Atheism is losing popularity because it won’t own it’s own sins

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You have nothing explaining your claim how “deep religious beliefs” resulted in millions of murders. You have zero facts or figures to support your claim, how did deep religious beliefs cause 350 million murders? You have no sources, no citations, no number data.

The people who complied the infographic explained their data and their numbers.

They put deaths from religious beliefs under ideology. They have the data and the information to make this infographic.

You are making claims and hijacking the work of many other people, including data scientists, and making up numbers without showing any evidence, statistics, or data.

The people who were responsible for 94 million deaths in communist countries were atheist.

The people who were responsible for the vast majority of deaths in the 20th century everywhere else were religious.

If a Christian (or anyone from any religious denomination) killed/murdered, the infographic has counted it under the ideology. This is an infographic about the causes of death in the 20th century, not an infographic that shows who personally murdered or killed someone.

Cause of death is different than the identity of the person who killed.

For example, John killed somebody. He believed in God but didn’t belong to a church. He killed his neighbor, Mike, because his Mike ran over his beloved dog.

That’s not a murder because of an ideology, that is a murder because an old guy really loved his dog. A man who believes in God killed someone, but the motivation for the murder wasn’t from his ideology.

You are making up hella numbers without rhyme or reason. It’s really egregious.

You can keep spamming your made up stuff, but it’s meaningless.

You are taking the infographic and making up numbers randomly.

You are making claims about a period in history that we don’t have data from, or extremely limited data, and claims no one could ever begin to possibly prove.
Dude, you’re embarrassing yourself.

It's just how the numbers work when the vast majority of people believe in supernatural forces.

Let's say 1 billion people were killed in the last millennia. Say that 20% of those were killed by atheists (way overestimating), then that leaves 800 million people who were killed by people who believe in supernatural forces.

Look at the last couple hundred years:
http://christianityinview.com/religion-statistics.html

There just aren't that many atheists.

On the flip side, because there are so many Christians, the vast majority of people who do good things are Christian.

Believing in a supernatural force doesn’t mean you kill because of the supernatural force you believe in.

There aren’t that many atheists, but the governments that mandated atheism are responsible for more deaths than any other ideology.

Atheists= world champions at genocide

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Anonymous wrote:In recent months, a spate of atheist books have argued that religion represents, as "End of Faith" author Sam Harris puts it, "the most potent source of human conflict, past and present."

Columnist Robert Kuttner gives the familiar litany. "The Crusades slaughtered millions in the name of Jesus. The Inquisition brought the torture and murder of millions more. After Martin Luther, Christians did bloody battle with other Christians for another three centuries."

In his bestseller "The God Delusion," Richard Dawkins contends that most of the world's recent conflicts – in the Middle East, in the Balkans, in Northern Ireland, in Kashmir, and in Sri Lanka – show the vitality of religion's murderous impulse.

The crimes of atheism have generally been perpetrated through a hubristic ideology that sees man, not God, as the creator of values. Using the latest techniques of science and technology, man seeks to displace God and create a secular utopia here on earth. Of course if some people – the Jews, the landowners, the unfit, or the handicapped – have to be eliminated in order to achieve this utopia, this is a price the atheist tyrants and their apologists have shown themselves quite willing to pay. Thus they confirm the truth of Fyodor Dostoyevsky's dictum, "If God is not, everything is permitted."

Whatever the motives for atheist bloodthirstiness, the indisputable fact is that all the religions of the world put together have in 2,000 years not managed to kill as many people as have been killed in the name of atheism in the past few decades.

It's time to abandon the mindlessly repeated mantra that religious belief has been the greatest source of human conflict and violence. Atheism, not religion, is the real force behind the mass murders of history.

This is why you are spamming made up crap.

Atheists here won’t even acknowledge this.

Your big acknowledgment is “killing is bad, atheists killed but religious people kill more”

and then you pull some numbers out of your butt and claim victory.

Atheists will never be trusted by the vast majority and of people worldwide because of the genocides they perpetrated ON THEIR OWN PEOPLE.

