War with Iran Part II

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can’t wait to see all the neocons and pro Israel war hawks swallow this “deal” and rally around Trump! Come on tell us what a great deal this is!

lol! Iran is now a rising power in the Middle East and will only get stronger. All those gulf states are going to cut ties with Israel and make deals with Iran.

Why? Because those states need to sell oil. They will gladly paid Iran reparations, remove sanctions and pay an environmental tax on all oil moving through the strait. It is cheaper vs what is going on now and it is predictable.

Don’t think Trump cares about what Israel thinks. Bet there is regime change in Israel after all of this. We have just set the table for China for the next 50 years.

When do we take down Cuba?

Well if Trump is involved Cuba will prime my be able to buy itself nuclear subs by next year. Just save the lives and write them the check now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I thought this war was started because Iran was an imminent threat and close to getting a nuclear bomb. But this supposed peace still doesn’t address their nuclear capabilities at all.

I guess there is an advantage to not having a reason for starting a war.

Morning Joe says they lifted the same language, verbatim, from the JCPOA and put it in this Art of a Deal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I thought this war was started because Iran was an imminent threat and close to getting a nuclear bomb. But this supposed peace still doesn’t address their nuclear capabilities at all.

I guess there is an advantage to not having a reason for starting a war.

The MOU mentions nothing about inspections confirming when Iran says that it’s not enriching uranium that its true. And also makes no mention of the Strait being free and open unless I missed something?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought this war was started because Iran was an imminent threat and close to getting a nuclear bomb. But this supposed peace still doesn’t address their nuclear capabilities at all.

I guess there is an advantage to not having a reason for starting a war.

Morning Joe says they lifted the same language, verbatim, from the JCPOA and put it in this Art of a Deal.

except no inspectors

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought this war was started because Iran was an imminent threat and close to getting a nuclear bomb. But this supposed peace still doesn’t address their nuclear capabilities at all.

I guess there is an advantage to not having a reason for starting a war.

The MOU mentions nothing about inspections confirming when Iran says that it’s not enriching uranium that its true. And also makes no mention of the Strait being free and open unless I missed something?

Those things are in the US version of the MOU. 😉

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

As an example of how bad this "agreement" is, Fox News MAGA comments are quite angry. Some examples of comments, all with majority up votes.

"This NOT an agreement, people. It's a memorandum of understanding. Big difference. An MOA is a Non-binding agreement that outlines shared goals, intentions, and the general framework for a future partnership. It serves as a stepping stone to a legally binding contract. But the MOU is not an agreement. I voted for Trump three times. But he's gaslighting you. Very disturbing."

*****

"This is horsecrap. Very disappointed in the president. NO NUKES--PERIOD should be in the initial deal, not something to discuss after 60 days."

*****

"I would HARDLY call this a 'peace plan' when this is nothing more than a 'memo', using fancy terms like Memorandum of Understanding, whereby the Iranians get 60-days to STILL 'NEGOTIATE' whether or not they want to give up their nuclear ambitions.

And giving Iran $300 BILLION to 'rebuild' their infrastructure sounds like ANOTHER 'palettes of cash' deal.

I'm NOT impressed with this 'deal' that President Trump's team negotiated."

*****

"I am very disappointed in President Trump. I voted for him three times but this quest to be a “Dealmaker” at any cost will lead to more war.

Iran is getting immediate sanctions relief while giving up nothing—no uranium, no ballistic missile program, no proxies, nothing.

In fact, it’s worse than before the war.

As someone once said:
Iran never won a war but never lost a negotiation!"

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As an example of how bad this "agreement" is, Fox News MAGA comments are quite angry. Some examples of comments, all with majority up votes.

"This NOT an agreement, people. It's a memorandum of understanding. Big difference. An MOA is a Non-binding agreement that outlines shared goals, intentions, and the general framework for a future partnership. It serves as a stepping stone to a legally binding contract. But the MOU is not an agreement. I voted for Trump three times. But he's gaslighting you. Very disturbing."

*****

"This is horsecrap. Very disappointed in the president. NO NUKES--PERIOD should be in the initial deal, not something to discuss after 60 days."

*****

"I would HARDLY call this a 'peace plan' when this is nothing more than a 'memo', using fancy terms like Memorandum of Understanding, whereby the Iranians get 60-days to STILL 'NEGOTIATE' whether or not they want to give up their nuclear ambitions.

And giving Iran $300 BILLION to 'rebuild' their infrastructure sounds like ANOTHER 'palettes of cash' deal.

