Abortion messaging needs to change

[Anonymous]

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We discuss it all the time. The compromise of roe was where it landed and was in place for almost 50 years.

No it wasn't. Look up Doe v Bolton.

Kavanaugh: Senator, I said that it is settled as a precedent of the Supreme Court, entitled the respect under principles of stare decisis. And one of the important things to keep in mind about Roe v. Wade is that it has been reaffirmed many times over the past 45 years, as you know, and most prominently, most importantly, reaffirmed in Planned Parenthood v. Casey in 1992.

Two different things. Look up the case. The Roe 'compromise', 'trimester regime' does not exist.

[Anonymous]

Republican woman pissed off at Republicans for lying to her about abortion. Reap the whirlwind conservative men…

[Anonymous]

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We discuss it all the time. The compromise of roe was where it landed and was in place for almost 50 years.

No it wasn't. Look up Doe v Bolton.

Kavanaugh: Senator, I said that it is settled as a precedent of the Supreme Court, entitled the respect under principles of stare decisis. And one of the important things to keep in mind about Roe v. Wade is that it has been reaffirmed many times over the past 45 years, as you know, and most prominently, most importantly, reaffirmed in Planned Parenthood v. Casey in 1992.

Two different things. Look up the case. The Roe 'compromise', 'trimester regime' does not exist.

You seem stuck on semantics. It was a middle ground that we all thought was settled law.

[Anonymous]

What is Biden’s position?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What is Biden’s position?

Biden wants to codify and restore the Roe standard.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What is Biden’s position?

Biden wants to codify and restore the Roe standard.

So, point of viability, then. So, after how many weeks would abortion be banned, then? 23?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What is Biden’s position?

Biden wants to codify and restore the Roe standard.

So, point of viability, then. So, after how many weeks would abortion be banned, then? 23?

It wouldn’t be “banned” because abortions taking place later are overwhelmingly for severe fetal or maternal health issues.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What is Biden’s position?

Biden wants to codify and restore the Roe standard.

So, point of viability, then. So, after how many weeks would abortion be banned, then? 23?

It wouldn’t be “banned” because abortions taking place later are overwhelmingly for severe fetal or maternal health issues.

What does Biden mean when he says he wants to codify Roe?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP, you have misunderstood Trump's position on abortion and the general conservative position. Very, very few conservatives believe that it's murder in all cases. And most are willing to compromise and make a 12 or 16 week total amnesty period to have abortions.

The leftists here are being clear with you. They will not compromise at all. They want abortion to be completely unregulated and consider any limitations for any reason at all to be a violation of women's rights. Women can and should be allowed to choose to abort for any reason at all, up til the point of birth, in their view. Take it or leave it. I used to be a democrat and eventually, I couldn't any more. On this and many other issues, I have moral lines that I'm not willing to cross.

Citation needed that “most” conservative politicians are willing to offer 16 week “amnesty”, because you seem to have made that up.

Here you go. Look at the Republican response graph. Only 20ish % respond that abortion should be illegal in all cases.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/246278/abortion-trends-party.aspx

Democrats attack Trump over alleged 16 week national law Trump is reportedly seeking-- meaning Democrats believe that 16 weeks is the compromise point being mulled by Republicans: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/02/16/democrats-trump-abortion-report/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What is Biden’s position?

Zero regulation. No laws about abortion at all.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP, you have misunderstood Trump's position on abortion and the general conservative position. Very, very few conservatives believe that it's murder in all cases. And most are willing to compromise and make a 12 or 16 week total amnesty period to have abortions.

The leftists here are being clear with you. They will not compromise at all. They want abortion to be completely unregulated and consider any limitations for any reason at all to be a violation of women's rights. Women can and should be allowed to choose to abort for any reason at all, up til the point of birth, in their view. Take it or leave it. I used to be a democrat and eventually, I couldn't any more. On this and many other issues, I have moral lines that I'm not willing to cross.

