BOE Memer is proposing to study school boundary in MCPS

[Anonymous]

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Nice try, but Kennedy has a capacity of 1794 and enrollment of 1796 this year. Wheaton is the only DCC HS with space, which is an effect of their new building.

Kennedy is projected to be under capacity. Plus adding a few portables would easily increase the available space even more there so the capacity number could be increased to off set crowing at Blair, Einstein and Northwood. And yes, if there are free seats at Wheaton than the most expensive areas in TP that feed Blair should be assigned to Wheaton. Wheaton and Kennedy are part of the DCC so the people should have no problem going to a school within their own DCC overall boundary. After all, they didn't buy into a particular HS school zone, they bought into the DCC.

Kennedy is projected to be under capacity after its scheduled classroom addition opens in 2022. There will be a boundary study then to fill the seats.

And no, they didn't buy into a particular HS zone, nor did they buy into the DCC. They bought into Montgomery County, which has one school district, and everyone should know that school and/or consortia boundaries are subject to change at any time.

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[Anonymous]

So did it occur to anyone that rezoning for diversity will just mean that people re-segregate into different areas? How often is MCPS going to rezone to keep its desired racial balance? What happens when this can't be achieved at the edges of boundaries and requires kids to be bussed further and further.

The segregation that some posters are freaking about isn't just historical. Montgomery Village is a good example. In the 90s it used to be filled with lower to mid level feds and very MC. Now its all rentals with landlords allowing multiple families in one small TH, crime and one of the worst gang locations in the county. The whites all left for Frederick county, QO, RM or Olney cluster or VA. Wheaton, decades ago, was a nice place but everyone fled to closer in SS or the west. The eastern and northern areas of Silver Spring have been losing the UMC/MC too though they had fewer to start.

MCPS seems to be focused on enlarged schools that have dropping enrollments and where people are fleeing. Kennedy and Seneca Valley do not need more space. No amount of boundary shifting and bussing is going to make those schools attractive so rather than waste the expansion money, why not just expand the schools that are actually over crowded?

It just seems like a futile effort and distraction that won't return any benefits to actual students.

[Anonymous]

For those interested in the huge MCPS boundary study which is actually about to happen, the public meetings on the Northwest/Seneca Valley/Clarksburg study begin next week. http://gis.mcpsmd.org/boundarystudypdfs/SVHS_FlyerPIM1English.pdf

[Anonymous]

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Thank you! Rich students don’t suffer when some poorer students are present in their classes. But poor students perform worse when their classes are full of only poor students. At this point everyone in the rich schools is intentionally paying a premium to isolate their children from poor students. MCPS doesn’t have to allow that to continue. [code]

This isn't entirely true. You can add some poor low performing kids to a high performing school that is well resourced and the high performing kids will not suffer and the low performing kids might get better. This is a win.

However when you add too many low performing kids to a high performing school their performance does drop for the high performing kids. The low performing poor kids don't do better either. Look around at the MCPS schools with 25%-30% FARMS kids. Those kids are really not performing better than low performing poor kids at other schools. with a higher FARMS rate. This situation is a lose for students. MCPS though still sees it as a win because it makes the school APPEAR to look better than a school with only poor low performing kids. So if you actually care about kids you wouldn't support this plan. If you suck up to MCPS then sure its a great idea.

In terms of people choosing not to live in areas with high poverty, its crazy to think that someone believes that MCPS should have a say in where to allow people to live. Good grief. People 0white, black, asian, hispanic- will always avoid areas with high poverty if they can afford to do it. Why? Because high concentration of poverty correlates with high crime, poorly maintained properties and lower appreciation, and poor performing schools.

Look at the DCC. Blair, Einstein and Northwood are incredibly over capacity while Kennedy sits there with open seats. Why aren't more kids in the DCC diverted up to Kennedy to use those seats? Why aren't wealthier white or asian kids living in boundary for Blair assigned to Kennedy? Blair, Einstein, and Northwood residents would have a nervous breakdown if they were assigned to a lower performing DCC school in a higher poverty area with more crime.

Yep. It isn't just Bethesda parents who want to segregate their kids.

Kennedy is pretty near WJ which is over capacity. It would be a real win-win if they could move some WJ kids into that free space at Kennedy while improving the county's overall diversity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Thank you! Rich students don’t suffer when some poorer students are present in their classes. But poor students perform worse when their classes are full of only poor students. At this point everyone in the rich schools is intentionally paying a premium to isolate their children from poor students. MCPS doesn’t have to allow that to continue. [code]

This isn't entirely true. You can add some poor low performing kids to a high performing school that is well resourced and the high performing kids will not suffer and the low performing kids might get better. This is a win.

