If you could know the truth about any unsolved mystery, which would it be?

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like Burke accidentally whacking JB too hard is most likely scenario, but what trips me up here is the staging of the body afterward. I can maybe see the parent(s) applying the duct tape and wrist ties... but not the business with the garotte and the paintbrush, nor can I see a little kid Burke's age coming up with that. I just can't picture loving parents doing that to their child even as part of staging a crime scene.

I just watched the first episode and it doesn’t add up. Her wrists were not lightly bound; but very tight. Those neck wounds from the garret (which took quite a bit of skill). She was alive when the garter was made (her hair was caught in it) and the neck torture occurred at about the same time as the head trauma. The autopsy tells a story of torture, not an accidental wack on the head after she stole a piece of Burke’s pineapple or a “cover up.” Patsy comes across as a complete liar and the Fad comes across as innocent-ish. Burke is clearly autistic but that doesn’t make him a psychopath. I would pick Patsy if it wasn’t for the sexual assault with the paintbrush. It had to be the Dad.

And the fact that the police got the DNA results that exonerated all three Ramseys and suppressed that? That DNA was found under her fingernails and on her underwear that belonged to an unidentified male? And that Boulder police planted stories with friendly reporters that were fake implying the Ramseys did it?

Well there is no denying patsy wrote the letter. The letter is the key. So…?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like Burke accidentally whacking JB too hard is most likely scenario, but what trips me up here is the staging of the body afterward. I can maybe see the parent(s) applying the duct tape and wrist ties... but not the business with the garotte and the paintbrush, nor can I see a little kid Burke's age coming up with that. I just can't picture loving parents doing that to their child even as part of staging a crime scene.

I just watched the first episode and it doesn’t add up. Her wrists were not lightly bound; but very tight. Those neck wounds from the garret (which took quite a bit of skill). She was alive when the garter was made (her hair was caught in it) and the neck torture occurred at about the same time as the head trauma. The autopsy tells a story of torture, not an accidental wack on the head after she stole a piece of Burke’s pineapple or a “cover up.” Patsy comes across as a complete liar and the Fad comes across as innocent-ish. Burke is clearly autistic but that doesn’t make him a psychopath. I would pick Patsy if it wasn’t for the sexual assault with the paintbrush. It had to be the Dad.

And the fact that the police got the DNA results that exonerated all three Ramseys and suppressed that? That DNA was found under her fingernails and on her underwear that belonged to an unidentified male? And that Boulder police planted stories with friendly reporters that were fake implying the Ramseys did it?

Well there is no denying patsy wrote the letter. The letter is the key. So…?

That’s not true. You are repeating one of the planted stories. Handwriting experts disagreed about that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like Burke accidentally whacking JB too hard is most likely scenario, but what trips me up here is the staging of the body afterward. I can maybe see the parent(s) applying the duct tape and wrist ties... but not the business with the garotte and the paintbrush, nor can I see a little kid Burke's age coming up with that. I just can't picture loving parents doing that to their child even as part of staging a crime scene.

I just watched the first episode and it doesn’t add up. Her wrists were not lightly bound; but very tight. Those neck wounds from the garret (which took quite a bit of skill). She was alive when the garter was made (her hair was caught in it) and the neck torture occurred at about the same time as the head trauma. The autopsy tells a story of torture, not an accidental wack on the head after she stole a piece of Burke’s pineapple or a “cover up.” Patsy comes across as a complete liar and the Fad comes across as innocent-ish. Burke is clearly autistic but that doesn’t make him a psychopath. I would pick Patsy if it wasn’t for the sexual assault with the paintbrush. It had to be the Dad.

And the fact that the police got the DNA results that exonerated all three Ramseys and suppressed that? That DNA was found under her fingernails and on her underwear that belonged to an unidentified male? And that Boulder police planted stories with friendly reporters that were fake implying the Ramseys did it?

Well there is no denying patsy wrote the letter. The letter is the key. So…?

Watch the Netflix series. So many “facts” were leaked by Boulder police that were dead false, including that Patsy wrote the note. I’m on the second episode. Everything I thought I knew about the case is wrong. 4 handwriting experts (including one from the FBI) said she didn’t write it. No footprints in the snow! Because there was no snow in back where the window was broken. Biggest of all: The police suppressed the DNA evidence that excluded the family and ID’d an unknown male—on her underpants. Plus her pediatrician said there was zero physical evidence of any prior sexual abuse.

[Anonymous]

Is there a revived Jonbenet thread on dcum? I feel like discussion on this is taking over the thread but I have more questions.

