MLS next ruining high school soccer

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Anonymous wrote:Don't expect much in HS soccer, no matter how good your kid is. 9th/10th grader playing high level ball doesn't translate into standout in HS because it's 100% speed and size. Now, when your young ecnl/mlsnext player is a 11/12 grader they will dominate because the size/speed thing isn't an issue anymore.

Don't invest time into guessing why my skilled freshman isn't playing, he's prob just not fast or big enough. Keep supporting their efforts!

This is true for most but if they can figure it out and adapt to the pace at a young age they are going to be special. If you think high school is a track meet, you should really go watch the college game all these mls next player/parents want there kid to play. It is very sloppy and looks more like a high school game with extreme pressing for 90 minutes. watch the UVA vs VT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMwYpCj2WqA

I was going to say. Isn't speed and athleticism where the game ultimately goes for all these players? We focus on skill, mind set and understanding of the game but aren't those prerequisites for what is ultimately a grueling physical sport determined by quickness, speed, power and toughness?

No

You obviously don't know what quality high level soccer is.

You just described tackle football and rugby

Huh? Educate me about what high level soccer is. Americans are the only people that believe soccer isn't about toughness, grit and yes, athleticism. Nobody plays "quality high level soccer" without those attributes.

Then explain how Spain won the World Cup if you need NFL Linebackers

Ha! This is a primitive attempt to shift the goal posts into an argument you can win. I simple said they have to be elite athletes where speed, quickness and athleticism ultimately reign supreme -- you know like, in the top leagues around the world. Your unsubstantiated leap to football is rejected but I'm happy to hear you explain how I'm wrong on the merits of my argument where ever you are ready. Nice try though.

Ball control and mastery, IQ, Decision-making, tactical knowledge, reading the game with anticipation, passing, vision are just some of the things that come before running speed and jumping ability for the best soccer players

The ignorant amateurs think speed in soccer is same as track and field.
It's speed of thought and execution, not flat out running.

Johan Cruyff said it best, he was faster in his mind thinking of the next move before his opponent.

Well first off Cruyff was extremely quick and agile. However the game has become much more athletic since his time. And biggest thing is all of the attributes can be improved much easier than physical attributes. Yes they matter but a lot of players have extreme game iq but can’t play professional at a high level bc of physical attributes.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't expect much in HS soccer, no matter how good your kid is. 9th/10th grader playing high level ball doesn't translate into standout in HS because it's 100% speed and size. Now, when your young ecnl/mlsnext player is a 11/12 grader they will dominate because the size/speed thing isn't an issue anymore.

Don't invest time into guessing why my skilled freshman isn't playing, he's prob just not fast or big enough. Keep supporting their efforts!

This is true for most but if they can figure it out and adapt to the pace at a young age they are going to be special. If you think high school is a track meet, you should really go watch the college game all these mls next player/parents want there kid to play. It is very sloppy and looks more like a high school game with extreme pressing for 90 minutes. watch the UVA vs VT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMwYpCj2WqA

I was going to say. Isn't speed and athleticism where the game ultimately goes for all these players? We focus on skill, mind set and understanding of the game but aren't those prerequisites for what is ultimately a grueling physical sport determined by quickness, speed, power and toughness?

No

You obviously don't know what quality high level soccer is.

You just described tackle football and rugby

Huh? Educate me about what high level soccer is. Americans are the only people that believe soccer isn't about toughness, grit and yes, athleticism. Nobody plays "quality high level soccer" without those attributes.

Then explain how Spain won the World Cup if you need NFL Linebackers

Ha! This is a primitive attempt to shift the goal posts into an argument you can win. I simple said they have to be elite athletes where speed, quickness and athleticism ultimately reign supreme -- you know like, in the top leagues around the world. Your unsubstantiated leap to football is rejected but I'm happy to hear you explain how I'm wrong on the merits of my argument where ever you are ready. Nice try though.

Ball control and mastery, IQ, Decision-making, tactical knowledge, reading the game with anticipation, passing, vision are just some of the things that come before running speed and jumping ability for the best soccer players

The ignorant amateurs think speed in soccer is same as track and field.
It's speed of thought and execution, not flat out running.

Johan Cruyff said it best, he was faster in his mind thinking of the next move before his opponent.

Well first off Cruyff was extremely quick and agile. However the game has become much more athletic since his time. And biggest thing is all of the attributes can be improved much easier than physical attributes. Yes they matter but a lot of players have extreme game iq but can’t play professional at a high level bc of physical attributes.

NP and not an expert so I have to ask

How can a player be in the pipeline pathway to being a top level professional without a high level of soccer physical attributes in the first place?

Other than injuries, I've never heard of a top level U18, U19, U21, 2nd team academy player with athleticism issues

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Anonymous wrote:Don't expect much in HS soccer, no matter how good your kid is. 9th/10th grader playing high level ball doesn't translate into standout in HS because it's 100% speed and size. Now, when your young ecnl/mlsnext player is a 11/12 grader they will dominate because the size/speed thing isn't an issue anymore.

Don't invest time into guessing why my skilled freshman isn't playing, he's prob just not fast or big enough. Keep supporting their efforts!

This is true for most but if they can figure it out and adapt to the pace at a young age they are going to be special. If you think high school is a track meet, you should really go watch the college game all these mls next player/parents want there kid to play. It is very sloppy and looks more like a high school game with extreme pressing for 90 minutes. watch the UVA vs VT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMwYpCj2WqA

I was going to say. Isn't speed and athleticism where the game ultimately goes for all these players? We focus on skill, mind set and understanding of the game but aren't those prerequisites for what is ultimately a grueling physical sport determined by quickness, speed, power and toughness?

No

You obviously don't know what quality high level soccer is.

You just described tackle football and rugby

Huh? Educate me about what high level soccer is. Americans are the only people that believe soccer isn't about toughness, grit and yes, athleticism. Nobody plays "quality high level soccer" without those attributes.

Then explain how Spain won the World Cup if you need NFL Linebackers

Ha! This is a primitive attempt to shift the goal posts into an argument you can win. I simple said they have to be elite athletes where speed, quickness and athleticism ultimately reign supreme -- you know like, in the top leagues around the world. Your unsubstantiated leap to football is rejected but I'm happy to hear you explain how I'm wrong on the merits of my argument where ever you are ready. Nice try though.

Ball control and mastery, IQ, Decision-making, tactical knowledge, reading the game with anticipation, passing, vision are just some of the things that come before running speed and jumping ability for the best soccer players

The ignorant amateurs think speed in soccer is same as track and field.
It's speed of thought and execution, not flat out running.

Johan Cruyff said it best, he was faster in his mind thinking of the next move before his opponent.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't expect much in HS soccer, no matter how good your kid is. 9th/10th grader playing high level ball doesn't translate into standout in HS because it's 100% speed and size. Now, when your young ecnl/mlsnext player is a 11/12 grader they will dominate because the size/speed thing isn't an issue anymore.

Don't invest time into guessing why my skilled freshman isn't playing, he's prob just not fast or big enough. Keep supporting their efforts!

This is true for most but if they can figure it out and adapt to the pace at a young age they are going to be special. If you think high school is a track meet, you should really go watch the college game all these mls next player/parents want there kid to play. It is very sloppy and looks more like a high school game with extreme pressing for 90 minutes. watch the UVA vs VT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMwYpCj2WqA

I was going to say. Isn't speed and athleticism where the game ultimately goes for all these players? We focus on skill, mind set and understanding of the game but aren't those prerequisites for what is ultimately a grueling physical sport determined by quickness, speed, power and toughness?

No

You obviously don't know what quality high level soccer is.

You just described tackle football and rugby

Huh? Educate me about what high level soccer is. Americans are the only people that believe soccer isn't about toughness, grit and yes, athleticism. Nobody plays "quality high level soccer" without those attributes.

Then explain how Spain won the World Cup if you need NFL Linebackers

Ha! This is a primitive attempt to shift the goal posts into an argument you can win. I simple said they have to be elite athletes where speed, quickness and athleticism ultimately reign supreme -- you know like, in the top leagues around the world. Your unsubstantiated leap to football is rejected but I'm happy to hear you explain how I'm wrong on the merits of my argument where ever you are ready. Nice try though.

Ball control and mastery, IQ, Decision-making, tactical knowledge, reading the game with anticipation, passing, vision are just some of the things that come before running speed and jumping ability for the best soccer players

The ignorant amateurs think speed in soccer is same as track and field.
It's speed of thought and execution, not flat out running.

Johan Cruyff said it best, he was faster in his mind thinking of the next move before his opponent.

I don't recall any reference to jumping but if it you believe it strengthens your argument, fine.

I would say the you are outlining prerequisites and I'm identifying differentiators. Cryuff STOPPED playing 50 years ago! I'm no expert on his athleticism but today's stars are all super athletes.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't expect much in HS soccer, no matter how good your kid is. 9th/10th grader playing high level ball doesn't translate into standout in HS because it's 100% speed and size. Now, when your young ecnl/mlsnext player is a 11/12 grader they will dominate because the size/speed thing isn't an issue anymore.

Don't invest time into guessing why my skilled freshman isn't playing, he's prob just not fast or big enough. Keep supporting their efforts!

This is true for most but if they can figure it out and adapt to the pace at a young age they are going to be special. If you think high school is a track meet, you should really go watch the college game all these mls next player/parents want there kid to play. It is very sloppy and looks more like a high school game with extreme pressing for 90 minutes. watch the UVA vs VT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMwYpCj2WqA

I was going to say. Isn't speed and athleticism where the game ultimately goes for all these players? We focus on skill, mind set and understanding of the game but aren't those prerequisites for what is ultimately a grueling physical sport determined by quickness, speed, power and toughness?

