Northam’s “Anti-Asian, Anti-Immigrant” School Initiative

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe they can just give each child a number and this way no one would be racial profiling. make sure no one writes about race and then you would have no idea what race any of these kids were. Most of the FCPS schools are really good, therefore I'd just prefer the other schools have more opportunities available and leave TJ as it is unless for some reason they aren't getting the applicants they want in terms of ability. I don't think there should be any quotas or reduced measurements for certain races. All kids in FCPS are guaranteed a high school that prepares them for college if they want to take and succeed in the courses.

100% agree time for this thread to end

When schools like TJ have true racial and economic diversity and we actually live in an equal opportunity society, then we can start to talk about dispensing with the collection and publishing of data on race and income.

Until level, the data reveals discrimination that continues to exist and needs to be addressed.

The inequity in TJ admissions is likely due to societal disparities. FCPS isnt responsible for fixing those. The fact is some of these kids couldnt complete the curriculum as is. That isn't TJ/FCPS' fault

FCPS is currently aggravating those disparities with AAP and TJ, and that is squarely on Brabrand and the School Board.

Eliminate TJHSST.

How so? There is a responsibility for FCPS to provide an education for all. That requirement is being met. That doesn't mean all kids have to go to TJ. Advanced kids deserve a good education too. Neighborhood schools would not give these TJ students a challenging education. And most kids in neighborhood schools would not do well at TJ.

There is no requirement for FCPS to operate a magnet; the needs of children can be met at neighborhood schools; you have no idea whether other children besides those admitted could do well at TJ; and TJ reinforces segregation patterns by pushing higher-income families and certain ethnic groups towards specific schools that are considered TJ feeders.

It is an utter disgrace and completely at odds with the One Fairfax policy to which the BOS and FCPS have formally committed.

My kids are not smart enough to go to TJ. I admit that and I'm not jealous with kids who go to TJ. In fact, I admire them.

I do not understand why people are so upset at TJ. Please do not use the excuse of diversity and equal opportunities.

My kids go to a title 1 school. Less than 10% are white. Why those rich people don't move into my neighborhood to create more diversity at my school?????? Where those caring people did not want to lift up schools in the poor neighborhoods. Yet, these very caring people are all after TJ because lack of diversity. Our school is l also lack of diversity too, 70% Hispanic. So 70% Hispanic is ok, but 70% Asian is NOT ok?

Just wonder.....

Got it. It doesn’t bother you that virtually none of those Hispanic kids at your school will have the same opportunities as the kids at TJ or your own kids.

Fortunately, it does bother others.

If so, please help schools in the poor neighborhoods first before worrying about TJ.

One of the best ways to help those schools would be for the top students at those schools to have heroes from their community who are older than them and were successful in applying to and attending TJ - and that had a positive experience once they were there.

It is true that a part of this problem is that students from these communities are not especially interested in TJ, and a big part of the reason for that is that they don't believe that they are welcome at the school or don't know about it until very late in the process. This is a part of the problem that needs to be solved by creating a less toxic and anti-underrepresented atmosphere within the school, and by creating pathways into the school for students who are maximizing opportunities in their environment by succeeding in Algebra 1 in 8th grade.

People at poor schools have many things to worry about, and going to TJ may be the least thing to worry about in their minds. Honestly, one doesn't have to go to TJ in order to be successful. Unless you attend one of those poor schools, you won't understand how much issues we have.

But that's just it. The admissions process gives a huge advantage right now to families who DO worry about it for years and years, and it shouldn't. TJ shouldn't have to be "a thing you worry about" for years in order to have access to it. Indeed, the point you make is one of the biggest arguments for why things need to change.

Who says you shouldnt plan for years to go to TJ? youre just making things up and passing them off them as truth.

TJ has about a 15% acceptance rate. Planning for years to go to TJ and giving up tons of other opportunities during your formative years for a process that tons of hugely qualified students don't succeed in - and by the way, has no tangible benefits that carry with you if you fail - is such a huge waste. The problem is that, even assuming an outstanding student who is talented and interested in STEM, success in the TJ admissions process is greatly helped by dropping everything that a student enjoys and might want to explore to maximize your STEM credentials and test-taking ability.

Huge numbers of these students are being rejected by this process every year even if they go completely by the book and plan for it since early elementary school. It's unhealthy and the process needs to change so as to disincentivize this sort of behavior.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe they can just give each child a number and this way no one would be racial profiling. make sure no one writes about race and then you would have no idea what race any of these kids were. Most of the FCPS schools are really good, therefore I'd just prefer the other schools have more opportunities available and leave TJ as it is unless for some reason they aren't getting the applicants they want in terms of ability. I don't think there should be any quotas or reduced measurements for certain races. All kids in FCPS are guaranteed a high school that prepares them for college if they want to take and succeed in the courses.

100% agree time for this thread to end

When schools like TJ have true racial and economic diversity and we actually live in an equal opportunity society, then we can start to talk about dispensing with the collection and publishing of data on race and income.

Until level, the data reveals discrimination that continues to exist and needs to be addressed.