Umm I have never read such a ridiculous desperate thread. Atheists are not a country or a civilization. Who are "they"? The political leadership in those countries that committed genocide don't represent Atheists, in the same way Hamas doesn't represent all Muslims. I'm an Atheist who simply doesn't believe in God. I don't have an "Atheist" community, I have no idea what most of the people I know believe unless they are very overt about it. Either you believe in a God/Gods or you don't. What has popularity have to do with lack of faith?..

So why has every government that mandated atheism perpetrated mass murders (at least 100 million deaths) on their own people? Just a coincidence?

Why are you conflating communism with atheism?

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You have nothing explaining your claim how “deep religious beliefs” resulted in millions of murders. You have zero facts or figures to support your claim, how did deep religious beliefs cause 350 million murders? You have no sources, no citations, no number data.

The people who complied the infographic explained their data and their numbers.

They put deaths from religious beliefs under ideology. They have the data and the information to make this infographic.

You are making claims and hijacking the work of many other people, including data scientists, and making up numbers without showing any evidence, statistics, or data.

The people who were responsible for 94 million deaths in communist countries were atheist.

The people who were responsible for the vast majority of deaths in the 20th century everywhere else were religious.

If a Christian (or anyone from any religious denomination) killed/murdered, the infographic has counted it under the ideology. This is an infographic about the causes of death in the 20th century, not an infographic that shows who personally murdered or killed someone.

Cause of death is different than the identity of the person who killed.

For example, John killed somebody. He believed in God but didn’t belong to a church. He killed his neighbor, Mike, because his Mike ran over his beloved dog.

That’s not a murder because of an ideology, that is a murder because an old guy really loved his dog. A man who believes in God killed someone, but the motivation for the murder wasn’t from his ideology.

You are making up hella numbers without rhyme or reason. It’s really egregious.

You can keep spamming your made up stuff, but it’s meaningless.

You are taking the infographic and making up numbers randomly.

You are making claims about a period in history that we don’t have data from, or extremely limited data, and claims no one could ever begin to possibly prove.
Dude, you’re embarrassing yourself.

It's just how the numbers work when the vast majority of people believe in supernatural forces.

Let's say 1 billion people were killed in the last millennia. Say that 20% of those were killed by atheists (way overestimating), then that leaves 800 million people who were killed by people who believe in supernatural forces.

Look at the last couple hundred years:
http://christianityinview.com/religion-statistics.html

There just aren't that many atheists.

On the flip side, because there are so many Christians, the vast majority of people who do good things are Christian.

Believing in a supernatural force doesn’t mean you kill because of the supernatural force you believe in.

There aren’t that many atheists, but the governments that mandated atheism are responsible for more deaths than any other ideology.

Atheists= world champions at genocide

Just like: NOT believing in supernatural forces doesn't mean you kill because you don't believe in supernatural forces. Translation: people don't kill because they are atheists.

[Anonymous]

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You have nothing explaining your claim how “deep religious beliefs” resulted in millions of murders. You have zero facts or figures to support your claim, how did deep religious beliefs cause 350 million murders? You have no sources, no citations, no number data.

The people who complied the infographic explained their data and their numbers.

They put deaths from religious beliefs under ideology. They have the data and the information to make this infographic.

You are making claims and hijacking the work of many other people, including data scientists, and making up numbers without showing any evidence, statistics, or data.

The people who were responsible for 94 million deaths in communist countries were atheist.

The people who were responsible for the vast majority of deaths in the 20th century everywhere else were religious.

If a Christian (or anyone from any religious denomination) killed/murdered, the infographic has counted it under the ideology. This is an infographic about the causes of death in the 20th century, not an infographic that shows who personally murdered or killed someone.

Cause of death is different than the identity of the person who killed.

For example, John killed somebody. He believed in God but didn’t belong to a church. He killed his neighbor, Mike, because his Mike ran over his beloved dog.

That’s not a murder because of an ideology, that is a murder because an old guy really loved his dog. A man who believes in God killed someone, but the motivation for the murder wasn’t from his ideology.

