How would you feel about losing your company-provided health insurance for "medicare for all"?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m PP

We are also in DC.

Prior to ACA, you me employer had many more options of private plans. All gone now and forced to buy crap Obamacare plans at higher cost.

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Prior to ACA we couldn't get private insurance due to pre-existing conditions. ACA allowed us to become self employed.

Similar to this R in AZ:

Jeans told Ryan that he has campaigned for Republican candidates and, when the ACA was passed, told his wife that he would close his business rather than comply. The real-estate company he and his wife owned operated in two Midwestern states

"Then, at 49, I was given six weeks to live with a very curable type of cancer. We offered three times the cost of my treatments, which was rejected. They required an insurance card," Jeans said. "Thanks to the Affordable Care Act, I’m standing here today alive.

"Can I say one thing? I want to thank President Obama from the bottom of my heart because I would be dead if it weren’t for him," Jeans said as the audience applauded.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/arizona/2017/01/14/sedona-jeff-jeans-obamacare-aca-cnn-paul-ryan/96553138/


Pre ACA insurance plans had a lifetime cap at $250K, which you could easily reach if you had cancer. I know someone who did, and they died penniless and could no longer afford the treatement. That could be you one day.

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Ah, the tactics of anecdote-driven fear.

What about the 2 million people who lost their insurance because of ACA.

Or the 7 million who had to pay a thousand bucks FINE not to have to buy overpriced insurance they didn't want.

Or the dozens of millions who had to pay those overpriced premiums.

Or the dozens of millions who realized their high-deductible "bronze" plans were essentially a scam.

Yeah yeah, let's f#ck 50 million people so that I don't end up penniless -- as if there were no other options on the table.

You know.. some of you are really pollyana about your health and life, like that R from AZ who got cancer. When I was younger (I'm 50), I thought the same as you - I'm healthy, why should I get insurance. Then I had kids and got older and realized that anything can happen.. like getting hit by a car or getting cancer. You think.. well, tough sh1t, that's on you. That's the mentality of people like you. It's like the wild west and every man for himself mentality. No wonder our country is going down the tubes.

I think we've all been waiting for other options that Trump and R promised. But .. "who knew healthcare was so complicated".. that the Rs couldn't even get their own healthcare plan to pass because some in their own party couldn't stand behind it. But, I'm sure you know more than Trump and healthcare professionals. So, let's hear it.. what's your great idea?

Free catastrophic insurance for all.

We could pay for it tomorrow, and even generate profits to cover some preventive care, by going back to the pre-ACA system.

For preventive care, focus on pro-family, pro-personal responsibility policies.

Pre ACA had a lifetime max of $250K which you could easily reach if you have cancer. Pre ACA did not allow people with pre-existing conditions to get private insurance. That is how the insurance companies managed to keep the premiums somewhat lower. I had private insurance pre ACA.

Your preventative care plan is not a plan. "focus on pro-family".. what the heck does that even mean? Does that mean offer free birth control? free well check?

What happens if you get sick but it's not a catastrophic illness like cancer?

Basically, you don't have a clue, either on how to make this work.

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Anonymous wrote:What percentage of Americans currently have really great employee sponsored health care?

About half of our population has employer sponsored healthcare.
And, the majority of those are quite satisfied with their coverage.

So screw the other half, right? That's 163 MILLION PEOPLE - many of whom are CHILDREN - who don't have employer sponsored healthcare. The world doesn't end at the end of your nose.

DP here. It isn’t true anyway. Most people on employer health insurance are NOT satisfied. Maybe that was true 10 years ago. Most people I know have high premiums, high deductibles and a fraction of the coverage they used to have.

...and the reason for those premiums and deductibles is called Obamacare.

Now the same geniuses who passed ACA want to push free Medicare for All. They would paralize our country for a decade.

yes.. because ACA tried to get more sick people covered. How dare he. What kind of person would want sick people to get health care?