However when you add too many low performing kids to a high performing school their performance does drop for the high performing kids. The low performing poor kids don't do better either. Look around at the MCPS schools with 25%-30% FARMS kids. Those kids are really not performing better than low performing poor kids at other schools. with a higher FARMS rate. This situation is a lose for students. MCPS though still sees it as a win because it makes the school APPEAR to look better than a school with only poor low performing kids. So if you actually care about kids you wouldn't support this plan. If you suck up to MCPS then sure its a great idea.

In terms of people choosing not to live in areas with high poverty, its crazy to think that someone believes that MCPS should have a say in where to allow people to live. Good grief. People 0white, black, asian, hispanic- will always avoid areas with high poverty if they can afford to do it. Why? Because high concentration of poverty correlates with high crime, poorly maintained properties and lower appreciation, and poor performing schools.

Look at the DCC. Blair, Einstein and Northwood are incredibly over capacity while Kennedy sits there with open seats. Why aren't more kids in the DCC diverted up to Kennedy to use those seats? Why aren't wealthier white or asian kids living in boundary for Blair assigned to Kennedy? Blair, Einstein, and Northwood residents would have a nervous breakdown if they were assigned to a lower performing DCC school in a higher poverty area with more crime.

Yep. It isn't just Bethesda parents who want to segregate their kids.

Kennedy is pretty near WJ which is over capacity. It would be a real win-win if they could move some WJ kids into that free space at Kennedy while improving the county's overall diversity.

What is the win for the kids? So the adults can say there is diversity?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Thank you! Rich students don’t suffer when some poorer students are present in their classes. But poor students perform worse when their classes are full of only poor students. At this point everyone in the rich schools is intentionally paying a premium to isolate their children from poor students. MCPS doesn’t have to allow that to continue. [code]

This isn't entirely true. You can add some poor low performing kids to a high performing school that is well resourced and the high performing kids will not suffer and the low performing kids might get better. This is a win.

However when you add too many low performing kids to a high performing school their performance does drop for the high performing kids. The low performing poor kids don't do better either. Look around at the MCPS schools with 25%-30% FARMS kids. Those kids are really not performing better than low performing poor kids at other schools. with a higher FARMS rate. This situation is a lose for students. MCPS though still sees it as a win because it makes the school APPEAR to look better than a school with only poor low performing kids. So if you actually care about kids you wouldn't support this plan. If you suck up to MCPS then sure its a great idea.

In terms of people choosing not to live in areas with high poverty, its crazy to think that someone believes that MCPS should have a say in where to allow people to live. Good grief. People 0white, black, asian, hispanic- will always avoid areas with high poverty if they can afford to do it. Why? Because high concentration of poverty correlates with high crime, poorly maintained properties and lower appreciation, and poor performing schools.

Look at the DCC. Blair, Einstein and Northwood are incredibly over capacity while Kennedy sits there with open seats. Why aren't more kids in the DCC diverted up to Kennedy to use those seats? Why aren't wealthier white or asian kids living in boundary for Blair assigned to Kennedy? Blair, Einstein, and Northwood residents would have a nervous breakdown if they were assigned to a lower performing DCC school in a higher poverty area with more crime.

Yep. It isn't just Bethesda parents who want to segregate their kids.

Kennedy is pretty near WJ which is over capacity. It would be a real win-win if they could move some WJ kids into that free space at Kennedy while improving the county's overall diversity.

Kennedy is 7 miles from WJ. And as has been previously posted, Kennedy does not have free space.

[Anonymous]

I hope my children finish school in MCPS and I sell my house before the bussing starts. This will destroy property values and people will move out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Thank you! Rich students don’t suffer when some poorer students are present in their classes. But poor students perform worse when their classes are full of only poor students. At this point everyone in the rich schools is intentionally paying a premium to isolate their children from poor students. MCPS doesn’t have to allow that to continue. [code]

This isn't entirely true. You can add some poor low performing kids to a high performing school that is well resourced and the high performing kids will not suffer and the low performing kids might get better. This is a win.

However when you add too many low performing kids to a high performing school their performance does drop for the high performing kids. The low performing poor kids don't do better either. Look around at the MCPS schools with 25%-30% FARMS kids. Those kids are really not performing better than low performing poor kids at other schools. with a higher FARMS rate. This situation is a lose for students. MCPS though still sees it as a win because it makes the school APPEAR to look better than a school with only poor low performing kids. So if you actually care about kids you wouldn't support this plan. If you suck up to MCPS then sure its a great idea.

In terms of people choosing not to live in areas with high poverty, its crazy to think that someone believes that MCPS should have a say in where to allow people to live. Good grief. People 0white, black, asian, hispanic- will always avoid areas with high poverty if they can afford to do it. Why? Because high concentration of poverty correlates with high crime, poorly maintained properties and lower appreciation, and poor performing schools.

Look at the DCC. Blair, Einstein and Northwood are incredibly over capacity while Kennedy sits there with open seats. Why aren't more kids in the DCC diverted up to Kennedy to use those seats? Why aren't wealthier white or asian kids living in boundary for Blair assigned to Kennedy? Blair, Einstein, and Northwood residents would have a nervous breakdown if they were assigned to a lower performing DCC school in a higher poverty area with more crime.