You are making up hella numbers without rhyme or reason. It’s really egregious.

You can keep spamming your made up stuff, but it’s meaningless.

You are taking the infographic and making up numbers randomly.

You are making claims about a period in history that we don’t have data from, or extremely limited data, and claims no one could ever begin to possibly prove.
Dude, you’re embarrassing yourself.

It's just how the numbers work when the vast majority of people believe in supernatural forces.

Let's say 1 billion people were killed in the last millennia. Say that 20% of those were killed by atheists (way overestimating), then that leaves 800 million people who were killed by people who believe in supernatural forces.

Look at the last couple hundred years:
http://christianityinview.com/religion-statistics.html

There just aren't that many atheists.

On the flip side, because there are so many Christians, the vast majority of people who do good things are Christian.

Believing in a supernatural force doesn’t mean you kill because of the supernatural force you believe in.

There aren’t that many atheists, but the governments that mandated atheism are responsible for more deaths than any other ideology.

Atheists= world champions at genocide

Just like: NOT believing in supernatural forces doesn't mean you kill because you don't believe in supernatural forces. Translation: people don't kill because they are atheists.

They do in state mandated atheist communist governments. It’s undeniable.

As the original message stated: atheists deny this. That’s why people don’t trust them.

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- atheists in communist countries killed 94 million people in the 20th century - that was bad

- religious people in other countries killed 350+ million people in the 20th century (plus ~1 billion in preceding millennia) - that was also bad

- no DCUM atheists or "new atheists" are pushing for state-mandated atheism

- no DCUM atheists or "new atheists" are pushing for killing people

- zero (or close to it) atheists in the US are responsible for the communist states or have any connection to them

- life with deep beliefs in supernatural forces has resulted in the deaths of many more people than life without those beliefs

Show us on the infographic where the deaths of people who had deep religious beliefs in the supernatural are categorized.

Bubble graphic. The vast majority of people who killed others in the 20th century (and earlier) believed in supernatural forces (various gods).

This is 2015. The % of religious people would be even higher in the 20th century.
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2017/04/05/the-changing-global-religious-landscape/

What does this prove?

You have not one piece of data to prove any of your claims.

The vast majority of people believe in supernatural forces / god(s). Does that really need to be proven?

BUT THAT DOESN’T mean they killed someone based on their religious ideology.

The infographic is Causes of death, not a list of people who killed.

If a religious person killed somebody for non-religious reasons, they wouldn’t be classified under ideology on this infographic.They would just be under murder or whatever the data scientists who researched and built this infographic felt was the correct category.

You are making numbers up about things you have zero idea about.

I never said they did.

You are intentionally misrepresenting what I've written.

You are taking an infographic that shows causes of death for a specific time period and stating that because Christians have a higher population, they have committed more murders because of their deep supernatural beliefs. None of that is reflected or counted or confirmed in the infographic. If Christians killed people because of their Christian ideology, it’s shown of the infographic as the makers judged it as a cause of death.

Your guesses about the data are meaningless and you don’t know why the murders in the murder bubble were committed.

I never said it was "because" of their supernatural beliefs. You're still intentionally misrepresenting what I've written.

Similarly, atheists don't kill people because they don't believe in supernatural beliefs.

[Anonymous]

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You have nothing explaining your claim how “deep religious beliefs” resulted in millions of murders. You have zero facts or figures to support your claim, how did deep religious beliefs cause 350 million murders? You have no sources, no citations, no number data.

The people who complied the infographic explained their data and their numbers.

They put deaths from religious beliefs under ideology. They have the data and the information to make this infographic.

You are making claims and hijacking the work of many other people, including data scientists, and making up numbers without showing any evidence, statistics, or data.

The people who were responsible for 94 million deaths in communist countries were atheist.

The people who were responsible for the vast majority of deaths in the 20th century everywhere else were religious.

If a Christian (or anyone from any religious denomination) killed/murdered, the infographic has counted it under the ideology. This is an infographic about the causes of death in the 20th century, not an infographic that shows who personally murdered or killed someone.