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Anonymous wrote:What percentage of Americans currently have really great employee sponsored health care?

About half of our population has employer sponsored healthcare.
And, the majority of those are quite satisfied with their coverage.

So screw the other half, right? That's 163 MILLION PEOPLE - many of whom are CHILDREN - who don't have employer sponsored healthcare. The world doesn't end at the end of your nose.

DP here. It isn’t true anyway. Most people on employer health insurance are NOT satisfied. Maybe that was true 10 years ago. Most people I know have high premiums, high deductibles and a fraction of the coverage they used to have.

...and the reason for those premiums and deductibles is called Obamacare.

Now the same geniuses who passed ACA want to push free Medicare for All. They would paralize our country for a decade.

Right, deductibles, premiums, and out of pocket expenses that increased like clockwork before Obamacare suddenly increased because of Obamacare when it was passed. BS. You just got a scapegoat other than the insurance/pharma/hospital industry.

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Anonymous wrote:My company provided health insurance sucks. We are in DC have fewer than 20 employees, forced to buy insurance from DC health link. I'd welcome medicare for all.

The idea sounds great -- something wonderful for free.

The reality, of course, is that nothing is free. Europe has higher income tax--much higher than here for the middle class--, higher payroll taxes, and a crazy 25% VAT "sales" tax on all goods and services.

ya, but it is still very comfortable living there. Have you been there recently? It is quite nice.

It is nice as a tourist, not so much for many people living there.

Explain otherwise that 20-30% youth unemployment in many countries, the financial trouble of many countries in the South, the recession in Germany, the rise of the far right.

Signed
- European

Depends on how you look at it. The leading cause of death in Europe for children is not gun violence, like it is here. If you are poor or middle class, you would be better off in Europe than in the US. At least they will provide medical care if you or your loved one gets sick. Here, you need insurance. What good is a job if you are too sick to work, and you can't get better to work because you don't have money to pay for care.

Healthcare is immensely better over there.

The labor market is immensely better over here.

I choose labor market.

I'm betting that if you got really sick, and could no longer afford healthcare here, the first thing you would do is run back to your European country to get treatment. I stated this in another thread.. people come here to make money. When they want a better quality of life, they go back to Europe. You like the policies here so you can make money, but acknowledge that if you get sick here, you're sol. What about the Americans who can't go to Europe for care? Screw them, right? You got your's. I don't care about anyone else. But, if you get sick, well thank goodness folks back in Europe care about your health. Nice.

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Anonymous wrote:What percentage of Americans currently have really great employee sponsored health care?

About half of our population has employer sponsored healthcare.
And, the majority of those are quite satisfied with their coverage.

So screw the other half, right? That's 163 MILLION PEOPLE - many of whom are CHILDREN - who don't have employer sponsored healthcare. The world doesn't end at the end of your nose.

DP here. It isn’t true anyway. Most people on employer health insurance are NOT satisfied. Maybe that was true 10 years ago. Most people I know have high premiums, high deductibles and a fraction of the coverage they used to have.

...and the reason for those premiums and deductibles is called Obamacare.

Now the same geniuses who passed ACA want to push free Medicare for All. They would paralize our country for a decade.

Right, deductibles, premiums, and out of pocket expenses that increased like clockwork before Obamacare suddenly increased because of Obamacare when it was passed. BS. You just got a scapegoat other than the insurance/pharma/hospital industry.

Nope, it's the same scapegoat -- Obama got in bed with the insurance/ pharma/ hospital industry in order to pass ACA.

Own it. ACA is Obama's legacy.

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Anonymous wrote:What percentage of Americans currently have really great employee sponsored health care?

About half of our population has employer sponsored healthcare.
And, the majority of those are quite satisfied with their coverage.

So screw the other half, right? That's 163 MILLION PEOPLE - many of whom are CHILDREN - who don't have employer sponsored healthcare. The world doesn't end at the end of your nose.

