War with Iran Part II

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve tried to post two times about the doe UFC things they violate Geneva convention as war crimes, not going through. Look it up yourself.

we are not signatories to the Geneva convention so it doesn't matter. teh global order and intl law doest apply to the USA both in good times and in bad. we are the most powerful country in the world and have been for 100 years. our poor decision making for teh past 25 years has been weakening the all powerfulness that we had previously but there is no-one who can challenge teh might of the US. so its up to us citizens to not abuse that power.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’ve tried to post two times about the doe UFC things they violate Geneva convention as war crimes, not going through. Look it up yourself.

we are not signatories to the Geneva convention so it doesn't matter. teh global order and intl law doest apply to the USA both in good times and in bad. we are the most powerful country in the world and have been for 100 years. our poor decision making for teh past 25 years has been weakening the all powerfulness that we had previously but there is no-one who can challenge teh might of the US. so its up to us citizens to not abuse that power.

Are you kidding?!
THE UNITED STATES WAS A KEY DRAFTER OF THE GENEVA CONVENTIONS! IT IS PART OF THE POST WWII ORDER WE CREATED!

I just can’t anymore with the ignorance.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Let’s hope that Pakistan, as the adult in the room, saves us from Darth Pedo.

oh lord- as a 2nd gen Pakistani this sentence frightens me- inept, corrupt bunglers who have zero credibility or pretense at competence since the 1970s.

[Anonymous]

The ceasefire includes Lebanon.

People across the world can clearly see that Netanyahu and the Zionists are determined to pursue greater Israel at the cost of peace and the global economy.

[Anonymous]

Didn't Last Long

SEVERAL EXPLOSIONS AT IRAN'S LAVAN REFINERY: MEHR NEWS

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The United Arab Emirates says its air defenses are firing at an incoming Iranian missile barrage. Follow AP's live updates.

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Anonymous wrote:this is a good plan, america should take over the straight just like the panama canal

This plan does not give us control of the strait, are you nuts

The MAGAs are so desperate for this to be anything other than a total humiliation for Trump and his idiotic war.

Iran really pissed of their neighbors by closing a straight that is not theirs to close. Iran is now hated by all the neighboring Muslim countries

Iran has *always* been hated by its neighbors. All it does is fund terrorism in other countries.

what's changed is that the Arab street now doesnt hate Iran despite its bombing them. even Al Jazeera has softened its criticism of Iran by a lot over teh Cours eof this conflict. The nearly 2 billion muslims in the world blame all this conflict on Israel and are also focused on LEBANON more than Iran. they think the bombs are the fault of the US and Cereal despite the fact that they are coming from Iran.

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Anonymous wrote:Didn't Last Long

SEVERAL EXPLOSIONS AT IRAN'S LAVAN REFINERY: MEHR NEWS

Israel has absolutely no desire for this war to end yet. They have actively undercut the US-Iran negotiations at every available opportunity. They will do it again and they will continue doing it.

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Anonymous wrote:These are the things Trump has agree to

Key Points of the Proposal
Security Guarantees: A permanent end to the war and a formal guarantee that Iran will not be attacked again.
Sanctions Relief: The immediate lifting of all U.S. and international sanctions.
Regional De-escalation: An end to Israeli strikes in Lebanon and against other Iranian allies.
Strait of Hormuz Reopening: Iran agrees to reopen the vital shipping route under specific protocols.
Transit Fees: Implementation of a $2 million fee per ship transiting the Strait. Iran proposes splitting these proceeds with Oman.
Reconstruction Funding: Iran plans to use its share of the shipping fees to fund the reconstruction of infrastructure destroyed during the conflict instead of seeking direct reparations.
Nuclear Commitment: A reported commitment by Iran to not seek nuclear weapons and a request for recognition of its right to enrich uranium for peaceful purposes.
Frozen Assets: The release of all Iranian funds and assets frozen by the United States.

THIS IS FALSE.

The US has NOT agreed to this!

Yes they have. All of the things list can only be changed if the US and Israel want to invade. These are the same demand Iran has had from the beginning of the war.

Here is the wording of what the president said.
“We received a 10 point proposal from Iran, and believe it is a workable basis on which to NEGOTIATE.”
IOW - this has NOT been accepted. It is a basis for negotiations. Trump will never allow Iran to continue to enrich Uranium.