Cause of death is different than the identity of the person who killed.

For example, John killed somebody. He believed in God but didn’t belong to a church. He killed his neighbor, Mike, because his Mike ran over his beloved dog.

That’s not a murder because of an ideology, that is a murder because an old guy really loved his dog. A man who believes in God killed someone, but the motivation for the murder wasn’t from his ideology.

You are making up hella numbers without rhyme or reason. It’s really egregious.

You can keep spamming your made up stuff, but it’s meaningless.

You are taking the infographic and making up numbers randomly.

You are making claims about a period in history that we don’t have data from, or extremely limited data, and claims no one could ever begin to possibly prove.
Dude, you’re embarrassing yourself.

It's just how the numbers work when the vast majority of people believe in supernatural forces.

Let's say 1 billion people were killed in the last millennia. Say that 20% of those were killed by atheists (way overestimating), then that leaves 800 million people who were killed by people who believe in supernatural forces.

Look at the last couple hundred years:
http://christianityinview.com/religion-statistics.html

There just aren't that many atheists.

On the flip side, because there are so many Christians, the vast majority of people who do good things are Christian.

Believing in a supernatural force doesn’t mean you kill because of the supernatural force you believe in.

There aren’t that many atheists, but the governments that mandated atheism are responsible for more deaths than any other ideology.

Atheists= world champions at genocide

Just like: NOT believing in supernatural forces doesn't mean you kill because you don't believe in supernatural forces. Translation: people don't kill because they are atheists.

They do in state mandated atheist communist governments. It’s undeniable.

As the original message stated: atheists deny this. That’s why people don’t trust them.

Huh? I've said many time that it's bad that the atheists in communist countries ended up killing 94 millions of people.

But they didn't kill people because they were atheists. They killed people because of their communist policies.

Why are you conflating atheism with communism?

[Anonymous]

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- atheists in communist countries killed 94 million people in the 20th century - that was bad

- religious people in other countries killed 350+ million people in the 20th century (plus ~1 billion in preceding millennia) - that was also bad

- no DCUM atheists or "new atheists" are pushing for state-mandated atheism

- no DCUM atheists or "new atheists" are pushing for killing people

- zero (or close to it) atheists in the US are responsible for the communist states or have any connection to them

- life with deep beliefs in supernatural forces has resulted in the deaths of many more people than life without those beliefs

Show us on the infographic where the deaths of people who had deep religious beliefs in the supernatural are categorized.

Bubble graphic. The vast majority of people who killed others in the 20th century (and earlier) believed in supernatural forces (various gods).

This is 2015. The % of religious people would be even higher in the 20th century.
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2017/04/05/the-changing-global-religious-landscape/

What does this prove?

You have not one piece of data to prove any of your claims.

The vast majority of people believe in supernatural forces / god(s). Does that really need to be proven?

BUT THAT DOESN’T mean they killed someone based on their religious ideology.

The infographic is Causes of death, not a list of people who killed.

If a religious person killed somebody for non-religious reasons, they wouldn’t be classified under ideology on this infographic.They would just be under murder or whatever the data scientists who researched and built this infographic felt was the correct category.

You are making numbers up about things you have zero idea about.

I never said they did.

You are intentionally misrepresenting what I've written.

You are taking an infographic that shows causes of death for a specific time period and stating that because Christians have a higher population, they have committed more murders because of their deep supernatural beliefs. None of that is reflected or counted or confirmed in the infographic. If Christians killed people because of their Christian ideology, it’s shown of the infographic as the makers judged it as a cause of death.

Your guesses about the data are meaningless and you don’t know why the murders in the murder bubble were committed.

I never said it was "because" of their supernatural beliefs. You're still intentionally misrepresenting what I've written.

Similarly, atheists don't kill people because they don't believe in supernatural beliefs.

Communists who mandated atheism through their power and control of government absolutely killed because of their ideology.

That’s why communism is such a large bubble on the infographic.

Communist countries mandate atheism.

Communists, with their state mandated atheism, are World Champions in the genocide category.