DP here. It isn’t true anyway. Most people on employer health insurance are NOT satisfied. Maybe that was true 10 years ago. Most people I know have high premiums, high deductibles and a fraction of the coverage they used to have.

...and the reason for those premiums and deductibles is called Obamacare.

Now the same geniuses who passed ACA want to push free Medicare for All. They would paralize our country for a decade.

Right, deductibles, premiums, and out of pocket expenses that increased like clockwork before Obamacare suddenly increased because of Obamacare when it was passed. BS. You just got a scapegoat other than the insurance/pharma/hospital industry.

Nope, it's the same scapegoat -- Obama got in bed with the insurance/ pharma/ hospital industry in order to pass ACA.

Own it. ACA is Obama's legacy.

And that's why this R thanks Obama from the bottom of his heart.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/arizona/2017/01/14/sedona-jeff-jeans-obamacare-aca-cnn-paul-ryan/96553138/

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Anonymous wrote:To me, this is a huge thing that will deeply affect my family. We currently have great health insurance and pretty much immediate access to any specialist we need. Deductibles are minimal.

Most of the Democratic candidates' plans will mean worse healthcare access for us, and I assume many folks. I find this really frustrating! How is this considered a winning issue. I'm not going to vote against my own self-interest.

Neither my DH nor myself could vote for Sanders or Warren or Harris on this alone.

And it's not just because of us. It's because abolishing private insurance would create such havoc in our healthcare system that would make life worse for EVERYONE.

Agreed. I am a Democrat but also a pragmatist and even if I would like to see "Medicare for All" eventually, I think we have to go public option first. The economy has to have time to absorb the changes because a hard switch flip would have devastating effects. So honestly I qualify my earlier comments here to say I would give up my employer based healthcare for a good public option AT THIS POINT. But yes, I want to see Medicare for All in the future. Our system is full of hidden costs that are bullshit and make the "healthcare market" a deeply flawed system. It's the only "commodity" I have to buy where I can negotiate the price upfront. You would never buy anything else that way.

Agreed.

Amazingly, Warren and Sanders have said that Medicare for All would imclude illegal immigrants.

There's no way such a thing works, ever.

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Anonymous wrote:What percentage of Americans currently have really great employee sponsored health care?

About half of our population has employer sponsored healthcare.
And, the majority of those are quite satisfied with their coverage.

So screw the other half, right? That's 163 MILLION PEOPLE - many of whom are CHILDREN - who don't have employer sponsored healthcare. The world doesn't end at the end of your nose.

DP here. It isn’t true anyway. Most people on employer health insurance are NOT satisfied. Maybe that was true 10 years ago. Most people I know have high premiums, high deductibles and a fraction of the coverage they used to have.

...and the reason for those premiums and deductibles is called Obamacare.

Now the same geniuses who passed ACA want to push free Medicare for All. They would paralize our country for a decade.

Right, deductibles, premiums, and out of pocket expenses that increased like clockwork before Obamacare suddenly increased because of Obamacare when it was passed. BS. You just got a scapegoat other than the insurance/pharma/hospital industry.

Nope, it's the same scapegoat -- Obama got in bed with the insurance/ pharma/ hospital industry in order to pass ACA.

Own it. ACA is Obama's legacy.

I am very happy there is no longer a lifetime max. GOP in congress hamstrung ACA. Please don't rewrite history.

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Agreed.

Amazingly, Warren and Sanders have said that Medicare for All would imclude illegal immigrants.

There's no way such a thing works, ever.

Elaborate please. What benefits would the Warren/Sanders plans provide to illegal immigrants and under what circumstances?

If they're saying that under their plan, ERs will treat motor vehicle accident victims, then I don't see the problem. If they're saying that their plan will provide illegal immigrants with 20 years of cancer treatments, then that's problematic.

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Nope, it's the same scapegoat -- Obama got in bed with the insurance/ pharma/ hospital industry in order to pass ACA.

