Are we going to hear this week?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All of you are making the same mistake that comes up each year. You're trying to make sense of the process and assume there's any consistency or reason for a rejection. When my kid got rejected, the (very experienced) AART was baffled by the rejection. But, they said that every year in their school, 5 or so kids get rejected that they expected to get in, and another 5 kids got admitted with nothing to suggest that they belong in AAP.

The reality is that there are many different panels evaluating the kids, and on these panels, many different people who have different priorities and see things differently. One panel might be cranky and reject any kid who isn't absolutely perfect. One might be overly permissive and let anyone in who seems moderately capable. Some of the evaluators might downplay test scores and over-emphasize HOPE and work samples. Some might reject anyone that they guess was prepped, regardless of whether the kid actually was prepped.

View it this way: If your child has the profile of an AAP kid, they have a 90% chance of being admitted. If they're borderline, they have a 50% chance of being admitted. If they don't have the profile of an AAP kid, there's still a 10% chance they'll be admitted. But it's all kind of luck.

If your kid has the profile of an AAP kid, but doesn't get in, you absolutely should appeal with a letter and some additional work samples. The most important thing in the appeals, though, is that a different set of people will be evaluating your child's packet.

Sure, it makes sense. But what does it mean to have a profile of an AAP kid? My DD's scores: NNAT 136, COGAT 139, iready 89-92%. I would say we are in a pretty competitive school. I don't know about HOPE scores but her teacher is brand new and seems overwhelmed. Solid work samples (in my opinion?). Do I appeal or let it be? I just don't know how much more effort I want to put into this process.

[Anonymous]

If your DD got the CogAT and NNAT scores without prepping much, is advanced in math and reading, gets good grades, and finds school pretty easy, then you should appeal. Despite what you might hear on dcum, an unprepped CogAT 139 is very high and well into the 99th percentile.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If your DD got the CogAT and NNAT scores without prepping much, is advanced in math and reading, gets good grades, and finds school pretty easy, then you should appeal. Despite what you might hear on dcum, an unprepped CogAT 139 is very high and well into the 99th percentile.

But ireadys of ~90% are above average, but not too high in FCPS, especially if it's a high SES school. If a school's genED class has many kids in it that are 120-135 CoGAT and 80-95% iready, then the kid fits in genEd. That school's AAP cohort are the 135+/95%+ kids.

The unfortunate part is that genEd will also have the lowest performing kids, while the AAP class won't (or maybe 1-2 that snuck in).

[Anonymous]

She prepped. If she is dcum and competitive school

[Anonymous]

There are a bunch of idiots posting here to rub in the denial, blaming it on using the $9 CogAT/NNAT workbooks. I was such an idiot too, but I got my treatment done and am on meds now. But I confess whenever I get the itch, I do come here and post "prepping". please send prayers, atleast I am trying to not be a low life.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Got it. Not in with a 140 Cogat. Am an AAP teacher in the county. Pissed.

What?!

I feel like this has to be an error. What would justify keeping out cogat of over 136 honestly? And especially being that you are an AAP teacher yourself. Not right.

The committee wouldn’t know that I am an AAP teacher, but it is definitely frustrating because I’ve taught AAP for years and know DS is an AAP kid. My other DS is not, and that’s fine. I have DS’ packet and his teacher gave him very mediocre HOPE scores and his reading iReady in the fall was only in the 78th percentile— an outlier and his Spring was 90th.

My son has dyslexia and was reading two grade levels prior and qualified for AAP based on his other scores. They used to look at the DRA, but it wasn’t a determining factor. I am surprised that they are using the iReady in this way.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Got it. Not in with a 140 Cogat. Am an AAP teacher in the county. Pissed.

What?!

I feel like this has to be an error. What would justify keeping out cogat of over 136 honestly? And especially being that you are an AAP teacher yourself. Not right.

The committee wouldn’t know that I am an AAP teacher, but it is definitely frustrating because I’ve taught AAP for years and know DS is an AAP kid. My other DS is not, and that’s fine. I have DS’ packet and his teacher gave him very mediocre HOPE scores and his reading iReady in the fall was only in the 78th percentile— an outlier and his Spring was 90th.

My son has dyslexia and was reading two grade levels prior and qualified for AAP based on his other scores. They used to look at the DRA, but it wasn’t a determining factor. I am surprised that they are using the iReady in this way.

two grade levels below, not prior.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There are a bunch of idiots posting here to rub in the denial, blaming it on using the $9 CogAT/NNAT workbooks. I was such an idiot too, but I got my treatment done and am on meds now. But I confess whenever I get the itch, I do come here and post "prepping". please send prayers, atleast I am trying to not be a low life.

