MLS next ruining high school soccer

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Anonymous wrote:Don't expect much in HS soccer, no matter how good your kid is. 9th/10th grader playing high level ball doesn't translate into standout in HS because it's 100% speed and size. Now, when your young ecnl/mlsnext player is a 11/12 grader they will dominate because the size/speed thing isn't an issue anymore.

Don't invest time into guessing why my skilled freshman isn't playing, he's prob just not fast or big enough. Keep supporting their efforts!

This is true for most but if they can figure it out and adapt to the pace at a young age they are going to be special. If you think high school is a track meet, you should really go watch the college game all these mls next player/parents want there kid to play. It is very sloppy and looks more like a high school game with extreme pressing for 90 minutes. watch the UVA vs VT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMwYpCj2WqA

I was going to say. Isn't speed and athleticism where the game ultimately goes for all these players? We focus on skill, mind set and understanding of the game but aren't those prerequisites for what is ultimately a grueling physical sport determined by quickness, speed, power and toughness?

No

You obviously don't know what quality high level soccer is.

You just described tackle football and rugby

Huh? Educate me about what high level soccer is. Americans are the only people that believe soccer isn't about toughness, grit and yes, athleticism. Nobody plays "quality high level soccer" without those attributes.

Then explain how Spain won the World Cup if you need NFL Linebackers

Ha! This is a primitive attempt to shift the goal posts into an argument you can win. I simple said they have to be elite athletes where speed, quickness and athleticism ultimately reign supreme -- you know like, in the top leagues around the world. Your unsubstantiated leap to football is rejected but I'm happy to hear you explain how I'm wrong on the merits of my argument where ever you are ready. Nice try though.

Ball control and mastery, IQ, Decision-making, tactical knowledge, reading the game with anticipation, passing, vision are just some of the things that come before running speed and jumping ability for the best soccer players

The ignorant amateurs think speed in soccer is same as track and field.
It's speed of thought and execution, not flat out running.

Johan Cruyff said it best, he was faster in his mind thinking of the next move before his opponent.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't expect much in HS soccer, no matter how good your kid is. 9th/10th grader playing high level ball doesn't translate into standout in HS because it's 100% speed and size. Now, when your young ecnl/mlsnext player is a 11/12 grader they will dominate because the size/speed thing isn't an issue anymore.

Don't invest time into guessing why my skilled freshman isn't playing, he's prob just not fast or big enough. Keep supporting their efforts!

This is true for most but if they can figure it out and adapt to the pace at a young age they are going to be special. If you think high school is a track meet, you should really go watch the college game all these mls next player/parents want there kid to play. It is very sloppy and looks more like a high school game with extreme pressing for 90 minutes. watch the UVA vs VT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMwYpCj2WqA

I was going to say. Isn't speed and athleticism where the game ultimately goes for all these players? We focus on skill, mind set and understanding of the game but aren't those prerequisites for what is ultimately a grueling physical sport determined by quickness, speed, power and toughness?

No

You obviously don't know what quality high level soccer is.

You just described tackle football and rugby

Huh? Educate me about what high level soccer is. Americans are the only people that believe soccer isn't about toughness, grit and yes, athleticism. Nobody plays "quality high level soccer" without those attributes.

Then explain how Spain won the World Cup if you need NFL Linebackers

Ha! This is a primitive attempt to shift the goal posts into an argument you can win. I simple said they have to be elite athletes where speed, quickness and athleticism ultimately reign supreme -- you know like, in the top leagues around the world. Your unsubstantiated leap to football is rejected but I'm happy to hear you explain how I'm wrong on the merits of my argument where ever you are ready. Nice try though.

Ball control and mastery, IQ, Decision-making, tactical knowledge, reading the game with anticipation, passing, vision are just some of the things that come before running speed and jumping ability for the best soccer players

The ignorant amateurs think speed in soccer is same as track and field.
It's speed of thought and execution, not flat out running.

Johan Cruyff said it best, he was faster in his mind thinking of the next move before his opponent.

I don't recall any reference to jumping but if it you believe it strengthens your argument, fine.

I would say the you are outlining prerequisites and I'm identifying differentiators. Cryuff STOPPED playing 50 years ago! I'm no expert on his athleticism but today's stars are all super athletes.

Please list all the objective measurable elements of a "super athlete" so we can all be on the same page.

Then tell us how all the current professional players meet this criteria.

I'm curious about the answers to this too to see how far or near my DS is

D1 / PRO MINIMUM ATHLETIC BENCHMARKS (BY POSITION)
🪽 WINGERS / FULLBACKS (Highest demand)
0–10m Acceleration: ≤ 1.70 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 32 km/h (20 mph)
5-10-5 Agility: ≤ 4.35 sec
Repeat Sprint Drop-off: ≤ 7%
Endurance (Yo-Yo): ≥ 2200m
(Test: Yo-Yo Intermittent Recovery Test Level 1)
👉 If you’re under these, it’s very hard to survive wide.
🎯 CENTER MIDFIELDERS (Engine + Agility)
0–10m Acceleration: ≤ 1.75 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 30–31 km/h
5-10-5 Agility: ≤ 4.40 sec
Repeat Sprint Drop-off: ≤ 6% (very important)
Endurance (Yo-Yo): ≥ 2300–2500m
👉 You don’t need elite speed—but you must cover ground and turn efficiently.
🛡️ CENTER BACKS (Power + Positioning)
0–10m Acceleration: ≤ 1.80 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 30 km/h
5-10-5 Agility: ≤ 4.50 sec
Vertical Jump: ≥ 26–30 inches
Strength: ≥ 1.8× bodyweight squat
👉 You can be slightly slower—but not slow enough to get exposed in space.
⚽ STRIKERS (Varies by type)
Speed-Based Striker
0–10m: ≤ 1.70 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 32 km/h
Agility: ≤ 4.35 sec
Hold-Up / Technical Striker
0–10m: ≤ 1.80 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 29–30 km/h
Strength: High (duels, shielding)
👉 You can lack speed if you bring elite finishing, positioning, or strength.

Overall
No major movement inefficiencies (poor decel, upright running, etc.)
⚠️ Important Reality
These are entry-level thresholds, not what pros actually average
Most D1/pro players are above these in multiple areas
Players below these must compensate with:
Elite technical ability
Elite decision-making
Or a standout trait

Comedy at it's best

No wonder we can't produce world class players

Your argument about Spain is laughable as well. They haven’t won a World Cup since 2010 because they haven’t had any top tier athletes which is needed to score. Even looking at their 2010 run they didn’t score goals. Averaged probably like 1.2 goals a game. However they did have elite athletes defensively which made their defense so strong. There is a very high skill attributes needed no doubt but what separates you at the highest level from other pros is usually athletic ability.

Spain are the current European champions and Argentina are the current world champions

Neither are known for super athletes

You need to go to the ECNL thread and argue about SY vs GY and stop pretending to know soccer

I went through all of the starters on Argentina’s World Cup starting 11 and every single one of them max speed recorded in game was higher than the previous posters criteria of over 30km/h. Yes they are not considered the fastest squad but all of these guys are very fast. Less than 1-2% of the population would be able to get this speed. Which already knocks out 90-95% of male athletes.

Shocker!
Top professional and international soccer players are athletic

Athleticism is obviously a part of the game, but if athleticism was the most important the US would have several world cup trophies

Yes sure it’s not everything but if I went to a top mls next team they are only going to have 2-3 players that are even athletic enough to play professional soccer even in MLS. Even the slow players are insanely fast. And these MLS next coaches and organizations making these promises are lying to parents. 30-40% of the MLS next kids don’t play any college and many can’t even see the field on a division 3 team and quit after a year or two. Let them enjoy themselves and be great in high school soccer and have those memories for a lifetime. Putting all that hard work and time and never being something other than an average player on your club team is so sad

Why is playing HS soccer memories bigger and better memories than the MLS Next memories of playing in Florida right now at GA Cup against International academies while spending over a week bonding with teammates and meeting the best players from all over the country?

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Anonymous wrote:Don't expect much in HS soccer, no matter how good your kid is. 9th/10th grader playing high level ball doesn't translate into standout in HS because it's 100% speed and size. Now, when your young ecnl/mlsnext player is a 11/12 grader they will dominate because the size/speed thing isn't an issue anymore.

Don't invest time into guessing why my skilled freshman isn't playing, he's prob just not fast or big enough. Keep supporting their efforts!

This is true for most but if they can figure it out and adapt to the pace at a young age they are going to be special. If you think high school is a track meet, you should really go watch the college game all these mls next player/parents want there kid to play. It is very sloppy and looks more like a high school game with extreme pressing for 90 minutes. watch the UVA vs VT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMwYpCj2WqA

I was going to say. Isn't speed and athleticism where the game ultimately goes for all these players? We focus on skill, mind set and understanding of the game but aren't those prerequisites for what is ultimately a grueling physical sport determined by quickness, speed, power and toughness?

No

You obviously don't know what quality high level soccer is.

You just described tackle football and rugby

Huh? Educate me about what high level soccer is. Americans are the only people that believe soccer isn't about toughness, grit and yes, athleticism. Nobody plays "quality high level soccer" without those attributes.

Then explain how Spain won the World Cup if you need NFL Linebackers

Ha! This is a primitive attempt to shift the goal posts into an argument you can win. I simple said they have to be elite athletes where speed, quickness and athleticism ultimately reign supreme -- you know like, in the top leagues around the world. Your unsubstantiated leap to football is rejected but I'm happy to hear you explain how I'm wrong on the merits of my argument where ever you are ready. Nice try though.

Ball control and mastery, IQ, Decision-making, tactical knowledge, reading the game with anticipation, passing, vision are just some of the things that come before running speed and jumping ability for the best soccer players

The ignorant amateurs think speed in soccer is same as track and field.
It's speed of thought and execution, not flat out running.

Johan Cruyff said it best, he was faster in his mind thinking of the next move before his opponent.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't expect much in HS soccer, no matter how good your kid is. 9th/10th grader playing high level ball doesn't translate into standout in HS because it's 100% speed and size. Now, when your young ecnl/mlsnext player is a 11/12 grader they will dominate because the size/speed thing isn't an issue anymore.

Don't invest time into guessing why my skilled freshman isn't playing, he's prob just not fast or big enough. Keep supporting their efforts!

This is true for most but if they can figure it out and adapt to the pace at a young age they are going to be special. If you think high school is a track meet, you should really go watch the college game all these mls next player/parents want there kid to play. It is very sloppy and looks more like a high school game with extreme pressing for 90 minutes. watch the UVA vs VT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMwYpCj2WqA

I was going to say. Isn't speed and athleticism where the game ultimately goes for all these players? We focus on skill, mind set and understanding of the game but aren't those prerequisites for what is ultimately a grueling physical sport determined by quickness, speed, power and toughness?

No

You obviously don't know what quality high level soccer is.

You just described tackle football and rugby

Huh? Educate me about what high level soccer is. Americans are the only people that believe soccer isn't about toughness, grit and yes, athleticism. Nobody plays "quality high level soccer" without those attributes.

Then explain how Spain won the World Cup if you need NFL Linebackers

Ha! This is a primitive attempt to shift the goal posts into an argument you can win. I simple said they have to be elite athletes where speed, quickness and athleticism ultimately reign supreme -- you know like, in the top leagues around the world. Your unsubstantiated leap to football is rejected but I'm happy to hear you explain how I'm wrong on the merits of my argument where ever you are ready. Nice try though.

Ball control and mastery, IQ, Decision-making, tactical knowledge, reading the game with anticipation, passing, vision are just some of the things that come before running speed and jumping ability for the best soccer players

The ignorant amateurs think speed in soccer is same as track and field.
It's speed of thought and execution, not flat out running.

Johan Cruyff said it best, he was faster in his mind thinking of the next move before his opponent.

I don't recall any reference to jumping but if it you believe it strengthens your argument, fine.

I would say the you are outlining prerequisites and I'm identifying differentiators. Cryuff STOPPED playing 50 years ago! I'm no expert on his athleticism but today's stars are all super athletes.

Please list all the objective measurable elements of a "super athlete" so we can all be on the same page.

Then tell us how all the current professional players meet this criteria.

I'm curious about the answers to this too to see how far or near my DS is

D1 / PRO MINIMUM ATHLETIC BENCHMARKS (BY POSITION)
🪽 WINGERS / FULLBACKS (Highest demand)
0–10m Acceleration: ≤ 1.70 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 32 km/h (20 mph)
5-10-5 Agility: ≤ 4.35 sec
Repeat Sprint Drop-off: ≤ 7%
Endurance (Yo-Yo): ≥ 2200m
(Test: Yo-Yo Intermittent Recovery Test Level 1)
👉 If you’re under these, it’s very hard to survive wide.
🎯 CENTER MIDFIELDERS (Engine + Agility)
0–10m Acceleration: ≤ 1.75 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 30–31 km/h
5-10-5 Agility: ≤ 4.40 sec
Repeat Sprint Drop-off: ≤ 6% (very important)
Endurance (Yo-Yo): ≥ 2300–2500m
👉 You don’t need elite speed—but you must cover ground and turn efficiently.
🛡️ CENTER BACKS (Power + Positioning)
0–10m Acceleration: ≤ 1.80 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 30 km/h
5-10-5 Agility: ≤ 4.50 sec
Vertical Jump: ≥ 26–30 inches
Strength: ≥ 1.8× bodyweight squat
👉 You can be slightly slower—but not slow enough to get exposed in space.
⚽ STRIKERS (Varies by type)
Speed-Based Striker
0–10m: ≤ 1.70 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 32 km/h
Agility: ≤ 4.35 sec
Hold-Up / Technical Striker
0–10m: ≤ 1.80 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 29–30 km/h
Strength: High (duels, shielding)
👉 You can lack speed if you bring elite finishing, positioning, or strength.