Own it. ACA is Obama's legacy.

I am very happy there is no longer a lifetime max. GOP in congress hamstrung ACA. Please don't rewrite history.

+1. No member of the GOP was offering to vote for a healthcare plan if only the Dems would consider amendments less favorable to pharmaceutical companies.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What percentage of Americans currently have really great employee sponsored health care?

About half of our population has employer sponsored healthcare.
And, the majority of those are quite satisfied with their coverage.

So screw the other half, right? That's 163 MILLION PEOPLE - many of whom are CHILDREN - who don't have employer sponsored healthcare. The world doesn't end at the end of your nose.

DP here. It isn’t true anyway. Most people on employer health insurance are NOT satisfied. Maybe that was true 10 years ago. Most people I know have high premiums, high deductibles and a fraction of the coverage they used to have.

...and the reason for those premiums and deductibles is called Obamacare.

Now the same geniuses who passed ACA want to push free Medicare for All. They would paralize our country for a decade.

Right, deductibles, premiums, and out of pocket expenses that increased like clockwork before Obamacare suddenly increased because of Obamacare when it was passed. BS. You just got a scapegoat other than the insurance/pharma/hospital industry.

Nope, it's the same scapegoat -- Obama got in bed with the insurance/ pharma/ hospital industry in order to pass ACA.

Own it. ACA is Obama's legacy.

I am very happy there is no longer a lifetime max. GOP in congress hamstrung ACA. Please don't rewrite history.

You're the one rewriting history.

Plus, if you're so happy, why the push to restart the whole thing from scratch.

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Agreed.

Amazingly, Warren and Sanders have said that Medicare for All would imclude illegal immigrants.

There's no way such a thing works, ever.

Elaborate please. What benefits would the Warren/Sanders plans provide to illegal immigrants and under what circumstances?

If they're saying that under their plan, ERs will treat motor vehicle accident victims, then I don't see the problem. If they're saying that their plan will provide illegal immigrants with 20 years of cancer treatments, then that's problematic.

Sanders and Warren have explicitly said that the "for all" part includes undocumented immigrants, same as everyone else.

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Anonymous wrote:What percentage of Americans currently have really great employee sponsored health care?

About half of our population has employer sponsored healthcare.
And, the majority of those are quite satisfied with their coverage.

So screw the other half, right? That's 163 MILLION PEOPLE - many of whom are CHILDREN - who don't have employer sponsored healthcare. The world doesn't end at the end of your nose.

DP here. It isn’t true anyway. Most people on employer health insurance are NOT satisfied. Maybe that was true 10 years ago. Most people I know have high premiums, high deductibles and a fraction of the coverage they used to have.

...and the reason for those premiums and deductibles is called Obamacare.

Now the same geniuses who passed ACA want to push free Medicare for All. They would paralize our country for a decade.

Right, deductibles, premiums, and out of pocket expenses that increased like clockwork before Obamacare suddenly increased because of Obamacare when it was passed. BS. You just got a scapegoat other than the insurance/pharma/hospital industry.

Nope, it's the same scapegoat -- Obama got in bed with the insurance/ pharma/ hospital industry in order to pass ACA.

Own it. ACA is Obama's legacy.

I am very happy there is no longer a lifetime max. GOP in congress hamstrung ACA. Please don't rewrite history.

You're the one rewriting history.

Plus, if you're so happy, why the push to restart the whole thing from scratch.

DP.. people are happy that there are no more lifetime caps and those with pre-existing conditions can now get coverage. Everyone acknowledges that something needs to be done about rising health care costs.

Medicare for all will help reduce costs simply because of the size of the purchasing power. I don't agree it should be free for all. There should be means testing, just as there is now.

Rs haven't been able to pass their own plan; Trump can't even come up with a plan.

Dems have come up with a plan. If Rs have a better plan to reduce the cost across the board, we're all ears.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What percentage of Americans currently have really great employee sponsored health care?