Atheists are responsible for the largest number of people killed in mass murders in the 20th century.

[Anonymous]

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You have nothing explaining your claim how “deep religious beliefs” resulted in millions of murders. You have zero facts or figures to support your claim, how did deep religious beliefs cause 350 million murders? You have no sources, no citations, no number data.

The people who complied the infographic explained their data and their numbers.

They put deaths from religious beliefs under ideology. They have the data and the information to make this infographic.

You are making claims and hijacking the work of many other people, including data scientists, and making up numbers without showing any evidence, statistics, or data.

The people who were responsible for 94 million deaths in communist countries were atheist.

The people who were responsible for the vast majority of deaths in the 20th century everywhere else were religious.

If a Christian (or anyone from any religious denomination) killed/murdered, the infographic has counted it under the ideology. This is an infographic about the causes of death in the 20th century, not an infographic that shows who personally murdered or killed someone.

Cause of death is different than the identity of the person who killed.

For example, John killed somebody. He believed in God but didn’t belong to a church. He killed his neighbor, Mike, because his Mike ran over his beloved dog.

That’s not a murder because of an ideology, that is a murder because an old guy really loved his dog. A man who believes in God killed someone, but the motivation for the murder wasn’t from his ideology.

You are making up hella numbers without rhyme or reason. It’s really egregious.

You can keep spamming your made up stuff, but it’s meaningless.

You are taking the infographic and making up numbers randomly.

You are making claims about a period in history that we don’t have data from, or extremely limited data, and claims no one could ever begin to possibly prove.
Dude, you’re embarrassing yourself.

It's just how the numbers work when the vast majority of people believe in supernatural forces.

Let's say 1 billion people were killed in the last millennia. Say that 20% of those were killed by atheists (way overestimating), then that leaves 800 million people who were killed by people who believe in supernatural forces.

Look at the last couple hundred years:
http://christianityinview.com/religion-statistics.html

There just aren't that many atheists.

On the flip side, because there are so many Christians, the vast majority of people who do good things are Christian.

Believing in a supernatural force doesn’t mean you kill because of the supernatural force you believe in.

There aren’t that many atheists, but the governments that mandated atheism are responsible for more deaths than any other ideology.

Atheists= world champions at genocide

Just like: NOT believing in supernatural forces doesn't mean you kill because you don't believe in supernatural forces. Translation: people don't kill because they are atheists.

They do in state mandated atheist communist governments. It’s undeniable.

As the original message stated: atheists deny this. That’s why people don’t trust them.

Huh? I've said many time that it's bad that the atheists in communist countries ended up killing 94 millions of people.

But they didn't kill people because they were atheists. They killed people because of their communist policies.

Why are you conflating atheism with communism?

Nearly all Communist states that have ever existed have practiced state atheism, since the writings of Karl Marx himself were stridently atheist: Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering.

Marx rejected all religious beliefs ignoring all of the contributions of religion, claiming them to be irrelevant and unimportant to humanity and its future.

All communist leaders of the 20th and 21st centuries admitted to and celebrated their atheism.

China, Vietnam, Venezuela, Cambodia and North Korea, all communist countries, keep a tight control of religions with the intention of destroying those beliefs. All communist regimes have disparaged religion and hope to eradicate it and those who believe in them.

China's President Xi Jinping, at the opening session of the 19th Chinese Communist Party Congress at the Great Hall of the People in Beijing on Oct. 18, 2017, reminded his atheist cadres that the CCP must act as “unyielding Marxist atheists ... and bear in mind the party's tenets.”

In the 20th and 21st centuries, atheists managed to kill 13% of the world's population during the Red Holocaust. In 1920, the world’s population was 2 billion. In 1960, the world’s population was 3 billion. Thus, when these atheists killed 152.5 million human beings, they killed 13% of the world’s total.

Why are you not?

Communist countries support state atheism, and most communists tend to be atheist, including most significant communist figures (such as Lenin, Marx, Trotsky, etc.).