The inequity in TJ admissions is likely due to societal disparities. FCPS isnt responsible for fixing those. The fact is some of these kids couldnt complete the curriculum as is. That isn't TJ/FCPS' fault

FCPS is currently aggravating those disparities with AAP and TJ, and that is squarely on Brabrand and the School Board.

Eliminate TJHSST.

How so? There is a responsibility for FCPS to provide an education for all. That requirement is being met. That doesn't mean all kids have to go to TJ. Advanced kids deserve a good education too. Neighborhood schools would not give these TJ students a challenging education. And most kids in neighborhood schools would not do well at TJ.

There is no requirement for FCPS to operate a magnet; the needs of children can be met at neighborhood schools; you have no idea whether other children besides those admitted could do well at TJ; and TJ reinforces segregation patterns by pushing higher-income families and certain ethnic groups towards specific schools that are considered TJ feeders.

It is an utter disgrace and completely at odds with the One Fairfax policy to which the BOS and FCPS have formally committed.

My kids are not smart enough to go to TJ. I admit that and I'm not jealous with kids who go to TJ. In fact, I admire them.

I do not understand why people are so upset at TJ. Please do not use the excuse of diversity and equal opportunities.

My kids go to a title 1 school. Less than 10% are white. Why those rich people don't move into my neighborhood to create more diversity at my school?????? Where those caring people did not want to lift up schools in the poor neighborhoods. Yet, these very caring people are all after TJ because lack of diversity. Our school is l also lack of diversity too, 70% Hispanic. So 70% Hispanic is ok, but 70% Asian is NOT ok?

Just wonder.....

Got it. It doesn’t bother you that virtually none of those Hispanic kids at your school will have the same opportunities as the kids at TJ or your own kids.

Fortunately, it does bother others.

If so, please help schools in the poor neighborhoods first before worrying about TJ.

One of the best ways to help those schools would be for the top students at those schools to have heroes from their community who are older than them and were successful in applying to and attending TJ - and that had a positive experience once they were there.

It is true that a part of this problem is that students from these communities are not especially interested in TJ, and a big part of the reason for that is that they don't believe that they are welcome at the school or don't know about it until very late in the process. This is a part of the problem that needs to be solved by creating a less toxic and anti-underrepresented atmosphere within the school, and by creating pathways into the school for students who are maximizing opportunities in their environment by succeeding in Algebra 1 in 8th grade.

People at poor schools have many things to worry about, and going to TJ may be the least thing to worry about in their minds. Honestly, one doesn't have to go to TJ in order to be successful. Unless you attend one of those poor schools, you won't understand how much issues we have.

But that's just it. The admissions process gives a huge advantage right now to families who DO worry about it for years and years, and it shouldn't. TJ shouldn't have to be "a thing you worry about" for years in order to have access to it. Indeed, the point you make is one of the biggest arguments for why things need to change.

Who says you shouldnt plan for years to go to TJ? youre just making things up and passing them off them as truth.

TJ has about a 15% acceptance rate. Planning for years to go to TJ and giving up tons of other opportunities during your formative years for a process that tons of hugely qualified students don't succeed in - and by the way, has no tangible benefits that carry with you if you fail - is such a huge waste. The problem is that, even assuming an outstanding student who is talented and interested in STEM, success in the TJ admissions process is greatly helped by dropping everything that a student enjoys and might want to explore to maximize your STEM credentials and test-taking ability.

Huge numbers of these students are being rejected by this process every year even if they go completely by the book and plan for it since early elementary school. It's unhealthy and the process needs to change so as to disincentivize this sort of behavior.

None of this is any of your business or concern for other people's kids. If you dont want your kid to study hard from elementary, dont do it.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe they can just give each child a number and this way no one would be racial profiling. make sure no one writes about race and then you would have no idea what race any of these kids were. Most of the FCPS schools are really good, therefore I'd just prefer the other schools have more opportunities available and leave TJ as it is unless for some reason they aren't getting the applicants they want in terms of ability. I don't think there should be any quotas or reduced measurements for certain races. All kids in FCPS are guaranteed a high school that prepares them for college if they want to take and succeed in the courses.

100% agree time for this thread to end

When schools like TJ have true racial and economic diversity and we actually live in an equal opportunity society, then we can start to talk about dispensing with the collection and publishing of data on race and income.

Until level, the data reveals discrimination that continues to exist and needs to be addressed.

The inequity in TJ admissions is likely due to societal disparities. FCPS isnt responsible for fixing those. The fact is some of these kids couldnt complete the curriculum as is. That isn't TJ/FCPS' fault

FCPS is currently aggravating those disparities with AAP and TJ, and that is squarely on Brabrand and the School Board.

Eliminate TJHSST.

How so? There is a responsibility for FCPS to provide an education for all. That requirement is being met. That doesn't mean all kids have to go to TJ. Advanced kids deserve a good education too. Neighborhood schools would not give these TJ students a challenging education. And most kids in neighborhood schools would not do well at TJ.

There is no requirement for FCPS to operate a magnet; the needs of children can be met at neighborhood schools; you have no idea whether other children besides those admitted could do well at TJ; and TJ reinforces segregation patterns by pushing higher-income families and certain ethnic groups towards specific schools that are considered TJ feeders.