No

You obviously don't know what quality high level soccer is.

You just described tackle football and rugby

Huh? Educate me about what high level soccer is. Americans are the only people that believe soccer isn't about toughness, grit and yes, athleticism. Nobody plays "quality high level soccer" without those attributes.

Then explain how Spain won the World Cup if you need NFL Linebackers

Ha! This is a primitive attempt to shift the goal posts into an argument you can win. I simple said they have to be elite athletes where speed, quickness and athleticism ultimately reign supreme -- you know like, in the top leagues around the world. Your unsubstantiated leap to football is rejected but I'm happy to hear you explain how I'm wrong on the merits of my argument where ever you are ready. Nice try though.

Ball control and mastery, IQ, Decision-making, tactical knowledge, reading the game with anticipation, passing, vision are just some of the things that come before running speed and jumping ability for the best soccer players

The ignorant amateurs think speed in soccer is same as track and field.
It's speed of thought and execution, not flat out running.

Johan Cruyff said it best, he was faster in his mind thinking of the next move before his opponent.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't expect much in HS soccer, no matter how good your kid is. 9th/10th grader playing high level ball doesn't translate into standout in HS because it's 100% speed and size. Now, when your young ecnl/mlsnext player is a 11/12 grader they will dominate because the size/speed thing isn't an issue anymore.

Don't invest time into guessing why my skilled freshman isn't playing, he's prob just not fast or big enough. Keep supporting their efforts!

This is true for most but if they can figure it out and adapt to the pace at a young age they are going to be special. If you think high school is a track meet, you should really go watch the college game all these mls next player/parents want there kid to play. It is very sloppy and looks more like a high school game with extreme pressing for 90 minutes. watch the UVA vs VT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMwYpCj2WqA

I was going to say. Isn't speed and athleticism where the game ultimately goes for all these players? We focus on skill, mind set and understanding of the game but aren't those prerequisites for what is ultimately a grueling physical sport determined by quickness, speed, power and toughness?

No

You obviously don't know what quality high level soccer is.

You just described tackle football and rugby

Huh? Educate me about what high level soccer is. Americans are the only people that believe soccer isn't about toughness, grit and yes, athleticism. Nobody plays "quality high level soccer" without those attributes.

Then explain how Spain won the World Cup if you need NFL Linebackers

Ha! This is a primitive attempt to shift the goal posts into an argument you can win. I simple said they have to be elite athletes where speed, quickness and athleticism ultimately reign supreme -- you know like, in the top leagues around the world. Your unsubstantiated leap to football is rejected but I'm happy to hear you explain how I'm wrong on the merits of my argument where ever you are ready. Nice try though.

Ball control and mastery, IQ, Decision-making, tactical knowledge, reading the game with anticipation, passing, vision are just some of the things that come before running speed and jumping ability for the best soccer players

The ignorant amateurs think speed in soccer is same as track and field.
It's speed of thought and execution, not flat out running.

Johan Cruyff said it best, he was faster in his mind thinking of the next move before his opponent.

I don't recall any reference to jumping but if it you believe it strengthens your argument, fine.

I would say the you are outlining prerequisites and I'm identifying differentiators. Cryuff STOPPED playing 50 years ago! I'm no expert on his athleticism but today's stars are all super athletes.

Please list all the objective measurable elements of a "super athlete" so we can all be on the same page.

Then tell us how all the current professional players meet this criteria.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't expect much in HS soccer, no matter how good your kid is. 9th/10th grader playing high level ball doesn't translate into standout in HS because it's 100% speed and size. Now, when your young ecnl/mlsnext player is a 11/12 grader they will dominate because the size/speed thing isn't an issue anymore.

Don't invest time into guessing why my skilled freshman isn't playing, he's prob just not fast or big enough. Keep supporting their efforts!

This is true for most but if they can figure it out and adapt to the pace at a young age they are going to be special. If you think high school is a track meet, you should really go watch the college game all these mls next player/parents want there kid to play. It is very sloppy and looks more like a high school game with extreme pressing for 90 minutes. watch the UVA vs VT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMwYpCj2WqA

I was going to say. Isn't speed and athleticism where the game ultimately goes for all these players? We focus on skill, mind set and understanding of the game but aren't those prerequisites for what is ultimately a grueling physical sport determined by quickness, speed, power and toughness?

No

You obviously don't know what quality high level soccer is.

You just described tackle football and rugby

Huh? Educate me about what high level soccer is. Americans are the only people that believe soccer isn't about toughness, grit and yes, athleticism. Nobody plays "quality high level soccer" without those attributes.

Then explain how Spain won the World Cup if you need NFL Linebackers

Ha! This is a primitive attempt to shift the goal posts into an argument you can win. I simple said they have to be elite athletes where speed, quickness and athleticism ultimately reign supreme -- you know like, in the top leagues around the world. Your unsubstantiated leap to football is rejected but I'm happy to hear you explain how I'm wrong on the merits of my argument where ever you are ready. Nice try though.

Ball control and mastery, IQ, Decision-making, tactical knowledge, reading the game with anticipation, passing, vision are just some of the things that come before running speed and jumping ability for the best soccer players

The ignorant amateurs think speed in soccer is same as track and field.
It's speed of thought and execution, not flat out running.

Johan Cruyff said it best, he was faster in his mind thinking of the next move before his opponent.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't expect much in HS soccer, no matter how good your kid is. 9th/10th grader playing high level ball doesn't translate into standout in HS because it's 100% speed and size. Now, when your young ecnl/mlsnext player is a 11/12 grader they will dominate because the size/speed thing isn't an issue anymore.

Don't invest time into guessing why my skilled freshman isn't playing, he's prob just not fast or big enough. Keep supporting their efforts!

This is true for most but if they can figure it out and adapt to the pace at a young age they are going to be special. If you think high school is a track meet, you should really go watch the college game all these mls next player/parents want there kid to play. It is very sloppy and looks more like a high school game with extreme pressing for 90 minutes. watch the UVA vs VT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMwYpCj2WqA

I was going to say. Isn't speed and athleticism where the game ultimately goes for all these players? We focus on skill, mind set and understanding of the game but aren't those prerequisites for what is ultimately a grueling physical sport determined by quickness, speed, power and toughness?

No

You obviously don't know what quality high level soccer is.

You just described tackle football and rugby

Huh? Educate me about what high level soccer is. Americans are the only people that believe soccer isn't about toughness, grit and yes, athleticism. Nobody plays "quality high level soccer" without those attributes.

Then explain how Spain won the World Cup if you need NFL Linebackers

Ha! This is a primitive attempt to shift the goal posts into an argument you can win. I simple said they have to be elite athletes where speed, quickness and athleticism ultimately reign supreme -- you know like, in the top leagues around the world. Your unsubstantiated leap to football is rejected but I'm happy to hear you explain how I'm wrong on the merits of my argument where ever you are ready. Nice try though.

Ball control and mastery, IQ, Decision-making, tactical knowledge, reading the game with anticipation, passing, vision are just some of the things that come before running speed and jumping ability for the best soccer players

The ignorant amateurs think speed in soccer is same as track and field.
It's speed of thought and execution, not flat out running.

Johan Cruyff said it best, he was faster in his mind thinking of the next move before his opponent.

I don't recall any reference to jumping but if it you believe it strengthens your argument, fine.

I would say the you are outlining prerequisites and I'm identifying differentiators. Cryuff STOPPED playing 50 years ago! I'm no expert on his athleticism but today's stars are all super athletes.

Please list all the objective measurable elements of a "super athlete" so we can all be on the same page.

Then tell us how all the current professional players meet this criteria.

I think intelligence is your issue (that and stubbornness) not athleticism. What's understood (by most of us at least) doesn't have to be explained.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't expect much in HS soccer, no matter how good your kid is. 9th/10th grader playing high level ball doesn't translate into standout in HS because it's 100% speed and size. Now, when your young ecnl/mlsnext player is a 11/12 grader they will dominate because the size/speed thing isn't an issue anymore.

Don't invest time into guessing why my skilled freshman isn't playing, he's prob just not fast or big enough. Keep supporting their efforts!

This is true for most but if they can figure it out and adapt to the pace at a young age they are going to be special. If you think high school is a track meet, you should really go watch the college game all these mls next player/parents want there kid to play. It is very sloppy and looks more like a high school game with extreme pressing for 90 minutes. watch the UVA vs VT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMwYpCj2WqA

I was going to say. Isn't speed and athleticism where the game ultimately goes for all these players? We focus on skill, mind set and understanding of the game but aren't those prerequisites for what is ultimately a grueling physical sport determined by quickness, speed, power and toughness?

No

You obviously don't know what quality high level soccer is.

You just described tackle football and rugby

Huh? Educate me about what high level soccer is. Americans are the only people that believe soccer isn't about toughness, grit and yes, athleticism. Nobody plays "quality high level soccer" without those attributes.

Then explain how Spain won the World Cup if you need NFL Linebackers

Ha! This is a primitive attempt to shift the goal posts into an argument you can win. I simple said they have to be elite athletes where speed, quickness and athleticism ultimately reign supreme -- you know like, in the top leagues around the world. Your unsubstantiated leap to football is rejected but I'm happy to hear you explain how I'm wrong on the merits of my argument where ever you are ready. Nice try though.

Ball control and mastery, IQ, Decision-making, tactical knowledge, reading the game with anticipation, passing, vision are just some of the things that come before running speed and jumping ability for the best soccer players

The ignorant amateurs think speed in soccer is same as track and field.
It's speed of thought and execution, not flat out running.