And, my prediction is that ships will transit the strait WITHOUT paying a fee.

But if Iran does not stop bombing Israel like it is currently doing, all bets are off.

Tell me what points will Iran give up in negotiations? Remember you have just bombed them for over a months and not one of their demands has changed. Iran holds all the cards. These points are not demands they are facts on the ground.

F Israel. Israel is never honors a ceasefire. Israel needs a good kick in the head.

The IRGC had its butt kicked. They had a choice. Electricity or no electricity. Pretty simple, China told them to take the deal. They have no allies in the Middle East.

With enough money from tolling the Strait they won’t need allies.

The $2M toll won't hold long term. It's too expensive compared to going the long way around Africa

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Please look at a map of the strait of Hormuz. Geography rules and Trump is f’d up bigly. We went from free passage to a toll You can’t get to Africa without going through the strait.

I was confused about it enough that I went and looked at the map. Maybe they’re talking about re-routing everything through the Red Sea? The Mediterranean?

the Red Sea is a bigger choke point - Houthis (who have been fighting the gulf Arabs for decades now & are crazed shiite fundamentalists who think they are the heirs to the 'old man on the mountain" the original Assasins (hashashin) control it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Let’s hope that Pakistan, as the adult in the room, saves us from Darth Pedo.

oh lord- as a 2nd gen Pakistani this sentence frightens me- inept, corrupt bunglers who have zero credibility or pretense at competence since the 1970s.

It’s how far the US has fallen.

[Anonymous]

As Israel is continuing to bomb and occupy Lebanon one wonders if the entire Iran “excursion” was cover for a land grab.

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I too had a good chuckle at Pakistan as the intermediary.

Seems like some people didn’t receive the cease-fire memo though.

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Anonymous wrote:These are the things Trump has agree to

Key Points of the Proposal
Security Guarantees: A permanent end to the war and a formal guarantee that Iran will not be attacked again.
Sanctions Relief: The immediate lifting of all U.S. and international sanctions.
Regional De-escalation: An end to Israeli strikes in Lebanon and against other Iranian allies.
Strait of Hormuz Reopening: Iran agrees to reopen the vital shipping route under specific protocols.
Transit Fees: Implementation of a $2 million fee per ship transiting the Strait. Iran proposes splitting these proceeds with Oman.
Reconstruction Funding: Iran plans to use its share of the shipping fees to fund the reconstruction of infrastructure destroyed during the conflict instead of seeking direct reparations.
Nuclear Commitment: A reported commitment by Iran to not seek nuclear weapons and a request for recognition of its right to enrich uranium for peaceful purposes.
Frozen Assets: The release of all Iranian funds and assets frozen by the United States.

THIS IS FALSE.

The US has NOT agreed to this!

Yes they have. All of the things list can only be changed if the US and Israel want to invade. These are the same demand Iran has had from the beginning of the war.

Here is the wording of what the president said.
“We received a 10 point proposal from Iran, and believe it is a workable basis on which to NEGOTIATE.”
IOW - this has NOT been accepted. It is a basis for negotiations. Trump will never allow Iran to continue to enrich Uranium.

And, my prediction is that ships will transit the strait WITHOUT paying a fee.

But if Iran does not stop bombing Israel like it is currently doing, all bets are off.

Tell me what points will Iran give up in negotiations? Remember you have just bombed them for over a months and not one of their demands has changed. Iran holds all the cards. These points are not demands they are facts on the ground.

F Israel. Israel is never honors a ceasefire. Israel needs a good kick in the head.

The IRGC had its butt kicked. They had a choice. Electricity or no electricity. Pretty simple, China told them to take the deal. They have no allies in the Middle East.

With enough money from tolling the Strait they won’t need allies.

The $2M toll won't hold long term. It's too expensive compared to going the long way around Africa

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Please look at a map of the strait of Hormuz. Geography rules and Trump is f’d up bigly. We went from free passage to a toll You can’t get to Africa without going through the strait.

Apparently you haven't seen the MAGA map:

DP. No, I haven’t seen this US propaganda.

[Anonymous]

From Heather Cox Richardson: “The American people spent the whole day wondering if their mad king would destroy the world, only to find out he was terrorizing them in order to protect his ego after starting a disastrous war.”

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Trump is now begging Iran to return to the JCPOA.

And in his begging, he is silent to ballistic missiles, funding proxies or control of the Strait of Hormuz.