

^ This post is nonsense from start to finish.

DP

why is it wrong to push for more rigor across the board?

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe they can just give each child a number and this way no one would be racial profiling. make sure no one writes about race and then you would have no idea what race any of these kids were. Most of the FCPS schools are really good, therefore I'd just prefer the other schools have more opportunities available and leave TJ as it is unless for some reason they aren't getting the applicants they want in terms of ability. I don't think there should be any quotas or reduced measurements for certain races. All kids in FCPS are guaranteed a high school that prepares them for college if they want to take and succeed in the courses.

100% agree time for this thread to end

When schools like TJ have true racial and economic diversity and we actually live in an equal opportunity society, then we can start to talk about dispensing with the collection and publishing of data on race and income.

Until level, the data reveals discrimination that continues to exist and needs to be addressed.

The inequity in TJ admissions is likely due to societal disparities. FCPS isnt responsible for fixing those. The fact is some of these kids couldnt complete the curriculum as is. That isn't TJ/FCPS' fault

FCPS is currently aggravating those disparities with AAP and TJ, and that is squarely on Brabrand and the School Board.

Eliminate TJHSST.

How so? There is a responsibility for FCPS to provide an education for all. That requirement is being met. That doesn't mean all kids have to go to TJ. Advanced kids deserve a good education too. Neighborhood schools would not give these TJ students a challenging education. And most kids in neighborhood schools would not do well at TJ.

There is no requirement for FCPS to operate a magnet; the needs of children can be met at neighborhood schools; you have no idea whether other children besides those admitted could do well at TJ; and TJ reinforces segregation patterns by pushing higher-income families and certain ethnic groups towards specific schools that are considered TJ feeders.

It is an utter disgrace and completely at odds with the One Fairfax policy to which the BOS and FCPS have formally committed.

My kids are not smart enough to go to TJ. I admit that and I'm not jealous with kids who go to TJ. In fact, I admire them.

I do not understand why people are so upset at TJ. Please do not use the excuse of diversity and equal opportunities.

My kids go to a title 1 school. Less than 10% are white. Why those rich people don't move into my neighborhood to create more diversity at my school?????? Where those caring people did not want to lift up schools in the poor neighborhoods. Yet, these very caring people are all after TJ because lack of diversity. Our school is l also lack of diversity too, 70% Hispanic. So 70% Hispanic is ok, but 70% Asian is NOT ok?

Just wonder.....

Got it. It doesn’t bother you that virtually none of those Hispanic kids at your school will have the same opportunities as the kids at TJ or your own kids.

Fortunately, it does bother others.

If so, please help schools in the poor neighborhoods first before worrying about TJ.

One of the best ways to help those schools would be for the top students at those schools to have heroes from their community who are older than them and were successful in applying to and attending TJ - and that had a positive experience once they were there.

It is true that a part of this problem is that students from these communities are not especially interested in TJ, and a big part of the reason for that is that they don't believe that they are welcome at the school or don't know about it until very late in the process. This is a part of the problem that needs to be solved by creating a less toxic and anti-underrepresented atmosphere within the school, and by creating pathways into the school for students who are maximizing opportunities in their environment by succeeding in Algebra 1 in 8th grade.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is easier to dump all over TJ and try to get it shut down than to actually acknowledge and do the work to improve skills and resumes of those who are not currently making the cut for admission.

Sounds like laziness. Keep that same energy for preparing other minority groups for TJ application and maybe you can get somewhere.

All of this crap about how changing the course of admissions will be "lowering the standards" needs to stop. There's a difference between lowering the standards and changing or improving the standards so that they will do a better job of identifying students with potential rather than taking a snapshot of what kids have already been exposed to.