Johan Cruyff said it best, he was faster in his mind thinking of the next move before his opponent.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't expect much in HS soccer, no matter how good your kid is. 9th/10th grader playing high level ball doesn't translate into standout in HS because it's 100% speed and size. Now, when your young ecnl/mlsnext player is a 11/12 grader they will dominate because the size/speed thing isn't an issue anymore.

Don't invest time into guessing why my skilled freshman isn't playing, he's prob just not fast or big enough. Keep supporting their efforts!

This is true for most but if they can figure it out and adapt to the pace at a young age they are going to be special. If you think high school is a track meet, you should really go watch the college game all these mls next player/parents want there kid to play. It is very sloppy and looks more like a high school game with extreme pressing for 90 minutes. watch the UVA vs VT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMwYpCj2WqA

I was going to say. Isn't speed and athleticism where the game ultimately goes for all these players? We focus on skill, mind set and understanding of the game but aren't those prerequisites for what is ultimately a grueling physical sport determined by quickness, speed, power and toughness?

No

You obviously don't know what quality high level soccer is.

You just described tackle football and rugby

Huh? Educate me about what high level soccer is. Americans are the only people that believe soccer isn't about toughness, grit and yes, athleticism. Nobody plays "quality high level soccer" without those attributes.

Then explain how Spain won the World Cup if you need NFL Linebackers

Ha! This is a primitive attempt to shift the goal posts into an argument you can win. I simple said they have to be elite athletes where speed, quickness and athleticism ultimately reign supreme -- you know like, in the top leagues around the world. Your unsubstantiated leap to football is rejected but I'm happy to hear you explain how I'm wrong on the merits of my argument where ever you are ready. Nice try though.

Ball control and mastery, IQ, Decision-making, tactical knowledge, reading the game with anticipation, passing, vision are just some of the things that come before running speed and jumping ability for the best soccer players

The ignorant amateurs think speed in soccer is same as track and field.
It's speed of thought and execution, not flat out running.

Johan Cruyff said it best, he was faster in his mind thinking of the next move before his opponent.

I don't recall any reference to jumping but if it you believe it strengthens your argument, fine.

I would say the you are outlining prerequisites and I'm identifying differentiators. Cryuff STOPPED playing 50 years ago! I'm no expert on his athleticism but today's stars are all super athletes.

Please list all the objective measurable elements of a "super athlete" so we can all be on the same page.

Then tell us how all the current professional players meet this criteria.

I think intelligence is your issue (that and stubbornness) not athleticism. What's understood (by most of us at least) doesn't have to be explained.

You're saying Michael Phelps would be the best synchronized swimmer or water polo player?

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Anonymous wrote:Don't expect much in HS soccer, no matter how good your kid is. 9th/10th grader playing high level ball doesn't translate into standout in HS because it's 100% speed and size. Now, when your young ecnl/mlsnext player is a 11/12 grader they will dominate because the size/speed thing isn't an issue anymore.

Don't invest time into guessing why my skilled freshman isn't playing, he's prob just not fast or big enough. Keep supporting their efforts!

This is true for most but if they can figure it out and adapt to the pace at a young age they are going to be special. If you think high school is a track meet, you should really go watch the college game all these mls next player/parents want there kid to play. It is very sloppy and looks more like a high school game with extreme pressing for 90 minutes. watch the UVA vs VT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMwYpCj2WqA

I was going to say. Isn't speed and athleticism where the game ultimately goes for all these players? We focus on skill, mind set and understanding of the game but aren't those prerequisites for what is ultimately a grueling physical sport determined by quickness, speed, power and toughness?

No

You obviously don't know what quality high level soccer is.

You just described tackle football and rugby

Huh? Educate me about what high level soccer is. Americans are the only people that believe soccer isn't about toughness, grit and yes, athleticism. Nobody plays "quality high level soccer" without those attributes.

Then explain how Spain won the World Cup if you need NFL Linebackers

Ha! This is a primitive attempt to shift the goal posts into an argument you can win. I simple said they have to be elite athletes where speed, quickness and athleticism ultimately reign supreme -- you know like, in the top leagues around the world. Your unsubstantiated leap to football is rejected but I'm happy to hear you explain how I'm wrong on the merits of my argument where ever you are ready. Nice try though.

Ball control and mastery, IQ, Decision-making, tactical knowledge, reading the game with anticipation, passing, vision are just some of the things that come before running speed and jumping ability for the best soccer players

The ignorant amateurs think speed in soccer is same as track and field.
It's speed of thought and execution, not flat out running.

Johan Cruyff said it best, he was faster in his mind thinking of the next move before his opponent.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't expect much in HS soccer, no matter how good your kid is. 9th/10th grader playing high level ball doesn't translate into standout in HS because it's 100% speed and size. Now, when your young ecnl/mlsnext player is a 11/12 grader they will dominate because the size/speed thing isn't an issue anymore.

Don't invest time into guessing why my skilled freshman isn't playing, he's prob just not fast or big enough. Keep supporting their efforts!

This is true for most but if they can figure it out and adapt to the pace at a young age they are going to be special. If you think high school is a track meet, you should really go watch the college game all these mls next player/parents want there kid to play. It is very sloppy and looks more like a high school game with extreme pressing for 90 minutes. watch the UVA vs VT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMwYpCj2WqA

I was going to say. Isn't speed and athleticism where the game ultimately goes for all these players? We focus on skill, mind set and understanding of the game but aren't those prerequisites for what is ultimately a grueling physical sport determined by quickness, speed, power and toughness?

No

You obviously don't know what quality high level soccer is.

You just described tackle football and rugby

Huh? Educate me about what high level soccer is. Americans are the only people that believe soccer isn't about toughness, grit and yes, athleticism. Nobody plays "quality high level soccer" without those attributes.

Then explain how Spain won the World Cup if you need NFL Linebackers

Ha! This is a primitive attempt to shift the goal posts into an argument you can win. I simple said they have to be elite athletes where speed, quickness and athleticism ultimately reign supreme -- you know like, in the top leagues around the world. Your unsubstantiated leap to football is rejected but I'm happy to hear you explain how I'm wrong on the merits of my argument where ever you are ready. Nice try though.

Ball control and mastery, IQ, Decision-making, tactical knowledge, reading the game with anticipation, passing, vision are just some of the things that come before running speed and jumping ability for the best soccer players

The ignorant amateurs think speed in soccer is same as track and field.
It's speed of thought and execution, not flat out running.

Johan Cruyff said it best, he was faster in his mind thinking of the next move before his opponent.

I don't recall any reference to jumping but if it you believe it strengthens your argument, fine.

I would say the you are outlining prerequisites and I'm identifying differentiators. Cryuff STOPPED playing 50 years ago! I'm no expert on his athleticism but today's stars are all super athletes.

Please list all the objective measurable elements of a "super athlete" so we can all be on the same page.

Then tell us how all the current professional players meet this criteria.

I'm curious about the answers to this too to see how far or near my DS is

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Anonymous wrote:Don't expect much in HS soccer, no matter how good your kid is. 9th/10th grader playing high level ball doesn't translate into standout in HS because it's 100% speed and size. Now, when your young ecnl/mlsnext player is a 11/12 grader they will dominate because the size/speed thing isn't an issue anymore.

Don't invest time into guessing why my skilled freshman isn't playing, he's prob just not fast or big enough. Keep supporting their efforts!

This is true for most but if they can figure it out and adapt to the pace at a young age they are going to be special. If you think high school is a track meet, you should really go watch the college game all these mls next player/parents want there kid to play. It is very sloppy and looks more like a high school game with extreme pressing for 90 minutes. watch the UVA vs VT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMwYpCj2WqA

I was going to say. Isn't speed and athleticism where the game ultimately goes for all these players? We focus on skill, mind set and understanding of the game but aren't those prerequisites for what is ultimately a grueling physical sport determined by quickness, speed, power and toughness?

No

You obviously don't know what quality high level soccer is.

You just described tackle football and rugby

Huh? Educate me about what high level soccer is. Americans are the only people that believe soccer isn't about toughness, grit and yes, athleticism. Nobody plays "quality high level soccer" without those attributes.

Then explain how Spain won the World Cup if you need NFL Linebackers

Ha! This is a primitive attempt to shift the goal posts into an argument you can win. I simple said they have to be elite athletes where speed, quickness and athleticism ultimately reign supreme -- you know like, in the top leagues around the world. Your unsubstantiated leap to football is rejected but I'm happy to hear you explain how I'm wrong on the merits of my argument where ever you are ready. Nice try though.

Ball control and mastery, IQ, Decision-making, tactical knowledge, reading the game with anticipation, passing, vision are just some of the things that come before running speed and jumping ability for the best soccer players

The ignorant amateurs think speed in soccer is same as track and field.
It's speed of thought and execution, not flat out running.

Johan Cruyff said it best, he was faster in his mind thinking of the next move before his opponent.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't expect much in HS soccer, no matter how good your kid is. 9th/10th grader playing high level ball doesn't translate into standout in HS because it's 100% speed and size. Now, when your young ecnl/mlsnext player is a 11/12 grader they will dominate because the size/speed thing isn't an issue anymore.

Don't invest time into guessing why my skilled freshman isn't playing, he's prob just not fast or big enough. Keep supporting their efforts!