About half of our population has employer sponsored healthcare.
And, the majority of those are quite satisfied with their coverage.

So screw the other half, right? That's 163 MILLION PEOPLE - many of whom are CHILDREN - who don't have employer sponsored healthcare. The world doesn't end at the end of your nose.

DP here. It isn’t true anyway. Most people on employer health insurance are NOT satisfied. Maybe that was true 10 years ago. Most people I know have high premiums, high deductibles and a fraction of the coverage they used to have.

...and the reason for those premiums and deductibles is called Obamacare.

Now the same geniuses who passed ACA want to push free Medicare for All. They would paralize our country for a decade.

Right, deductibles, premiums, and out of pocket expenses that increased like clockwork before Obamacare suddenly increased because of Obamacare when it was passed. BS. You just got a scapegoat other than the insurance/pharma/hospital industry.

Nope, it's the same scapegoat -- Obama got in bed with the insurance/ pharma/ hospital industry in order to pass ACA.

Own it. ACA is Obama's legacy.

I am very happy there is no longer a lifetime max. GOP in congress hamstrung ACA. Please don't rewrite history.

You're the one rewriting history.

Plus, if you're so happy, why the push to restart the whole thing from scratch.

DP.. people are happy that there are no more lifetime caps and those with pre-existing conditions can now get coverage. Everyone acknowledges that something needs to be done about rising health care costs.

Medicare for all will help reduce costs simply because of the size of the purchasing power. I don't agree it should be free for all. There should be means testing, just as there is now.

Rs haven't been able to pass their own plan; Trump can't even come up with a plan.

Dems have come up with a plan. If Rs have a better plan to reduce the cost across the board, we're all ears.

Free Medicare for All + abolishing private insurance is not a plan. It's chaos.

I prefer an imperfect status quo to utter chaos. As I suspect most moderates do, by definition.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What percentage of Americans currently have really great employee sponsored health care?

About half of our population has employer sponsored healthcare.
And, the majority of those are quite satisfied with their coverage.

So screw the other half, right? That's 163 MILLION PEOPLE - many of whom are CHILDREN - who don't have employer sponsored healthcare. The world doesn't end at the end of your nose.

DP here. It isn’t true anyway. Most people on employer health insurance are NOT satisfied. Maybe that was true 10 years ago. Most people I know have high premiums, high deductibles and a fraction of the coverage they used to have.

...and the reason for those premiums and deductibles is called Obamacare.

Now the same geniuses who passed ACA want to push free Medicare for All. They would paralize our country for a decade.

Right, deductibles, premiums, and out of pocket expenses that increased like clockwork before Obamacare suddenly increased because of Obamacare when it was passed. BS. You just got a scapegoat other than the insurance/pharma/hospital industry.

Nope, it's the same scapegoat -- Obama got in bed with the insurance/ pharma/ hospital industry in order to pass ACA.

Own it. ACA is Obama's legacy.

I am very happy there is no longer a lifetime max. GOP in congress hamstrung ACA. Please don't rewrite history.

You're the one rewriting history.

Plus, if you're so happy, why the push to restart the whole thing from scratch.

DP.. people are happy that there are no more lifetime caps and those with pre-existing conditions can now get coverage. Everyone acknowledges that something needs to be done about rising health care costs.

Medicare for all will help reduce costs simply because of the size of the purchasing power. I don't agree it should be free for all. There should be means testing, just as there is now.

Rs haven't been able to pass their own plan; Trump can't even come up with a plan.

Dems have come up with a plan. If Rs have a better plan to reduce the cost across the board, we're all ears.

Free Medicare for All + abolishing private insurance is not a plan. It's chaos.

I prefer an imperfect status quo to utter chaos. As I suspect most moderates do, by definition.

I stated up thread... they won't be able to implement "free for all". Status quo is ACA. I'm a moderate.