Right now the TJ admissions process does an exceptional job of identifying kids who are a) great test takers and b) have been shoehorned, usually by their parents, into a STEM career. It does NOT do a great job of identifying kids who have the potential to change the world or serve their communities. To be sure, there still are these kids in every class at TJ, but there are an overwhelming number of what a previous poster referred to as "prep drones" who have vaulted themselves above other, more qualified candidates through artificially high exam performance and artificially strong STEM resumes.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe they can just give each child a number and this way no one would be racial profiling. make sure no one writes about race and then you would have no idea what race any of these kids were. Most of the FCPS schools are really good, therefore I'd just prefer the other schools have more opportunities available and leave TJ as it is unless for some reason they aren't getting the applicants they want in terms of ability. I don't think there should be any quotas or reduced measurements for certain races. All kids in FCPS are guaranteed a high school that prepares them for college if they want to take and succeed in the courses.

100% agree time for this thread to end

When schools like TJ have true racial and economic diversity and we actually live in an equal opportunity society, then we can start to talk about dispensing with the collection and publishing of data on race and income.

Until level, the data reveals discrimination that continues to exist and needs to be addressed.

The inequity in TJ admissions is likely due to societal disparities. FCPS isnt responsible for fixing those. The fact is some of these kids couldnt complete the curriculum as is. That isn't TJ/FCPS' fault

FCPS is currently aggravating those disparities with AAP and TJ, and that is squarely on Brabrand and the School Board.

Eliminate TJHSST.

How so? There is a responsibility for FCPS to provide an education for all. That requirement is being met. That doesn't mean all kids have to go to TJ. Advanced kids deserve a good education too. Neighborhood schools would not give these TJ students a challenging education. And most kids in neighborhood schools would not do well at TJ.

There is no requirement for FCPS to operate a magnet; the needs of children can be met at neighborhood schools; you have no idea whether other children besides those admitted could do well at TJ; and TJ reinforces segregation patterns by pushing higher-income families and certain ethnic groups towards specific schools that are considered TJ feeders.

It is an utter disgrace and completely at odds with the One Fairfax policy to which the BOS and FCPS have formally committed.

My kids are not smart enough to go to TJ. I admit that and I'm not jealous with kids who go to TJ. In fact, I admire them.

I do not understand why people are so upset at TJ. Please do not use the excuse of diversity and equal opportunities.

My kids go to a title 1 school. Less than 10% are white. Why those rich people don't move into my neighborhood to create more diversity at my school?????? Where those caring people did not want to lift up schools in the poor neighborhoods. Yet, these very caring people are all after TJ because lack of diversity. Our school is l also lack of diversity too, 70% Hispanic. So 70% Hispanic is ok, but 70% Asian is NOT ok?

Just wonder.....

Got it. It doesn’t bother you that virtually none of those Hispanic kids at your school will have the same opportunities as the kids at TJ or your own kids.

Fortunately, it does bother others.

If so, please help schools in the poor neighborhoods first before worrying about TJ.

One of the best ways to help those schools would be for the top students at those schools to have heroes from their community who are older than them and were successful in applying to and attending TJ - and that had a positive experience once they were there.

It is true that a part of this problem is that students from these communities are not especially interested in TJ, and a big part of the reason for that is that they don't believe that they are welcome at the school or don't know about it until very late in the process. This is a part of the problem that needs to be solved by creating a less toxic and anti-underrepresented atmosphere within the school, and by creating pathways into the school for students who are maximizing opportunities in their environment by succeeding in Algebra 1 in 8th grade.

People at poor schools have many things to worry about, and going to TJ may be the least thing to worry about in their minds. Honestly, one doesn't have to go to TJ in order to be successful. Unless you attend one of those poor schools, you won't understand how much issues we have.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe they can just give each child a number and this way no one would be racial profiling. make sure no one writes about race and then you would have no idea what race any of these kids were. Most of the FCPS schools are really good, therefore I'd just prefer the other schools have more opportunities available and leave TJ as it is unless for some reason they aren't getting the applicants they want in terms of ability. I don't think there should be any quotas or reduced measurements for certain races. All kids in FCPS are guaranteed a high school that prepares them for college if they want to take and succeed in the courses.