This is true for most but if they can figure it out and adapt to the pace at a young age they are going to be special. If you think high school is a track meet, you should really go watch the college game all these mls next player/parents want there kid to play. It is very sloppy and looks more like a high school game with extreme pressing for 90 minutes. watch the UVA vs VT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMwYpCj2WqA

I was going to say. Isn't speed and athleticism where the game ultimately goes for all these players? We focus on skill, mind set and understanding of the game but aren't those prerequisites for what is ultimately a grueling physical sport determined by quickness, speed, power and toughness?

No

You obviously don't know what quality high level soccer is.

You just described tackle football and rugby

Huh? Educate me about what high level soccer is. Americans are the only people that believe soccer isn't about toughness, grit and yes, athleticism. Nobody plays "quality high level soccer" without those attributes.

Then explain how Spain won the World Cup if you need NFL Linebackers

Ha! This is a primitive attempt to shift the goal posts into an argument you can win. I simple said they have to be elite athletes where speed, quickness and athleticism ultimately reign supreme -- you know like, in the top leagues around the world. Your unsubstantiated leap to football is rejected but I'm happy to hear you explain how I'm wrong on the merits of my argument where ever you are ready. Nice try though.

Ball control and mastery, IQ, Decision-making, tactical knowledge, reading the game with anticipation, passing, vision are just some of the things that come before running speed and jumping ability for the best soccer players

The ignorant amateurs think speed in soccer is same as track and field.
It's speed of thought and execution, not flat out running.

Johan Cruyff said it best, he was faster in his mind thinking of the next move before his opponent.

I don't recall any reference to jumping but if it you believe it strengthens your argument, fine.

I would say the you are outlining prerequisites and I'm identifying differentiators. Cryuff STOPPED playing 50 years ago! I'm no expert on his athleticism but today's stars are all super athletes.

Please list all the objective measurable elements of a "super athlete" so we can all be on the same page.

Then tell us how all the current professional players meet this criteria.

I'm curious about the answers to this too to see how far or near my DS is

D1 / PRO MINIMUM ATHLETIC BENCHMARKS (BY POSITION)
🪽 WINGERS / FULLBACKS (Highest demand)
0–10m Acceleration: ≤ 1.70 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 32 km/h (20 mph)
5-10-5 Agility: ≤ 4.35 sec
Repeat Sprint Drop-off: ≤ 7%
Endurance (Yo-Yo): ≥ 2200m
(Test: Yo-Yo Intermittent Recovery Test Level 1)
👉 If you’re under these, it’s very hard to survive wide.
🎯 CENTER MIDFIELDERS (Engine + Agility)
0–10m Acceleration: ≤ 1.75 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 30–31 km/h
5-10-5 Agility: ≤ 4.40 sec
Repeat Sprint Drop-off: ≤ 6% (very important)
Endurance (Yo-Yo): ≥ 2300–2500m
👉 You don’t need elite speed—but you must cover ground and turn efficiently.
🛡️ CENTER BACKS (Power + Positioning)
0–10m Acceleration: ≤ 1.80 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 30 km/h
5-10-5 Agility: ≤ 4.50 sec
Vertical Jump: ≥ 26–30 inches
Strength: ≥ 1.8× bodyweight squat
👉 You can be slightly slower—but not slow enough to get exposed in space.
⚽ STRIKERS (Varies by type)
Speed-Based Striker
0–10m: ≤ 1.70 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 32 km/h
Agility: ≤ 4.35 sec
Hold-Up / Technical Striker
0–10m: ≤ 1.80 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 29–30 km/h
Strength: High (duels, shielding)
👉 You can lack speed if you bring elite finishing, positioning, or strength.

Overall
No major movement inefficiencies (poor decel, upright running, etc.)
⚠️ Important Reality
These are entry-level thresholds, not what pros actually average
Most D1/pro players are above these in multiple areas
Players below these must compensate with:
Elite technical ability
Elite decision-making
Or a standout trait

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Anonymous wrote:Don't expect much in HS soccer, no matter how good your kid is. 9th/10th grader playing high level ball doesn't translate into standout in HS because it's 100% speed and size. Now, when your young ecnl/mlsnext player is a 11/12 grader they will dominate because the size/speed thing isn't an issue anymore.

Don't invest time into guessing why my skilled freshman isn't playing, he's prob just not fast or big enough. Keep supporting their efforts!

This is true for most but if they can figure it out and adapt to the pace at a young age they are going to be special. If you think high school is a track meet, you should really go watch the college game all these mls next player/parents want there kid to play. It is very sloppy and looks more like a high school game with extreme pressing for 90 minutes. watch the UVA vs VT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMwYpCj2WqA

I was going to say. Isn't speed and athleticism where the game ultimately goes for all these players? We focus on skill, mind set and understanding of the game but aren't those prerequisites for what is ultimately a grueling physical sport determined by quickness, speed, power and toughness?

No

You obviously don't know what quality high level soccer is.

You just described tackle football and rugby

Huh? Educate me about what high level soccer is. Americans are the only people that believe soccer isn't about toughness, grit and yes, athleticism. Nobody plays "quality high level soccer" without those attributes.

Then explain how Spain won the World Cup if you need NFL Linebackers

Ha! This is a primitive attempt to shift the goal posts into an argument you can win. I simple said they have to be elite athletes where speed, quickness and athleticism ultimately reign supreme -- you know like, in the top leagues around the world. Your unsubstantiated leap to football is rejected but I'm happy to hear you explain how I'm wrong on the merits of my argument where ever you are ready. Nice try though.

Ball control and mastery, IQ, Decision-making, tactical knowledge, reading the game with anticipation, passing, vision are just some of the things that come before running speed and jumping ability for the best soccer players

The ignorant amateurs think speed in soccer is same as track and field.
It's speed of thought and execution, not flat out running.

Johan Cruyff said it best, he was faster in his mind thinking of the next move before his opponent.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't expect much in HS soccer, no matter how good your kid is. 9th/10th grader playing high level ball doesn't translate into standout in HS because it's 100% speed and size. Now, when your young ecnl/mlsnext player is a 11/12 grader they will dominate because the size/speed thing isn't an issue anymore.

Don't invest time into guessing why my skilled freshman isn't playing, he's prob just not fast or big enough. Keep supporting their efforts!

This is true for most but if they can figure it out and adapt to the pace at a young age they are going to be special. If you think high school is a track meet, you should really go watch the college game all these mls next player/parents want there kid to play. It is very sloppy and looks more like a high school game with extreme pressing for 90 minutes. watch the UVA vs VT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMwYpCj2WqA

I was going to say. Isn't speed and athleticism where the game ultimately goes for all these players? We focus on skill, mind set and understanding of the game but aren't those prerequisites for what is ultimately a grueling physical sport determined by quickness, speed, power and toughness?

No

You obviously don't know what quality high level soccer is.

You just described tackle football and rugby

Huh? Educate me about what high level soccer is. Americans are the only people that believe soccer isn't about toughness, grit and yes, athleticism. Nobody plays "quality high level soccer" without those attributes.

Then explain how Spain won the World Cup if you need NFL Linebackers

Ha! This is a primitive attempt to shift the goal posts into an argument you can win. I simple said they have to be elite athletes where speed, quickness and athleticism ultimately reign supreme -- you know like, in the top leagues around the world. Your unsubstantiated leap to football is rejected but I'm happy to hear you explain how I'm wrong on the merits of my argument where ever you are ready. Nice try though.

Ball control and mastery, IQ, Decision-making, tactical knowledge, reading the game with anticipation, passing, vision are just some of the things that come before running speed and jumping ability for the best soccer players

The ignorant amateurs think speed in soccer is same as track and field.
It's speed of thought and execution, not flat out running.

Johan Cruyff said it best, he was faster in his mind thinking of the next move before his opponent.

I don't recall any reference to jumping but if it you believe it strengthens your argument, fine.

I would say the you are outlining prerequisites and I'm identifying differentiators. Cryuff STOPPED playing 50 years ago! I'm no expert on his athleticism but today's stars are all super athletes.

Please list all the objective measurable elements of a "super athlete" so we can all be on the same page.

Then tell us how all the current professional players meet this criteria.

I'm curious about the answers to this too to see how far or near my DS is

D1 / PRO MINIMUM ATHLETIC BENCHMARKS (BY POSITION)
🪽 WINGERS / FULLBACKS (Highest demand)
0–10m Acceleration: ≤ 1.70 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 32 km/h (20 mph)
5-10-5 Agility: ≤ 4.35 sec
Repeat Sprint Drop-off: ≤ 7%
Endurance (Yo-Yo): ≥ 2200m
(Test: Yo-Yo Intermittent Recovery Test Level 1)
👉 If you’re under these, it’s very hard to survive wide.
🎯 CENTER MIDFIELDERS (Engine + Agility)
0–10m Acceleration: ≤ 1.75 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 30–31 km/h
5-10-5 Agility: ≤ 4.40 sec
Repeat Sprint Drop-off: ≤ 6% (very important)
Endurance (Yo-Yo): ≥ 2300–2500m
👉 You don’t need elite speed—but you must cover ground and turn efficiently.
🛡️ CENTER BACKS (Power + Positioning)
0–10m Acceleration: ≤ 1.80 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 30 km/h
5-10-5 Agility: ≤ 4.50 sec
Vertical Jump: ≥ 26–30 inches
Strength: ≥ 1.8× bodyweight squat
👉 You can be slightly slower—but not slow enough to get exposed in space.
⚽ STRIKERS (Varies by type)
Speed-Based Striker
0–10m: ≤ 1.70 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 32 km/h
Agility: ≤ 4.35 sec
Hold-Up / Technical Striker
0–10m: ≤ 1.80 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 29–30 km/h
Strength: High (duels, shielding)
👉 You can lack speed if you bring elite finishing, positioning, or strength.