It is an utter disgrace and completely at odds with the One Fairfax policy to which the BOS and FCPS have formally committed.

My kids are not smart enough to go to TJ. I admit that and I'm not jealous with kids who go to TJ. In fact, I admire them.

I do not understand why people are so upset at TJ. Please do not use the excuse of diversity and equal opportunities.

My kids go to a title 1 school. Less than 10% are white. Why those rich people don't move into my neighborhood to create more diversity at my school?????? Where those caring people did not want to lift up schools in the poor neighborhoods. Yet, these very caring people are all after TJ because lack of diversity. Our school is l also lack of diversity too, 70% Hispanic. So 70% Hispanic is ok, but 70% Asian is NOT ok?

Just wonder.....

Got it. It doesn’t bother you that virtually none of those Hispanic kids at your school will have the same opportunities as the kids at TJ or your own kids.

Fortunately, it does bother others.

If so, please help schools in the poor neighborhoods first before worrying about TJ.

One of the best ways to help those schools would be for the top students at those schools to have heroes from their community who are older than them and were successful in applying to and attending TJ - and that had a positive experience once they were there.

It is true that a part of this problem is that students from these communities are not especially interested in TJ, and a big part of the reason for that is that they don't believe that they are welcome at the school or don't know about it until very late in the process. This is a part of the problem that needs to be solved by creating a less toxic and anti-underrepresented atmosphere within the school, and by creating pathways into the school for students who are maximizing opportunities in their environment by succeeding in Algebra 1 in 8th grade.

People at poor schools have many things to worry about, and going to TJ may be the least thing to worry about in their minds. Honestly, one doesn't have to go to TJ in order to be successful. Unless you attend one of those poor schools, you won't understand how much issues we have.

But that's just it. The admissions process gives a huge advantage right now to families who DO worry about it for years and years, and it shouldn't. TJ shouldn't have to be "a thing you worry about" for years in order to have access to it. Indeed, the point you make is one of the biggest arguments for why things need to change.

Who says you shouldnt plan for years to go to TJ? youre just making things up and passing them off them as truth.

TJ has about a 15% acceptance rate. Planning for years to go to TJ and giving up tons of other opportunities during your formative years for a process that tons of hugely qualified students don't succeed in - and by the way, has no tangible benefits that carry with you if you fail - is such a huge waste. The problem is that, even assuming an outstanding student who is talented and interested in STEM, success in the TJ admissions process is greatly helped by dropping everything that a student enjoys and might want to explore to maximize your STEM credentials and test-taking ability.

Huge numbers of these students are being rejected by this process every year even if they go completely by the book and plan for it since early elementary school. It's unhealthy and the process needs to change so as to disincentivize this sort of behavior.

None of this is any of your business or concern for other people's kids. If you dont want your kid to study hard from elementary, dont do it.

There is a difference between studying hard from elementary and selling out your kid's childhood to optimize a TJ admissions process that, if you fail, carries no additional benefit.

There shouldn't be a way to optimize the TJ process that goes beyond "get good grades and make the most of your opportunities".

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe they can just give each child a number and this way no one would be racial profiling. make sure no one writes about race and then you would have no idea what race any of these kids were. Most of the FCPS schools are really good, therefore I'd just prefer the other schools have more opportunities available and leave TJ as it is unless for some reason they aren't getting the applicants they want in terms of ability. I don't think there should be any quotas or reduced measurements for certain races. All kids in FCPS are guaranteed a high school that prepares them for college if they want to take and succeed in the courses.

100% agree time for this thread to end

When schools like TJ have true racial and economic diversity and we actually live in an equal opportunity society, then we can start to talk about dispensing with the collection and publishing of data on race and income.

Until level, the data reveals discrimination that continues to exist and needs to be addressed.

The inequity in TJ admissions is likely due to societal disparities. FCPS isnt responsible for fixing those. The fact is some of these kids couldnt complete the curriculum as is. That isn't TJ/FCPS' fault

FCPS is currently aggravating those disparities with AAP and TJ, and that is squarely on Brabrand and the School Board.

Eliminate TJHSST.

How so? There is a responsibility for FCPS to provide an education for all. That requirement is being met. That doesn't mean all kids have to go to TJ. Advanced kids deserve a good education too. Neighborhood schools would not give these TJ students a challenging education. And most kids in neighborhood schools would not do well at TJ.

There is no requirement for FCPS to operate a magnet; the needs of children can be met at neighborhood schools; you have no idea whether other children besides those admitted could do well at TJ; and TJ reinforces segregation patterns by pushing higher-income families and certain ethnic groups towards specific schools that are considered TJ feeders.

It is an utter disgrace and completely at odds with the One Fairfax policy to which the BOS and FCPS have formally committed.

My kids are not smart enough to go to TJ. I admit that and I'm not jealous with kids who go to TJ. In fact, I admire them.

I do not understand why people are so upset at TJ. Please do not use the excuse of diversity and equal opportunities.

My kids go to a title 1 school. Less than 10% are white. Why those rich people don't move into my neighborhood to create more diversity at my school?????? Where those caring people did not want to lift up schools in the poor neighborhoods. Yet, these very caring people are all after TJ because lack of diversity. Our school is l also lack of diversity too, 70% Hispanic. So 70% Hispanic is ok, but 70% Asian is NOT ok?

