MoCo is diverse, for sure, but MCPS schools are not

[Anonymous]

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This makes me think two things:

1) They should have been deported long before they had kids and settled down.
2) We need to remove birthright citizenship.

Because it's great for a country to have a large group of people who are native to the country but have no right to live there?

And this has what to do with MCPS, exactly?

Because a lot of the poverty and poor school performance is being driven by this immigration.

OK. Let's pretend all of the unauthorized Hispanic immigrants go away overnight. Poof. Gone. When this happens, then Montgomery County and MCPS will -- still be segregated.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

This makes me think two things:

1) They should have been deported long before they had kids and settled down.
2) We need to remove birthright citizenship.

Because it's great for a country to have a large group of people who are native to the country but have no right to live there?

And this has what to do with MCPS, exactly?

This country can do exactly what most other countries do and I did when I wanted to move: apply for a visa, wait, do the interview, earn a visa.

Do you really think the UK, Germany, Brazil, Canada, Singapore grant citizenship and full benefits to a 10 day old child who was born within their borders from non-national parents? Nope. Not even close. In most countries you are what your parents are until you formally apply.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

This makes me think two things:

1) They should have been deported long before they had kids and settled down.
2) We need to remove birthright citizenship.

Because it's great for a country to have a large group of people who are native to the country but have no right to live there?

And this has what to do with MCPS, exactly?

Because a lot of the poverty and poor school performance is being driven by this immigration.

OK. Let's pretend all of the unauthorized Hispanic immigrants go away overnight. Poof. Gone. When this happens, then Montgomery County and MCPS will -- still be segregated.

The budget will be considerably better and more resources for legal residents and citizens.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

This makes me think two things:

1) They should have been deported long before they had kids and settled down.
2) We need to remove birthright citizenship.

Because it's great for a country to have a large group of people who are native to the country but have no right to live there?

And this has what to do with MCPS, exactly?

Because a lot of the poverty and poor school performance is being driven by this immigration.

OK. Let's pretend all of the unauthorized Hispanic immigrants go away overnight. Poof. Gone. When this happens, then Montgomery County and MCPS will -- still be segregated.

The budget will be considerably better and more resources for legal residents and citizens.

Including all of the citizens in school whose parents just went poof, of course.

But anyway, what's your point -- if the budget is better, than it's perfectly fine for MCPS to be segregated?

[Anonymous]

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pp, think about what you wrote. Then this week, go early and drop your kid off at school and watch the student body and parents.
Do the kids or parents or teachers look like they give a damn? If not, then start squawking. You are getting railroaded by a poorly performing school that is probably focusing mainly on the troublemakers, apathetic kids and ESOLs.
Demand tracking and attention for your middle class kid. Just the fact that you're on dcum regarding this topic means you care. Do something more. Ask questions. Ask the school what it is doing for your middle class kid? Take the answer and call the press. The press is all over what generous MoCo is doing for illegals (special testing, special counseling, special meals, special English classes); go tell the press what most of MoCo does for a middle class, legal, net tax-paying family. Go tell presidential candidate O'Malley what his agenda has done to middle class kids in one of the largest counties in the country.

Yeah, no. My situation is not what you assume it is.

Also, the kids you call "illegals", I call "US citizens".

How do you know the actual citizenship of your school's students? Is this published somewhere? There are a ton of Central American kids who showed up in MoCo between the ages of 4-18. They are not U.S. citizens, nor are their parents. Furthermore, most entered the country illegally or overstayed their 90 day tourist visa thus are here illegally and undocumented. Marrying a US citizen Hispanic is a well-used loophole to overstaying your 90 days and filling for a greencar. Casa de Maryland lawyers can help you file your "Oops, I got married while a tourist" spousal greencard app.

I'll ask you the same question.

Also, I'll repost the link from earlier in the thread:

http://www.pewhispanic.org/2014/09/03/as-growth-stalls-unauthorized-immigrant-population-becomes-more-settled/

About 40% of adults who are unauthorized immigrants live with their US-born children.

40% anchor babies and 60% unauthorized illegal migrant children. Sounds like the recipe for exactly the major problems we are experiencing.

[Anonymous]

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This country can do exactly what most other countries do and I did when I wanted to move: apply for a visa, wait, do the interview, earn a visa.

Do you really think the UK, Germany, Brazil, Canada, Singapore grant citizenship and full benefits to a 10 day old child who was born within their borders from non-national parents? Nope. Not even close. In most countries you are what your parents are until you formally apply.

Yes, actually. Brazil has birthright citizenship. Canada has birthright citizenship. Germany changed its citizenship laws, because they had a lot of people who were born and raised in Germany who were not allowed to be German, and that didn't work out so well. And why we should model ourselves after Singapore, of all places, is a question I really can't answer. There are more people just in Maryland than in all of Singapore. Also, it's legal to sell chewing gum in Maryland.

[Anonymous]

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40% anchor babies and 60% unauthorized illegal migrant children. Sounds like the recipe for exactly the major problems we are experiencing.

Where did you get these numbers from?

Also, please remember that "anchor babies" are US citizens. I was born in the US, therefore I'm a US citizen. They were born in the US, therefore they are US citizens.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

This makes me think two things:

1) They should have been deported long before they had kids and settled down.
2) We need to remove birthright citizenship.

Because it's great for a country to have a large group of people who are native to the country but have no right to live there?

And this has what to do with MCPS, exactly?

Because a lot of the poverty and poor school performance is being driven by this immigration.

OK. Let's pretend all of the unauthorized Hispanic immigrants go away overnight. Poof. Gone. When this happens, then Montgomery County and MCPS will -- still be segregated.