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I've long felt that there are two kinds of "religious" people in the world:
1. Those who truly believe.
2. Those who have communal, family and cultural ties to a religion *and its Holidays*, and identify with this religion on surveys.

In reality, I don't think there are many people who have unshakable faith in their holy texts. Most of them belong to category #2, which is a perfectly fine reason to have a religion. They may loosely believe in their god(s), but they don't believe other religions are the enemy, and they're here mostly for their community, because it's always been done this way in their families/ where they live.

With higher education and professional mobility, I feel many people from #1 will slide to #2, and people from #2 will slide to having no particular religious identity. And that's a perfectly normal thing to happen. It's good, in the sense that they realize they can be perfectly decent human beings who give to the needy and live according to basic humanist principles...without declaring allegiance to a particular faith system.

That’s great for you, but that’s not what the author is saying.

He is saying people who were drawn to the new atheists have turned away from them, because the new atheists attacked religion and didn’t acknowledge religion also does positive things in the world and helps people.

Also, he says science doesn’t give people meaning or satisfaction in life, and that people are always going to search for meaning in life. Meaning doesn’t come from attending a church for holidays or cultural experiences.

I believe that humans do search for meaning in life, it’s actually undeniable that they do. If you attend church because of the reasons you have explained, I understand.

But I don’t believe the majority of people are superficially going through life and have no desire to find a deeper meaning and purpose.

Secular humanists cannot deny that their beliefs in human rights, freedom and sacrifice were handed to them by the followers of Jesus, not enlightenment scientists.

Almost every atheist I know, including myself, is a "quiet" atheist, that is, they just don't think about or talk about religion, god(s), spirits, afterlife, etc. These things don't play any kind of role in our lives or our minds. This might drive you crazy, but it's true. I just don't think about it. Also I've never heard of "new atheists" or "new atheism". Is that a thing?

And as for the question of the meaning of life, well it's friendship and love and art and music and good food and kindness. All of those things have deep meaning for me.

But I do like to put up a Christmas tree and decorate and bake cookies and color Easter eggs. Traditions are fun!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:In recent months, a spate of atheist books have argued that religion represents, as "End of Faith" author Sam Harris puts it, "the most potent source of human conflict, past and present."

Columnist Robert Kuttner gives the familiar litany. "The Crusades slaughtered millions in the name of Jesus. The Inquisition brought the torture and murder of millions more. After Martin Luther, Christians did bloody battle with other Christians for another three centuries."

In his bestseller "The God Delusion," Richard Dawkins contends that most of the world's recent conflicts – in the Middle East, in the Balkans, in Northern Ireland, in Kashmir, and in Sri Lanka – show the vitality of religion's murderous impulse.

The crimes of atheism have generally been perpetrated through a hubristic ideology that sees man, not God, as the creator of values. Using the latest techniques of science and technology, man seeks to displace God and create a secular utopia here on earth. Of course if some people – the Jews, the landowners, the unfit, or the handicapped – have to be eliminated in order to achieve this utopia, this is a price the atheist tyrants and their apologists have shown themselves quite willing to pay. Thus they confirm the truth of Fyodor Dostoyevsky's dictum, "If God is not, everything is permitted."

Whatever the motives for atheist bloodthirstiness, the indisputable fact is that all the religions of the world put together have in 2,000 years not managed to kill as many people as have been killed in the name of atheism in the past few decades.

It's time to abandon the mindlessly repeated mantra that religious belief has been the greatest source of human conflict and violence. Atheism, not religion, is the real force behind the mass murders of history.

This is why you are spamming made up crap.

Atheists here won’t even acknowledge this.

Your big acknowledgment is “killing is bad, atheists killed but religious people kill more”

and then you pull some numbers out of your butt and claim victory.

Atheists will never be trusted by the vast majority and of people worldwide because of the genocides they perpetrated ON THEIR OWN PEOPLE.