Just wonder.....

Got it. It doesn’t bother you that virtually none of those Hispanic kids at your school will have the same opportunities as the kids at TJ or your own kids.

Fortunately, it does bother others.

If so, please help schools in the poor neighborhoods first before worrying about TJ.

One of the best ways to help those schools would be for the top students at those schools to have heroes from their community who are older than them and were successful in applying to and attending TJ - and that had a positive experience once they were there.

It is true that a part of this problem is that students from these communities are not especially interested in TJ, and a big part of the reason for that is that they don't believe that they are welcome at the school or don't know about it until very late in the process. This is a part of the problem that needs to be solved by creating a less toxic and anti-underrepresented atmosphere within the school, and by creating pathways into the school for students who are maximizing opportunities in their environment by succeeding in Algebra 1 in 8th grade.

People at poor schools have many things to worry about, and going to TJ may be the least thing to worry about in their minds. Honestly, one doesn't have to go to TJ in order to be successful. Unless you attend one of those poor schools, you won't understand how much issues we have.

But that's just it. The admissions process gives a huge advantage right now to families who DO worry about it for years and years, and it shouldn't. TJ shouldn't have to be "a thing you worry about" for years in order to have access to it. Indeed, the point you make is one of the biggest arguments for why things need to change.

Who says you shouldnt plan for years to go to TJ? youre just making things up and passing them off them as truth.

TJ has about a 15% acceptance rate. Planning for years to go to TJ and giving up tons of other opportunities during your formative years for a process that tons of hugely qualified students don't succeed in - and by the way, has no tangible benefits that carry with you if you fail - is such a huge waste. The problem is that, even assuming an outstanding student who is talented and interested in STEM, success in the TJ admissions process is greatly helped by dropping everything that a student enjoys and might want to explore to maximize your STEM credentials and test-taking ability.

Huge numbers of these students are being rejected by this process every year even if they go completely by the book and plan for it since early elementary school. It's unhealthy and the process needs to change so as to disincentivize this sort of behavior.

None of this is any of your business or concern for other people's kids. If you dont want your kid to study hard from elementary, dont do it.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe they can just give each child a number and this way no one would be racial profiling. make sure no one writes about race and then you would have no idea what race any of these kids were. Most of the FCPS schools are really good, therefore I'd just prefer the other schools have more opportunities available and leave TJ as it is unless for some reason they aren't getting the applicants they want in terms of ability. I don't think there should be any quotas or reduced measurements for certain races. All kids in FCPS are guaranteed a high school that prepares them for college if they want to take and succeed in the courses.

100% agree time for this thread to end

When schools like TJ have true racial and economic diversity and we actually live in an equal opportunity society, then we can start to talk about dispensing with the collection and publishing of data on race and income.

Until level, the data reveals discrimination that continues to exist and needs to be addressed.

The inequity in TJ admissions is likely due to societal disparities. FCPS isnt responsible for fixing those. The fact is some of these kids couldnt complete the curriculum as is. That isn't TJ/FCPS' fault

FCPS is currently aggravating those disparities with AAP and TJ, and that is squarely on Brabrand and the School Board.

Eliminate TJHSST.

How so? There is a responsibility for FCPS to provide an education for all. That requirement is being met. That doesn't mean all kids have to go to TJ. Advanced kids deserve a good education too. Neighborhood schools would not give these TJ students a challenging education. And most kids in neighborhood schools would not do well at TJ.

There is no requirement for FCPS to operate a magnet; the needs of children can be met at neighborhood schools; you have no idea whether other children besides those admitted could do well at TJ; and TJ reinforces segregation patterns by pushing higher-income families and certain ethnic groups towards specific schools that are considered TJ feeders.

It is an utter disgrace and completely at odds with the One Fairfax policy to which the BOS and FCPS have formally committed.

My kids are not smart enough to go to TJ. I admit that and I'm not jealous with kids who go to TJ. In fact, I admire them.

I do not understand why people are so upset at TJ. Please do not use the excuse of diversity and equal opportunities.

My kids go to a title 1 school. Less than 10% are white. Why those rich people don't move into my neighborhood to create more diversity at my school?????? Where those caring people did not want to lift up schools in the poor neighborhoods. Yet, these very caring people are all after TJ because lack of diversity. Our school is l also lack of diversity too, 70% Hispanic. So 70% Hispanic is ok, but 70% Asian is NOT ok?

Just wonder.....

Got it. It doesn’t bother you that virtually none of those Hispanic kids at your school will have the same opportunities as the kids at TJ or your own kids.

Fortunately, it does bother others.

If so, please help schools in the poor neighborhoods first before worrying about TJ.

One of the best ways to help those schools would be for the top students at those schools to have heroes from their community who are older than them and were successful in applying to and attending TJ - and that had a positive experience once they were there.

It is true that a part of this problem is that students from these communities are not especially interested in TJ, and a big part of the reason for that is that they don't believe that they are welcome at the school or don't know about it until very late in the process. This is a part of the problem that needs to be solved by creating a less toxic and anti-underrepresented atmosphere within the school, and by creating pathways into the school for students who are maximizing opportunities in their environment by succeeding in Algebra 1 in 8th grade.