Nothing has convinced me it was someone outside the family; the crime itself was weird and personal, the note was downright bizarre, and the Ramseys behavior was strange (why didn’t they wake up Burke to ask if he knew where she was? Why didn’t they ask him if he saw or heard anything when he was downstairs alone that night?). I know the Netflix pr piece is out now but it feels like a rehash of everything we already know.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like Burke accidentally whacking JB too hard is most likely scenario, but what trips me up here is the staging of the body afterward. I can maybe see the parent(s) applying the duct tape and wrist ties... but not the business with the garotte and the paintbrush, nor can I see a little kid Burke's age coming up with that. I just can't picture loving parents doing that to their child even as part of staging a crime scene.

I just watched the first episode and it doesn’t add up. Her wrists were not lightly bound; but very tight. Those neck wounds from the garret (which took quite a bit of skill). She was alive when the garter was made (her hair was caught in it) and the neck torture occurred at about the same time as the head trauma. The autopsy tells a story of torture, not an accidental wack on the head after she stole a piece of Burke’s pineapple or a “cover up.” Patsy comes across as a complete liar and the Fad comes across as innocent-ish. Burke is clearly autistic but that doesn’t make him a psychopath. I would pick Patsy if it wasn’t for the sexual assault with the paintbrush. It had to be the Dad.

And the fact that the police got the DNA results that exonerated all three Ramseys and suppressed that? That DNA was found under her fingernails and on her underwear that belonged to an unidentified male? And that Boulder police planted stories with friendly reporters that were fake implying the Ramseys did it?

Do you have more info about the DNA? I had read that it was “touch DNA” that could have been from whoever manufactured the underwear, and that it was not enough to make the police think anyone else had really touched her body

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like Burke accidentally whacking JB too hard is most likely scenario, but what trips me up here is the staging of the body afterward. I can maybe see the parent(s) applying the duct tape and wrist ties... but not the business with the garotte and the paintbrush, nor can I see a little kid Burke's age coming up with that. I just can't picture loving parents doing that to their child even as part of staging a crime scene.

I just watched the first episode and it doesn’t add up. Her wrists were not lightly bound; but very tight. Those neck wounds from the garret (which took quite a bit of skill). She was alive when the garter was made (her hair was caught in it) and the neck torture occurred at about the same time as the head trauma. The autopsy tells a story of torture, not an accidental wack on the head after she stole a piece of Burke’s pineapple or a “cover up.” Patsy comes across as a complete liar and the Fad comes across as innocent-ish. Burke is clearly autistic but that doesn’t make him a psychopath. I would pick Patsy if it wasn’t for the sexual assault with the paintbrush. It had to be the Dad.

And the fact that the police got the DNA results that exonerated all three Ramseys and suppressed that? That DNA was found under her fingernails and on her underwear that belonged to an unidentified male? And that Boulder police planted stories with friendly reporters that were fake implying the Ramseys did it?

Well there is no denying patsy wrote the letter. The letter is the key. So…?

Watch the Netflix series. So many “facts” were leaked by Boulder police that were dead false, including that Patsy wrote the note. I’m on the second episode. Everything I thought I knew about the case is wrong. 4 handwriting experts (including one from the FBI) said she didn’t write it. No footprints in the snow! Because there was no snow in back where the window was broken. Biggest of all: The police suppressed the DNA evidence that excluded the family and ID’d an unknown male—on her underpants. Plus her pediatrician said there was zero physical evidence of any prior sexual abuse.

To be fair, I am a pediatrician, and you cannot tell from looking at a child whether or not they have been sexually abused. Certainly not during a routine physical exam. Did her pediatrician ever perform an in depth sexual assault exam? It’s unlikely he or she would have been trained and certified to do that. It’s usually performed at a hospital or through social services etc

[Anonymous]

I am thinking about how I would handle this as a parent if god forbid one of my kids was killed in my house and their siblings were here as well. I think I would definitely do everything I could to shield them from what is going on to lessen the trauma on them. I would not interrogate them and I would send them to a trusted friend's house. Burke was only 9. He was not a teenager.

I do not think it was anyone in the family, though they were a weird family. Again, I think it was someone close to them, probably the guy who dressed up as Santa (who is dead now.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am thinking about how I would handle this as a parent if god forbid one of my kids was killed in my house and their siblings were here as well. I think I would definitely do everything I could to shield them from what is going on to lessen the trauma on them. I would not interrogate them and I would send them to a trusted friend's house. Burke was only 9. He was not a teenager.

I do not think it was anyone in the family, though they were a weird family. Again, I think it was someone close to them, probably the guy who dressed up as Santa (who is dead now.)

But if you woke up and one kid was MISSING, with a ransom note, and their sibling was asleep and you knew they sometimes slept in each others room-
You wouldn’t wake them up just to ask, did you see or hear anything?? You’d call the police, your friends, the police would ask to talk to your other child and you’d say no? Mind you this is while they supposedly thought she was missing and they needed to find her.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am thinking about how I would handle this as a parent if god forbid one of my kids was killed in my house and their siblings were here as well. I think I would definitely do everything I could to shield them from what is going on to lessen the trauma on them. I would not interrogate them and I would send them to a trusted friend's house. Burke was only 9. He was not a teenager.