Umm I have never read such a ridiculous desperate thread. Atheists are not a country or a civilization. Who are "they"? The political leadership in those countries that committed genocide don't represent Atheists, in the same way Hamas doesn't represent all Muslims. I'm an Atheist who simply doesn't believe in God. I don't have an "Atheist" community, I have no idea what most of the people I know believe unless they are very overt about it. Either you believe in a God/Gods or you don't. What has popularity have to do with lack of faith?..

So why has every government that mandated atheism perpetrated mass murders (at least 100 million deaths) on their own people? Just a coincidence?

Why are you conflating communism with atheism?

Nearly all Communist states that have ever existed have practiced state atheism, since the writings of Karl Marx himself were stridently atheist: Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering.

Marx rejected all religious beliefs ignoring all of the contributions of religion, claiming them to be irrelevant and unimportant to humanity and its future.

All communist leaders of the 20th and 21st centuries admitted to and celebrated their atheism.

China, Vietnam, Venezuela, Cambodia and North Korea, all communist countries, keep a tight control of religions with the intention of destroying those beliefs. All communist regimes have disparaged religion and hope to eradicate it and those who believe in them.

China's President Xi Jinping, at the opening session of the 19th Chinese Communist Party Congress at the Great Hall of the People in Beijing on Oct. 18, 2017, reminded his atheist cadres that the CCP must act as “unyielding Marxist atheists ... and bear in mind the party's tenets.”

In the 20th and 21st centuries, atheists managed to kill 13% of the world's population during the Red Holocaust. In 1920, the world’s population was 2 billion. In 1960, the world’s population was 3 billion. Thus, when these atheists killed 152.5 million human beings, they killed 13% of the world’s total.

Why are you not?

Communist countries support state atheism, and most communists tend to be atheist, including most significant communist figures (such as Lenin, Marx, Trotsky, etc.).

Atheism simply means that you don't believe in god. It's not communism, which is a social structure.

Most communists are atheists. Most atheists are not communists. They aren't the same thing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
I've long felt that there are two kinds of "religious" people in the world:
1. Those who truly believe.
2. Those who have communal, family and cultural ties to a religion *and its Holidays*, and identify with this religion on surveys.

In reality, I don't think there are many people who have unshakable faith in their holy texts. Most of them belong to category #2, which is a perfectly fine reason to have a religion. They may loosely believe in their god(s), but they don't believe other religions are the enemy, and they're here mostly for their community, because it's always been done this way in their families/ where they live.

With higher education and professional mobility, I feel many people from #1 will slide to #2, and people from #2 will slide to having no particular religious identity. And that's a perfectly normal thing to happen. It's good, in the sense that they realize they can be perfectly decent human beings who give to the needy and live according to basic humanist principles...without declaring allegiance to a particular faith system.

That’s great for you, but that’s not what the author is saying.

He is saying people who were drawn to the new atheists have turned away from them, because the new atheists attacked religion and didn’t acknowledge religion also does positive things in the world and helps people.

Also, he says science doesn’t give people meaning or satisfaction in life, and that people are always going to search for meaning in life. Meaning doesn’t come from attending a church for holidays or cultural experiences.

I believe that humans do search for meaning in life, it’s actually undeniable that they do. If you attend church because of the reasons you have explained, I understand.

But I don’t believe the majority of people are superficially going through life and have no desire to find a deeper meaning and purpose.

Secular humanists cannot deny that their beliefs in human rights, freedom and sacrifice were handed to them by the followers of Jesus, not enlightenment scientists.

Almost every atheist I know, including myself, is a "quiet" atheist, that is, they just don't think about or talk about religion, god(s), spirits, afterlife, etc. These things don't play any kind of role in our lives or our minds. This might drive you crazy, but it's true. I just don't think about it. Also I've never heard of "new atheists" or "new atheism". Is that a thing?

And as for the question of the meaning of life, well it's friendship and love and art and music and good food and kindness. All of those things have deep meaning for me.

But I do like to put up a Christmas tree and decorate and bake cookies and color Easter eggs. Traditions are fun!

That’s nice. Do you understand that over 100 million people were killed by governments that mandate/d atheism?

How does that make you feel?

Why do you think communism and atheism are always present together in an authoritarian government? Any thoughts?