Overall
No major movement inefficiencies (poor decel, upright running, etc.)
⚠️ Important Reality
These are entry-level thresholds, not what pros actually average
Most D1/pro players are above these in multiple areas
Players below these must compensate with:
Elite technical ability
Elite decision-making
Or a standout trait

None of us in Europe do it this way lmao but I’ll gladly take the coach check here in America ($25k/team and I do 3). Then there’s “private training”

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Anonymous wrote:Don't expect much in HS soccer, no matter how good your kid is. 9th/10th grader playing high level ball doesn't translate into standout in HS because it's 100% speed and size. Now, when your young ecnl/mlsnext player is a 11/12 grader they will dominate because the size/speed thing isn't an issue anymore.

Don't invest time into guessing why my skilled freshman isn't playing, he's prob just not fast or big enough. Keep supporting their efforts!

This is true for most but if they can figure it out and adapt to the pace at a young age they are going to be special. If you think high school is a track meet, you should really go watch the college game all these mls next player/parents want there kid to play. It is very sloppy and looks more like a high school game with extreme pressing for 90 minutes. watch the UVA vs VT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMwYpCj2WqA

I was going to say. Isn't speed and athleticism where the game ultimately goes for all these players? We focus on skill, mind set and understanding of the game but aren't those prerequisites for what is ultimately a grueling physical sport determined by quickness, speed, power and toughness?

No

You obviously don't know what quality high level soccer is.

You just described tackle football and rugby

Huh? Educate me about what high level soccer is. Americans are the only people that believe soccer isn't about toughness, grit and yes, athleticism. Nobody plays "quality high level soccer" without those attributes.

Then explain how Spain won the World Cup if you need NFL Linebackers

Ha! This is a primitive attempt to shift the goal posts into an argument you can win. I simple said they have to be elite athletes where speed, quickness and athleticism ultimately reign supreme -- you know like, in the top leagues around the world. Your unsubstantiated leap to football is rejected but I'm happy to hear you explain how I'm wrong on the merits of my argument where ever you are ready. Nice try though.

Ball control and mastery, IQ, Decision-making, tactical knowledge, reading the game with anticipation, passing, vision are just some of the things that come before running speed and jumping ability for the best soccer players

The ignorant amateurs think speed in soccer is same as track and field.
It's speed of thought and execution, not flat out running.

Johan Cruyff said it best, he was faster in his mind thinking of the next move before his opponent.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't expect much in HS soccer, no matter how good your kid is. 9th/10th grader playing high level ball doesn't translate into standout in HS because it's 100% speed and size. Now, when your young ecnl/mlsnext player is a 11/12 grader they will dominate because the size/speed thing isn't an issue anymore.

Don't invest time into guessing why my skilled freshman isn't playing, he's prob just not fast or big enough. Keep supporting their efforts!

This is true for most but if they can figure it out and adapt to the pace at a young age they are going to be special. If you think high school is a track meet, you should really go watch the college game all these mls next player/parents want there kid to play. It is very sloppy and looks more like a high school game with extreme pressing for 90 minutes. watch the UVA vs VT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMwYpCj2WqA

I was going to say. Isn't speed and athleticism where the game ultimately goes for all these players? We focus on skill, mind set and understanding of the game but aren't those prerequisites for what is ultimately a grueling physical sport determined by quickness, speed, power and toughness?

No

You obviously don't know what quality high level soccer is.

You just described tackle football and rugby

Huh? Educate me about what high level soccer is. Americans are the only people that believe soccer isn't about toughness, grit and yes, athleticism. Nobody plays "quality high level soccer" without those attributes.

Then explain how Spain won the World Cup if you need NFL Linebackers

Ha! This is a primitive attempt to shift the goal posts into an argument you can win. I simple said they have to be elite athletes where speed, quickness and athleticism ultimately reign supreme -- you know like, in the top leagues around the world. Your unsubstantiated leap to football is rejected but I'm happy to hear you explain how I'm wrong on the merits of my argument where ever you are ready. Nice try though.

Ball control and mastery, IQ, Decision-making, tactical knowledge, reading the game with anticipation, passing, vision are just some of the things that come before running speed and jumping ability for the best soccer players

The ignorant amateurs think speed in soccer is same as track and field.
It's speed of thought and execution, not flat out running.

Johan Cruyff said it best, he was faster in his mind thinking of the next move before his opponent.

I don't recall any reference to jumping but if it you believe it strengthens your argument, fine.

I would say the you are outlining prerequisites and I'm identifying differentiators. Cryuff STOPPED playing 50 years ago! I'm no expert on his athleticism but today's stars are all super athletes.

Please list all the objective measurable elements of a "super athlete" so we can all be on the same page.

Then tell us how all the current professional players meet this criteria.

I'm curious about the answers to this too to see how far or near my DS is

D1 / PRO MINIMUM ATHLETIC BENCHMARKS (BY POSITION)
🪽 WINGERS / FULLBACKS (Highest demand)
0–10m Acceleration: ≤ 1.70 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 32 km/h (20 mph)
5-10-5 Agility: ≤ 4.35 sec
Repeat Sprint Drop-off: ≤ 7%
Endurance (Yo-Yo): ≥ 2200m
(Test: Yo-Yo Intermittent Recovery Test Level 1)
👉 If you’re under these, it’s very hard to survive wide.
🎯 CENTER MIDFIELDERS (Engine + Agility)
0–10m Acceleration: ≤ 1.75 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 30–31 km/h
5-10-5 Agility: ≤ 4.40 sec
Repeat Sprint Drop-off: ≤ 6% (very important)
Endurance (Yo-Yo): ≥ 2300–2500m
👉 You don’t need elite speed—but you must cover ground and turn efficiently.
🛡️ CENTER BACKS (Power + Positioning)
0–10m Acceleration: ≤ 1.80 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 30 km/h
5-10-5 Agility: ≤ 4.50 sec
Vertical Jump: ≥ 26–30 inches
Strength: ≥ 1.8× bodyweight squat
👉 You can be slightly slower—but not slow enough to get exposed in space.
⚽ STRIKERS (Varies by type)
Speed-Based Striker
0–10m: ≤ 1.70 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 32 km/h
Agility: ≤ 4.35 sec
Hold-Up / Technical Striker
0–10m: ≤ 1.80 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 29–30 km/h
Strength: High (duels, shielding)
👉 You can lack speed if you bring elite finishing, positioning, or strength.

Overall
No major movement inefficiencies (poor decel, upright running, etc.)
⚠️ Important Reality
These are entry-level thresholds, not what pros actually average
Most D1/pro players are above these in multiple areas
Players below these must compensate with:
Elite technical ability
Elite decision-making
Or a standout trait

Comedy at it's best

No wonder we can't produce world class players

Your argument about Spain is laughable as well. They haven’t won a World Cup since 2010 because they haven’t had any top tier athletes which is needed to score. Even looking at their 2010 run they didn’t score goals. Averaged probably like 1.2 goals a game. However they did have elite athletes defensively which made their defense so strong. There is a very high skill attributes needed no doubt but what separates you at the highest level from other pros is usually athletic ability.

Spain are the current European champions and Argentina are the current world champions

Neither are known for super athletes

You need to go to the ECNL thread and argue about SY vs GY and stop pretending to know soccer

I went through all of the starters on Argentina’s World Cup starting 11 and every single one of them max speed recorded in game was higher than the previous posters criteria of over 30km/h. Yes they are not considered the fastest squad but all of these guys are very fast. Less than 1-2% of the population would be able to get this speed. Which already knocks out 90-95% of male athletes.

Shocker!
Top professional and international soccer players are athletic

Athleticism is obviously a part of the game, but if athleticism was the most important the US would have several world cup trophies

Yes sure it’s not everything but if I went to a top mls next team they are only going to have 2-3 players that are even athletic enough to play professional soccer even in MLS. Even the slow players are insanely fast. And these MLS next coaches and organizations making these promises are lying to parents. 30-40% of the MLS next kids don’t play any college and many can’t even see the field on a division 3 team and quit after a year or two. Let them enjoy themselves and be great in high school soccer and have those memories for a lifetime. Putting all that hard work and time and never being something other than an average player on your club team is so sad

Why is playing HS soccer memories bigger and better memories than the MLS Next memories of playing in Florida right now at GA Cup against International academies while spending over a week bonding with teammates and meeting the best players from all over the country?

Well the same reason your child’s best friends are the ones they are at school with. And the best memories you have in life are the based on the people you spend them with. If you best memories are strictly based on where you go or how special you think you are going to Florida. Then I feel sorry for you and your family.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't expect much in HS soccer, no matter how good your kid is. 9th/10th grader playing high level ball doesn't translate into standout in HS because it's 100% speed and size. Now, when your young ecnl/mlsnext player is a 11/12 grader they will dominate because the size/speed thing isn't an issue anymore.

Don't invest time into guessing why my skilled freshman isn't playing, he's prob just not fast or big enough. Keep supporting their efforts!

This is true for most but if they can figure it out and adapt to the pace at a young age they are going to be special. If you think high school is a track meet, you should really go watch the college game all these mls next player/parents want there kid to play. It is very sloppy and looks more like a high school game with extreme pressing for 90 minutes. watch the UVA vs VT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMwYpCj2WqA

I was going to say. Isn't speed and athleticism where the game ultimately goes for all these players? We focus on skill, mind set and understanding of the game but aren't those prerequisites for what is ultimately a grueling physical sport determined by quickness, speed, power and toughness?

No

You obviously don't know what quality high level soccer is.

You just described tackle football and rugby

Huh? Educate me about what high level soccer is. Americans are the only people that believe soccer isn't about toughness, grit and yes, athleticism. Nobody plays "quality high level soccer" without those attributes.

Then explain how Spain won the World Cup if you need NFL Linebackers

Ha! This is a primitive attempt to shift the goal posts into an argument you can win. I simple said they have to be elite athletes where speed, quickness and athleticism ultimately reign supreme -- you know like, in the top leagues around the world. Your unsubstantiated leap to football is rejected but I'm happy to hear you explain how I'm wrong on the merits of my argument where ever you are ready. Nice try though.

Ball control and mastery, IQ, Decision-making, tactical knowledge, reading the game with anticipation, passing, vision are just some of the things that come before running speed and jumping ability for the best soccer players

The ignorant amateurs think speed in soccer is same as track and field.
It's speed of thought and execution, not flat out running.

Johan Cruyff said it best, he was faster in his mind thinking of the next move before his opponent.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't expect much in HS soccer, no matter how good your kid is. 9th/10th grader playing high level ball doesn't translate into standout in HS because it's 100% speed and size. Now, when your young ecnl/mlsnext player is a 11/12 grader they will dominate because the size/speed thing isn't an issue anymore.

Don't invest time into guessing why my skilled freshman isn't playing, he's prob just not fast or big enough. Keep supporting their efforts!

This is true for most but if they can figure it out and adapt to the pace at a young age they are going to be special. If you think high school is a track meet, you should really go watch the college game all these mls next player/parents want there kid to play. It is very sloppy and looks more like a high school game with extreme pressing for 90 minutes. watch the UVA vs VT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMwYpCj2WqA

I was going to say. Isn't speed and athleticism where the game ultimately goes for all these players? We focus on skill, mind set and understanding of the game but aren't those prerequisites for what is ultimately a grueling physical sport determined by quickness, speed, power and toughness?

No

You obviously don't know what quality high level soccer is.

You just described tackle football and rugby

Huh? Educate me about what high level soccer is. Americans are the only people that believe soccer isn't about toughness, grit and yes, athleticism. Nobody plays "quality high level soccer" without those attributes.

Then explain how Spain won the World Cup if you need NFL Linebackers

Ha! This is a primitive attempt to shift the goal posts into an argument you can win. I simple said they have to be elite athletes where speed, quickness and athleticism ultimately reign supreme -- you know like, in the top leagues around the world. Your unsubstantiated leap to football is rejected but I'm happy to hear you explain how I'm wrong on the merits of my argument where ever you are ready. Nice try though.

Ball control and mastery, IQ, Decision-making, tactical knowledge, reading the game with anticipation, passing, vision are just some of the things that come before running speed and jumping ability for the best soccer players

The ignorant amateurs think speed in soccer is same as track and field.
It's speed of thought and execution, not flat out running.

Johan Cruyff said it best, he was faster in his mind thinking of the next move before his opponent.

I don't recall any reference to jumping but if it you believe it strengthens your argument, fine.

I would say the you are outlining prerequisites and I'm identifying differentiators. Cryuff STOPPED playing 50 years ago! I'm no expert on his athleticism but today's stars are all super athletes.

Please list all the objective measurable elements of a "super athlete" so we can all be on the same page.

Then tell us how all the current professional players meet this criteria.

I'm curious about the answers to this too to see how far or near my DS is

D1 / PRO MINIMUM ATHLETIC BENCHMARKS (BY POSITION)
🪽 WINGERS / FULLBACKS (Highest demand)
0–10m Acceleration: ≤ 1.70 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 32 km/h (20 mph)
5-10-5 Agility: ≤ 4.35 sec
Repeat Sprint Drop-off: ≤ 7%
Endurance (Yo-Yo): ≥ 2200m
(Test: Yo-Yo Intermittent Recovery Test Level 1)
👉 If you’re under these, it’s very hard to survive wide.
🎯 CENTER MIDFIELDERS (Engine + Agility)
0–10m Acceleration: ≤ 1.75 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 30–31 km/h
5-10-5 Agility: ≤ 4.40 sec
Repeat Sprint Drop-off: ≤ 6% (very important)
Endurance (Yo-Yo): ≥ 2300–2500m
👉 You don’t need elite speed—but you must cover ground and turn efficiently.
🛡️ CENTER BACKS (Power + Positioning)
0–10m Acceleration: ≤ 1.80 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 30 km/h
5-10-5 Agility: ≤ 4.50 sec
Vertical Jump: ≥ 26–30 inches
Strength: ≥ 1.8× bodyweight squat
👉 You can be slightly slower—but not slow enough to get exposed in space.
⚽ STRIKERS (Varies by type)
Speed-Based Striker
0–10m: ≤ 1.70 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 32 km/h
Agility: ≤ 4.35 sec
Hold-Up / Technical Striker
0–10m: ≤ 1.80 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 29–30 km/h
Strength: High (duels, shielding)
👉 You can lack speed if you bring elite finishing, positioning, or strength.