Overall
No major movement inefficiencies (poor decel, upright running, etc.)
⚠️ Important Reality
These are entry-level thresholds, not what pros actually average
Most D1/pro players are above these in multiple areas
Players below these must compensate with:
Elite technical ability
Elite decision-making
Or a standout trait

Comedy at it's best

No wonder we can't produce world class players

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Anonymous wrote:Don't expect much in HS soccer, no matter how good your kid is. 9th/10th grader playing high level ball doesn't translate into standout in HS because it's 100% speed and size. Now, when your young ecnl/mlsnext player is a 11/12 grader they will dominate because the size/speed thing isn't an issue anymore.

Don't invest time into guessing why my skilled freshman isn't playing, he's prob just not fast or big enough. Keep supporting their efforts!

This is true for most but if they can figure it out and adapt to the pace at a young age they are going to be special. If you think high school is a track meet, you should really go watch the college game all these mls next player/parents want there kid to play. It is very sloppy and looks more like a high school game with extreme pressing for 90 minutes. watch the UVA vs VT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMwYpCj2WqA

I was going to say. Isn't speed and athleticism where the game ultimately goes for all these players? We focus on skill, mind set and understanding of the game but aren't those prerequisites for what is ultimately a grueling physical sport determined by quickness, speed, power and toughness?

No

You obviously don't know what quality high level soccer is.

You just described tackle football and rugby

Huh? Educate me about what high level soccer is. Americans are the only people that believe soccer isn't about toughness, grit and yes, athleticism. Nobody plays "quality high level soccer" without those attributes.

Then explain how Spain won the World Cup if you need NFL Linebackers

Ha! This is a primitive attempt to shift the goal posts into an argument you can win. I simple said they have to be elite athletes where speed, quickness and athleticism ultimately reign supreme -- you know like, in the top leagues around the world. Your unsubstantiated leap to football is rejected but I'm happy to hear you explain how I'm wrong on the merits of my argument where ever you are ready. Nice try though.

Ball control and mastery, IQ, Decision-making, tactical knowledge, reading the game with anticipation, passing, vision are just some of the things that come before running speed and jumping ability for the best soccer players

The ignorant amateurs think speed in soccer is same as track and field.
It's speed of thought and execution, not flat out running.

Johan Cruyff said it best, he was faster in his mind thinking of the next move before his opponent.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't expect much in HS soccer, no matter how good your kid is. 9th/10th grader playing high level ball doesn't translate into standout in HS because it's 100% speed and size. Now, when your young ecnl/mlsnext player is a 11/12 grader they will dominate because the size/speed thing isn't an issue anymore.

Don't invest time into guessing why my skilled freshman isn't playing, he's prob just not fast or big enough. Keep supporting their efforts!

This is true for most but if they can figure it out and adapt to the pace at a young age they are going to be special. If you think high school is a track meet, you should really go watch the college game all these mls next player/parents want there kid to play. It is very sloppy and looks more like a high school game with extreme pressing for 90 minutes. watch the UVA vs VT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMwYpCj2WqA

I was going to say. Isn't speed and athleticism where the game ultimately goes for all these players? We focus on skill, mind set and understanding of the game but aren't those prerequisites for what is ultimately a grueling physical sport determined by quickness, speed, power and toughness?

No

You obviously don't know what quality high level soccer is.

You just described tackle football and rugby

Huh? Educate me about what high level soccer is. Americans are the only people that believe soccer isn't about toughness, grit and yes, athleticism. Nobody plays "quality high level soccer" without those attributes.

Then explain how Spain won the World Cup if you need NFL Linebackers

Ha! This is a primitive attempt to shift the goal posts into an argument you can win. I simple said they have to be elite athletes where speed, quickness and athleticism ultimately reign supreme -- you know like, in the top leagues around the world. Your unsubstantiated leap to football is rejected but I'm happy to hear you explain how I'm wrong on the merits of my argument where ever you are ready. Nice try though.

Ball control and mastery, IQ, Decision-making, tactical knowledge, reading the game with anticipation, passing, vision are just some of the things that come before running speed and jumping ability for the best soccer players

The ignorant amateurs think speed in soccer is same as track and field.
It's speed of thought and execution, not flat out running.

Johan Cruyff said it best, he was faster in his mind thinking of the next move before his opponent.

I don't recall any reference to jumping but if it you believe it strengthens your argument, fine.

I would say the you are outlining prerequisites and I'm identifying differentiators. Cryuff STOPPED playing 50 years ago! I'm no expert on his athleticism but today's stars are all super athletes.

Please list all the objective measurable elements of a "super athlete" so we can all be on the same page.

Then tell us how all the current professional players meet this criteria.

I'm curious about the answers to this too to see how far or near my DS is

D1 / PRO MINIMUM ATHLETIC BENCHMARKS (BY POSITION)
🪽 WINGERS / FULLBACKS (Highest demand)
0–10m Acceleration: ≤ 1.70 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 32 km/h (20 mph)
5-10-5 Agility: ≤ 4.35 sec
Repeat Sprint Drop-off: ≤ 7%
Endurance (Yo-Yo): ≥ 2200m
(Test: Yo-Yo Intermittent Recovery Test Level 1)
👉 If you’re under these, it’s very hard to survive wide.
🎯 CENTER MIDFIELDERS (Engine + Agility)
0–10m Acceleration: ≤ 1.75 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 30–31 km/h
5-10-5 Agility: ≤ 4.40 sec
Repeat Sprint Drop-off: ≤ 6% (very important)
Endurance (Yo-Yo): ≥ 2300–2500m
👉 You don’t need elite speed—but you must cover ground and turn efficiently.
🛡️ CENTER BACKS (Power + Positioning)
0–10m Acceleration: ≤ 1.80 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 30 km/h
5-10-5 Agility: ≤ 4.50 sec
Vertical Jump: ≥ 26–30 inches
Strength: ≥ 1.8× bodyweight squat
👉 You can be slightly slower—but not slow enough to get exposed in space.
⚽ STRIKERS (Varies by type)
Speed-Based Striker
0–10m: ≤ 1.70 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 32 km/h
Agility: ≤ 4.35 sec
Hold-Up / Technical Striker
0–10m: ≤ 1.80 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 29–30 km/h
Strength: High (duels, shielding)
👉 You can lack speed if you bring elite finishing, positioning, or strength.

Overall
No major movement inefficiencies (poor decel, upright running, etc.)
⚠️ Important Reality
These are entry-level thresholds, not what pros actually average
Most D1/pro players are above these in multiple areas
Players below these must compensate with:
Elite technical ability
Elite decision-making
Or a standout trait

Comedy at it's best

No wonder we can't produce world class players

Your argument about Spain is laughable as well. They haven’t won a World Cup since 2010 because they haven’t had any top tier athletes which is needed to score. Even looking at their 2010 run they didn’t score goals. Averaged probably like 1.2 goals a game. However they did have elite athletes defensively which made their defense so strong. There is a very high skill attributes needed no doubt but what separates you at the highest level from other pros is usually athletic ability.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't expect much in HS soccer, no matter how good your kid is. 9th/10th grader playing high level ball doesn't translate into standout in HS because it's 100% speed and size. Now, when your young ecnl/mlsnext player is a 11/12 grader they will dominate because the size/speed thing isn't an issue anymore.

Don't invest time into guessing why my skilled freshman isn't playing, he's prob just not fast or big enough. Keep supporting their efforts!

This is true for most but if they can figure it out and adapt to the pace at a young age they are going to be special. If you think high school is a track meet, you should really go watch the college game all these mls next player/parents want there kid to play. It is very sloppy and looks more like a high school game with extreme pressing for 90 minutes. watch the UVA vs VT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMwYpCj2WqA

I was going to say. Isn't speed and athleticism where the game ultimately goes for all these players? We focus on skill, mind set and understanding of the game but aren't those prerequisites for what is ultimately a grueling physical sport determined by quickness, speed, power and toughness?

No

You obviously don't know what quality high level soccer is.

You just described tackle football and rugby

Huh? Educate me about what high level soccer is. Americans are the only people that believe soccer isn't about toughness, grit and yes, athleticism. Nobody plays "quality high level soccer" without those attributes.

Then explain how Spain won the World Cup if you need NFL Linebackers

Ha! This is a primitive attempt to shift the goal posts into an argument you can win. I simple said they have to be elite athletes where speed, quickness and athleticism ultimately reign supreme -- you know like, in the top leagues around the world. Your unsubstantiated leap to football is rejected but I'm happy to hear you explain how I'm wrong on the merits of my argument where ever you are ready. Nice try though.

Ball control and mastery, IQ, Decision-making, tactical knowledge, reading the game with anticipation, passing, vision are just some of the things that come before running speed and jumping ability for the best soccer players

The ignorant amateurs think speed in soccer is same as track and field.
It's speed of thought and execution, not flat out running.

Johan Cruyff said it best, he was faster in his mind thinking of the next move before his opponent.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't expect much in HS soccer, no matter how good your kid is. 9th/10th grader playing high level ball doesn't translate into standout in HS because it's 100% speed and size. Now, when your young ecnl/mlsnext player is a 11/12 grader they will dominate because the size/speed thing isn't an issue anymore.

Don't invest time into guessing why my skilled freshman isn't playing, he's prob just not fast or big enough. Keep supporting their efforts!

This is true for most but if they can figure it out and adapt to the pace at a young age they are going to be special. If you think high school is a track meet, you should really go watch the college game all these mls next player/parents want there kid to play. It is very sloppy and looks more like a high school game with extreme pressing for 90 minutes. watch the UVA vs VT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMwYpCj2WqA

I was going to say. Isn't speed and athleticism where the game ultimately goes for all these players? We focus on skill, mind set and understanding of the game but aren't those prerequisites for what is ultimately a grueling physical sport determined by quickness, speed, power and toughness?