People at poor schools have many things to worry about, and going to TJ may be the least thing to worry about in their minds. Honestly, one doesn't have to go to TJ in order to be successful. Unless you attend one of those poor schools, you won't understand how much issues we have.

But that's just it. The admissions process gives a huge advantage right now to families who DO worry about it for years and years, and it shouldn't. TJ shouldn't have to be "a thing you worry about" for years in order to have access to it. Indeed, the point you make is one of the biggest arguments for why things need to change.

Who says you shouldnt plan for years to go to TJ? youre just making things up and passing them off them as truth.

TJ has about a 15% acceptance rate. Planning for years to go to TJ and giving up tons of other opportunities during your formative years for a process that tons of hugely qualified students don't succeed in - and by the way, has no tangible benefits that carry with you if you fail - is such a huge waste. The problem is that, even assuming an outstanding student who is talented and interested in STEM, success in the TJ admissions process is greatly helped by dropping everything that a student enjoys and might want to explore to maximize your STEM credentials and test-taking ability.

Huge numbers of these students are being rejected by this process every year even if they go completely by the book and plan for it since early elementary school. It's unhealthy and the process needs to change so as to disincentivize this sort of behavior.

None of this is any of your business or concern for other people's kids. If you dont want your kid to study hard from elementary, dont do it.

There is a difference between studying hard from elementary and selling out your kid's childhood to optimize a TJ admissions process that, if you fail, carries no additional benefit.

There shouldn't be a way to optimize the TJ process that goes beyond "get good grades and make the most of your opportunities".

Just because you don't want your kids to work hard doesn't mean you get to dictate that other people not push their kids to work harder. This really takes the cake. You really want people to minimize their ambition so that your kid can take the easy way and not have competition... ?

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe they can just give each child a number and this way no one would be racial profiling. make sure no one writes about race and then you would have no idea what race any of these kids were. Most of the FCPS schools are really good, therefore I'd just prefer the other schools have more opportunities available and leave TJ as it is unless for some reason they aren't getting the applicants they want in terms of ability. I don't think there should be any quotas or reduced measurements for certain races. All kids in FCPS are guaranteed a high school that prepares them for college if they want to take and succeed in the courses.

100% agree time for this thread to end

When schools like TJ have true racial and economic diversity and we actually live in an equal opportunity society, then we can start to talk about dispensing with the collection and publishing of data on race and income.

Until level, the data reveals discrimination that continues to exist and needs to be addressed.

The inequity in TJ admissions is likely due to societal disparities. FCPS isnt responsible for fixing those. The fact is some of these kids couldnt complete the curriculum as is. That isn't TJ/FCPS' fault

FCPS is currently aggravating those disparities with AAP and TJ, and that is squarely on Brabrand and the School Board.

Eliminate TJHSST.

How so? There is a responsibility for FCPS to provide an education for all. That requirement is being met. That doesn't mean all kids have to go to TJ. Advanced kids deserve a good education too. Neighborhood schools would not give these TJ students a challenging education. And most kids in neighborhood schools would not do well at TJ.

There is no requirement for FCPS to operate a magnet; the needs of children can be met at neighborhood schools; you have no idea whether other children besides those admitted could do well at TJ; and TJ reinforces segregation patterns by pushing higher-income families and certain ethnic groups towards specific schools that are considered TJ feeders.

It is an utter disgrace and completely at odds with the One Fairfax policy to which the BOS and FCPS have formally committed.

My kids are not smart enough to go to TJ. I admit that and I'm not jealous with kids who go to TJ. In fact, I admire them.

I do not understand why people are so upset at TJ. Please do not use the excuse of diversity and equal opportunities.

My kids go to a title 1 school. Less than 10% are white. Why those rich people don't move into my neighborhood to create more diversity at my school?????? Where those caring people did not want to lift up schools in the poor neighborhoods. Yet, these very caring people are all after TJ because lack of diversity. Our school is l also lack of diversity too, 70% Hispanic. So 70% Hispanic is ok, but 70% Asian is NOT ok?

Just wonder.....

Got it. It doesn’t bother you that virtually none of those Hispanic kids at your school will have the same opportunities as the kids at TJ or your own kids.

Fortunately, it does bother others.

If so, please help schools in the poor neighborhoods first before worrying about TJ.

One of the best ways to help those schools would be for the top students at those schools to have heroes from their community who are older than them and were successful in applying to and attending TJ - and that had a positive experience once they were there.

It is true that a part of this problem is that students from these communities are not especially interested in TJ, and a big part of the reason for that is that they don't believe that they are welcome at the school or don't know about it until very late in the process. This is a part of the problem that needs to be solved by creating a less toxic and anti-underrepresented atmosphere within the school, and by creating pathways into the school for students who are maximizing opportunities in their environment by succeeding in Algebra 1 in 8th grade.

People at poor schools have many things to worry about, and going to TJ may be the least thing to worry about in their minds. Honestly, one doesn't have to go to TJ in order to be successful. Unless you attend one of those poor schools, you won't understand how much issues we have.