Overall
No major movement inefficiencies (poor decel, upright running, etc.)
⚠️ Important Reality
These are entry-level thresholds, not what pros actually average
Most D1/pro players are above these in multiple areas
Players below these must compensate with:
Elite technical ability
Elite decision-making
Or a standout trait

Comedy at it's best

No wonder we can't produce world class players

Your argument about Spain is laughable as well. They haven’t won a World Cup since 2010 because they haven’t had any top tier athletes which is needed to score. Even looking at their 2010 run they didn’t score goals. Averaged probably like 1.2 goals a game. However they did have elite athletes defensively which made their defense so strong. There is a very high skill attributes needed no doubt but what separates you at the highest level from other pros is usually athletic ability.

Spain are the current European champions and Argentina are the current world champions

Neither are known for super athletes

You need to go to the ECNL thread and argue about SY vs GY and stop pretending to know soccer

I went through all of the starters on Argentina’s World Cup starting 11 and every single one of them max speed recorded in game was higher than the previous posters criteria of over 30km/h. Yes they are not considered the fastest squad but all of these guys are very fast. Less than 1-2% of the population would be able to get this speed. Which already knocks out 90-95% of male athletes.

Shocker!
Top professional and international soccer players are athletic

Athleticism is obviously a part of the game, but if athleticism was the most important the US would have several world cup trophies

Yes sure it’s not everything but if I went to a top mls next team they are only going to have 2-3 players that are even athletic enough to play professional soccer even in MLS. Even the slow players are insanely fast. And these MLS next coaches and organizations making these promises are lying to parents. 30-40% of the MLS next kids don’t play any college and many can’t even see the field on a division 3 team and quit after a year or two. Let them enjoy themselves and be great in high school soccer and have those memories for a lifetime. Putting all that hard work and time and never being something other than an average player on your club team is so sad

Why is playing HS soccer memories bigger and better memories than the MLS Next memories of playing in Florida right now at GA Cup against International academies while spending over a week bonding with teammates and meeting the best players from all over the country?

IYKYK. I mean really- do we have to explain why playing with your high school friends in front of your high school classmates cheering you on is a whole different 'vibe' than traveling to florida and playing in front of parents/adults? Yes, that can be fun too- but its different all together But you already knew that...

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Anonymous wrote:Don't expect much in HS soccer, no matter how good your kid is. 9th/10th grader playing high level ball doesn't translate into standout in HS because it's 100% speed and size. Now, when your young ecnl/mlsnext player is a 11/12 grader they will dominate because the size/speed thing isn't an issue anymore.

Don't invest time into guessing why my skilled freshman isn't playing, he's prob just not fast or big enough. Keep supporting their efforts!

This is true for most but if they can figure it out and adapt to the pace at a young age they are going to be special. If you think high school is a track meet, you should really go watch the college game all these mls next player/parents want there kid to play. It is very sloppy and looks more like a high school game with extreme pressing for 90 minutes. watch the UVA vs VT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMwYpCj2WqA

I was going to say. Isn't speed and athleticism where the game ultimately goes for all these players? We focus on skill, mind set and understanding of the game but aren't those prerequisites for what is ultimately a grueling physical sport determined by quickness, speed, power and toughness?

No

You obviously don't know what quality high level soccer is.

You just described tackle football and rugby

Huh? Educate me about what high level soccer is. Americans are the only people that believe soccer isn't about toughness, grit and yes, athleticism. Nobody plays "quality high level soccer" without those attributes.

Then explain how Spain won the World Cup if you need NFL Linebackers

Ha! This is a primitive attempt to shift the goal posts into an argument you can win. I simple said they have to be elite athletes where speed, quickness and athleticism ultimately reign supreme -- you know like, in the top leagues around the world. Your unsubstantiated leap to football is rejected but I'm happy to hear you explain how I'm wrong on the merits of my argument where ever you are ready. Nice try though.

Ball control and mastery, IQ, Decision-making, tactical knowledge, reading the game with anticipation, passing, vision are just some of the things that come before running speed and jumping ability for the best soccer players

The ignorant amateurs think speed in soccer is same as track and field.
It's speed of thought and execution, not flat out running.

Johan Cruyff said it best, he was faster in his mind thinking of the next move before his opponent.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't expect much in HS soccer, no matter how good your kid is. 9th/10th grader playing high level ball doesn't translate into standout in HS because it's 100% speed and size. Now, when your young ecnl/mlsnext player is a 11/12 grader they will dominate because the size/speed thing isn't an issue anymore.

Don't invest time into guessing why my skilled freshman isn't playing, he's prob just not fast or big enough. Keep supporting their efforts!

This is true for most but if they can figure it out and adapt to the pace at a young age they are going to be special. If you think high school is a track meet, you should really go watch the college game all these mls next player/parents want there kid to play. It is very sloppy and looks more like a high school game with extreme pressing for 90 minutes. watch the UVA vs VT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMwYpCj2WqA

I was going to say. Isn't speed and athleticism where the game ultimately goes for all these players? We focus on skill, mind set and understanding of the game but aren't those prerequisites for what is ultimately a grueling physical sport determined by quickness, speed, power and toughness?

No

You obviously don't know what quality high level soccer is.

You just described tackle football and rugby

Huh? Educate me about what high level soccer is. Americans are the only people that believe soccer isn't about toughness, grit and yes, athleticism. Nobody plays "quality high level soccer" without those attributes.

Then explain how Spain won the World Cup if you need NFL Linebackers

Ha! This is a primitive attempt to shift the goal posts into an argument you can win. I simple said they have to be elite athletes where speed, quickness and athleticism ultimately reign supreme -- you know like, in the top leagues around the world. Your unsubstantiated leap to football is rejected but I'm happy to hear you explain how I'm wrong on the merits of my argument where ever you are ready. Nice try though.

Ball control and mastery, IQ, Decision-making, tactical knowledge, reading the game with anticipation, passing, vision are just some of the things that come before running speed and jumping ability for the best soccer players

The ignorant amateurs think speed in soccer is same as track and field.
It's speed of thought and execution, not flat out running.

Johan Cruyff said it best, he was faster in his mind thinking of the next move before his opponent.

I don't recall any reference to jumping but if it you believe it strengthens your argument, fine.

I would say the you are outlining prerequisites and I'm identifying differentiators. Cryuff STOPPED playing 50 years ago! I'm no expert on his athleticism but today's stars are all super athletes.

Please list all the objective measurable elements of a "super athlete" so we can all be on the same page.

Then tell us how all the current professional players meet this criteria.

I'm curious about the answers to this too to see how far or near my DS is

D1 / PRO MINIMUM ATHLETIC BENCHMARKS (BY POSITION)
🪽 WINGERS / FULLBACKS (Highest demand)
0–10m Acceleration: ≤ 1.70 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 32 km/h (20 mph)
5-10-5 Agility: ≤ 4.35 sec
Repeat Sprint Drop-off: ≤ 7%
Endurance (Yo-Yo): ≥ 2200m
(Test: Yo-Yo Intermittent Recovery Test Level 1)
👉 If you’re under these, it’s very hard to survive wide.
🎯 CENTER MIDFIELDERS (Engine + Agility)
0–10m Acceleration: ≤ 1.75 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 30–31 km/h
5-10-5 Agility: ≤ 4.40 sec
Repeat Sprint Drop-off: ≤ 6% (very important)
Endurance (Yo-Yo): ≥ 2300–2500m
👉 You don’t need elite speed—but you must cover ground and turn efficiently.
🛡️ CENTER BACKS (Power + Positioning)
0–10m Acceleration: ≤ 1.80 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 30 km/h
5-10-5 Agility: ≤ 4.50 sec
Vertical Jump: ≥ 26–30 inches
Strength: ≥ 1.8× bodyweight squat
👉 You can be slightly slower—but not slow enough to get exposed in space.
⚽ STRIKERS (Varies by type)
Speed-Based Striker
0–10m: ≤ 1.70 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 32 km/h
Agility: ≤ 4.35 sec
Hold-Up / Technical Striker
0–10m: ≤ 1.80 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 29–30 km/h
Strength: High (duels, shielding)
👉 You can lack speed if you bring elite finishing, positioning, or strength.

Overall
No major movement inefficiencies (poor decel, upright running, etc.)
⚠️ Important Reality
These are entry-level thresholds, not what pros actually average
Most D1/pro players are above these in multiple areas
Players below these must compensate with:
Elite technical ability
Elite decision-making
Or a standout trait

Comedy at it's best

No wonder we can't produce world class players

Your argument about Spain is laughable as well. They haven’t won a World Cup since 2010 because they haven’t had any top tier athletes which is needed to score. Even looking at their 2010 run they didn’t score goals. Averaged probably like 1.2 goals a game. However they did have elite athletes defensively which made their defense so strong. There is a very high skill attributes needed no doubt but what separates you at the highest level from other pros is usually athletic ability.

Spain are the current European champions and Argentina are the current world champions

Neither are known for super athletes

You need to go to the ECNL thread and argue about SY vs GY and stop pretending to know soccer

I went through all of the starters on Argentina’s World Cup starting 11 and every single one of them max speed recorded in game was higher than the previous posters criteria of over 30km/h. Yes they are not considered the fastest squad but all of these guys are very fast. Less than 1-2% of the population would be able to get this speed. Which already knocks out 90-95% of male athletes.

Shocker!
Top professional and international soccer players are athletic

Athleticism is obviously a part of the game, but if athleticism was the most important the US would have several world cup trophies

Yes sure it’s not everything but if I went to a top mls next team they are only going to have 2-3 players that are even athletic enough to play professional soccer even in MLS. Even the slow players are insanely fast. And these MLS next coaches and organizations making these promises are lying to parents. 30-40% of the MLS next kids don’t play any college and many can’t even see the field on a division 3 team and quit after a year or two. Let them enjoy themselves and be great in high school soccer and have those memories for a lifetime. Putting all that hard work and time and never being something other than an average player on your club team is so sad

Yeah. The entire notion that top players don't have to be elite athletes is so absurd that I will just stop responding to this person. Johan Cryuff? It's 2026 not 1968.... at least for some of us. If your kid is slow as hell, just say that... smh

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Anonymous wrote:Don't expect much in HS soccer, no matter how good your kid is. 9th/10th grader playing high level ball doesn't translate into standout in HS because it's 100% speed and size. Now, when your young ecnl/mlsnext player is a 11/12 grader they will dominate because the size/speed thing isn't an issue anymore.

Don't invest time into guessing why my skilled freshman isn't playing, he's prob just not fast or big enough. Keep supporting their efforts!

This is true for most but if they can figure it out and adapt to the pace at a young age they are going to be special. If you think high school is a track meet, you should really go watch the college game all these mls next player/parents want there kid to play. It is very sloppy and looks more like a high school game with extreme pressing for 90 minutes. watch the UVA vs VT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMwYpCj2WqA

I was going to say. Isn't speed and athleticism where the game ultimately goes for all these players? We focus on skill, mind set and understanding of the game but aren't those prerequisites for what is ultimately a grueling physical sport determined by quickness, speed, power and toughness?

No

You obviously don't know what quality high level soccer is.

You just described tackle football and rugby

Huh? Educate me about what high level soccer is. Americans are the only people that believe soccer isn't about toughness, grit and yes, athleticism. Nobody plays "quality high level soccer" without those attributes.

Then explain how Spain won the World Cup if you need NFL Linebackers

Ha! This is a primitive attempt to shift the goal posts into an argument you can win. I simple said they have to be elite athletes where speed, quickness and athleticism ultimately reign supreme -- you know like, in the top leagues around the world. Your unsubstantiated leap to football is rejected but I'm happy to hear you explain how I'm wrong on the merits of my argument where ever you are ready. Nice try though.

Ball control and mastery, IQ, Decision-making, tactical knowledge, reading the game with anticipation, passing, vision are just some of the things that come before running speed and jumping ability for the best soccer players

The ignorant amateurs think speed in soccer is same as track and field.
It's speed of thought and execution, not flat out running.

Johan Cruyff said it best, he was faster in his mind thinking of the next move before his opponent.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't expect much in HS soccer, no matter how good your kid is. 9th/10th grader playing high level ball doesn't translate into standout in HS because it's 100% speed and size. Now, when your young ecnl/mlsnext player is a 11/12 grader they will dominate because the size/speed thing isn't an issue anymore.

Don't invest time into guessing why my skilled freshman isn't playing, he's prob just not fast or big enough. Keep supporting their efforts!

This is true for most but if they can figure it out and adapt to the pace at a young age they are going to be special. If you think high school is a track meet, you should really go watch the college game all these mls next player/parents want there kid to play. It is very sloppy and looks more like a high school game with extreme pressing for 90 minutes. watch the UVA vs VT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMwYpCj2WqA

I was going to say. Isn't speed and athleticism where the game ultimately goes for all these players? We focus on skill, mind set and understanding of the game but aren't those prerequisites for what is ultimately a grueling physical sport determined by quickness, speed, power and toughness?

No

You obviously don't know what quality high level soccer is.

You just described tackle football and rugby

Huh? Educate me about what high level soccer is. Americans are the only people that believe soccer isn't about toughness, grit and yes, athleticism. Nobody plays "quality high level soccer" without those attributes.