No

You obviously don't know what quality high level soccer is.

You just described tackle football and rugby

Huh? Educate me about what high level soccer is. Americans are the only people that believe soccer isn't about toughness, grit and yes, athleticism. Nobody plays "quality high level soccer" without those attributes.

Then explain how Spain won the World Cup if you need NFL Linebackers

Ha! This is a primitive attempt to shift the goal posts into an argument you can win. I simple said they have to be elite athletes where speed, quickness and athleticism ultimately reign supreme -- you know like, in the top leagues around the world. Your unsubstantiated leap to football is rejected but I'm happy to hear you explain how I'm wrong on the merits of my argument where ever you are ready. Nice try though.

Ball control and mastery, IQ, Decision-making, tactical knowledge, reading the game with anticipation, passing, vision are just some of the things that come before running speed and jumping ability for the best soccer players

The ignorant amateurs think speed in soccer is same as track and field.
It's speed of thought and execution, not flat out running.

Johan Cruyff said it best, he was faster in his mind thinking of the next move before his opponent.

I don't recall any reference to jumping but if it you believe it strengthens your argument, fine.

I would say the you are outlining prerequisites and I'm identifying differentiators. Cryuff STOPPED playing 50 years ago! I'm no expert on his athleticism but today's stars are all super athletes.

Please list all the objective measurable elements of a "super athlete" so we can all be on the same page.

Then tell us how all the current professional players meet this criteria.

I'm curious about the answers to this too to see how far or near my DS is

D1 / PRO MINIMUM ATHLETIC BENCHMARKS (BY POSITION)
🪽 WINGERS / FULLBACKS (Highest demand)
0–10m Acceleration: ≤ 1.70 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 32 km/h (20 mph)
5-10-5 Agility: ≤ 4.35 sec
Repeat Sprint Drop-off: ≤ 7%
Endurance (Yo-Yo): ≥ 2200m
(Test: Yo-Yo Intermittent Recovery Test Level 1)
👉 If you’re under these, it’s very hard to survive wide.
🎯 CENTER MIDFIELDERS (Engine + Agility)
0–10m Acceleration: ≤ 1.75 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 30–31 km/h
5-10-5 Agility: ≤ 4.40 sec
Repeat Sprint Drop-off: ≤ 6% (very important)
Endurance (Yo-Yo): ≥ 2300–2500m
👉 You don’t need elite speed—but you must cover ground and turn efficiently.
🛡️ CENTER BACKS (Power + Positioning)
0–10m Acceleration: ≤ 1.80 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 30 km/h
5-10-5 Agility: ≤ 4.50 sec
Vertical Jump: ≥ 26–30 inches
Strength: ≥ 1.8× bodyweight squat
👉 You can be slightly slower—but not slow enough to get exposed in space.
⚽ STRIKERS (Varies by type)
Speed-Based Striker
0–10m: ≤ 1.70 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 32 km/h
Agility: ≤ 4.35 sec
Hold-Up / Technical Striker
0–10m: ≤ 1.80 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 29–30 km/h
Strength: High (duels, shielding)
👉 You can lack speed if you bring elite finishing, positioning, or strength.

Overall
No major movement inefficiencies (poor decel, upright running, etc.)
⚠️ Important Reality
These are entry-level thresholds, not what pros actually average
Most D1/pro players are above these in multiple areas
Players below these must compensate with:
Elite technical ability
Elite decision-making
Or a standout trait

Comedy at it's best

No wonder we can't produce world class players

Your argument about Spain is laughable as well. They haven’t won a World Cup since 2010 because they haven’t had any top tier athletes which is needed to score. Even looking at their 2010 run they didn’t score goals. Averaged probably like 1.2 goals a game. However they did have elite athletes defensively which made their defense so strong. There is a very high skill attributes needed no doubt but what separates you at the highest level from other pros is usually athletic ability.

Spain are the current European champions and Argentina are the current world champions

Neither are known for super athletes

You need to go to the ECNL thread and argue about SY vs GY and stop pretending to know soccer

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Anonymous wrote:Don't expect much in HS soccer, no matter how good your kid is. 9th/10th grader playing high level ball doesn't translate into standout in HS because it's 100% speed and size. Now, when your young ecnl/mlsnext player is a 11/12 grader they will dominate because the size/speed thing isn't an issue anymore.

Don't invest time into guessing why my skilled freshman isn't playing, he's prob just not fast or big enough. Keep supporting their efforts!

This is true for most but if they can figure it out and adapt to the pace at a young age they are going to be special. If you think high school is a track meet, you should really go watch the college game all these mls next player/parents want there kid to play. It is very sloppy and looks more like a high school game with extreme pressing for 90 minutes. watch the UVA vs VT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMwYpCj2WqA

I was going to say. Isn't speed and athleticism where the game ultimately goes for all these players? We focus on skill, mind set and understanding of the game but aren't those prerequisites for what is ultimately a grueling physical sport determined by quickness, speed, power and toughness?

No

You obviously don't know what quality high level soccer is.

You just described tackle football and rugby

Huh? Educate me about what high level soccer is. Americans are the only people that believe soccer isn't about toughness, grit and yes, athleticism. Nobody plays "quality high level soccer" without those attributes.

Then explain how Spain won the World Cup if you need NFL Linebackers

Ha! This is a primitive attempt to shift the goal posts into an argument you can win. I simple said they have to be elite athletes where speed, quickness and athleticism ultimately reign supreme -- you know like, in the top leagues around the world. Your unsubstantiated leap to football is rejected but I'm happy to hear you explain how I'm wrong on the merits of my argument where ever you are ready. Nice try though.

Ball control and mastery, IQ, Decision-making, tactical knowledge, reading the game with anticipation, passing, vision are just some of the things that come before running speed and jumping ability for the best soccer players

The ignorant amateurs think speed in soccer is same as track and field.
It's speed of thought and execution, not flat out running.

Johan Cruyff said it best, he was faster in his mind thinking of the next move before his opponent.

Well first off Cruyff was extremely quick and agile. However the game has become much more athletic since his time. And biggest thing is all of the attributes can be improved much easier than physical attributes. Yes they matter but a lot of players have extreme game iq but can’t play professional at a high level bc of physical attributes.

Johan Cruyff’s famous quote on speed is:

"Speed is often confused with insight. When I start running earlier than the others, I appear faster".

This emphasizes his philosophy that mental anticipation, positioning, and intelligence are more valuable in football than mere physical acceleration.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't expect much in HS soccer, no matter how good your kid is. 9th/10th grader playing high level ball doesn't translate into standout in HS because it's 100% speed and size. Now, when your young ecnl/mlsnext player is a 11/12 grader they will dominate because the size/speed thing isn't an issue anymore.

Don't invest time into guessing why my skilled freshman isn't playing, he's prob just not fast or big enough. Keep supporting their efforts!

This is true for most but if they can figure it out and adapt to the pace at a young age they are going to be special. If you think high school is a track meet, you should really go watch the college game all these mls next player/parents want there kid to play. It is very sloppy and looks more like a high school game with extreme pressing for 90 minutes. watch the UVA vs VT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMwYpCj2WqA

I was going to say. Isn't speed and athleticism where the game ultimately goes for all these players? We focus on skill, mind set and understanding of the game but aren't those prerequisites for what is ultimately a grueling physical sport determined by quickness, speed, power and toughness?

No

You obviously don't know what quality high level soccer is.

You just described tackle football and rugby

Huh? Educate me about what high level soccer is. Americans are the only people that believe soccer isn't about toughness, grit and yes, athleticism. Nobody plays "quality high level soccer" without those attributes.

Then explain how Spain won the World Cup if you need NFL Linebackers

Ha! This is a primitive attempt to shift the goal posts into an argument you can win. I simple said they have to be elite athletes where speed, quickness and athleticism ultimately reign supreme -- you know like, in the top leagues around the world. Your unsubstantiated leap to football is rejected but I'm happy to hear you explain how I'm wrong on the merits of my argument where ever you are ready. Nice try though.

Ball control and mastery, IQ, Decision-making, tactical knowledge, reading the game with anticipation, passing, vision are just some of the things that come before running speed and jumping ability for the best soccer players

The ignorant amateurs think speed in soccer is same as track and field.
It's speed of thought and execution, not flat out running.

Johan Cruyff said it best, he was faster in his mind thinking of the next move before his opponent.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't expect much in HS soccer, no matter how good your kid is. 9th/10th grader playing high level ball doesn't translate into standout in HS because it's 100% speed and size. Now, when your young ecnl/mlsnext player is a 11/12 grader they will dominate because the size/speed thing isn't an issue anymore.

Don't invest time into guessing why my skilled freshman isn't playing, he's prob just not fast or big enough. Keep supporting their efforts!

This is true for most but if they can figure it out and adapt to the pace at a young age they are going to be special. If you think high school is a track meet, you should really go watch the college game all these mls next player/parents want there kid to play. It is very sloppy and looks more like a high school game with extreme pressing for 90 minutes. watch the UVA vs VT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMwYpCj2WqA

I was going to say. Isn't speed and athleticism where the game ultimately goes for all these players? We focus on skill, mind set and understanding of the game but aren't those prerequisites for what is ultimately a grueling physical sport determined by quickness, speed, power and toughness?

No

You obviously don't know what quality high level soccer is.