Yep. It isn't just Bethesda parents who want to segregate their kids.

Kennedy is pretty near WJ which is over capacity. It would be a real win-win if they could move some WJ kids into that free space at Kennedy while improving the county's overall diversity.

Kennedy is 7 miles from WJ. And as has been previously posted, Kennedy does not have free space.

a short bus ride by MCPS standards

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Thank you! Rich students don’t suffer when some poorer students are present in their classes. But poor students perform worse when their classes are full of only poor students. At this point everyone in the rich schools is intentionally paying a premium to isolate their children from poor students. MCPS doesn’t have to allow that to continue. [code]

This isn't entirely true. You can add some poor low performing kids to a high performing school that is well resourced and the high performing kids will not suffer and the low performing kids might get better. This is a win.

However when you add too many low performing kids to a high performing school their performance does drop for the high performing kids. The low performing poor kids don't do better either. Look around at the MCPS schools with 25%-30% FARMS kids. Those kids are really not performing better than low performing poor kids at other schools. with a higher FARMS rate. This situation is a lose for students. MCPS though still sees it as a win because it makes the school APPEAR to look better than a school with only poor low performing kids. So if you actually care about kids you wouldn't support this plan. If you suck up to MCPS then sure its a great idea.

In terms of people choosing not to live in areas with high poverty, its crazy to think that someone believes that MCPS should have a say in where to allow people to live. Good grief. People 0white, black, asian, hispanic- will always avoid areas with high poverty if they can afford to do it. Why? Because high concentration of poverty correlates with high crime, poorly maintained properties and lower appreciation, and poor performing schools.

Look at the DCC. Blair, Einstein and Northwood are incredibly over capacity while Kennedy sits there with open seats. Why aren't more kids in the DCC diverted up to Kennedy to use those seats? Why aren't wealthier white or asian kids living in boundary for Blair assigned to Kennedy? Blair, Einstein, and Northwood residents would have a nervous breakdown if they were assigned to a lower performing DCC school in a higher poverty area with more crime.

Yep. It isn't just Bethesda parents who want to segregate their kids.

Kennedy is pretty near WJ which is over capacity. It would be a real win-win if they could move some WJ kids into that free space at Kennedy while improving the county's overall diversity.

Kennedy is 7 miles from WJ. And as has been previously posted, Kennedy does not have free space.

a short bus ride by MCPS standards

Come on. That's a long bus ride to one's "neighborhood" school. We're not talking about a magnet bus.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I hope my children finish school in MCPS and I sell my house before the bussing starts. This will destroy property values and people will move out.

The sky is falling! The sky is falling!

-Chicken Little

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

The segregation that some posters are freaking about isn't just historical. Montgomery Village is a good example. In the 90s it used to be filled with lower to mid level feds and very MC. Now its all rentals with landlords allowing multiple families in one small TH, crime and one of the worst gang locations in the county. The whites all left for Frederick county, QO, RM or Olney cluster or VA. Wheaton, decades ago, was a nice place but everyone fled to closer in SS or the west. The eastern and northern areas of Silver Spring have been losing the UMC/MC too though they had fewer to start.

Really? Wheaton doesn't seem like nobody lives there. I see lots of people out and about, whenever I'm there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

The segregation that some posters are freaking about isn't just historical. Montgomery Village is a good example. In the 90s it used to be filled with lower to mid level feds and very MC. Now its all rentals with landlords allowing multiple families in one small TH, crime and one of the worst gang locations in the county. The whites all left for Frederick county, QO, RM or Olney cluster or VA. Wheaton, decades ago, was a nice place but everyone fled to closer in SS or the west. The eastern and northern areas of Silver Spring have been losing the UMC/MC too though they had fewer to start.

Really? Wheaton doesn't seem like nobody lives there. I see lots of people out and about, whenever I'm there.

Wheaton seems like it's much nicer now than it was in the past. Not sure what that poster is smoking.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hope my children finish school in MCPS and I sell my house before the bussing starts. This will destroy property values and people will move out.

The sky is falling! The sky is falling!

-Chicken Little

This is one of the predominant themes on this board. No matter what the county decides to do about pretty much anything people will complain.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hope my children finish school in MCPS and I sell my house before the bussing starts. This will destroy property values and people will move out.

The sky is falling! The sky is falling!

-Chicken Little

The old timers in Horizon Hill also felt that the sky was falling when HH got zoned from Wootton to RM. Some people pulled their kids out of MCPS and sent them to public schools. Others just sent their kids to RM, and some of those kids became doctors and lawyers. I'm sure the some of the ones who went to private schools also became doctors and lawyers, too.

Fast forward 30 years, and the neighborhood is still full of professionals, many of whom send their kids to MCPS.

The moral of the story is that your kids will be fine.

[Anonymous]

lol.. ^sent them to *private schools