Then explain how Spain won the World Cup if you need NFL Linebackers

Ha! This is a primitive attempt to shift the goal posts into an argument you can win. I simple said they have to be elite athletes where speed, quickness and athleticism ultimately reign supreme -- you know like, in the top leagues around the world. Your unsubstantiated leap to football is rejected but I'm happy to hear you explain how I'm wrong on the merits of my argument where ever you are ready. Nice try though.

Ball control and mastery, IQ, Decision-making, tactical knowledge, reading the game with anticipation, passing, vision are just some of the things that come before running speed and jumping ability for the best soccer players

The ignorant amateurs think speed in soccer is same as track and field.
It's speed of thought and execution, not flat out running.

Johan Cruyff said it best, he was faster in his mind thinking of the next move before his opponent.

I don't recall any reference to jumping but if it you believe it strengthens your argument, fine.

I would say the you are outlining prerequisites and I'm identifying differentiators. Cryuff STOPPED playing 50 years ago! I'm no expert on his athleticism but today's stars are all super athletes.

Please list all the objective measurable elements of a "super athlete" so we can all be on the same page.

Then tell us how all the current professional players meet this criteria.

I'm curious about the answers to this too to see how far or near my DS is

D1 / PRO MINIMUM ATHLETIC BENCHMARKS (BY POSITION)
🪽 WINGERS / FULLBACKS (Highest demand)
0–10m Acceleration: ≤ 1.70 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 32 km/h (20 mph)
5-10-5 Agility: ≤ 4.35 sec
Repeat Sprint Drop-off: ≤ 7%
Endurance (Yo-Yo): ≥ 2200m
(Test: Yo-Yo Intermittent Recovery Test Level 1)
👉 If you’re under these, it’s very hard to survive wide.
🎯 CENTER MIDFIELDERS (Engine + Agility)
0–10m Acceleration: ≤ 1.75 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 30–31 km/h
5-10-5 Agility: ≤ 4.40 sec
Repeat Sprint Drop-off: ≤ 6% (very important)
Endurance (Yo-Yo): ≥ 2300–2500m
👉 You don’t need elite speed—but you must cover ground and turn efficiently.
🛡️ CENTER BACKS (Power + Positioning)
0–10m Acceleration: ≤ 1.80 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 30 km/h
5-10-5 Agility: ≤ 4.50 sec
Vertical Jump: ≥ 26–30 inches
Strength: ≥ 1.8× bodyweight squat
👉 You can be slightly slower—but not slow enough to get exposed in space.
⚽ STRIKERS (Varies by type)
Speed-Based Striker
0–10m: ≤ 1.70 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 32 km/h
Agility: ≤ 4.35 sec
Hold-Up / Technical Striker
0–10m: ≤ 1.80 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 29–30 km/h
Strength: High (duels, shielding)
👉 You can lack speed if you bring elite finishing, positioning, or strength.

Overall
No major movement inefficiencies (poor decel, upright running, etc.)
⚠️ Important Reality
These are entry-level thresholds, not what pros actually average
Most D1/pro players are above these in multiple areas
Players below these must compensate with:
Elite technical ability
Elite decision-making
Or a standout trait

Comedy at it's best

No wonder we can't produce world class players

Your argument about Spain is laughable as well. They haven’t won a World Cup since 2010 because they haven’t had any top tier athletes which is needed to score. Even looking at their 2010 run they didn’t score goals. Averaged probably like 1.2 goals a game. However they did have elite athletes defensively which made their defense so strong. There is a very high skill attributes needed no doubt but what separates you at the highest level from other pros is usually athletic ability.

Spain are the current European champions and Argentina are the current world champions

Neither are known for super athletes

You need to go to the ECNL thread and argue about SY vs GY and stop pretending to know soccer

I went through all of the starters on Argentina’s World Cup starting 11 and every single one of them max speed recorded in game was higher than the previous posters criteria of over 30km/h. Yes they are not considered the fastest squad but all of these guys are very fast. Less than 1-2% of the population would be able to get this speed. Which already knocks out 90-95% of male athletes.

Shocker!
Top professional and international soccer players are athletic

Athleticism is obviously a part of the game, but if athleticism was the most important the US would have several world cup trophies

Yes sure it’s not everything but if I went to a top mls next team they are only going to have 2-3 players that are even athletic enough to play professional soccer even in MLS. Even the slow players are insanely fast. And these MLS next coaches and organizations making these promises are lying to parents. 30-40% of the MLS next kids don’t play any college and many can’t even see the field on a division 3 team and quit after a year or two. Let them enjoy themselves and be great in high school soccer and have those memories for a lifetime. Putting all that hard work and time and never being something other than an average player on your club team is so sad

Why is playing HS soccer memories bigger and better memories than the MLS Next memories of playing in Florida right now at GA Cup against International academies while spending over a week bonding with teammates and meeting the best players from all over the country?

Well the same reason your child’s best friends are the ones they are at school with. And the best memories you have in life are the based on the people you spend them with. If you best memories are strictly based on where you go or how special you think you are going to Florida. Then I feel sorry for you and your family.

If your child's best friends are at school and neighborhood, then they will have 99% of their memories that don't include the few soccer games.

So you feel sorry for someone because they aren't trying to re-live HS through their kids? Shouldn't they feel sorry for you as well?

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Anonymous wrote:Don't expect much in HS soccer, no matter how good your kid is. 9th/10th grader playing high level ball doesn't translate into standout in HS because it's 100% speed and size. Now, when your young ecnl/mlsnext player is a 11/12 grader they will dominate because the size/speed thing isn't an issue anymore.

Don't invest time into guessing why my skilled freshman isn't playing, he's prob just not fast or big enough. Keep supporting their efforts!

This is true for most but if they can figure it out and adapt to the pace at a young age they are going to be special. If you think high school is a track meet, you should really go watch the college game all these mls next player/parents want there kid to play. It is very sloppy and looks more like a high school game with extreme pressing for 90 minutes. watch the UVA vs VT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMwYpCj2WqA

I was going to say. Isn't speed and athleticism where the game ultimately goes for all these players? We focus on skill, mind set and understanding of the game but aren't those prerequisites for what is ultimately a grueling physical sport determined by quickness, speed, power and toughness?

No

You obviously don't know what quality high level soccer is.

You just described tackle football and rugby

Huh? Educate me about what high level soccer is. Americans are the only people that believe soccer isn't about toughness, grit and yes, athleticism. Nobody plays "quality high level soccer" without those attributes.

Then explain how Spain won the World Cup if you need NFL Linebackers

Ha! This is a primitive attempt to shift the goal posts into an argument you can win. I simple said they have to be elite athletes where speed, quickness and athleticism ultimately reign supreme -- you know like, in the top leagues around the world. Your unsubstantiated leap to football is rejected but I'm happy to hear you explain how I'm wrong on the merits of my argument where ever you are ready. Nice try though.

Ball control and mastery, IQ, Decision-making, tactical knowledge, reading the game with anticipation, passing, vision are just some of the things that come before running speed and jumping ability for the best soccer players

The ignorant amateurs think speed in soccer is same as track and field.
It's speed of thought and execution, not flat out running.

Johan Cruyff said it best, he was faster in his mind thinking of the next move before his opponent.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't expect much in HS soccer, no matter how good your kid is. 9th/10th grader playing high level ball doesn't translate into standout in HS because it's 100% speed and size. Now, when your young ecnl/mlsnext player is a 11/12 grader they will dominate because the size/speed thing isn't an issue anymore.

Don't invest time into guessing why my skilled freshman isn't playing, he's prob just not fast or big enough. Keep supporting their efforts!

This is true for most but if they can figure it out and adapt to the pace at a young age they are going to be special. If you think high school is a track meet, you should really go watch the college game all these mls next player/parents want there kid to play. It is very sloppy and looks more like a high school game with extreme pressing for 90 minutes. watch the UVA vs VT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMwYpCj2WqA

I was going to say. Isn't speed and athleticism where the game ultimately goes for all these players? We focus on skill, mind set and understanding of the game but aren't those prerequisites for what is ultimately a grueling physical sport determined by quickness, speed, power and toughness?

No

You obviously don't know what quality high level soccer is.

You just described tackle football and rugby

Huh? Educate me about what high level soccer is. Americans are the only people that believe soccer isn't about toughness, grit and yes, athleticism. Nobody plays "quality high level soccer" without those attributes.

Then explain how Spain won the World Cup if you need NFL Linebackers

Ha! This is a primitive attempt to shift the goal posts into an argument you can win. I simple said they have to be elite athletes where speed, quickness and athleticism ultimately reign supreme -- you know like, in the top leagues around the world. Your unsubstantiated leap to football is rejected but I'm happy to hear you explain how I'm wrong on the merits of my argument where ever you are ready. Nice try though.

Ball control and mastery, IQ, Decision-making, tactical knowledge, reading the game with anticipation, passing, vision are just some of the things that come before running speed and jumping ability for the best soccer players

The ignorant amateurs think speed in soccer is same as track and field.
It's speed of thought and execution, not flat out running.

Johan Cruyff said it best, he was faster in his mind thinking of the next move before his opponent.

I don't recall any reference to jumping but if it you believe it strengthens your argument, fine.

I would say the you are outlining prerequisites and I'm identifying differentiators. Cryuff STOPPED playing 50 years ago! I'm no expert on his athleticism but today's stars are all super athletes.

Please list all the objective measurable elements of a "super athlete" so we can all be on the same page.

Then tell us how all the current professional players meet this criteria.

I'm curious about the answers to this too to see how far or near my DS is

D1 / PRO MINIMUM ATHLETIC BENCHMARKS (BY POSITION)
🪽 WINGERS / FULLBACKS (Highest demand)
0–10m Acceleration: ≤ 1.70 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 32 km/h (20 mph)
5-10-5 Agility: ≤ 4.35 sec
Repeat Sprint Drop-off: ≤ 7%
Endurance (Yo-Yo): ≥ 2200m
(Test: Yo-Yo Intermittent Recovery Test Level 1)
👉 If you’re under these, it’s very hard to survive wide.
🎯 CENTER MIDFIELDERS (Engine + Agility)
0–10m Acceleration: ≤ 1.75 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 30–31 km/h
5-10-5 Agility: ≤ 4.40 sec
Repeat Sprint Drop-off: ≤ 6% (very important)
Endurance (Yo-Yo): ≥ 2300–2500m
👉 You don’t need elite speed—but you must cover ground and turn efficiently.
🛡️ CENTER BACKS (Power + Positioning)
0–10m Acceleration: ≤ 1.80 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 30 km/h
5-10-5 Agility: ≤ 4.50 sec
Vertical Jump: ≥ 26–30 inches
Strength: ≥ 1.8× bodyweight squat
👉 You can be slightly slower—but not slow enough to get exposed in space.
⚽ STRIKERS (Varies by type)
Speed-Based Striker
0–10m: ≤ 1.70 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 32 km/h
Agility: ≤ 4.35 sec
Hold-Up / Technical Striker
0–10m: ≤ 1.80 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 29–30 km/h
Strength: High (duels, shielding)
👉 You can lack speed if you bring elite finishing, positioning, or strength.

Overall
No major movement inefficiencies (poor decel, upright running, etc.)
⚠️ Important Reality
These are entry-level thresholds, not what pros actually average
Most D1/pro players are above these in multiple areas
Players below these must compensate with:
Elite technical ability
Elite decision-making
Or a standout trait

Comedy at it's best

No wonder we can't produce world class players

Your argument about Spain is laughable as well. They haven’t won a World Cup since 2010 because they haven’t had any top tier athletes which is needed to score. Even looking at their 2010 run they didn’t score goals. Averaged probably like 1.2 goals a game. However they did have elite athletes defensively which made their defense so strong. There is a very high skill attributes needed no doubt but what separates you at the highest level from other pros is usually athletic ability.

Spain are the current European champions and Argentina are the current world champions

Neither are known for super athletes

You need to go to the ECNL thread and argue about SY vs GY and stop pretending to know soccer

I went through all of the starters on Argentina’s World Cup starting 11 and every single one of them max speed recorded in game was higher than the previous posters criteria of over 30km/h. Yes they are not considered the fastest squad but all of these guys are very fast. Less than 1-2% of the population would be able to get this speed. Which already knocks out 90-95% of male athletes.

Shocker!
Top professional and international soccer players are athletic

Athleticism is obviously a part of the game, but if athleticism was the most important the US would have several world cup trophies

Yes sure it’s not everything but if I went to a top mls next team they are only going to have 2-3 players that are even athletic enough to play professional soccer even in MLS. Even the slow players are insanely fast. And these MLS next coaches and organizations making these promises are lying to parents. 30-40% of the MLS next kids don’t play any college and many can’t even see the field on a division 3 team and quit after a year or two. Let them enjoy themselves and be great in high school soccer and have those memories for a lifetime. Putting all that hard work and time and never being something other than an average player on your club team is so sad

Yeah. The entire notion that top players don't have to be elite athletes is so absurd that I will just stop responding to this person. Johan Cryuff? It's 2026 not 1968.... at least for some of us. If your kid is slow as hell, just say that... smh

What is an elite athlete?

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Anonymous wrote:Don't expect much in HS soccer, no matter how good your kid is. 9th/10th grader playing high level ball doesn't translate into standout in HS because it's 100% speed and size. Now, when your young ecnl/mlsnext player is a 11/12 grader they will dominate because the size/speed thing isn't an issue anymore.

Don't invest time into guessing why my skilled freshman isn't playing, he's prob just not fast or big enough. Keep supporting their efforts!