100% agree time for this thread to end

When schools like TJ have true racial and economic diversity and we actually live in an equal opportunity society, then we can start to talk about dispensing with the collection and publishing of data on race and income.

Until level, the data reveals discrimination that continues to exist and needs to be addressed.

The inequity in TJ admissions is likely due to societal disparities. FCPS isnt responsible for fixing those. The fact is some of these kids couldnt complete the curriculum as is. That isn't TJ/FCPS' fault

FCPS is currently aggravating those disparities with AAP and TJ, and that is squarely on Brabrand and the School Board.

Eliminate TJHSST.

How so? There is a responsibility for FCPS to provide an education for all. That requirement is being met. That doesn't mean all kids have to go to TJ. Advanced kids deserve a good education too. Neighborhood schools would not give these TJ students a challenging education. And most kids in neighborhood schools would not do well at TJ.

There is no requirement for FCPS to operate a magnet; the needs of children can be met at neighborhood schools; you have no idea whether other children besides those admitted could do well at TJ; and TJ reinforces segregation patterns by pushing higher-income families and certain ethnic groups towards specific schools that are considered TJ feeders.

It is an utter disgrace and completely at odds with the One Fairfax policy to which the BOS and FCPS have formally committed.

My kids are not smart enough to go to TJ. I admit that and I'm not jealous with kids who go to TJ. In fact, I admire them.

I do not understand why people are so upset at TJ. Please do not use the excuse of diversity and equal opportunities.

My kids go to a title 1 school. Less than 10% are white. Why those rich people don't move into my neighborhood to create more diversity at my school?????? Where those caring people did not want to lift up schools in the poor neighborhoods. Yet, these very caring people are all after TJ because lack of diversity. Our school is l also lack of diversity too, 70% Hispanic. So 70% Hispanic is ok, but 70% Asian is NOT ok?

Just wonder.....

Got it. It doesn’t bother you that virtually none of those Hispanic kids at your school will have the same opportunities as the kids at TJ or your own kids.

Fortunately, it does bother others.

If so, please help schools in the poor neighborhoods first before worrying about TJ.

One of the best ways to help those schools would be for the top students at those schools to have heroes from their community who are older than them and were successful in applying to and attending TJ - and that had a positive experience once they were there.

It is true that a part of this problem is that students from these communities are not especially interested in TJ, and a big part of the reason for that is that they don't believe that they are welcome at the school or don't know about it until very late in the process. This is a part of the problem that needs to be solved by creating a less toxic and anti-underrepresented atmosphere within the school, and by creating pathways into the school for students who are maximizing opportunities in their environment by succeeding in Algebra 1 in 8th grade.

People at poor schools have many things to worry about, and going to TJ may be the least thing to worry about in their minds. Honestly, one doesn't have to go to TJ in order to be successful. Unless you attend one of those poor schools, you won't understand how much issues we have.

But that's just it. The admissions process gives a huge advantage right now to families who DO worry about it for years and years, and it shouldn't. TJ shouldn't have to be "a thing you worry about" for years in order to have access to it. Indeed, the point you make is one of the biggest arguments for why things need to change.

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Anonymous wrote:It is easier to dump all over TJ and try to get it shut down than to actually acknowledge and do the work to improve skills and resumes of those who are not currently making the cut for admission.

Sounds like laziness. Keep that same energy for preparing other minority groups for TJ application and maybe you can get somewhere.

All of this crap about how changing the course of admissions will be "lowering the standards" needs to stop. There's a difference between lowering the standards and changing or improving the standards so that they will do a better job of identifying students with potential rather than taking a snapshot of what kids have already been exposed to.