Citation needed that “most” conservative politicians are willing to offer 16 week “amnesty”, because you seem to have made that up.

Here you go. Look at the Republican response graph. Only 20ish % respond that abortion should be illegal in all cases.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/246278/abortion-trends-party.aspx

Democrats attack Trump over alleged 16 week national law Trump is reportedly seeking-- meaning Democrats believe that 16 weeks is the compromise point being mulled by Republicans: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/02/16/democrats-trump-abortion-report/

Those are Republican voters responding to a poll. Again, which conservative politicians are willing to offer 16 week “amnesty”?

[Anonymous]

A 16-week abortion ban is a very smart compromise that will get support from both sides. Currently, only 15 of 193 U.N. Member Countries allow elective abortion after the 15th week of pregnancy, so the U.S. is a major outlier where many states still allow elective abortion until birth.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:OP, you have misunderstood Trump's position on abortion and the general conservative position. Very, very few conservatives believe that it's murder in all cases. And most are willing to compromise and make a 12 or 16 week total amnesty period to have abortions.

The leftists here are being clear with you. They will not compromise at all. They want abortion to be completely unregulated and consider any limitations for any reason at all to be a violation of women's rights. Women can and should be allowed to choose to abort for any reason at all, up til the point of birth, in their view. Take it or leave it. I used to be a democrat and eventually, I couldn't any more. On this and many other issues, I have moral lines that I'm not willing to cross.

Citation needed that “most” conservative politicians are willing to offer 16 week “amnesty”, because you seem to have made that up.

Here you go. Look at the Republican response graph. Only 20ish % respond that abortion should be illegal in all cases.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/246278/abortion-trends-party.aspx

Democrats attack Trump over alleged 16 week national law Trump is reportedly seeking-- meaning Democrats believe that 16 weeks is the compromise point being mulled by Republicans: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/02/16/democrats-trump-abortion-report/

Those are Republican voters responding to a poll. Again, which conservative politicians are willing to offer 16 week “amnesty”?

Google this yourself. The right has been attempting to rally support for a 16 week ban since Roe fell, but it's dead in the water bc the left is unwilling to make any concessions that would limit abortion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A 16-week abortion ban is a very smart compromise that will get support from both sides. Currently, only 15 of 193 U.N. Member Countries allow elective abortion after the 15th week of pregnancy, so the U.S. is a major outlier where many states still allow elective abortion until birth.

WTAF? No. That will not get support from both sides.

Anything before 22-24 weeks doesn’t give enough time for the 20w u/s.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, you have misunderstood Trump's position on abortion and the general conservative position. Very, very few conservatives believe that it's murder in all cases. And most are willing to compromise and make a 12 or 16 week total amnesty period to have abortions.

The leftists here are being clear with you. They will not compromise at all. They want abortion to be completely unregulated and consider any limitations for any reason at all to be a violation of women's rights. Women can and should be allowed to choose to abort for any reason at all, up til the point of birth, in their view. Take it or leave it. I used to be a democrat and eventually, I couldn't any more. On this and many other issues, I have moral lines that I'm not willing to cross.

Citation needed that “most” conservative politicians are willing to offer 16 week “amnesty”, because you seem to have made that up.

Here you go. Look at the Republican response graph. Only 20ish % respond that abortion should be illegal in all cases.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/246278/abortion-trends-party.aspx

Democrats attack Trump over alleged 16 week national law Trump is reportedly seeking-- meaning Democrats believe that 16 weeks is the compromise point being mulled by Republicans: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/02/16/democrats-trump-abortion-report/

Those are Republican voters responding to a poll. Again, which conservative politicians are willing to offer 16 week “amnesty”?

Google this yourself. The right has been attempting to rally support for a 16 week ban since Roe fell, but it's dead in the water bc the left is unwilling to make any concessions that would limit abortion.

Because a 16 week BAN is ridiculous.