I'm the PP who first brought up the prepping, but not in the way you're assuming. If PP's kid wasn't enrolled in some sort of heavy duty CogAT cram program, then the 139 is a very high score. A kid with a score well into the 99th percentile should be included in a program that admits 16% of all FCPS 2nd graders, even if the kid attends a high SES school. PP likely should appeal. If they're reluctant, they should at least schedule a meeting with the AART to find out what advanced options their school has for advanced kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are a bunch of idiots posting here to rub in the denial, blaming it on using the $9 CogAT/NNAT workbooks. I was such an idiot too, but I got my treatment done and am on meds now. But I confess whenever I get the itch, I do come here and post "prepping". please send prayers, atleast I am trying to not be a low life.

I'm the PP who first brought up the prepping, but not in the way you're assuming. If PP's kid wasn't enrolled in some sort of heavy duty CogAT cram program, then the 139 is a very high score. A kid with a score well into the 99th percentile should be included in a program that admits 16% of all FCPS 2nd graders, even if the kid attends a high SES school. PP likely should appeal. If they're reluctant, they should at least schedule a meeting with the AART to find out what advanced options their school has for advanced kids.

A 99%tile on a single test does not a genius make.

I agree that appealing is the right move, given the variation in offers/rejections.

[Anonymous]

The score is a good score, the child still had to perform to obtain it. Please appeal.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are a bunch of idiots posting here to rub in the denial, blaming it on using the $9 CogAT/NNAT workbooks. I was such an idiot too, but I got my treatment done and am on meds now. But I confess whenever I get the itch, I do come here and post "prepping". please send prayers, atleast I am trying to not be a low life.

I'm the PP who first brought up the prepping, but not in the way you're assuming. If PP's kid wasn't enrolled in some sort of heavy duty CogAT cram program, then the 139 is a very high score. A kid with a score well into the 99th percentile should be included in a program that admits 16% of all FCPS 2nd graders, even if the kid attends a high SES school. PP likely should appeal. If they're reluctant, they should at least schedule a meeting with the AART to find out what advanced options their school has for advanced kids.

A 99%tile on a single test does not a genius make.

I agree that appealing is the right move, given the variation in offers/rejections.

Before the Cogat was broken through widespread prepping (nationwide, not just here), it correlated well with school/academic success, even better than a formal IQ test does.

A single 99%ile test score can a genius make.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I posted on the other thread.

153 Cogat, 160 NNAT, 99% and 94% I ready. Good report cards. Not in. Seriously, what is going on?

This one is unacceptable decision.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are a bunch of idiots posting here to rub in the denial, blaming it on using the $9 CogAT/NNAT workbooks. I was such an idiot too, but I got my treatment done and am on meds now. But I confess whenever I get the itch, I do come here and post "prepping". please send prayers, atleast I am trying to not be a low life.

I'm the PP who first brought up the prepping, but not in the way you're assuming. If PP's kid wasn't enrolled in some sort of heavy duty CogAT cram program, then the 139 is a very high score. A kid with a score well into the 99th percentile should be included in a program that admits 16% of all FCPS 2nd graders, even if the kid attends a high SES school. PP likely should appeal. If they're reluctant, they should at least schedule a meeting with the AART to find out what advanced options their school has for advanced kids.

The more I read your nonsense, the more it feels like reading my own messages before I got treatment. I used to throw out numbers and do all the nonsense you're talking about. But my psychiatrist helped me get to the root of my problem, which was that I was saddist to accuse parenting as prepping. They said my biggest problem was making assumptions before I even knew who the kid or the parent was. My meds still don't work, but I'm trying not to bring up prepping—it's so damn hard.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are a bunch of idiots posting here to rub in the denial, blaming it on using the $9 CogAT/NNAT workbooks. I was such an idiot too, but I got my treatment done and am on meds now. But I confess whenever I get the itch, I do come here and post "prepping". please send prayers, atleast I am trying to not be a low life.

I'm the PP who first brought up the prepping, but not in the way you're assuming. If PP's kid wasn't enrolled in some sort of heavy duty CogAT cram program, then the 139 is a very high score. A kid with a score well into the 99th percentile should be included in a program that admits 16% of all FCPS 2nd graders, even if the kid attends a high SES school. PP likely should appeal. If they're reluctant, they should at least schedule a meeting with the AART to find out what advanced options their school has for advanced kids.

The more I read your nonsense, the more it feels like reading my own messages before I got treatment. I used to throw out numbers and do all the nonsense you're talking about. But my psychiatrist helped me get to the root of my problem, which was that I was saddist to accuse parenting as prepping. They said my biggest problem was making assumptions before I even knew who the kid or the parent was. My meds still don't work, but I'm trying not to bring up prepping—it's so damn hard.

Okay.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I posted on the other thread.

153 Cogat, 160 NNAT, 99% and 94% I ready. Good report cards. Not in. Seriously, what is going on?

This one is unacceptable decision.

Definitely screwed up by HOPE.