But that's just it. The admissions process gives a huge advantage right now to families who DO worry about it for years and years, and it shouldn't. TJ shouldn't have to be "a thing you worry about" for years in order to have access to it. Indeed, the point you make is one of the biggest arguments for why things need to change.

Who says you shouldnt plan for years to go to TJ? youre just making things up and passing them off them as truth.

TJ has about a 15% acceptance rate. Planning for years to go to TJ and giving up tons of other opportunities during your formative years for a process that tons of hugely qualified students don't succeed in - and by the way, has no tangible benefits that carry with you if you fail - is such a huge waste. The problem is that, even assuming an outstanding student who is talented and interested in STEM, success in the TJ admissions process is greatly helped by dropping everything that a student enjoys and might want to explore to maximize your STEM credentials and test-taking ability.

Huge numbers of these students are being rejected by this process every year even if they go completely by the book and plan for it since early elementary school. It's unhealthy and the process needs to change so as to disincentivize this sort of behavior.

None of this is any of your business or concern for other people's kids. If you dont want your kid to study hard from elementary, dont do it.

There is a difference between studying hard from elementary and selling out your kid's childhood to optimize a TJ admissions process that, if you fail, carries no additional benefit.

There shouldn't be a way to optimize the TJ process that goes beyond "get good grades and make the most of your opportunities".

Just because you don't want your kids to work hard doesn't mean you get to dictate that other people not push their kids to work harder. This really takes the cake. You really want people to minimize their ambition so that your kid can take the easy way and not have competition... ?

Work hard =/= optimize the TJ process. It's amazing the extent to which the status quo crowd wants to pretend that they are the only people who work hard, when in reality, many of them (not all, but many) are getting ahead because of privileged access to material that is supposed to be hidden.

There are a million ways to work hard and achieve merit, but right now only one of those ways is granting access to TJ, and it's almost singlehandedly responsible for the toxic environment that pervades the school and causes kids to resent their parents, grow to hate STEM, and consider suicide.

But the status quo crowd wants to preserve that single access point - not because it serves the greater STEM community, but because it's the only way that they can set themselves apart. Single access points should be reserved for things like the Spelling Bee, not the only taxpayer funded selective high school in FCPS.

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Just because you don't want your kids to work hard doesn't mean you get to dictate that other people not push their kids to work harder. This really takes the cake. You really want people to minimize their ambition so that your kid can take the easy way and not have competition... ?

that's fine, but when college admissions come around, don't be surprised when that kids loses out to better rounded kids

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe they can just give each child a number and this way no one would be racial profiling. make sure no one writes about race and then you would have no idea what race any of these kids were. Most of the FCPS schools are really good, therefore I'd just prefer the other schools have more opportunities available and leave TJ as it is unless for some reason they aren't getting the applicants they want in terms of ability. I don't think there should be any quotas or reduced measurements for certain races. All kids in FCPS are guaranteed a high school that prepares them for college if they want to take and succeed in the courses.

100% agree time for this thread to end

When schools like TJ have true racial and economic diversity and we actually live in an equal opportunity society, then we can start to talk about dispensing with the collection and publishing of data on race and income.

Until level, the data reveals discrimination that continues to exist and needs to be addressed.

The inequity in TJ admissions is likely due to societal disparities. FCPS isnt responsible for fixing those. The fact is some of these kids couldnt complete the curriculum as is. That isn't TJ/FCPS' fault

FCPS is currently aggravating those disparities with AAP and TJ, and that is squarely on Brabrand and the School Board.

Eliminate TJHSST.

How so? There is a responsibility for FCPS to provide an education for all. That requirement is being met. That doesn't mean all kids have to go to TJ. Advanced kids deserve a good education too. Neighborhood schools would not give these TJ students a challenging education. And most kids in neighborhood schools would not do well at TJ.

There is no requirement for FCPS to operate a magnet; the needs of children can be met at neighborhood schools; you have no idea whether other children besides those admitted could do well at TJ; and TJ reinforces segregation patterns by pushing higher-income families and certain ethnic groups towards specific schools that are considered TJ feeders.

It is an utter disgrace and completely at odds with the One Fairfax policy to which the BOS and FCPS have formally committed.

My kids are not smart enough to go to TJ. I admit that and I'm not jealous with kids who go to TJ. In fact, I admire them.

I do not understand why people are so upset at TJ. Please do not use the excuse of diversity and equal opportunities.

My kids go to a title 1 school. Less than 10% are white. Why those rich people don't move into my neighborhood to create more diversity at my school?????? Where those caring people did not want to lift up schools in the poor neighborhoods. Yet, these very caring people are all after TJ because lack of diversity. Our school is l also lack of diversity too, 70% Hispanic. So 70% Hispanic is ok, but 70% Asian is NOT ok?

Just wonder.....

Got it. It doesn’t bother you that virtually none of those Hispanic kids at your school will have the same opportunities as the kids at TJ or your own kids.

Fortunately, it does bother others.

If so, please help schools in the poor neighborhoods first before worrying about TJ.

One of the best ways to help those schools would be for the top students at those schools to have heroes from their community who are older than them and were successful in applying to and attending TJ - and that had a positive experience once they were there.