Right now the TJ admissions process does an exceptional job of identifying kids who are a) great test takers and b) have been shoehorned, usually by their parents, into a STEM career. It does NOT do a great job of identifying kids who have the potential to change the world or serve their communities. To be sure, there still are these kids in every class at TJ, but there are an overwhelming number of what a previous poster referred to as "prep drones" who have vaulted themselves above other, more qualified candidates through artificially high exam performance and artificially strong STEM resumes.

This is a STEM school. not some flowery liberal arts high school. The admissions requirements are good for STEM

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe they can just give each child a number and this way no one would be racial profiling. make sure no one writes about race and then you would have no idea what race any of these kids were. Most of the FCPS schools are really good, therefore I'd just prefer the other schools have more opportunities available and leave TJ as it is unless for some reason they aren't getting the applicants they want in terms of ability. I don't think there should be any quotas or reduced measurements for certain races. All kids in FCPS are guaranteed a high school that prepares them for college if they want to take and succeed in the courses.

100% agree time for this thread to end

When schools like TJ have true racial and economic diversity and we actually live in an equal opportunity society, then we can start to talk about dispensing with the collection and publishing of data on race and income.

Until level, the data reveals discrimination that continues to exist and needs to be addressed.

The inequity in TJ admissions is likely due to societal disparities. FCPS isnt responsible for fixing those. The fact is some of these kids couldnt complete the curriculum as is. That isn't TJ/FCPS' fault

FCPS is currently aggravating those disparities with AAP and TJ, and that is squarely on Brabrand and the School Board.

Eliminate TJHSST.

How so? There is a responsibility for FCPS to provide an education for all. That requirement is being met. That doesn't mean all kids have to go to TJ. Advanced kids deserve a good education too. Neighborhood schools would not give these TJ students a challenging education. And most kids in neighborhood schools would not do well at TJ.

There is no requirement for FCPS to operate a magnet; the needs of children can be met at neighborhood schools; you have no idea whether other children besides those admitted could do well at TJ; and TJ reinforces segregation patterns by pushing higher-income families and certain ethnic groups towards specific schools that are considered TJ feeders.

It is an utter disgrace and completely at odds with the One Fairfax policy to which the BOS and FCPS have formally committed.

My kids are not smart enough to go to TJ. I admit that and I'm not jealous with kids who go to TJ. In fact, I admire them.

I do not understand why people are so upset at TJ. Please do not use the excuse of diversity and equal opportunities.

My kids go to a title 1 school. Less than 10% are white. Why those rich people don't move into my neighborhood to create more diversity at my school?????? Where those caring people did not want to lift up schools in the poor neighborhoods. Yet, these very caring people are all after TJ because lack of diversity. Our school is l also lack of diversity too, 70% Hispanic. So 70% Hispanic is ok, but 70% Asian is NOT ok?

Just wonder.....

Got it. It doesn’t bother you that virtually none of those Hispanic kids at your school will have the same opportunities as the kids at TJ or your own kids.

Fortunately, it does bother others.

If so, please help schools in the poor neighborhoods first before worrying about TJ.

One of the best ways to help those schools would be for the top students at those schools to have heroes from their community who are older than them and were successful in applying to and attending TJ - and that had a positive experience once they were there.

It is true that a part of this problem is that students from these communities are not especially interested in TJ, and a big part of the reason for that is that they don't believe that they are welcome at the school or don't know about it until very late in the process. This is a part of the problem that needs to be solved by creating a less toxic and anti-underrepresented atmosphere within the school, and by creating pathways into the school for students who are maximizing opportunities in their environment by succeeding in Algebra 1 in 8th grade.

People at poor schools have many things to worry about, and going to TJ may be the least thing to worry about in their minds. Honestly, one doesn't have to go to TJ in order to be successful. Unless you attend one of those poor schools, you won't understand how much issues we have.

But that's just it. The admissions process gives a huge advantage right now to families who DO worry about it for years and years, and it shouldn't. TJ shouldn't have to be "a thing you worry about" for years in order to have access to it. Indeed, the point you make is one of the biggest arguments for why things need to change.