I'm NOT impressed with this 'deal' that President Trump's team negotiated."

*****

"I am very disappointed in President Trump. I voted for him three times but this quest to be a “Dealmaker” at any cost will lead to more war.

Iran is getting immediate sanctions relief while giving up nothing—no uranium, no ballistic missile program, no proxies, nothing.

In fact, it’s worse than before the war.

As someone once said:
Iran never won a war but never lost a negotiation!"

Trump himself tweeted this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

The sanctions are unenforceable because Iran can stop or reduce oil flows to countries that will not trade with them. Iran has a lot of power here. Money and self interest alway beat out sanctions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought this war was started because Iran was an imminent threat and close to getting a nuclear bomb. But this supposed peace still doesn’t address their nuclear capabilities at all.

I guess there is an advantage to not having a reason for starting a war.

The MOU mentions nothing about inspections confirming when Iran says that it’s not enriching uranium that its true. And also makes no mention of the Strait being free and open unless I missed something?

Those things are in the US version of the MOU. 😉

Link to this US version? Seems like a problem if there are two versions. It would indicate there is not in fact an agreement.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought this war was started because Iran was an imminent threat and close to getting a nuclear bomb. But this supposed peace still doesn’t address their nuclear capabilities at all.

I guess there is an advantage to not having a reason for starting a war.

The MOU mentions nothing about inspections confirming when Iran says that it’s not enriching uranium that its true. And also makes no mention of the Strait being free and open unless I missed something?

Those things are in the US version of the MOU. 😉

Link to this US version? Seems like a problem if there are two versions. It would indicate there is not in fact an agreement.

They apparently can't show it for reasons. But it's totally awesome and isn't a total capitulation at all, but, you know, secretly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As an example of how bad this "agreement" is, Fox News MAGA comments are quite angry. Some examples of comments, all with majority up votes.

"This NOT an agreement, people. It's a memorandum of understanding. Big difference. An MOA is a Non-binding agreement that outlines shared goals, intentions, and the general framework for a future partnership. It serves as a stepping stone to a legally binding contract. But the MOU is not an agreement. I voted for Trump three times. But he's gaslighting you. Very disturbing."

*****

"This is horsecrap. Very disappointed in the president. NO NUKES--PERIOD should be in the initial deal, not something to discuss after 60 days."

*****

"I would HARDLY call this a 'peace plan' when this is nothing more than a 'memo', using fancy terms like Memorandum of Understanding, whereby the Iranians get 60-days to STILL 'NEGOTIATE' whether or not they want to give up their nuclear ambitions.

And giving Iran $300 BILLION to 'rebuild' their infrastructure sounds like ANOTHER 'palettes of cash' deal.

I'm NOT impressed with this 'deal' that President Trump's team negotiated."

*****

"I am very disappointed in President Trump. I voted for him three times but this quest to be a “Dealmaker” at any cost will lead to more war.

Iran is getting immediate sanctions relief while giving up nothing—no uranium, no ballistic missile program, no proxies, nothing.

In fact, it’s worse than before the war.

As someone once said:
Iran never won a war but never lost a negotiation!"

Why would Iran give up anything? They are not giving up control of the strait, missiles, drones or their nuclear material. They agreed to this before and got attacked by the US and Israel. This was largely because Israel push the US in to war with Iran.

The Iranians have said they are not giving up these things before and during the ceasefire. It is time for the pro Israel/neocons groups to accept reality. The US took its best shot and failed. I doubt Bibi survives this. Trump will but republicans will not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought this war was started because Iran was an imminent threat and close to getting a nuclear bomb. But this supposed peace still doesn’t address their nuclear capabilities at all.

I guess there is an advantage to not having a reason for starting a war.

The MOU mentions nothing about inspections confirming when Iran says that it’s not enriching uranium that its true. And also makes no mention of the Strait being free and open unless I missed something?

Those things are in the US version of the MOU. 😉

Link to this US version? Seems like a problem if there are two versions. It would indicate there is not in fact an agreement.

What they have agreed to is 60 more days of the ceasefire and Iran has 30 days to open the strait or else Trump will talk to Bibi.

Ever notice how Trump and company describes the Iranians as desperate for a peace deal and a few minutes later talk about how hard it is to negotiate with the Iranians? The Iranians are not desperate. Let watch the tanker traffic. Will it be restored to pre war levels in 30 days? When will China start buying oil again. The Chinese have reduced their oil buys by 8 million barrels a day.