It is true that a part of this problem is that students from these communities are not especially interested in TJ, and a big part of the reason for that is that they don't believe that they are welcome at the school or don't know about it until very late in the process. This is a part of the problem that needs to be solved by creating a less toxic and anti-underrepresented atmosphere within the school, and by creating pathways into the school for students who are maximizing opportunities in their environment by succeeding in Algebra 1 in 8th grade.

People at poor schools have many things to worry about, and going to TJ may be the least thing to worry about in their minds. Honestly, one doesn't have to go to TJ in order to be successful. Unless you attend one of those poor schools, you won't understand how much issues we have.

But that's just it. The admissions process gives a huge advantage right now to families who DO worry about it for years and years, and it shouldn't. TJ shouldn't have to be "a thing you worry about" for years in order to have access to it. Indeed, the point you make is one of the biggest arguments for why things need to change.

Who says you shouldnt plan for years to go to TJ? youre just making things up and passing them off them as truth.

TJ has about a 15% acceptance rate. Planning for years to go to TJ and giving up tons of other opportunities during your formative years for a process that tons of hugely qualified students don't succeed in - and by the way, has no tangible benefits that carry with you if you fail - is such a huge waste. The problem is that, even assuming an outstanding student who is talented and interested in STEM, success in the TJ admissions process is greatly helped by dropping everything that a student enjoys and might want to explore to maximize your STEM credentials and test-taking ability.

Huge numbers of these students are being rejected by this process every year even if they go completely by the book and plan for it since early elementary school. It's unhealthy and the process needs to change so as to disincentivize this sort of behavior.

None of this is any of your business or concern for other people's kids. If you dont want your kid to study hard from elementary, dont do it.

There is a difference between studying hard from elementary and selling out your kid's childhood to optimize a TJ admissions process that, if you fail, carries no additional benefit.

There shouldn't be a way to optimize the TJ process that goes beyond "get good grades and make the most of your opportunities".

Should a student fail to get access, they're already built themselves up for a successful high school and college experience. They can test out of a number of math classes via AP exams, and have built up enough STEM related knowledge from projects and camps that they will be ahead of the game in engineering school.

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Just because you don't want your kids to work hard doesn't mean you get to dictate that other people not push their kids to work harder. This really takes the cake. You really want people to minimize their ambition so that your kid can take the easy way and not have competition... ?

that's fine, but when college admissions come around, don't be surprised when that kids loses out to better rounded kids

+1000 - this happens to TJ kids every year. Kids who are shocked when their friends of the same race who didn't get into TJ end up getting into the schools that they wanted to go to.

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Just because you don't want your kids to work hard doesn't mean you get to dictate that other people not push their kids to work harder. This really takes the cake. You really want people to minimize their ambition so that your kid can take the easy way and not have competition... ?

that's fine, but when college admissions come around, don't be surprised when that kids loses out to better rounded kids

+1000 - this happens to TJ kids every year. Kids who are shocked when their friends of the same race who didn't get into TJ end up getting into the schools that they wanted to go to.

big fish in a small pond vs small fish in a big pond. Personal's choice!

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The entire process has been compromised for the class of 2024. (See the other thread)

There are likely dozens of children that would have gained admission if the company had not systematically coached children to cheat.

If I was TJ Admissions, I would investigate. I would also offer admission to every child on the waitlist, especially if they are from a minority group or a girl.

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Anonymous wrote:The entire process has been compromised for the class of 2024. (See the other thread)

There are likely dozens of children that would have gained admission if the company had not systematically coached children to cheat.

If I was TJ Admissions, I would investigate. I would also offer admission to every child on the waitlist, especially if they are from a minority group or a girl.

I have a daughter and she is from a minority group. I would not want her to be accepted for these 2 reasons. If she is not good enough to be there, she should not be there.

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Just because you don't want your kids to work hard doesn't mean you get to dictate that other people not push their kids to work harder. This really takes the cake. You really want people to minimize their ambition so that your kid can take the easy way and not have competition... ?

that's fine, but when college admissions come around, don't be surprised when that kids loses out to better rounded kids

Again. Not your concern. Worry about your own kids.

TJ kids don't need you to worry about whether they can get into college.

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Anonymous wrote:The entire process has been compromised for the class of 2024. (See the other thread)

There are likely dozens of children that would have gained admission if the company had not systematically coached children to cheat.

If I was TJ Admissions, I would investigate. I would also offer admission to every child on the waitlist, especially if they are from a minority group or a girl.

I would emphasize that we only have hard and incontrovertible evidence of fraud for 2024, but we have circumstantial evidence of fraud for at least 2023 as well, given that 2022 was the first year of the Quant-Q.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe they can just give each child a number and this way no one would be racial profiling. make sure no one writes about race and then you would have no idea what race any of these kids were. Most of the FCPS schools are really good, therefore I'd just prefer the other schools have more opportunities available and leave TJ as it is unless for some reason they aren't getting the applicants they want in terms of ability. I don't think there should be any quotas or reduced measurements for certain races. All kids in FCPS are guaranteed a high school that prepares them for college if they want to take and succeed in the courses.