This is true for most but if they can figure it out and adapt to the pace at a young age they are going to be special. If you think high school is a track meet, you should really go watch the college game all these mls next player/parents want there kid to play. It is very sloppy and looks more like a high school game with extreme pressing for 90 minutes. watch the UVA vs VT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMwYpCj2WqA

I was going to say. Isn't speed and athleticism where the game ultimately goes for all these players? We focus on skill, mind set and understanding of the game but aren't those prerequisites for what is ultimately a grueling physical sport determined by quickness, speed, power and toughness?

No

You obviously don't know what quality high level soccer is.

You just described tackle football and rugby

Huh? Educate me about what high level soccer is. Americans are the only people that believe soccer isn't about toughness, grit and yes, athleticism. Nobody plays "quality high level soccer" without those attributes.

Then explain how Spain won the World Cup if you need NFL Linebackers

Ha! This is a primitive attempt to shift the goal posts into an argument you can win. I simple said they have to be elite athletes where speed, quickness and athleticism ultimately reign supreme -- you know like, in the top leagues around the world. Your unsubstantiated leap to football is rejected but I'm happy to hear you explain how I'm wrong on the merits of my argument where ever you are ready. Nice try though.

Ball control and mastery, IQ, Decision-making, tactical knowledge, reading the game with anticipation, passing, vision are just some of the things that come before running speed and jumping ability for the best soccer players

The ignorant amateurs think speed in soccer is same as track and field.
It's speed of thought and execution, not flat out running.

Johan Cruyff said it best, he was faster in his mind thinking of the next move before his opponent.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't expect much in HS soccer, no matter how good your kid is. 9th/10th grader playing high level ball doesn't translate into standout in HS because it's 100% speed and size. Now, when your young ecnl/mlsnext player is a 11/12 grader they will dominate because the size/speed thing isn't an issue anymore.

Don't invest time into guessing why my skilled freshman isn't playing, he's prob just not fast or big enough. Keep supporting their efforts!

This is true for most but if they can figure it out and adapt to the pace at a young age they are going to be special. If you think high school is a track meet, you should really go watch the college game all these mls next player/parents want there kid to play. It is very sloppy and looks more like a high school game with extreme pressing for 90 minutes. watch the UVA vs VT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMwYpCj2WqA

I was going to say. Isn't speed and athleticism where the game ultimately goes for all these players? We focus on skill, mind set and understanding of the game but aren't those prerequisites for what is ultimately a grueling physical sport determined by quickness, speed, power and toughness?

No

You obviously don't know what quality high level soccer is.

You just described tackle football and rugby

Huh? Educate me about what high level soccer is. Americans are the only people that believe soccer isn't about toughness, grit and yes, athleticism. Nobody plays "quality high level soccer" without those attributes.

Then explain how Spain won the World Cup if you need NFL Linebackers

Ha! This is a primitive attempt to shift the goal posts into an argument you can win. I simple said they have to be elite athletes where speed, quickness and athleticism ultimately reign supreme -- you know like, in the top leagues around the world. Your unsubstantiated leap to football is rejected but I'm happy to hear you explain how I'm wrong on the merits of my argument where ever you are ready. Nice try though.

Ball control and mastery, IQ, Decision-making, tactical knowledge, reading the game with anticipation, passing, vision are just some of the things that come before running speed and jumping ability for the best soccer players

The ignorant amateurs think speed in soccer is same as track and field.
It's speed of thought and execution, not flat out running.

Johan Cruyff said it best, he was faster in his mind thinking of the next move before his opponent.

I don't recall any reference to jumping but if it you believe it strengthens your argument, fine.

I would say the you are outlining prerequisites and I'm identifying differentiators. Cryuff STOPPED playing 50 years ago! I'm no expert on his athleticism but today's stars are all super athletes.

Please list all the objective measurable elements of a "super athlete" so we can all be on the same page.

Then tell us how all the current professional players meet this criteria.

I'm curious about the answers to this too to see how far or near my DS is

D1 / PRO MINIMUM ATHLETIC BENCHMARKS (BY POSITION)
🪽 WINGERS / FULLBACKS (Highest demand)
0–10m Acceleration: ≤ 1.70 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 32 km/h (20 mph)
5-10-5 Agility: ≤ 4.35 sec
Repeat Sprint Drop-off: ≤ 7%
Endurance (Yo-Yo): ≥ 2200m
(Test: Yo-Yo Intermittent Recovery Test Level 1)
👉 If you’re under these, it’s very hard to survive wide.
🎯 CENTER MIDFIELDERS (Engine + Agility)
0–10m Acceleration: ≤ 1.75 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 30–31 km/h
5-10-5 Agility: ≤ 4.40 sec
Repeat Sprint Drop-off: ≤ 6% (very important)
Endurance (Yo-Yo): ≥ 2300–2500m
👉 You don’t need elite speed—but you must cover ground and turn efficiently.
🛡️ CENTER BACKS (Power + Positioning)
0–10m Acceleration: ≤ 1.80 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 30 km/h
5-10-5 Agility: ≤ 4.50 sec
Vertical Jump: ≥ 26–30 inches
Strength: ≥ 1.8× bodyweight squat
👉 You can be slightly slower—but not slow enough to get exposed in space.
⚽ STRIKERS (Varies by type)
Speed-Based Striker
0–10m: ≤ 1.70 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 32 km/h
Agility: ≤ 4.35 sec
Hold-Up / Technical Striker
0–10m: ≤ 1.80 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 29–30 km/h
Strength: High (duels, shielding)
👉 You can lack speed if you bring elite finishing, positioning, or strength.

Overall
No major movement inefficiencies (poor decel, upright running, etc.)
⚠️ Important Reality
These are entry-level thresholds, not what pros actually average
Most D1/pro players are above these in multiple areas
Players below these must compensate with:
Elite technical ability
Elite decision-making
Or a standout trait

Comedy at it's best

No wonder we can't produce world class players

Your argument about Spain is laughable as well. They haven’t won a World Cup since 2010 because they haven’t had any top tier athletes which is needed to score. Even looking at their 2010 run they didn’t score goals. Averaged probably like 1.2 goals a game. However they did have elite athletes defensively which made their defense so strong. There is a very high skill attributes needed no doubt but what separates you at the highest level from other pros is usually athletic ability.

Spain are the current European champions and Argentina are the current world champions

Neither are known for super athletes

You need to go to the ECNL thread and argue about SY vs GY and stop pretending to know soccer

I went through all of the starters on Argentina’s World Cup starting 11 and every single one of them max speed recorded in game was higher than the previous posters criteria of over 30km/h. Yes they are not considered the fastest squad but all of these guys are very fast. Less than 1-2% of the population would be able to get this speed. Which already knocks out 90-95% of male athletes.

Shocker!
Top professional and international soccer players are athletic

Athleticism is obviously a part of the game, but if athleticism was the most important the US would have several world cup trophies

Yes sure it’s not everything but if I went to a top mls next team they are only going to have 2-3 players that are even athletic enough to play professional soccer even in MLS. Even the slow players are insanely fast. And these MLS next coaches and organizations making these promises are lying to parents. 30-40% of the MLS next kids don’t play any college and many can’t even see the field on a division 3 team and quit after a year or two. Let them enjoy themselves and be great in high school soccer and have those memories for a lifetime. Putting all that hard work and time and never being something other than an average player on your club team is so sad

Why is playing HS soccer memories bigger and better memories than the MLS Next memories of playing in Florida right now at GA Cup against International academies while spending over a week bonding with teammates and meeting the best players from all over the country?

IYKYK. I mean really- do we have to explain why playing with your high school friends in front of your high school classmates cheering you on is a whole different 'vibe' than traveling to florida and playing in front of parents/adults? Yes, that can be fun too- but its different all together But you already knew that...

100% sure the vibes at GA Cup playing against Bayern Munich or Manchester United or Barcelona with the stands full beats the 30 people watching Wheaton play Churchill on a Tuesday at 6pm

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Anonymous wrote:Don't expect much in HS soccer, no matter how good your kid is. 9th/10th grader playing high level ball doesn't translate into standout in HS because it's 100% speed and size. Now, when your young ecnl/mlsnext player is a 11/12 grader they will dominate because the size/speed thing isn't an issue anymore.

Don't invest time into guessing why my skilled freshman isn't playing, he's prob just not fast or big enough. Keep supporting their efforts!

This is true for most but if they can figure it out and adapt to the pace at a young age they are going to be special. If you think high school is a track meet, you should really go watch the college game all these mls next player/parents want there kid to play. It is very sloppy and looks more like a high school game with extreme pressing for 90 minutes. watch the UVA vs VT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMwYpCj2WqA

I was going to say. Isn't speed and athleticism where the game ultimately goes for all these players? We focus on skill, mind set and understanding of the game but aren't those prerequisites for what is ultimately a grueling physical sport determined by quickness, speed, power and toughness?

No

You obviously don't know what quality high level soccer is.

You just described tackle football and rugby

Huh? Educate me about what high level soccer is. Americans are the only people that believe soccer isn't about toughness, grit and yes, athleticism. Nobody plays "quality high level soccer" without those attributes.

Then explain how Spain won the World Cup if you need NFL Linebackers

Ha! This is a primitive attempt to shift the goal posts into an argument you can win. I simple said they have to be elite athletes where speed, quickness and athleticism ultimately reign supreme -- you know like, in the top leagues around the world. Your unsubstantiated leap to football is rejected but I'm happy to hear you explain how I'm wrong on the merits of my argument where ever you are ready. Nice try though.

Ball control and mastery, IQ, Decision-making, tactical knowledge, reading the game with anticipation, passing, vision are just some of the things that come before running speed and jumping ability for the best soccer players

The ignorant amateurs think speed in soccer is same as track and field.
It's speed of thought and execution, not flat out running.

Johan Cruyff said it best, he was faster in his mind thinking of the next move before his opponent.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't expect much in HS soccer, no matter how good your kid is. 9th/10th grader playing high level ball doesn't translate into standout in HS because it's 100% speed and size. Now, when your young ecnl/mlsnext player is a 11/12 grader they will dominate because the size/speed thing isn't an issue anymore.

Don't invest time into guessing why my skilled freshman isn't playing, he's prob just not fast or big enough. Keep supporting their efforts!

This is true for most but if they can figure it out and adapt to the pace at a young age they are going to be special. If you think high school is a track meet, you should really go watch the college game all these mls next player/parents want there kid to play. It is very sloppy and looks more like a high school game with extreme pressing for 90 minutes. watch the UVA vs VT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMwYpCj2WqA

I was going to say. Isn't speed and athleticism where the game ultimately goes for all these players? We focus on skill, mind set and understanding of the game but aren't those prerequisites for what is ultimately a grueling physical sport determined by quickness, speed, power and toughness?

No

You obviously don't know what quality high level soccer is.

You just described tackle football and rugby

Huh? Educate me about what high level soccer is. Americans are the only people that believe soccer isn't about toughness, grit and yes, athleticism. Nobody plays "quality high level soccer" without those attributes.

Then explain how Spain won the World Cup if you need NFL Linebackers

Ha! This is a primitive attempt to shift the goal posts into an argument you can win. I simple said they have to be elite athletes where speed, quickness and athleticism ultimately reign supreme -- you know like, in the top leagues around the world. Your unsubstantiated leap to football is rejected but I'm happy to hear you explain how I'm wrong on the merits of my argument where ever you are ready. Nice try though.

Ball control and mastery, IQ, Decision-making, tactical knowledge, reading the game with anticipation, passing, vision are just some of the things that come before running speed and jumping ability for the best soccer players

The ignorant amateurs think speed in soccer is same as track and field.
It's speed of thought and execution, not flat out running.

Johan Cruyff said it best, he was faster in his mind thinking of the next move before his opponent.

I don't recall any reference to jumping but if it you believe it strengthens your argument, fine.

I would say the you are outlining prerequisites and I'm identifying differentiators. Cryuff STOPPED playing 50 years ago! I'm no expert on his athleticism but today's stars are all super athletes.

Please list all the objective measurable elements of a "super athlete" so we can all be on the same page.

Then tell us how all the current professional players meet this criteria.

I'm curious about the answers to this too to see how far or near my DS is

D1 / PRO MINIMUM ATHLETIC BENCHMARKS (BY POSITION)
🪽 WINGERS / FULLBACKS (Highest demand)
0–10m Acceleration: ≤ 1.70 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 32 km/h (20 mph)
5-10-5 Agility: ≤ 4.35 sec
Repeat Sprint Drop-off: ≤ 7%
Endurance (Yo-Yo): ≥ 2200m
(Test: Yo-Yo Intermittent Recovery Test Level 1)
👉 If you’re under these, it’s very hard to survive wide.
🎯 CENTER MIDFIELDERS (Engine + Agility)
0–10m Acceleration: ≤ 1.75 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 30–31 km/h
5-10-5 Agility: ≤ 4.40 sec
Repeat Sprint Drop-off: ≤ 6% (very important)
Endurance (Yo-Yo): ≥ 2300–2500m
👉 You don’t need elite speed—but you must cover ground and turn efficiently.
🛡️ CENTER BACKS (Power + Positioning)
0–10m Acceleration: ≤ 1.80 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 30 km/h
5-10-5 Agility: ≤ 4.50 sec
Vertical Jump: ≥ 26–30 inches
Strength: ≥ 1.8× bodyweight squat
👉 You can be slightly slower—but not slow enough to get exposed in space.
⚽ STRIKERS (Varies by type)
Speed-Based Striker
0–10m: ≤ 1.70 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 32 km/h
Agility: ≤ 4.35 sec
Hold-Up / Technical Striker
0–10m: ≤ 1.80 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 29–30 km/h
Strength: High (duels, shielding)
👉 You can lack speed if you bring elite finishing, positioning, or strength.

