Wife takes care of the 'other woman', ends her DH's affair and his marriage in one evening

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This happened in 2018. Why are we resurrecting this thread? Unless the man died of COVID or something?

Because there are a few vocal scorned spouses who love a good Evil Cheater Got Murdered story and to warn other would be evil doers that cheating will lead to death and destruction. Or something like that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This happened in 2018. Why are we resurrecting this thread? Unless the man died of COVID or something?

Because there are a few vocal scorned spouses who love a good Evil Cheater Got Murdered story and to warn other would be evil doers that cheating will lead to death and destruction. Or something like that.

No folks, it’s because Apple released a podcast called Bad Bad thing in 2021 that explores this case. So the posts that resurrected this thread pick up and expand on that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:After reading this thread today I searched and listened to a couple of episodes of the podcast Bad Bad Thing. The final episode is an interview between the podcast host, a psychologist/psychotherapist and Mark Gerardot. It was very interesting and shed more light on things. Most noteworthy is that he clearly lives in serious grief over the events and has made an effort, at no benefit to himself (he hasn’t received any funds for his appearances and everything he receives from the book he wrote goes to charity) to raise awareness about suicide prevention and the impact on spousal mental health of infidelity. He’s released a lot of material Jennair left behind - a letter to her family and various recordings he made - revealing that she chose to kill Meredith and herself instead of him so that he would spend the rest of his life in pain over his actions. Apparently, he is.

Again I don’t condone Jennair’s actions. But she met him as a teenager and he and their marriage was her entire adult life. He lacked empathy in how he handled the situation in asking for a divorce - strung her along pretty cruelly - and she was suffering physical and mental health issues, was recently unemployed and consequently feeling devalued in general, and he’d moved her far from friends and family. It isn’t a surprise that she snapped and plotted the murder-suicide.

Yes that was my point. She had a lot of horrible things hit her at once including health issues. Again it's easy for us to say we would have done this or that, but having a nervous break down doesn't make for clear thinking.

The horrible OW on the other hand had many warning signs to leave them alone. She had no excuse to continue her bullying, and interference in their marriage. It was clear early on it could be a dangerous situation. I mean once she was fired she should have realized her life was being impacted by her horrible choices, same with Mark.

When someone interjects themselves into someones family they should assume there could be consequences.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This happened in 2018. Why are we resurrecting this thread? Unless the man died of COVID or something?

Because there are a few vocal scorned spouses who love a good Evil Cheater Got Murdered story and to warn other would be evil doers that cheating will lead to death and destruction. Or something like that.

No folks, it’s because Apple released a podcast called Bad Bad thing in 2021 that explores this case. So the posts that resurrected this thread pick up and expand on that.

PP you don't have to come on this thread if you don't like true crime. And yes the podcast had many things other media outlets didn't have related to the case. It certainly gave a little more insight to what Jennair was up against.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Often couples with no children have a stronger bond and codependency because they're each other's only family...

Good point. He wanted to keep her on the back burner to see if it would work out with the homewrecker. He was just as co-dependent, and probably knew he would struggle. I read he got some life insurance from her, but is still unemployed going by his FB page.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:After reading this thread today I searched and listened to a couple of episodes of the podcast Bad Bad Thing. The final episode is an interview between the podcast host, a psychologist/psychotherapist and Mark Gerardot. It was very interesting and shed more light on things. Most noteworthy is that he clearly lives in serious grief over the events and has made an effort, at no benefit to himself (he hasn’t received any funds for his appearances and everything he receives from the book he wrote goes to charity) to raise awareness about suicide prevention and the impact on spousal mental health of infidelity. He’s released a lot of material Jennair left behind - a letter to her family and various recordings he made - revealing that she chose to kill Meredith and herself instead of him so that he would spend the rest of his life in pain over his actions. Apparently, he is.

Again I don’t condone Jennair’s actions. But she met him as a teenager and he and their marriage was her entire adult life. He lacked empathy in how he handled the situation in asking for a divorce - strung her along pretty cruelly - and she was suffering physical and mental health issues, was recently unemployed and consequently feeling devalued in general, and he’d moved her far from friends and family. It isn’t a surprise that she snapped and plotted the murder-suicide.