I do not think it was anyone in the family, though they were a weird family. Again, I think it was someone close to them, probably the guy who dressed up as Santa (who is dead now.)

You do have a point about them being a weird family. Like how a dog died and they didn’t discuss it with the kids but just replaced the dog? I guess I could see a family like that who would just try to pretend nothing happened to their other child- let him sleep, send to friends house, try to go on vacation during the whole ordeal. I mean to me it sounds absolutely insane but I’d also never just replace a 6 and 9 year olds dog and try to pretend the first dog didn’t die!

[Anonymous]

Weird people become parents all the time and then make weird parenting decisions. Doesn't mean they killed their daughter.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If Burke did it, do you all think one day he will admit? He was a child. If he did, I doubt he was trying to kill her.

He would have admitted it by now.

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Anonymous wrote:Brad Pitt and Zahara, wtf happened on that plane!!!

Similarly, what was Solange so mad about on that elevator? It's pretty clear it's about Jay cheating, but was it related to Rachel Roy directly? Something else?

Also, I know the hive will come for me, but is Beyonce an automaton or what? It seems like she's completely devoid of personality anymore. That doc from a few years ago was just bizarre. Any theories there?

Beyonce has always been a performer, she was essentially a child star pushed by her parents. She didn’t have a typical childhood. Child/teen entertainers have a weird combination of being super sheltered from some typical teen stuff, and also exposed to way too much. Jay-Z has been her only adult romantic relationship her whole life and I do believe there was some degree of grooming going on there even if she was technically a legal adult. She’s definitely seen some s*** throughout the years and seems to process it by just staying quiet and only putting forward her public persona. Kind of reminds me of the K-Pop stars in a way. You won’t catch them being messy on Twitter and they only give perfect politician answers in interviews.

I find Beyonce's sister such a dramatic social climber. She needs to stay in her lane.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel like Burke accidentally whacking JB too hard is most likely scenario, but what trips me up here is the staging of the body afterward. I can maybe see the parent(s) applying the duct tape and wrist ties... but not the business with the garotte and the paintbrush, nor can I see a little kid Burke's age coming up with that. I just can't picture loving parents doing that to their child even as part of staging a crime scene.

I just watched the first episode and it doesn’t add up. Her wrists were not lightly bound; but very tight. Those neck wounds from the garret (which took quite a bit of skill). She was alive when the garter was made (her hair was caught in it) and the neck torture occurred at about the same time as the head trauma. The autopsy tells a story of torture, not an accidental wack on the head after she stole a piece of Burke’s pineapple or a “cover up.” Patsy comes across as a complete liar and the Fad comes across as innocent-ish. Burke is clearly autistic but that doesn’t make him a psychopath. I would pick Patsy if it wasn’t for the sexual assault with the paintbrush. It had to be the Dad.

And the fact that the police got the DNA results that exonerated all three Ramseys and suppressed that? That DNA was found under her fingernails and on her underwear that belonged to an unidentified male? And that Boulder police planted stories with friendly reporters that were fake implying the Ramseys did it?

Do you have more info about the DNA? I had read that it was “touch DNA” that could have been from whoever manufactured the underwear, and that it was not enough to make the police think anyone else had really touched her body

Under her fingernails too?

The police were obsessed with explaining away the DNA and tried to trace it back to the manufacturer. But how would that have gotten under her nails?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Also- why did the parents not wake up Burke to be like DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOUR SISTER IS DID YOU SEE OR HEAR ANYTHING. Especially considering they used to get into each others beds at night

Right, and they send him off to a friend's house with no concern about these supposed kidnappers? If they believe that because of John's business someone has literally kidnapped their child and threatened to execute them ... I would think they'd want their eye on the other kid.

Burke being sent away is why I think he had zero involvement. If he killed his sister accidentally or otherwise , and the parents wanted to cover for him, it seems like the last thing they'd do is send him off somewhere and trust that he wouldn't spill any sort of beans. He was only 9.

Exact same.

Anything he said at the friends house would be hearsay. Anything he said to police in the Ramsey home would be evidence. John and Patsy could easily buy out the friends to keep quiet. In fact, they did lose many friends in Boulder.

Well, yeah -- but they weren't at trial. And him spilling the beans would mean the jig is up. They don't want the jig to be up, and at home they can control him and keep him from talking to the police. And no one is going to rely on paying people off to keep them quiet about who killed that little girl.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The Bermuda Triangle was a very, very bid deal when I was a kid.

Also, I was taught to live in mortal fear of quicksand, that it was everywhere, and I needed to be vigilant at all times. Where'd it all go?

Right? I mean ... growing up in the 70s and 80s we were led to believe that quicksand would be a real problem, and a deadly one, lol.