Overall
No major movement inefficiencies (poor decel, upright running, etc.)
⚠️ Important Reality
These are entry-level thresholds, not what pros actually average
Most D1/pro players are above these in multiple areas
Players below these must compensate with:
Elite technical ability
Elite decision-making
Or a standout trait

Comedy at it's best

No wonder we can't produce world class players

Your argument about Spain is laughable as well. They haven’t won a World Cup since 2010 because they haven’t had any top tier athletes which is needed to score. Even looking at their 2010 run they didn’t score goals. Averaged probably like 1.2 goals a game. However they did have elite athletes defensively which made their defense so strong. There is a very high skill attributes needed no doubt but what separates you at the highest level from other pros is usually athletic ability.

Spain are the current European champions and Argentina are the current world champions

Neither are known for super athletes

You need to go to the ECNL thread and argue about SY vs GY and stop pretending to know soccer

I went through all of the starters on Argentina’s World Cup starting 11 and every single one of them max speed recorded in game was higher than the previous posters criteria of over 30km/h. Yes they are not considered the fastest squad but all of these guys are very fast. Less than 1-2% of the population would be able to get this speed. Which already knocks out 90-95% of male athletes.

Shocker!
Top professional and international soccer players are athletic

Athleticism is obviously a part of the game, but if athleticism was the most important the US would have several world cup trophies

Yes sure it’s not everything but if I went to a top mls next team they are only going to have 2-3 players that are even athletic enough to play professional soccer even in MLS. Even the slow players are insanely fast. And these MLS next coaches and organizations making these promises are lying to parents. 30-40% of the MLS next kids don’t play any college and many can’t even see the field on a division 3 team and quit after a year or two. Let them enjoy themselves and be great in high school soccer and have those memories for a lifetime. Putting all that hard work and time and never being something other than an average player on your club team is so sad

Why is playing HS soccer memories bigger and better memories than the MLS Next memories of playing in Florida right now at GA Cup against International academies while spending over a week bonding with teammates and meeting the best players from all over the country?

IYKYK. I mean really- do we have to explain why playing with your high school friends in front of your high school classmates cheering you on is a whole different 'vibe' than traveling to florida and playing in front of parents/adults? Yes, that can be fun too- but its different all together But you already knew that...

100% sure the vibes at GA Cup playing against Bayern Munich or Manchester United or Barcelona with the stands full beats the 30 people watching Wheaton play Churchill on a Tuesday at 6pm

I would assume they have more than that but maybe MD hasn’t figured it out. I saw a regional soccer games with over 1000+ spectators last year

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Anonymous wrote:Don't expect much in HS soccer, no matter how good your kid is. 9th/10th grader playing high level ball doesn't translate into standout in HS because it's 100% speed and size. Now, when your young ecnl/mlsnext player is a 11/12 grader they will dominate because the size/speed thing isn't an issue anymore.

Don't invest time into guessing why my skilled freshman isn't playing, he's prob just not fast or big enough. Keep supporting their efforts!

This is true for most but if they can figure it out and adapt to the pace at a young age they are going to be special. If you think high school is a track meet, you should really go watch the college game all these mls next player/parents want there kid to play. It is very sloppy and looks more like a high school game with extreme pressing for 90 minutes. watch the UVA vs VT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMwYpCj2WqA

I was going to say. Isn't speed and athleticism where the game ultimately goes for all these players? We focus on skill, mind set and understanding of the game but aren't those prerequisites for what is ultimately a grueling physical sport determined by quickness, speed, power and toughness?

No

You obviously don't know what quality high level soccer is.

You just described tackle football and rugby

Huh? Educate me about what high level soccer is. Americans are the only people that believe soccer isn't about toughness, grit and yes, athleticism. Nobody plays "quality high level soccer" without those attributes.

Then explain how Spain won the World Cup if you need NFL Linebackers

Ha! This is a primitive attempt to shift the goal posts into an argument you can win. I simple said they have to be elite athletes where speed, quickness and athleticism ultimately reign supreme -- you know like, in the top leagues around the world. Your unsubstantiated leap to football is rejected but I'm happy to hear you explain how I'm wrong on the merits of my argument where ever you are ready. Nice try though.

Ball control and mastery, IQ, Decision-making, tactical knowledge, reading the game with anticipation, passing, vision are just some of the things that come before running speed and jumping ability for the best soccer players

The ignorant amateurs think speed in soccer is same as track and field.
It's speed of thought and execution, not flat out running.

Johan Cruyff said it best, he was faster in his mind thinking of the next move before his opponent.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't expect much in HS soccer, no matter how good your kid is. 9th/10th grader playing high level ball doesn't translate into standout in HS because it's 100% speed and size. Now, when your young ecnl/mlsnext player is a 11/12 grader they will dominate because the size/speed thing isn't an issue anymore.

Don't invest time into guessing why my skilled freshman isn't playing, he's prob just not fast or big enough. Keep supporting their efforts!

This is true for most but if they can figure it out and adapt to the pace at a young age they are going to be special. If you think high school is a track meet, you should really go watch the college game all these mls next player/parents want there kid to play. It is very sloppy and looks more like a high school game with extreme pressing for 90 minutes. watch the UVA vs VT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMwYpCj2WqA

I was going to say. Isn't speed and athleticism where the game ultimately goes for all these players? We focus on skill, mind set and understanding of the game but aren't those prerequisites for what is ultimately a grueling physical sport determined by quickness, speed, power and toughness?

No

You obviously don't know what quality high level soccer is.

You just described tackle football and rugby

Huh? Educate me about what high level soccer is. Americans are the only people that believe soccer isn't about toughness, grit and yes, athleticism. Nobody plays "quality high level soccer" without those attributes.

Then explain how Spain won the World Cup if you need NFL Linebackers

Ha! This is a primitive attempt to shift the goal posts into an argument you can win. I simple said they have to be elite athletes where speed, quickness and athleticism ultimately reign supreme -- you know like, in the top leagues around the world. Your unsubstantiated leap to football is rejected but I'm happy to hear you explain how I'm wrong on the merits of my argument where ever you are ready. Nice try though.

Ball control and mastery, IQ, Decision-making, tactical knowledge, reading the game with anticipation, passing, vision are just some of the things that come before running speed and jumping ability for the best soccer players

The ignorant amateurs think speed in soccer is same as track and field.
It's speed of thought and execution, not flat out running.

Johan Cruyff said it best, he was faster in his mind thinking of the next move before his opponent.

I don't recall any reference to jumping but if it you believe it strengthens your argument, fine.

I would say the you are outlining prerequisites and I'm identifying differentiators. Cryuff STOPPED playing 50 years ago! I'm no expert on his athleticism but today's stars are all super athletes.

Please list all the objective measurable elements of a "super athlete" so we can all be on the same page.

Then tell us how all the current professional players meet this criteria.

I'm curious about the answers to this too to see how far or near my DS is

D1 / PRO MINIMUM ATHLETIC BENCHMARKS (BY POSITION)
🪽 WINGERS / FULLBACKS (Highest demand)
0–10m Acceleration: ≤ 1.70 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 32 km/h (20 mph)
5-10-5 Agility: ≤ 4.35 sec
Repeat Sprint Drop-off: ≤ 7%
Endurance (Yo-Yo): ≥ 2200m
(Test: Yo-Yo Intermittent Recovery Test Level 1)
👉 If you’re under these, it’s very hard to survive wide.
🎯 CENTER MIDFIELDERS (Engine + Agility)
0–10m Acceleration: ≤ 1.75 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 30–31 km/h
5-10-5 Agility: ≤ 4.40 sec
Repeat Sprint Drop-off: ≤ 6% (very important)
Endurance (Yo-Yo): ≥ 2300–2500m
👉 You don’t need elite speed—but you must cover ground and turn efficiently.
🛡️ CENTER BACKS (Power + Positioning)
0–10m Acceleration: ≤ 1.80 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 30 km/h
5-10-5 Agility: ≤ 4.50 sec
Vertical Jump: ≥ 26–30 inches
Strength: ≥ 1.8× bodyweight squat
👉 You can be slightly slower—but not slow enough to get exposed in space.
⚽ STRIKERS (Varies by type)
Speed-Based Striker
0–10m: ≤ 1.70 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 32 km/h
Agility: ≤ 4.35 sec
Hold-Up / Technical Striker
0–10m: ≤ 1.80 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 29–30 km/h
Strength: High (duels, shielding)
👉 You can lack speed if you bring elite finishing, positioning, or strength.

Overall
No major movement inefficiencies (poor decel, upright running, etc.)
⚠️ Important Reality
These are entry-level thresholds, not what pros actually average
Most D1/pro players are above these in multiple areas
Players below these must compensate with:
Elite technical ability
Elite decision-making
Or a standout trait

Comedy at it's best

No wonder we can't produce world class players

Your argument about Spain is laughable as well. They haven’t won a World Cup since 2010 because they haven’t had any top tier athletes which is needed to score. Even looking at their 2010 run they didn’t score goals. Averaged probably like 1.2 goals a game. However they did have elite athletes defensively which made their defense so strong. There is a very high skill attributes needed no doubt but what separates you at the highest level from other pros is usually athletic ability.

Spain are the current European champions and Argentina are the current world champions

Neither are known for super athletes

You need to go to the ECNL thread and argue about SY vs GY and stop pretending to know soccer

I went through all of the starters on Argentina’s World Cup starting 11 and every single one of them max speed recorded in game was higher than the previous posters criteria of over 30km/h. Yes they are not considered the fastest squad but all of these guys are very fast. Less than 1-2% of the population would be able to get this speed. Which already knocks out 90-95% of male athletes.

Shocker!
Top professional and international soccer players are athletic

Athleticism is obviously a part of the game, but if athleticism was the most important the US would have several world cup trophies

Yes sure it’s not everything but if I went to a top mls next team they are only going to have 2-3 players that are even athletic enough to play professional soccer even in MLS. Even the slow players are insanely fast. And these MLS next coaches and organizations making these promises are lying to parents. 30-40% of the MLS next kids don’t play any college and many can’t even see the field on a division 3 team and quit after a year or two. Let them enjoy themselves and be great in high school soccer and have those memories for a lifetime. Putting all that hard work and time and never being something other than an average player on your club team is so sad

Why is playing HS soccer memories bigger and better memories than the MLS Next memories of playing in Florida right now at GA Cup against International academies while spending over a week bonding with teammates and meeting the best players from all over the country?

IYKYK. I mean really- do we have to explain why playing with your high school friends in front of your high school classmates cheering you on is a whole different 'vibe' than traveling to florida and playing in front of parents/adults? Yes, that can be fun too- but its different all together But you already knew that...

100% sure the vibes at GA Cup playing against Bayern Munich or Manchester United or Barcelona with the stands full beats the 30 people watching Wheaton play Churchill on a Tuesday at 6pm

I would assume they have more than that but maybe MD hasn’t figured it out. I saw a regional soccer games with over 1000+ spectators last year

Yeah we gonna need verification on that 🤣

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Anonymous wrote:Don't expect much in HS soccer, no matter how good your kid is. 9th/10th grader playing high level ball doesn't translate into standout in HS because it's 100% speed and size. Now, when your young ecnl/mlsnext player is a 11/12 grader they will dominate because the size/speed thing isn't an issue anymore.

Don't invest time into guessing why my skilled freshman isn't playing, he's prob just not fast or big enough. Keep supporting their efforts!

This is true for most but if they can figure it out and adapt to the pace at a young age they are going to be special. If you think high school is a track meet, you should really go watch the college game all these mls next player/parents want there kid to play. It is very sloppy and looks more like a high school game with extreme pressing for 90 minutes. watch the UVA vs VT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMwYpCj2WqA

I was going to say. Isn't speed and athleticism where the game ultimately goes for all these players? We focus on skill, mind set and understanding of the game but aren't those prerequisites for what is ultimately a grueling physical sport determined by quickness, speed, power and toughness?

No

You obviously don't know what quality high level soccer is.

You just described tackle football and rugby

Huh? Educate me about what high level soccer is. Americans are the only people that believe soccer isn't about toughness, grit and yes, athleticism. Nobody plays "quality high level soccer" without those attributes.

Then explain how Spain won the World Cup if you need NFL Linebackers

Ha! This is a primitive attempt to shift the goal posts into an argument you can win. I simple said they have to be elite athletes where speed, quickness and athleticism ultimately reign supreme -- you know like, in the top leagues around the world. Your unsubstantiated leap to football is rejected but I'm happy to hear you explain how I'm wrong on the merits of my argument where ever you are ready. Nice try though.

Ball control and mastery, IQ, Decision-making, tactical knowledge, reading the game with anticipation, passing, vision are just some of the things that come before running speed and jumping ability for the best soccer players

The ignorant amateurs think speed in soccer is same as track and field.
It's speed of thought and execution, not flat out running.

Johan Cruyff said it best, he was faster in his mind thinking of the next move before his opponent.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't expect much in HS soccer, no matter how good your kid is. 9th/10th grader playing high level ball doesn't translate into standout in HS because it's 100% speed and size. Now, when your young ecnl/mlsnext player is a 11/12 grader they will dominate because the size/speed thing isn't an issue anymore.

Don't invest time into guessing why my skilled freshman isn't playing, he's prob just not fast or big enough. Keep supporting their efforts!

This is true for most but if they can figure it out and adapt to the pace at a young age they are going to be special. If you think high school is a track meet, you should really go watch the college game all these mls next player/parents want there kid to play. It is very sloppy and looks more like a high school game with extreme pressing for 90 minutes. watch the UVA vs VT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMwYpCj2WqA

I was going to say. Isn't speed and athleticism where the game ultimately goes for all these players? We focus on skill, mind set and understanding of the game but aren't those prerequisites for what is ultimately a grueling physical sport determined by quickness, speed, power and toughness?

No

You obviously don't know what quality high level soccer is.