You just described tackle football and rugby

Huh? Educate me about what high level soccer is. Americans are the only people that believe soccer isn't about toughness, grit and yes, athleticism. Nobody plays "quality high level soccer" without those attributes.

Then explain how Spain won the World Cup if you need NFL Linebackers

Ha! This is a primitive attempt to shift the goal posts into an argument you can win. I simple said they have to be elite athletes where speed, quickness and athleticism ultimately reign supreme -- you know like, in the top leagues around the world. Your unsubstantiated leap to football is rejected but I'm happy to hear you explain how I'm wrong on the merits of my argument where ever you are ready. Nice try though.

Ball control and mastery, IQ, Decision-making, tactical knowledge, reading the game with anticipation, passing, vision are just some of the things that come before running speed and jumping ability for the best soccer players

The ignorant amateurs think speed in soccer is same as track and field.
It's speed of thought and execution, not flat out running.

Johan Cruyff said it best, he was faster in his mind thinking of the next move before his opponent.

I don't recall any reference to jumping but if it you believe it strengthens your argument, fine.

I would say the you are outlining prerequisites and I'm identifying differentiators. Cryuff STOPPED playing 50 years ago! I'm no expert on his athleticism but today's stars are all super athletes.

Please list all the objective measurable elements of a "super athlete" so we can all be on the same page.

Then tell us how all the current professional players meet this criteria.

I'm curious about the answers to this too to see how far or near my DS is

D1 / PRO MINIMUM ATHLETIC BENCHMARKS (BY POSITION)
🪽 WINGERS / FULLBACKS (Highest demand)
0–10m Acceleration: ≤ 1.70 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 32 km/h (20 mph)
5-10-5 Agility: ≤ 4.35 sec
Repeat Sprint Drop-off: ≤ 7%
Endurance (Yo-Yo): ≥ 2200m
(Test: Yo-Yo Intermittent Recovery Test Level 1)
👉 If you’re under these, it’s very hard to survive wide.
🎯 CENTER MIDFIELDERS (Engine + Agility)
0–10m Acceleration: ≤ 1.75 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 30–31 km/h
5-10-5 Agility: ≤ 4.40 sec
Repeat Sprint Drop-off: ≤ 6% (very important)
Endurance (Yo-Yo): ≥ 2300–2500m
👉 You don’t need elite speed—but you must cover ground and turn efficiently.
🛡️ CENTER BACKS (Power + Positioning)
0–10m Acceleration: ≤ 1.80 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 30 km/h
5-10-5 Agility: ≤ 4.50 sec
Vertical Jump: ≥ 26–30 inches
Strength: ≥ 1.8× bodyweight squat
👉 You can be slightly slower—but not slow enough to get exposed in space.
⚽ STRIKERS (Varies by type)
Speed-Based Striker
0–10m: ≤ 1.70 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 32 km/h
Agility: ≤ 4.35 sec
Hold-Up / Technical Striker
0–10m: ≤ 1.80 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 29–30 km/h
Strength: High (duels, shielding)
👉 You can lack speed if you bring elite finishing, positioning, or strength.

Overall
No major movement inefficiencies (poor decel, upright running, etc.)
⚠️ Important Reality
These are entry-level thresholds, not what pros actually average
Most D1/pro players are above these in multiple areas
Players below these must compensate with:
Elite technical ability
Elite decision-making
Or a standout trait

Comedy at it's best

No wonder we can't produce world class players

Your argument about Spain is laughable as well. They haven’t won a World Cup since 2010 because they haven’t had any top tier athletes which is needed to score. Even looking at their 2010 run they didn’t score goals. Averaged probably like 1.2 goals a game. However they did have elite athletes defensively which made their defense so strong. There is a very high skill attributes needed no doubt but what separates you at the highest level from other pros is usually athletic ability.

Spain are the current European champions and Argentina are the current world champions

Neither are known for super athletes

You need to go to the ECNL thread and argue about SY vs GY and stop pretending to know soccer

I went through all of the starters on Argentina’s World Cup starting 11 and every single one of them max speed recorded in game was higher than the previous posters criteria of over 30km/h. Yes they are not considered the fastest squad but all of these guys are very fast. Less than 1-2% of the population would be able to get this speed. Which already knocks out 90-95% of male athletes.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't expect much in HS soccer, no matter how good your kid is. 9th/10th grader playing high level ball doesn't translate into standout in HS because it's 100% speed and size. Now, when your young ecnl/mlsnext player is a 11/12 grader they will dominate because the size/speed thing isn't an issue anymore.

Don't invest time into guessing why my skilled freshman isn't playing, he's prob just not fast or big enough. Keep supporting their efforts!

This is true for most but if they can figure it out and adapt to the pace at a young age they are going to be special. If you think high school is a track meet, you should really go watch the college game all these mls next player/parents want there kid to play. It is very sloppy and looks more like a high school game with extreme pressing for 90 minutes. watch the UVA vs VT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMwYpCj2WqA

I was going to say. Isn't speed and athleticism where the game ultimately goes for all these players? We focus on skill, mind set and understanding of the game but aren't those prerequisites for what is ultimately a grueling physical sport determined by quickness, speed, power and toughness?

No

You obviously don't know what quality high level soccer is.

You just described tackle football and rugby

Huh? Educate me about what high level soccer is. Americans are the only people that believe soccer isn't about toughness, grit and yes, athleticism. Nobody plays "quality high level soccer" without those attributes.

Then explain how Spain won the World Cup if you need NFL Linebackers

Ha! This is a primitive attempt to shift the goal posts into an argument you can win. I simple said they have to be elite athletes where speed, quickness and athleticism ultimately reign supreme -- you know like, in the top leagues around the world. Your unsubstantiated leap to football is rejected but I'm happy to hear you explain how I'm wrong on the merits of my argument where ever you are ready. Nice try though.

Ball control and mastery, IQ, Decision-making, tactical knowledge, reading the game with anticipation, passing, vision are just some of the things that come before running speed and jumping ability for the best soccer players

The ignorant amateurs think speed in soccer is same as track and field.
It's speed of thought and execution, not flat out running.

Johan Cruyff said it best, he was faster in his mind thinking of the next move before his opponent.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't expect much in HS soccer, no matter how good your kid is. 9th/10th grader playing high level ball doesn't translate into standout in HS because it's 100% speed and size. Now, when your young ecnl/mlsnext player is a 11/12 grader they will dominate because the size/speed thing isn't an issue anymore.

Don't invest time into guessing why my skilled freshman isn't playing, he's prob just not fast or big enough. Keep supporting their efforts!

This is true for most but if they can figure it out and adapt to the pace at a young age they are going to be special. If you think high school is a track meet, you should really go watch the college game all these mls next player/parents want there kid to play. It is very sloppy and looks more like a high school game with extreme pressing for 90 minutes. watch the UVA vs VT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMwYpCj2WqA

I was going to say. Isn't speed and athleticism where the game ultimately goes for all these players? We focus on skill, mind set and understanding of the game but aren't those prerequisites for what is ultimately a grueling physical sport determined by quickness, speed, power and toughness?

No

You obviously don't know what quality high level soccer is.

You just described tackle football and rugby

Huh? Educate me about what high level soccer is. Americans are the only people that believe soccer isn't about toughness, grit and yes, athleticism. Nobody plays "quality high level soccer" without those attributes.

Then explain how Spain won the World Cup if you need NFL Linebackers

Ha! This is a primitive attempt to shift the goal posts into an argument you can win. I simple said they have to be elite athletes where speed, quickness and athleticism ultimately reign supreme -- you know like, in the top leagues around the world. Your unsubstantiated leap to football is rejected but I'm happy to hear you explain how I'm wrong on the merits of my argument where ever you are ready. Nice try though.

Ball control and mastery, IQ, Decision-making, tactical knowledge, reading the game with anticipation, passing, vision are just some of the things that come before running speed and jumping ability for the best soccer players

The ignorant amateurs think speed in soccer is same as track and field.
It's speed of thought and execution, not flat out running.

Johan Cruyff said it best, he was faster in his mind thinking of the next move before his opponent.

I don't recall any reference to jumping but if it you believe it strengthens your argument, fine.

I would say the you are outlining prerequisites and I'm identifying differentiators. Cryuff STOPPED playing 50 years ago! I'm no expert on his athleticism but today's stars are all super athletes.

Please list all the objective measurable elements of a "super athlete" so we can all be on the same page.

Then tell us how all the current professional players meet this criteria.

I'm curious about the answers to this too to see how far or near my DS is

D1 / PRO MINIMUM ATHLETIC BENCHMARKS (BY POSITION)
🪽 WINGERS / FULLBACKS (Highest demand)
0–10m Acceleration: ≤ 1.70 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 32 km/h (20 mph)
5-10-5 Agility: ≤ 4.35 sec
Repeat Sprint Drop-off: ≤ 7%
Endurance (Yo-Yo): ≥ 2200m
(Test: Yo-Yo Intermittent Recovery Test Level 1)
👉 If you’re under these, it’s very hard to survive wide.
🎯 CENTER MIDFIELDERS (Engine + Agility)
0–10m Acceleration: ≤ 1.75 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 30–31 km/h
5-10-5 Agility: ≤ 4.40 sec
Repeat Sprint Drop-off: ≤ 6% (very important)
Endurance (Yo-Yo): ≥ 2300–2500m
👉 You don’t need elite speed—but you must cover ground and turn efficiently.
🛡️ CENTER BACKS (Power + Positioning)
0–10m Acceleration: ≤ 1.80 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 30 km/h
5-10-5 Agility: ≤ 4.50 sec
Vertical Jump: ≥ 26–30 inches
Strength: ≥ 1.8× bodyweight squat
👉 You can be slightly slower—but not slow enough to get exposed in space.
⚽ STRIKERS (Varies by type)
Speed-Based Striker
0–10m: ≤ 1.70 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 32 km/h
Agility: ≤ 4.35 sec
Hold-Up / Technical Striker
0–10m: ≤ 1.80 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 29–30 km/h
Strength: High (duels, shielding)
👉 You can lack speed if you bring elite finishing, positioning, or strength.