Yes that was my point. She had a lot of horrible things hit her at once including health issues. Again it's easy for us to say we would have done this or that, but having a nervous break down doesn't make for clear thinking.

The horrible OW on the other hand had many warning signs to leave them alone. She had no excuse to continue her bullying, and interference in their marriage. It was clear early on it could be a dangerous situation. I mean once she was fired she should have realized her life was being impacted by her horrible choices, same with Mark.

When someone interjects themselves into someones family they should assume there could be consequences.

Yeah, like, obviously the wife is insane and would be awful to be married to, and cheaters do not deserve to be murdered. And the one who is breaking the vows and choosing to cheat is far more culpable than the AP.

But frankly I was surprised to read all these glowing endorsements of a woman who did horrible things. She's all for bringing people together? Well, unless you'e married to the man she wants, then she'll bully you to the point of insanity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:After reading this thread today I searched and listened to a couple of episodes of the podcast Bad Bad Thing. The final episode is an interview between the podcast host, a psychologist/psychotherapist and Mark Gerardot. It was very interesting and shed more light on things. Most noteworthy is that he clearly lives in serious grief over the events and has made an effort, at no benefit to himself (he hasn’t received any funds for his appearances and everything he receives from the book he wrote goes to charity) to raise awareness about suicide prevention and the impact on spousal mental health of infidelity. He’s released a lot of material Jennair left behind - a letter to her family and various recordings he made - revealing that she chose to kill Meredith and herself instead of him so that he would spend the rest of his life in pain over his actions. Apparently, he is.

Again I don’t condone Jennair’s actions. But she met him as a teenager and he and their marriage was her entire adult life. He lacked empathy in how he handled the situation in asking for a divorce - strung her along pretty cruelly - and she was suffering physical and mental health issues, was recently unemployed and consequently feeling devalued in general, and he’d moved her far from friends and family. It isn’t a surprise that she snapped and plotted the murder-suicide.

Yes that was my point. She had a lot of horrible things hit her at once including health issues. Again it's easy for us to say we would have done this or that, but having a nervous break down doesn't make for clear thinking.

The horrible OW on the other hand had many warning signs to leave them alone. She had no excuse to continue her bullying, and interference in their marriage. It was clear early on it could be a dangerous situation. I mean once she was fired she should have realized her life was being impacted by her horrible choices, same with Mark.

When someone interjects themselves into someones family they should assume there could be consequences.

Yeah, like, obviously the wife is insane and would be awful to be married to, and cheaters do not deserve to be murdered. And the one who is breaking the vows and choosing to cheat is far more culpable than the AP.

But frankly I was surprised to read all these glowing endorsements of a woman who did horrible things. She's all for bringing people together? Well, unless you'e married to the man she wants, then she'll bully you to the point of insanity.

She wasn't a nice person obviously. Plus after listening to some of the tapes she certainly had some mental issues as well. Those types of people are the same ones that don't believe a priest would abuse boys. Or that nice dad guy at work is sexually harassing co-workers. Bad people are across the board. Yes her spouse was more culpable, but an AP is kind of like the person who drives the get away car.

Actually his wife was pretty stable throughout most of the marriage, not insane. The obsessiveness was after the affair started. Meredith texting and calling him at home, and all the gaslighting which she never experienced.

[Anonymous]

After seeing this thread yesterday I listened to the podcast. Um wow.

[Anonymous]

What I don't understand is why they are doing things like doing to dinner and dog walks and living as husband and wife when he has been cheating on her and they are about to get divorced. Just leave!

The whole situation is 3 unstable people. The only decent one seems like Meredith's exh who told the wife to stop bugging him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What I don't understand is why they are doing things like doing to dinner and dog walks and living as husband and wife when he has been cheating on her and they are about to get divorced. Just leave!

The whole situation is 3 unstable people. The only decent one seems like Meredith's exh who told the wife to stop bugging him.