You just described tackle football and rugby

Huh? Educate me about what high level soccer is. Americans are the only people that believe soccer isn't about toughness, grit and yes, athleticism. Nobody plays "quality high level soccer" without those attributes.

Then explain how Spain won the World Cup if you need NFL Linebackers

Ha! This is a primitive attempt to shift the goal posts into an argument you can win. I simple said they have to be elite athletes where speed, quickness and athleticism ultimately reign supreme -- you know like, in the top leagues around the world. Your unsubstantiated leap to football is rejected but I'm happy to hear you explain how I'm wrong on the merits of my argument where ever you are ready. Nice try though.

Ball control and mastery, IQ, Decision-making, tactical knowledge, reading the game with anticipation, passing, vision are just some of the things that come before running speed and jumping ability for the best soccer players

The ignorant amateurs think speed in soccer is same as track and field.
It's speed of thought and execution, not flat out running.

Johan Cruyff said it best, he was faster in his mind thinking of the next move before his opponent.

I don't recall any reference to jumping but if it you believe it strengthens your argument, fine.

I would say the you are outlining prerequisites and I'm identifying differentiators. Cryuff STOPPED playing 50 years ago! I'm no expert on his athleticism but today's stars are all super athletes.

Please list all the objective measurable elements of a "super athlete" so we can all be on the same page.

Then tell us how all the current professional players meet this criteria.

I'm curious about the answers to this too to see how far or near my DS is

D1 / PRO MINIMUM ATHLETIC BENCHMARKS (BY POSITION)
🪽 WINGERS / FULLBACKS (Highest demand)
0–10m Acceleration: ≤ 1.70 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 32 km/h (20 mph)
5-10-5 Agility: ≤ 4.35 sec
Repeat Sprint Drop-off: ≤ 7%
Endurance (Yo-Yo): ≥ 2200m
(Test: Yo-Yo Intermittent Recovery Test Level 1)
👉 If you’re under these, it’s very hard to survive wide.
🎯 CENTER MIDFIELDERS (Engine + Agility)
0–10m Acceleration: ≤ 1.75 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 30–31 km/h
5-10-5 Agility: ≤ 4.40 sec
Repeat Sprint Drop-off: ≤ 6% (very important)
Endurance (Yo-Yo): ≥ 2300–2500m
👉 You don’t need elite speed—but you must cover ground and turn efficiently.
🛡️ CENTER BACKS (Power + Positioning)
0–10m Acceleration: ≤ 1.80 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 30 km/h
5-10-5 Agility: ≤ 4.50 sec
Vertical Jump: ≥ 26–30 inches
Strength: ≥ 1.8× bodyweight squat
👉 You can be slightly slower—but not slow enough to get exposed in space.
⚽ STRIKERS (Varies by type)
Speed-Based Striker
0–10m: ≤ 1.70 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 32 km/h
Agility: ≤ 4.35 sec
Hold-Up / Technical Striker
0–10m: ≤ 1.80 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 29–30 km/h
Strength: High (duels, shielding)
👉 You can lack speed if you bring elite finishing, positioning, or strength.

Overall
No major movement inefficiencies (poor decel, upright running, etc.)
⚠️ Important Reality
These are entry-level thresholds, not what pros actually average
Most D1/pro players are above these in multiple areas
Players below these must compensate with:
Elite technical ability
Elite decision-making
Or a standout trait

Comedy at it's best

No wonder we can't produce world class players

Your argument about Spain is laughable as well. They haven’t won a World Cup since 2010 because they haven’t had any top tier athletes which is needed to score. Even looking at their 2010 run they didn’t score goals. Averaged probably like 1.2 goals a game. However they did have elite athletes defensively which made their defense so strong. There is a very high skill attributes needed no doubt but what separates you at the highest level from other pros is usually athletic ability.

Spain are the current European champions and Argentina are the current world champions

Neither are known for super athletes

You need to go to the ECNL thread and argue about SY vs GY and stop pretending to know soccer

I went through all of the starters on Argentina’s World Cup starting 11 and every single one of them max speed recorded in game was higher than the previous posters criteria of over 30km/h. Yes they are not considered the fastest squad but all of these guys are very fast. Less than 1-2% of the population would be able to get this speed. Which already knocks out 90-95% of male athletes.

Shocker!
Top professional and international soccer players are athletic

Athleticism is obviously a part of the game, but if athleticism was the most important the US would have several world cup trophies

Yes sure it’s not everything but if I went to a top mls next team they are only going to have 2-3 players that are even athletic enough to play professional soccer even in MLS. Even the slow players are insanely fast. And these MLS next coaches and organizations making these promises are lying to parents. 30-40% of the MLS next kids don’t play any college and many can’t even see the field on a division 3 team and quit after a year or two. Let them enjoy themselves and be great in high school soccer and have those memories for a lifetime. Putting all that hard work and time and never being something other than an average player on your club team is so sad

Why is playing HS soccer memories bigger and better memories than the MLS Next memories of playing in Florida right now at GA Cup against International academies while spending over a week bonding with teammates and meeting the best players from all over the country?

IYKYK. I mean really- do we have to explain why playing with your high school friends in front of your high school classmates cheering you on is a whole different 'vibe' than traveling to florida and playing in front of parents/adults? Yes, that can be fun too- but its different all together But you already knew that...

100% sure the vibes at GA Cup playing against Bayern Munich or Manchester United or Barcelona with the stands full beats the 30 people watching Wheaton play Churchill on a Tuesday at 6pm

I would assume they have more than that but maybe MD hasn’t figured it out. I saw a regional soccer games with over 1000+ spectators last year

Yeah we gonna need verification on that 🤣

I would say this is incredibly rare but from the videos I have seen on instagram. I can confirm that any regional game between, Herndon, Westfield, and/or McLean is close to 1000 spectators. Our home football games can get up to 1500 and I would say those games were close to that. BTW for those that don’t know, Fairfax county and Loudoun have huge stadiums.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't expect much in HS soccer, no matter how good your kid is. 9th/10th grader playing high level ball doesn't translate into standout in HS because it's 100% speed and size. Now, when your young ecnl/mlsnext player is a 11/12 grader they will dominate because the size/speed thing isn't an issue anymore.

Don't invest time into guessing why my skilled freshman isn't playing, he's prob just not fast or big enough. Keep supporting their efforts!

This is true for most but if they can figure it out and adapt to the pace at a young age they are going to be special. If you think high school is a track meet, you should really go watch the college game all these mls next player/parents want there kid to play. It is very sloppy and looks more like a high school game with extreme pressing for 90 minutes. watch the UVA vs VT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMwYpCj2WqA

I was going to say. Isn't speed and athleticism where the game ultimately goes for all these players? We focus on skill, mind set and understanding of the game but aren't those prerequisites for what is ultimately a grueling physical sport determined by quickness, speed, power and toughness?

No

You obviously don't know what quality high level soccer is.

You just described tackle football and rugby

Huh? Educate me about what high level soccer is. Americans are the only people that believe soccer isn't about toughness, grit and yes, athleticism. Nobody plays "quality high level soccer" without those attributes.

Then explain how Spain won the World Cup if you need NFL Linebackers

Ha! This is a primitive attempt to shift the goal posts into an argument you can win. I simple said they have to be elite athletes where speed, quickness and athleticism ultimately reign supreme -- you know like, in the top leagues around the world. Your unsubstantiated leap to football is rejected but I'm happy to hear you explain how I'm wrong on the merits of my argument where ever you are ready. Nice try though.

Ball control and mastery, IQ, Decision-making, tactical knowledge, reading the game with anticipation, passing, vision are just some of the things that come before running speed and jumping ability for the best soccer players

The ignorant amateurs think speed in soccer is same as track and field.
It's speed of thought and execution, not flat out running.

Johan Cruyff said it best, he was faster in his mind thinking of the next move before his opponent.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't expect much in HS soccer, no matter how good your kid is. 9th/10th grader playing high level ball doesn't translate into standout in HS because it's 100% speed and size. Now, when your young ecnl/mlsnext player is a 11/12 grader they will dominate because the size/speed thing isn't an issue anymore.

Don't invest time into guessing why my skilled freshman isn't playing, he's prob just not fast or big enough. Keep supporting their efforts!

This is true for most but if they can figure it out and adapt to the pace at a young age they are going to be special. If you think high school is a track meet, you should really go watch the college game all these mls next player/parents want there kid to play. It is very sloppy and looks more like a high school game with extreme pressing for 90 minutes. watch the UVA vs VT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMwYpCj2WqA

I was going to say. Isn't speed and athleticism where the game ultimately goes for all these players? We focus on skill, mind set and understanding of the game but aren't those prerequisites for what is ultimately a grueling physical sport determined by quickness, speed, power and toughness?

No

You obviously don't know what quality high level soccer is.

You just described tackle football and rugby

Huh? Educate me about what high level soccer is. Americans are the only people that believe soccer isn't about toughness, grit and yes, athleticism. Nobody plays "quality high level soccer" without those attributes.

Then explain how Spain won the World Cup if you need NFL Linebackers

Ha! This is a primitive attempt to shift the goal posts into an argument you can win. I simple said they have to be elite athletes where speed, quickness and athleticism ultimately reign supreme -- you know like, in the top leagues around the world. Your unsubstantiated leap to football is rejected but I'm happy to hear you explain how I'm wrong on the merits of my argument where ever you are ready. Nice try though.

Ball control and mastery, IQ, Decision-making, tactical knowledge, reading the game with anticipation, passing, vision are just some of the things that come before running speed and jumping ability for the best soccer players

The ignorant amateurs think speed in soccer is same as track and field.
It's speed of thought and execution, not flat out running.

Johan Cruyff said it best, he was faster in his mind thinking of the next move before his opponent.

I don't recall any reference to jumping but if it you believe it strengthens your argument, fine.

I would say the you are outlining prerequisites and I'm identifying differentiators. Cryuff STOPPED playing 50 years ago! I'm no expert on his athleticism but today's stars are all super athletes.

Please list all the objective measurable elements of a "super athlete" so we can all be on the same page.

Then tell us how all the current professional players meet this criteria.

I'm curious about the answers to this too to see how far or near my DS is

D1 / PRO MINIMUM ATHLETIC BENCHMARKS (BY POSITION)
🪽 WINGERS / FULLBACKS (Highest demand)
0–10m Acceleration: ≤ 1.70 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 32 km/h (20 mph)
5-10-5 Agility: ≤ 4.35 sec
Repeat Sprint Drop-off: ≤ 7%
Endurance (Yo-Yo): ≥ 2200m
(Test: Yo-Yo Intermittent Recovery Test Level 1)
👉 If you’re under these, it’s very hard to survive wide.
🎯 CENTER MIDFIELDERS (Engine + Agility)
0–10m Acceleration: ≤ 1.75 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 30–31 km/h
5-10-5 Agility: ≤ 4.40 sec
Repeat Sprint Drop-off: ≤ 6% (very important)
Endurance (Yo-Yo): ≥ 2300–2500m
👉 You don’t need elite speed—but you must cover ground and turn efficiently.
🛡️ CENTER BACKS (Power + Positioning)
0–10m Acceleration: ≤ 1.80 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 30 km/h
5-10-5 Agility: ≤ 4.50 sec
Vertical Jump: ≥ 26–30 inches
Strength: ≥ 1.8× bodyweight squat
👉 You can be slightly slower—but not slow enough to get exposed in space.
⚽ STRIKERS (Varies by type)
Speed-Based Striker
0–10m: ≤ 1.70 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 32 km/h
Agility: ≤ 4.35 sec
Hold-Up / Technical Striker
0–10m: ≤ 1.80 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 29–30 km/h
Strength: High (duels, shielding)
👉 You can lack speed if you bring elite finishing, positioning, or strength.

Overall
No major movement inefficiencies (poor decel, upright running, etc.)
⚠️ Important Reality
These are entry-level thresholds, not what pros actually average
Most D1/pro players are above these in multiple areas
Players below these must compensate with:
Elite technical ability
Elite decision-making
Or a standout trait

Comedy at it's best

No wonder we can't produce world class players

Your argument about Spain is laughable as well. They haven’t won a World Cup since 2010 because they haven’t had any top tier athletes which is needed to score. Even looking at their 2010 run they didn’t score goals. Averaged probably like 1.2 goals a game. However they did have elite athletes defensively which made their defense so strong. There is a very high skill attributes needed no doubt but what separates you at the highest level from other pros is usually athletic ability.

Spain are the current European champions and Argentina are the current world champions

Neither are known for super athletes

You need to go to the ECNL thread and argue about SY vs GY and stop pretending to know soccer

I went through all of the starters on Argentina’s World Cup starting 11 and every single one of them max speed recorded in game was higher than the previous posters criteria of over 30km/h. Yes they are not considered the fastest squad but all of these guys are very fast. Less than 1-2% of the population would be able to get this speed. Which already knocks out 90-95% of male athletes.

Shocker!
Top professional and international soccer players are athletic

Athleticism is obviously a part of the game, but if athleticism was the most important the US would have several world cup trophies

Yes sure it’s not everything but if I went to a top mls next team they are only going to have 2-3 players that are even athletic enough to play professional soccer even in MLS. Even the slow players are insanely fast. And these MLS next coaches and organizations making these promises are lying to parents. 30-40% of the MLS next kids don’t play any college and many can’t even see the field on a division 3 team and quit after a year or two. Let them enjoy themselves and be great in high school soccer and have those memories for a lifetime. Putting all that hard work and time and never being something other than an average player on your club team is so sad

Why is playing HS soccer memories bigger and better memories than the MLS Next memories of playing in Florida right now at GA Cup against International academies while spending over a week bonding with teammates and meeting the best players from all over the country?

IYKYK. I mean really- do we have to explain why playing with your high school friends in front of your high school classmates cheering you on is a whole different 'vibe' than traveling to florida and playing in front of parents/adults? Yes, that can be fun too- but its different all together But you already knew that...