Overall
No major movement inefficiencies (poor decel, upright running, etc.)
⚠️ Important Reality
These are entry-level thresholds, not what pros actually average
Most D1/pro players are above these in multiple areas
Players below these must compensate with:
Elite technical ability
Elite decision-making
Or a standout trait

Comedy at it's best

No wonder we can't produce world class players

Your argument about Spain is laughable as well. They haven’t won a World Cup since 2010 because they haven’t had any top tier athletes which is needed to score. Even looking at their 2010 run they didn’t score goals. Averaged probably like 1.2 goals a game. However they did have elite athletes defensively which made their defense so strong. There is a very high skill attributes needed no doubt but what separates you at the highest level from other pros is usually athletic ability.

Spain are the current European champions and Argentina are the current world champions

Neither are known for super athletes

You need to go to the ECNL thread and argue about SY vs GY and stop pretending to know soccer

I went through all of the starters on Argentina’s World Cup starting 11 and every single one of them max speed recorded in game was higher than the previous posters criteria of over 30km/h. Yes they are not considered the fastest squad but all of these guys are very fast. Less than 1-2% of the population would be able to get this speed. Which already knocks out 90-95% of male athletes.

Shocker!
Top professional and international soccer players are athletic

Athleticism is obviously a part of the game, but if athleticism was the most important the US would have several world cup trophies

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Anonymous wrote:Don't expect much in HS soccer, no matter how good your kid is. 9th/10th grader playing high level ball doesn't translate into standout in HS because it's 100% speed and size. Now, when your young ecnl/mlsnext player is a 11/12 grader they will dominate because the size/speed thing isn't an issue anymore.

Don't invest time into guessing why my skilled freshman isn't playing, he's prob just not fast or big enough. Keep supporting their efforts!

This is true for most but if they can figure it out and adapt to the pace at a young age they are going to be special. If you think high school is a track meet, you should really go watch the college game all these mls next player/parents want there kid to play. It is very sloppy and looks more like a high school game with extreme pressing for 90 minutes. watch the UVA vs VT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMwYpCj2WqA

I was going to say. Isn't speed and athleticism where the game ultimately goes for all these players? We focus on skill, mind set and understanding of the game but aren't those prerequisites for what is ultimately a grueling physical sport determined by quickness, speed, power and toughness?

No

You obviously don't know what quality high level soccer is.

You just described tackle football and rugby

Huh? Educate me about what high level soccer is. Americans are the only people that believe soccer isn't about toughness, grit and yes, athleticism. Nobody plays "quality high level soccer" without those attributes.

Then explain how Spain won the World Cup if you need NFL Linebackers

Ha! This is a primitive attempt to shift the goal posts into an argument you can win. I simple said they have to be elite athletes where speed, quickness and athleticism ultimately reign supreme -- you know like, in the top leagues around the world. Your unsubstantiated leap to football is rejected but I'm happy to hear you explain how I'm wrong on the merits of my argument where ever you are ready. Nice try though.

Ball control and mastery, IQ, Decision-making, tactical knowledge, reading the game with anticipation, passing, vision are just some of the things that come before running speed and jumping ability for the best soccer players

The ignorant amateurs think speed in soccer is same as track and field.
It's speed of thought and execution, not flat out running.

Johan Cruyff said it best, he was faster in his mind thinking of the next move before his opponent.

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Don't expect much in HS soccer, no matter how good your kid is. 9th/10th grader playing high level ball doesn't translate into standout in HS because it's 100% speed and size. Now, when your young ecnl/mlsnext player is a 11/12 grader they will dominate because the size/speed thing isn't an issue anymore.

Don't invest time into guessing why my skilled freshman isn't playing, he's prob just not fast or big enough. Keep supporting their efforts!

This is true for most but if they can figure it out and adapt to the pace at a young age they are going to be special. If you think high school is a track meet, you should really go watch the college game all these mls next player/parents want there kid to play. It is very sloppy and looks more like a high school game with extreme pressing for 90 minutes. watch the UVA vs VT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMwYpCj2WqA

I was going to say. Isn't speed and athleticism where the game ultimately goes for all these players? We focus on skill, mind set and understanding of the game but aren't those prerequisites for what is ultimately a grueling physical sport determined by quickness, speed, power and toughness?

No

You obviously don't know what quality high level soccer is.

You just described tackle football and rugby

Huh? Educate me about what high level soccer is. Americans are the only people that believe soccer isn't about toughness, grit and yes, athleticism. Nobody plays "quality high level soccer" without those attributes.

Then explain how Spain won the World Cup if you need NFL Linebackers

Ha! This is a primitive attempt to shift the goal posts into an argument you can win. I simple said they have to be elite athletes where speed, quickness and athleticism ultimately reign supreme -- you know like, in the top leagues around the world. Your unsubstantiated leap to football is rejected but I'm happy to hear you explain how I'm wrong on the merits of my argument where ever you are ready. Nice try though.

Ball control and mastery, IQ, Decision-making, tactical knowledge, reading the game with anticipation, passing, vision are just some of the things that come before running speed and jumping ability for the best soccer players

The ignorant amateurs think speed in soccer is same as track and field.
It's speed of thought and execution, not flat out running.

Johan Cruyff said it best, he was faster in his mind thinking of the next move before his opponent.

I don't recall any reference to jumping but if it you believe it strengthens your argument, fine.

I would say the you are outlining prerequisites and I'm identifying differentiators. Cryuff STOPPED playing 50 years ago! I'm no expert on his athleticism but today's stars are all super athletes.

Please list all the objective measurable elements of a "super athlete" so we can all be on the same page.

Then tell us how all the current professional players meet this criteria.

I'm curious about the answers to this too to see how far or near my DS is

D1 / PRO MINIMUM ATHLETIC BENCHMARKS (BY POSITION)
🪽 WINGERS / FULLBACKS (Highest demand)
0–10m Acceleration: ≤ 1.70 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 32 km/h (20 mph)
5-10-5 Agility: ≤ 4.35 sec
Repeat Sprint Drop-off: ≤ 7%
Endurance (Yo-Yo): ≥ 2200m
(Test: Yo-Yo Intermittent Recovery Test Level 1)
👉 If you’re under these, it’s very hard to survive wide.
🎯 CENTER MIDFIELDERS (Engine + Agility)
0–10m Acceleration: ≤ 1.75 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 30–31 km/h
5-10-5 Agility: ≤ 4.40 sec
Repeat Sprint Drop-off: ≤ 6% (very important)
Endurance (Yo-Yo): ≥ 2300–2500m
👉 You don’t need elite speed—but you must cover ground and turn efficiently.
🛡️ CENTER BACKS (Power + Positioning)
0–10m Acceleration: ≤ 1.80 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 30 km/h
5-10-5 Agility: ≤ 4.50 sec
Vertical Jump: ≥ 26–30 inches
Strength: ≥ 1.8× bodyweight squat
👉 You can be slightly slower—but not slow enough to get exposed in space.
⚽ STRIKERS (Varies by type)
Speed-Based Striker
0–10m: ≤ 1.70 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 32 km/h
Agility: ≤ 4.35 sec
Hold-Up / Technical Striker
0–10m: ≤ 1.80 sec
Top Speed: ≥ 29–30 km/h
Strength: High (duels, shielding)
👉 You can lack speed if you bring elite finishing, positioning, or strength.

Overall
No major movement inefficiencies (poor decel, upright running, etc.)
⚠️ Important Reality
These are entry-level thresholds, not what pros actually average
Most D1/pro players are above these in multiple areas
Players below these must compensate with:
Elite technical ability
Elite decision-making
Or a standout trait

Comedy at it's best

No wonder we can't produce world class players

Your argument about Spain is laughable as well. They haven’t won a World Cup since 2010 because they haven’t had any top tier athletes which is needed to score. Even looking at their 2010 run they didn’t score goals. Averaged probably like 1.2 goals a game. However they did have elite athletes defensively which made their defense so strong. There is a very high skill attributes needed no doubt but what separates you at the highest level from other pros is usually athletic ability.

Spain are the current European champions and Argentina are the current world champions

Neither are known for super athletes

You need to go to the ECNL thread and argue about SY vs GY and stop pretending to know soccer

I went through all of the starters on Argentina’s World Cup starting 11 and every single one of them max speed recorded in game was higher than the previous posters criteria of over 30km/h. Yes they are not considered the fastest squad but all of these guys are very fast. Less than 1-2% of the population would be able to get this speed. Which already knocks out 90-95% of male athletes.

Shocker!
Top professional and international soccer players are athletic

Athleticism is obviously a part of the game, but if athleticism was the most important the US would have several world cup trophies

Yes sure it’s not everything but if I went to a top mls next team they are only going to have 2-3 players that are even athletic enough to play professional soccer even in MLS. Even the slow players are insanely fast. And these MLS next coaches and organizations making these promises are lying to parents. 30-40% of the MLS next kids don’t play any college and many can’t even see the field on a division 3 team and quit after a year or two. Let them enjoy themselves and be great in high school soccer and have those memories for a lifetime. Putting all that hard work and time and never being something other than an average player on your club team is so sad