He was unsure about Meredith in reality. He tried to talk Jennair into staying nearby, and didn't want the divorce until she kept sewing recording devices into his jacket. He'd lie and say he wasn't going to call or see Meredith yet she was catching him over and over. They had a big fight where he said he wanted to divorce. I think if she got her act together he wouldn't have divorced her. He wanted to have dinners etc. and commented what a great cook she was. Too bad she didn't focus on herself and get a job. In no time it would have been over with Meredith. Regardless he was horrible.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:After reading this thread today I searched and listened to a couple of episodes of the podcast Bad Bad Thing. The final episode is an interview between the podcast host, a psychologist/psychotherapist and Mark Gerardot. It was very interesting and shed more light on things. Most noteworthy is that he clearly lives in serious grief over the events and has made an effort, at no benefit to himself (he hasn’t received any funds for his appearances and everything he receives from the book he wrote goes to charity) to raise awareness about suicide prevention and the impact on spousal mental health of infidelity. He’s released a lot of material Jennair left behind - a letter to her family and various recordings he made - revealing that she chose to kill Meredith and herself instead of him so that he would spend the rest of his life in pain over his actions. Apparently, he is.

Again I don’t condone Jennair’s actions. But she met him as a teenager and he and their marriage was her entire adult life. He lacked empathy in how he handled the situation in asking for a divorce - strung her along pretty cruelly - and she was suffering physical and mental health issues, was recently unemployed and consequently feeling devalued in general, and he’d moved her far from friends and family. It isn’t a surprise that she snapped and plotted the murder-suicide.

Yes that was my point. She had a lot of horrible things hit her at once including health issues. Again it's easy for us to say we would have done this or that, but having a nervous break down doesn't make for clear thinking.

The horrible OW on the other hand had many warning signs to leave them alone. She had no excuse to continue her bullying, and interference in their marriage. It was clear early on it could be a dangerous situation. I mean once she was fired she should have realized her life was being impacted by her horrible choices, same with Mark.

When someone interjects themselves into someones family they should assume there could be consequences.

Oh please. The least selfish person here is actually the OW. She was an asshole, but she had no obligation to the murderer. She did not deserve to die for "interjecting" herself into a pretend family. The murderer and her husband deserved each other. She should have taken him with her instead of killing the OW and letting the husband live the rest of his life peacefully(and yes, I would rather live in "regret" as he is now than die the "victim" of a cheating spouse).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What I don't understand is why they are doing things like doing to dinner and dog walks and living as husband and wife when he has been cheating on her and they are about to get divorced. Just leave!

The whole situation is 3 unstable people. The only decent one seems like Meredith's exh who told the wife to stop bugging him.

He was unsure about Meredith in reality. He tried to talk Jennair into staying nearby, and didn't want the divorce until she kept sewing recording devices into his jacket. He'd lie and say he wasn't going to call or see Meredith yet she was catching him over and over. They had a big fight where he said he wanted to divorce. I think if she got her act together he wouldn't have divorced her. He wanted to have dinners etc. and commented what a great cook she was. Too bad she didn't focus on herself and get a job. In no time it would have been over with Meredith. Regardless he was horrible.

The bolded is pretty shocking. If a man did this, DCUM would call him an abusive and controlling monster.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What I don't understand is why they are doing things like doing to dinner and dog walks and living as husband and wife when he has been cheating on her and they are about to get divorced. Just leave!

The whole situation is 3 unstable people. The only decent one seems like Meredith's exh who told the wife to stop bugging him.

He was unsure about Meredith in reality. He tried to talk Jennair into staying nearby, and didn't want the divorce until she kept sewing recording devices into his jacket. He'd lie and say he wasn't going to call or see Meredith yet she was catching him over and over. They had a big fight where he said he wanted to divorce. I think if she got her act together he wouldn't have divorced her. He wanted to have dinners etc. and commented what a great cook she was. Too bad she didn't focus on herself and get a job. In no time it would have been over with Meredith. Regardless he was horrible.

The bolded is pretty shocking. If a man did this, DCUM would call him an abusive and controlling monster.