100% sure the vibes at GA Cup playing against Bayern Munich or Manchester United or Barcelona with the stands full beats the 30 people watching Wheaton play Churchill on a Tuesday at 6pm

Done both and it’s not high school atmosphere at night is far superior

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Anonymous wrote:Don't expect much in HS soccer, no matter how good your kid is. 9th/10th grader playing high level ball doesn't translate into standout in HS because it's 100% speed and size. Now, when your young ecnl/mlsnext player is a 11/12 grader they will dominate because the size/speed thing isn't an issue anymore.

Don't invest time into guessing why my skilled freshman isn't playing, he's prob just not fast or big enough. Keep supporting their efforts!

This is true for most but if they can figure it out and adapt to the pace at a young age they are going to be special. If you think high school is a track meet, you should really go watch the college game all these mls next player/parents want there kid to play. It is very sloppy and looks more like a high school game with extreme pressing for 90 minutes. watch the UVA vs VT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMwYpCj2WqA

I was going to say. Isn't speed and athleticism where the game ultimately goes for all these players? We focus on skill, mind set and understanding of the game but aren't those prerequisites for what is ultimately a grueling physical sport determined by quickness, speed, power and toughness?

No

You obviously don't know what quality high level soccer is.

You just described tackle football and rugby

Huh? Educate me about what high level soccer is. Americans are the only people that believe soccer isn't about toughness, grit and yes, athleticism. Nobody plays "quality high level soccer" without those attributes.

Then explain how Spain won the World Cup if you need NFL Linebackers

Ha! This is a primitive attempt to shift the goal posts into an argument you can win. I simple said they have to be elite athletes where speed, quickness and athleticism ultimately reign supreme -- you know like, in the top leagues around the world. Your unsubstantiated leap to football is rejected but I'm happy to hear you explain how I'm wrong on the merits of my argument where ever you are ready. Nice try though.

Ball control and mastery, IQ, Decision-making, tactical knowledge, reading the game with anticipation, passing, vision are just some of the things that come before running speed and jumping ability for the best soccer players

The ignorant amateurs think speed in soccer is same as track and field.
It's speed of thought and execution, not flat out running.

Johan Cruyff said it best, he was faster in his mind thinking of the next move before his opponent.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't expect much in HS soccer, no matter how good your kid is. 9th/10th grader playing high level ball doesn't translate into standout in HS because it's 100% speed and size. Now, when your young ecnl/mlsnext player is a 11/12 grader they will dominate because the size/speed thing isn't an issue anymore.

Don't invest time into guessing why my skilled freshman isn't playing, he's prob just not fast or big enough. Keep supporting their efforts!

This is true for most but if they can figure it out and adapt to the pace at a young age they are going to be special. If you think high school is a track meet, you should really go watch the college game all these mls next player/parents want there kid to play. It is very sloppy and looks more like a high school game with extreme pressing for 90 minutes. watch the UVA vs VT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMwYpCj2WqA

I was going to say. Isn't speed and athleticism where the game ultimately goes for all these players? We focus on skill, mind set and understanding of the game but aren't those prerequisites for what is ultimately a grueling physical sport determined by quickness, speed, power and toughness?

No

You obviously don't know what quality high level soccer is.

You just described tackle football and rugby

Huh? Educate me about what high level soccer is. Americans are the only people that believe soccer isn't about toughness, grit and yes, athleticism. Nobody plays "quality high level soccer" without those attributes.

Then explain how Spain won the World Cup if you need NFL Linebackers

Ha! This is a primitive attempt to shift the goal posts into an argument you can win. I simple said they have to be elite athletes where speed, quickness and athleticism ultimately reign supreme -- you know like, in the top leagues around the world. Your unsubstantiated leap to football is rejected but I'm happy to hear you explain how I'm wrong on the merits of my argument where ever you are ready. Nice try though.

Ball control and mastery, IQ, Decision-making, tactical knowledge, reading the game with anticipation, passing, vision are just some of the things that come before running speed and jumping ability for the best soccer players

The ignorant amateurs think speed in soccer is same as track and field.
It's speed of thought and execution, not flat out running.

Johan Cruyff said it best, he was faster in his mind thinking of the next move before his opponent.

I don't recall any reference to jumping but if it you believe it strengthens your argument, fine.

I would say the you are outlining prerequisites and I'm identifying differentiators. Cryuff STOPPED playing 50 years ago! I'm no expert on his athleticism but today's stars are all super athletes.

Please list all the objective measurable elements of a "super athlete" so we can all be on the same page.

Then tell us how all the current professional players meet this criteria.

I'm curious about the answers to this too to see how far or near my DS is

D1 / PRO MINIMUM ATHLETIC BENCHMARKS (BY POSITION)
🪽 WINGERS / FULLBACKS (Highest demand)
0–10m Acceleration: ≤ 1.70 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 32 km/h (20 mph)
5-10-5 Agility: ≤ 4.35 sec
Repeat Sprint Drop-off: ≤ 7%
Endurance (Yo-Yo): ≥ 2200m
(Test: Yo-Yo Intermittent Recovery Test Level 1)
👉 If you’re under these, it’s very hard to survive wide.
🎯 CENTER MIDFIELDERS (Engine + Agility)
0–10m Acceleration: ≤ 1.75 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 30–31 km/h
5-10-5 Agility: ≤ 4.40 sec
Repeat Sprint Drop-off: ≤ 6% (very important)
Endurance (Yo-Yo): ≥ 2300–2500m
👉 You don’t need elite speed—but you must cover ground and turn efficiently.
🛡️ CENTER BACKS (Power + Positioning)
0–10m Acceleration: ≤ 1.80 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 30 km/h
5-10-5 Agility: ≤ 4.50 sec
Vertical Jump: ≥ 26–30 inches
Strength: ≥ 1.8× bodyweight squat
👉 You can be slightly slower—but not slow enough to get exposed in space.
⚽ STRIKERS (Varies by type)
Speed-Based Striker
0–10m: ≤ 1.70 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 32 km/h
Agility: ≤ 4.35 sec
Hold-Up / Technical Striker
0–10m: ≤ 1.80 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 29–30 km/h
Strength: High (duels, shielding)
👉 You can lack speed if you bring elite finishing, positioning, or strength.

Overall
No major movement inefficiencies (poor decel, upright running, etc.)
⚠️ Important Reality
These are entry-level thresholds, not what pros actually average
Most D1/pro players are above these in multiple areas
Players below these must compensate with:
Elite technical ability
Elite decision-making
Or a standout trait

Comedy at it's best

No wonder we can't produce world class players

Your argument about Spain is laughable as well. They haven’t won a World Cup since 2010 because they haven’t had any top tier athletes which is needed to score. Even looking at their 2010 run they didn’t score goals. Averaged probably like 1.2 goals a game. However they did have elite athletes defensively which made their defense so strong. There is a very high skill attributes needed no doubt but what separates you at the highest level from other pros is usually athletic ability.

Spain are the current European champions and Argentina are the current world champions

Neither are known for super athletes

You need to go to the ECNL thread and argue about SY vs GY and stop pretending to know soccer

I went through all of the starters on Argentina’s World Cup starting 11 and every single one of them max speed recorded in game was higher than the previous posters criteria of over 30km/h. Yes they are not considered the fastest squad but all of these guys are very fast. Less than 1-2% of the population would be able to get this speed. Which already knocks out 90-95% of male athletes.

Shocker!
Top professional and international soccer players are athletic

Athleticism is obviously a part of the game, but if athleticism was the most important the US would have several world cup trophies

Yes sure it’s not everything but if I went to a top mls next team they are only going to have 2-3 players that are even athletic enough to play professional soccer even in MLS. Even the slow players are insanely fast. And these MLS next coaches and organizations making these promises are lying to parents. 30-40% of the MLS next kids don’t play any college and many can’t even see the field on a division 3 team and quit after a year or two. Let them enjoy themselves and be great in high school soccer and have those memories for a lifetime. Putting all that hard work and time and never being something other than an average player on your club team is so sad

Why is playing HS soccer memories bigger and better memories than the MLS Next memories of playing in Florida right now at GA Cup against International academies while spending over a week bonding with teammates and meeting the best players from all over the country?

IYKYK. I mean really- do we have to explain why playing with your high school friends in front of your high school classmates cheering you on is a whole different 'vibe' than traveling to florida and playing in front of parents/adults? Yes, that can be fun too- but its different all together But you already knew that...

100% sure the vibes at GA Cup playing against Bayern Munich or Manchester United or Barcelona with the stands full beats the 30 people watching Wheaton play Churchill on a Tuesday at 6pm

Done both and it’s not high school atmosphere at night is far superior

ssssuuuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrreeeeee

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Anonymous wrote:The '25-'26 waiver allowed simultaneous participation in MLS Next HG and HS soccer. The '26-'27 waiver changed and does not. The clubs and high schools already know this but some have been slow to communicate the new rules. Our club (in mid-Atlantic not DC metro) already communicated that if a MLS Next HG player plans to get the waiver to play private HS soccer in the fall bc his school/scholarship requires it, he cannot be rostered for any league games until the HS season ends. The HG team will hold his spot until he can return in Nov but he can no longer play both at once. They do allow simultaneous training just not games.

this is the current process if they don't get a waiver. the waiver for next year has not been released yet and won't be released until July at the earliest to accommodate the fall seasons.

MLS Next isn't going to be tightening this rule. they already loosened it this past year and they're going to have to keep loosening it because of how many players are simplyy ignoring the rule and their clubs.

So are you saying that MLSNext won’t actually go through with tightening the rule (ie, will still allow simultaneous playing in HS and MLSNext for those who have waivers)? Our club coach also told us that the possibility had been communicated to them but until it’s in writing in the waivers, there is a possibility it’s not going to be implemented.

For us without kids at that age

Are you saying there are kids going through the excessive running fitness and physical training of HS soccer while also doing 4 days a week MLS Next team training and playing 2-4 games per week?

I made the post about the current process. You can find that in the rules manual on the MLS Next website (since there's a couple of posts continuously saying inaccurate things).

I have absolutely zero inside knowledge on what they're going to do next year. So maybe I should have said, "I don't see MLS Next tightening the rule since they have already loosened it from the previous year." My personal opinion is that the rule will ultimately go away because so many people are violating it, and there's another set of players who tend to be really good and from high quality programs who have waivers, mostly for private school leagues.

Regarding the excessive running, fitness. Yes, there are players doing this. In my opinion, the whole notion of rest is overblown for kids under say 17-18 years old. In my opinion, the thing holding back American players' development is number of touches on the ball. When players are able to essentially double their touches over a season, that works generally to that player's benefit. In my opinion, just to be clear.

Did you say you don't think kids under 18 years old should have rest and or active recovery days?

Or am I interpreting incorrectly

I think the idea of rest and recovery days is primarily due to professional sports rhythms as opposed to the needs of say a 15 year old boy. It's not that they never need to rest (injuries are different discussion in my opinion), it's just that if I take away video games and YouTube and tell my boy to go find something to do, he'll end up outside playing some kind of sport 7 days a week. So I just think the idea of managing boys minutes is overrated and primarily beneficial to adults rather than teenagers.

I agree with this. Mostly.

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Anonymous wrote:The '25-'26 waiver allowed simultaneous participation in MLS Next HG and HS soccer. The '26-'27 waiver changed and does not. The clubs and high schools already know this but some have been slow to communicate the new rules. Our club (in mid-Atlantic not DC metro) already communicated that if a MLS Next HG player plans to get the waiver to play private HS soccer in the fall bc his school/scholarship requires it, he cannot be rostered for any league games until the HS season ends. The HG team will hold his spot until he can return in Nov but he can no longer play both at once. They do allow simultaneous training just not games.

this is the current process if they don't get a waiver. the waiver for next year has not been released yet and won't be released until July at the earliest to accommodate the fall seasons.

MLS Next isn't going to be tightening this rule. they already loosened it this past year and they're going to have to keep loosening it because of how many players are simplyy ignoring the rule and their clubs.

So are you saying that MLSNext won’t actually go through with tightening the rule (ie, will still allow simultaneous playing in HS and MLSNext for those who have waivers)? Our club coach also told us that the possibility had been communicated to them but until it’s in writing in the waivers, there is a possibility it’s not going to be implemented.

For us without kids at that age

Are you saying there are kids going through the excessive running fitness and physical training of HS soccer while also doing 4 days a week MLS Next team training and playing 2-4 games per week?

I made the post about the current process. You can find that in the rules manual on the MLS Next website (since there's a couple of posts continuously saying inaccurate things).

I have absolutely zero inside knowledge on what they're going to do next year. So maybe I should have said, "I don't see MLS Next tightening the rule since they have already loosened it from the previous year." My personal opinion is that the rule will ultimately go away because so many people are violating it, and there's another set of players who tend to be really good and from high quality programs who have waivers, mostly for private school leagues.

Regarding the excessive running, fitness. Yes, there are players doing this. In my opinion, the whole notion of rest is overblown for kids under say 17-18 years old. In my opinion, the thing holding back American players' development is number of touches on the ball. When players are able to essentially double their touches over a season, that works generally to that player's benefit. In my opinion, just to be clear.

Did you say you don't think kids under 18 years old should have rest and or active recovery days?

Or am I interpreting incorrectly

I think the idea of rest and recovery days is primarily due to professional sports rhythms as opposed to the needs of say a 15 year old boy. It's not that they never need to rest (injuries are different discussion in my opinion), it's just that if I take away video games and YouTube and tell my boy to go find something to do, he'll end up outside playing some kind of sport 7 days a week. So I just think the idea of managing boys minutes is overrated and primarily beneficial to adults rather than teenagers.

I agree with this. Mostly.

Okay, we'll listen to you guys but not the actual experts