Who says you shouldnt plan for years to go to TJ? youre just making things up and passing them off them as truth.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe they can just give each child a number and this way no one would be racial profiling. make sure no one writes about race and then you would have no idea what race any of these kids were. Most of the FCPS schools are really good, therefore I'd just prefer the other schools have more opportunities available and leave TJ as it is unless for some reason they aren't getting the applicants they want in terms of ability. I don't think there should be any quotas or reduced measurements for certain races. All kids in FCPS are guaranteed a high school that prepares them for college if they want to take and succeed in the courses.

100% agree time for this thread to end

When schools like TJ have true racial and economic diversity and we actually live in an equal opportunity society, then we can start to talk about dispensing with the collection and publishing of data on race and income.

Until level, the data reveals discrimination that continues to exist and needs to be addressed.

The inequity in TJ admissions is likely due to societal disparities. FCPS isnt responsible for fixing those. The fact is some of these kids couldnt complete the curriculum as is. That isn't TJ/FCPS' fault

FCPS is currently aggravating those disparities with AAP and TJ, and that is squarely on Brabrand and the School Board.

Eliminate TJHSST.

How so? There is a responsibility for FCPS to provide an education for all. That requirement is being met. That doesn't mean all kids have to go to TJ. Advanced kids deserve a good education too. Neighborhood schools would not give these TJ students a challenging education. And most kids in neighborhood schools would not do well at TJ.

There is no requirement for FCPS to operate a magnet; the needs of children can be met at neighborhood schools; you have no idea whether other children besides those admitted could do well at TJ; and TJ reinforces segregation patterns by pushing higher-income families and certain ethnic groups towards specific schools that are considered TJ feeders.

It is an utter disgrace and completely at odds with the One Fairfax policy to which the BOS and FCPS have formally committed.

My kids are not smart enough to go to TJ. I admit that and I'm not jealous with kids who go to TJ. In fact, I admire them.

I do not understand why people are so upset at TJ. Please do not use the excuse of diversity and equal opportunities.

My kids go to a title 1 school. Less than 10% are white. Why those rich people don't move into my neighborhood to create more diversity at my school?????? Where those caring people did not want to lift up schools in the poor neighborhoods. Yet, these very caring people are all after TJ because lack of diversity. Our school is l also lack of diversity too, 70% Hispanic. So 70% Hispanic is ok, but 70% Asian is NOT ok?

Just wonder.....

Got it. It doesn’t bother you that virtually none of those Hispanic kids at your school will have the same opportunities as the kids at TJ or your own kids.

Fortunately, it does bother others.

If so, please help schools in the poor neighborhoods first before worrying about TJ.

One of the best ways to help those schools would be for the top students at those schools to have heroes from their community who are older than them and were successful in applying to and attending TJ - and that had a positive experience once they were there.

It is true that a part of this problem is that students from these communities are not especially interested in TJ, and a big part of the reason for that is that they don't believe that they are welcome at the school or don't know about it until very late in the process. This is a part of the problem that needs to be solved by creating a less toxic and anti-underrepresented atmosphere within the school, and by creating pathways into the school for students who are maximizing opportunities in their environment by succeeding in Algebra 1 in 8th grade.

People at poor schools have many things to worry about, and going to TJ may be the least thing to worry about in their minds. Honestly, one doesn't have to go to TJ in order to be successful. Unless you attend one of those poor schools, you won't understand how much issues we have.

But that's just it. The admissions process gives a huge advantage right now to families who DO worry about it for years and years, and it shouldn't. TJ shouldn't have to be "a thing you worry about" for years in order to have access to it. Indeed, the point you make is one of the biggest arguments for why things need to change.

Changing the admission to TJ May bring a few more top students from these schools. What about thousands other kids? Change to TJ admission would not help us much in anyway. I’m speaking from the experience of having kids attending tittle 1 school.