Yet he was the one cheating, and telling her he wasn't. He was the one who agreed to go to couples counseling. He lied so much she resorted to getting proof. Yes maybe overboard, but still I'm going to blame the liar and cheater versus the one that catches the creep.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:After reading this thread today I searched and listened to a couple of episodes of the podcast Bad Bad Thing. The final episode is an interview between the podcast host, a psychologist/psychotherapist and Mark Gerardot. It was very interesting and shed more light on things. Most noteworthy is that he clearly lives in serious grief over the events and has made an effort, at no benefit to himself (he hasn’t received any funds for his appearances and everything he receives from the book he wrote goes to charity) to raise awareness about suicide prevention and the impact on spousal mental health of infidelity. He’s released a lot of material Jennair left behind - a letter to her family and various recordings he made - revealing that she chose to kill Meredith and herself instead of him so that he would spend the rest of his life in pain over his actions. Apparently, he is.

Again I don’t condone Jennair’s actions. But she met him as a teenager and he and their marriage was her entire adult life. He lacked empathy in how he handled the situation in asking for a divorce - strung her along pretty cruelly - and she was suffering physical and mental health issues, was recently unemployed and consequently feeling devalued in general, and he’d moved her far from friends and family. It isn’t a surprise that she snapped and plotted the murder-suicide.

Yes that was my point. She had a lot of horrible things hit her at once including health issues. Again it's easy for us to say we would have done this or that, but having a nervous break down doesn't make for clear thinking.

The horrible OW on the other hand had many warning signs to leave them alone. She had no excuse to continue her bullying, and interference in their marriage. It was clear early on it could be a dangerous situation. I mean once she was fired she should have realized her life was being impacted by her horrible choices, same with Mark.

When someone interjects themselves into someones family they should assume there could be consequences.

Oh please. The least selfish person here is actually the OW. She was an asshole, but she had no obligation to the murderer. She did not deserve to die for "interjecting" herself into a pretend family. The murderer and her husband deserved each other. She should have taken him with her instead of killing the OW and letting the husband live the rest of his life peacefully(and yes, I would rather live in "regret" as he is now than die the "victim" of a cheating spouse).

I think everyone agrees it shouldn't have come to murder, nor did Meredith deserve her life to be taken. However, Jennair didn't deserve to have her life destroyed as well.

They weren't a "pretend" family, and were married 24 years. From reading the book about the murder like all marriages there were some hard times, but overall they had a good marriage.

Still Meredith's role as boss, and knowing he was married demonstrated she was a pretty rotten person. After Meredith was fired she should have ghosted Mark completely, and gotten therapy. Not to see those warning signs didn't speak well of her intelligence either.

I agree. I'd rather live a good life which is the best revenge...but once again if you listen to that last week of recordings from Jeannair she was having a nervous breakdown. She wasn't thinking rational, otherwise she wouldn't have done what she did. When one decides to mess with someone's family, and finances often there are repercussions. I guess the mindset of a cheater is another form of mental instability. Apparently, all 3 were suffering from something...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What I don't understand is why they are doing things like doing to dinner and dog walks and living as husband and wife when he has been cheating on her and they are about to get divorced. Just leave!

The whole situation is 3 unstable people. The only decent one seems like Meredith's exh who told the wife to stop bugging him.

He was unsure about Meredith in reality. He tried to talk Jennair into staying nearby, and didn't want the divorce until she kept sewing recording devices into his jacket. He'd lie and say he wasn't going to call or see Meredith yet she was catching him over and over. They had a big fight where he said he wanted to divorce. I think if she got her act together he wouldn't have divorced her. He wanted to have dinners etc. and commented what a great cook she was. Too bad she didn't focus on herself and get a job. In no time it would have been over with Meredith. Regardless he was horrible.

The bolded is pretty shocking. If a man did this, DCUM would call him an abusive and controlling monster.

Yet he was the one cheating, and telling her he wasn't. He was the one who agreed to go to couples counseling. He lied so much she resorted to getting proof. Yes maybe overboard, but still I'm going to blame the liar and cheater versus the one that catches the creep.

She had more than enough proof. She was trying to force/beg her way into a marriage that was over. You cannot force someone to be married to you. She planned all of this meticulously. She even took shooting classes. Cheating is horrible, but it comes no where close to what she did. And she was very intentional, not an impulsive act.