The budget will be considerably better and more resources for legal residents and citizens.

Your W school rankings would tank because you would have to deport all the Asians.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

This makes me think two things:

1) They should have been deported long before they had kids and settled down.
2) We need to remove birthright citizenship.

Because it's great for a country to have a large group of people who are native to the country but have no right to live there?

And this has what to do with MCPS, exactly?

Because a lot of the poverty and poor school performance is being driven by this immigration.

OK. Let's pretend all of the unauthorized Hispanic immigrants go away overnight. Poof. Gone. When this happens, then Montgomery County and MCPS will -- still be segregated.

The budget will be considerably better and more resources for legal residents and citizens.

Your W school rankings would tank because you would have to deport all the Asians.

How? The Asians are legal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

This makes me think two things:

1) They should have been deported long before they had kids and settled down.
2) We need to remove birthright citizenship.

Because it's great for a country to have a large group of people who are native to the country but have no right to live there?

And this has what to do with MCPS, exactly?

Because a lot of the poverty and poor school performance is being driven by this immigration.

OK. Let's pretend all of the unauthorized Hispanic immigrants go away overnight. Poof. Gone. When this happens, then Montgomery County and MCPS will -- still be segregated.

The budget will be considerably better and more resources for legal residents and citizens.

NP. That would be wonderful. No gangs, no ESL, half of FARMS, no printing everything in Spanish too, no teacher disruptions from kids that don't understand English, no weekend backpacks to fill with food. Families that actually pay taxes and money that actually goes towards school than social services. One could only dream.

[Anonymous]

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How? The Asians are legal.

Well, some of them are. And some of them aren't. Just like the Hispanics!

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2013/05/for-asian-undocumented-immigrants-a-life-of-secrecy/275829/

[Anonymous]

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NP. That would be wonderful. No gangs, no ESL, half of FARMS, no printing everything in Spanish too, no teacher disruptions from kids that don't understand English, no weekend backpacks to fill with food. Families that actually pay taxes and money that actually goes towards school than social services. One could only dream.

Yup. MCPS was a paradise before the Spanish-speaking immigrants came. No poor kids. No segregation. No, wait...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

This makes me think two things:

1) They should have been deported long before they had kids and settled down.
2) We need to remove birthright citizenship.

Because it's great for a country to have a large group of people who are native to the country but have no right to live there?

And this has what to do with MCPS, exactly?

Because a lot of the poverty and poor school performance is being driven by this immigration.

OK. Let's pretend all of the unauthorized Hispanic immigrants go away overnight. Poof. Gone. When this happens, then Montgomery County and MCPS will -- still be segregated.

The budget will be considerably better and more resources for legal residents and citizens.

NP. That would be wonderful. No gangs, no ESL, half of FARMS, no printing everything in Spanish too, no teacher disruptions from kids that don't understand English, no weekend backpacks to fill with food. Families that actually pay taxes and money that actually goes towards school than social services. One could only dream.

What makes you think there'd be no ESL? There are kids from other countries other than spanish speaking that use ESL. I'm Korean,, and my siblings were in ESL along with some of their friends. And I'm pretty sure some of the FARMS kids are legal residents here (black, white, asian and hispanic).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

This makes me think two things:

1) They should have been deported long before they had kids and settled down.
2) We need to remove birthright citizenship.

Because it's great for a country to have a large group of people who are native to the country but have no right to live there?

And this has what to do with MCPS, exactly?

Because a lot of the poverty and poor school performance is being driven by this immigration.

OK. Let's pretend all of the unauthorized Hispanic immigrants go away overnight. Poof. Gone. When this happens, then Montgomery County and MCPS will -- still be segregated.

The budget will be considerably better and more resources for legal residents and citizens.

NP. That would be wonderful. No gangs, no ESL, half of FARMS, no printing everything in Spanish too, no teacher disruptions from kids that don't understand English, no weekend backpacks to fill with food. Families that actually pay taxes and money that actually goes towards school than social services. One could only dream.

What makes you think there'd be no ESL? There are kids from other countries other than spanish speaking that use ESL. I'm Korean,, and my siblings were in ESL along with some of their friends. And I'm pretty sure some of the FARMS kids are legal residents here (black, white, asian and hispanic).

I teach at a W feeder with a sizable ESL population that is about 30% Latino and 70% other ELLs. ESL isn't going anywhere.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What's the big deal about redrawing school boundaries to increase diversity? Or busing? Or really anything that the school district could do to lessen the segregation of the schools? Is your expensive house really going to suddenly drastically drop in value? Should it matter if the market value of your house does drop? Will it lead to massive white flight to... somewhere else? I just really don't think it would be that big of a deal to have the schools become a little more reflective of the socioeconomic and racial diversity of our area. As some posters have pointed out, their schools already are diverse. I'm sure the sky wouldn't fall if more schools were like those. Honestly, who doesn't value and benefit from a diverse student population?

Let's please have the county pay for more diversity by advertising incentives for folk to move to our great county from other places. Once they are here, let's heavily subsidize them to ensure they are happy and bring everyone they know. MoCo is a kind and gracious place, and can look after the U.S.'s unemployed and under-employed because we have great revenues from our over achieving population.

Then for the people who are working hard and paying taxes - either income taxes or very high property taxes (driven by their school districts), let's make MoCo even less appealing by telling them we are redrawing school boundaries so their children have to go to less-well performing schools, or so that they pay even more to go to private schools. This way, eventually all high tax payers will leave, and we can all be happy.

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