100% agree time for this thread to end

When schools like TJ have true racial and economic diversity and we actually live in an equal opportunity society, then we can start to talk about dispensing with the collection and publishing of data on race and income.

Until level, the data reveals discrimination that continues to exist and needs to be addressed.

The inequity in TJ admissions is likely due to societal disparities. FCPS isnt responsible for fixing those. The fact is some of these kids couldnt complete the curriculum as is. That isn't TJ/FCPS' fault

FCPS is currently aggravating those disparities with AAP and TJ, and that is squarely on Brabrand and the School Board.

Eliminate TJHSST.

How so? There is a responsibility for FCPS to provide an education for all. That requirement is being met. That doesn't mean all kids have to go to TJ. Advanced kids deserve a good education too. Neighborhood schools would not give these TJ students a challenging education. And most kids in neighborhood schools would not do well at TJ.

There is no requirement for FCPS to operate a magnet; the needs of children can be met at neighborhood schools; you have no idea whether other children besides those admitted could do well at TJ; and TJ reinforces segregation patterns by pushing higher-income families and certain ethnic groups towards specific schools that are considered TJ feeders.

It is an utter disgrace and completely at odds with the One Fairfax policy to which the BOS and FCPS have formally committed.

My kids are not smart enough to go to TJ. I admit that and I'm not jealous with kids who go to TJ. In fact, I admire them.

I do not understand why people are so upset at TJ. Please do not use the excuse of diversity and equal opportunities.

My kids go to a title 1 school. Less than 10% are white. Why those rich people don't move into my neighborhood to create more diversity at my school?????? Where those caring people did not want to lift up schools in the poor neighborhoods. Yet, these very caring people are all after TJ because lack of diversity. Our school is l also lack of diversity too, 70% Hispanic. So 70% Hispanic is ok, but 70% Asian is NOT ok?

Just wonder.....

Got it. It doesn’t bother you that virtually none of those Hispanic kids at your school will have the same opportunities as the kids at TJ or your own kids.

Fortunately, it does bother others.

If so, please help schools in the poor neighborhoods first before worrying about TJ.

One of the best ways to help those schools would be for the top students at those schools to have heroes from their community who are older than them and were successful in applying to and attending TJ - and that had a positive experience once they were there.

It is true that a part of this problem is that students from these communities are not especially interested in TJ, and a big part of the reason for that is that they don't believe that they are welcome at the school or don't know about it until very late in the process. This is a part of the problem that needs to be solved by creating a less toxic and anti-underrepresented atmosphere within the school, and by creating pathways into the school for students who are maximizing opportunities in their environment by succeeding in Algebra 1 in 8th grade.

People at poor schools have many things to worry about, and going to TJ may be the least thing to worry about in their minds. Honestly, one doesn't have to go to TJ in order to be successful. Unless you attend one of those poor schools, you won't understand how much issues we have.

But that's just it. The admissions process gives a huge advantage right now to families who DO worry about it for years and years, and it shouldn't. TJ shouldn't have to be "a thing you worry about" for years in order to have access to it. Indeed, the point you make is one of the biggest arguments for why things need to change.

Who says you shouldnt plan for years to go to TJ? youre just making things up and passing them off them as truth.

TJ has about a 15% acceptance rate. Planning for years to go to TJ and giving up tons of other opportunities during your formative years for a process that tons of hugely qualified students don't succeed in - and by the way, has no tangible benefits that carry with you if you fail - is such a huge waste. The problem is that, even assuming an outstanding student who is talented and interested in STEM, success in the TJ admissions process is greatly helped by dropping everything that a student enjoys and might want to explore to maximize your STEM credentials and test-taking ability.

Huge numbers of these students are being rejected by this process every year even if they go completely by the book and plan for it since early elementary school. It's unhealthy and the process needs to change so as to disincentivize this sort of behavior.

None of this is any of your business or concern for other people's kids. If you dont want your kid to study hard from elementary, dont do it.

There is a difference between studying hard from elementary and selling out your kid's childhood to optimize a TJ admissions process that, if you fail, carries no additional benefit.

There shouldn't be a way to optimize the TJ process that goes beyond "get good grades and make the most of your opportunities".

Just because you don't want your kids to work hard doesn't mean you get to dictate that other people not push their kids to work harder. This really takes the cake. You really want people to minimize their ambition so that your kid can take the easy way and not have competition... ?

Work hard =/= optimize the TJ process. It's amazing the extent to which the status quo crowd wants to pretend that they are the only people who work hard, when in reality, many of them (not all, but many) are getting ahead because of privileged access to material that is supposed to be hidden.

There are a million ways to work hard and achieve merit, but right now only one of those ways is granting access to TJ, and it's almost singlehandedly responsible for the toxic environment that pervades the school and causes kids to resent their parents, grow to hate STEM, and consider suicide.

But the status quo crowd wants to preserve that single access point - not because it serves the greater STEM community, but because it's the only way that they can set themselves apart. Single access points should be reserved for things like the Spelling Bee, not the only taxpayer funded selective high school in FCPS.

This entire post is nonsense. You don't explain a single statement you're putting forth as fact. Not a single one.