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Anonymous wrote:In recent months, a spate of atheist books have argued that religion represents, as "End of Faith" author Sam Harris puts it, "the most potent source of human conflict, past and present."

Columnist Robert Kuttner gives the familiar litany. "The Crusades slaughtered millions in the name of Jesus. The Inquisition brought the torture and murder of millions more. After Martin Luther, Christians did bloody battle with other Christians for another three centuries."

In his bestseller "The God Delusion," Richard Dawkins contends that most of the world's recent conflicts – in the Middle East, in the Balkans, in Northern Ireland, in Kashmir, and in Sri Lanka – show the vitality of religion's murderous impulse.

The crimes of atheism have generally been perpetrated through a hubristic ideology that sees man, not God, as the creator of values. Using the latest techniques of science and technology, man seeks to displace God and create a secular utopia here on earth. Of course if some people – the Jews, the landowners, the unfit, or the handicapped – have to be eliminated in order to achieve this utopia, this is a price the atheist tyrants and their apologists have shown themselves quite willing to pay. Thus they confirm the truth of Fyodor Dostoyevsky's dictum, "If God is not, everything is permitted."

Whatever the motives for atheist bloodthirstiness, the indisputable fact is that all the religions of the world put together have in 2,000 years not managed to kill as many people as have been killed in the name of atheism in the past few decades.

It's time to abandon the mindlessly repeated mantra that religious belief has been the greatest source of human conflict and violence. Atheism, not religion, is the real force behind the mass murders of history.

This is why you are spamming made up crap.

Atheists here won’t even acknowledge this.

Your big acknowledgment is “killing is bad, atheists killed but religious people kill more”

and then you pull some numbers out of your butt and claim victory.

Atheists will never be trusted by the vast majority and of people worldwide because of the genocides they perpetrated ON THEIR OWN PEOPLE.

Umm I have never read such a ridiculous desperate thread. Atheists are not a country or a civilization. Who are "they"? The political leadership in those countries that committed genocide don't represent Atheists, in the same way Hamas doesn't represent all Muslims. I'm an Atheist who simply doesn't believe in God. I don't have an "Atheist" community, I have no idea what most of the people I know believe unless they are very overt about it. Either you believe in a God/Gods or you don't. What has popularity have to do with lack of faith?..

So why has every government that mandated atheism perpetrated mass murders (at least 100 million deaths) on their own people? Just a coincidence?

Why are you conflating communism with atheism?

Nearly all Communist states that have ever existed have practiced state atheism, since the writings of Karl Marx himself were stridently atheist: Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering.

Marx rejected all religious beliefs ignoring all of the contributions of religion, claiming them to be irrelevant and unimportant to humanity and its future.

All communist leaders of the 20th and 21st centuries admitted to and celebrated their atheism.

China, Vietnam, Venezuela, Cambodia and North Korea, all communist countries, keep a tight control of religions with the intention of destroying those beliefs. All communist regimes have disparaged religion and hope to eradicate it and those who believe in them.

China's President Xi Jinping, at the opening session of the 19th Chinese Communist Party Congress at the Great Hall of the People in Beijing on Oct. 18, 2017, reminded his atheist cadres that the CCP must act as “unyielding Marxist atheists ... and bear in mind the party's tenets.”

In the 20th and 21st centuries, atheists managed to kill 13% of the world's population during the Red Holocaust. In 1920, the world’s population was 2 billion. In 1960, the world’s population was 3 billion. Thus, when these atheists killed 152.5 million human beings, they killed 13% of the world’s total.

Why are you not?

Communist countries support state atheism, and most communists tend to be atheist, including most significant communist figures (such as Lenin, Marx, Trotsky, etc.).

Atheism simply means that you don't believe in god. It's not communism, which is a social structure.

Most communists are atheists. Most atheists are not communists. They aren't the same thing.

Why did 100 million + die at the hands of their government, a government that mandated atheism?

Why do governments that mass murder their own people mandate atheism?

You are an atheist, this doesn’t trouble you?

Atheism is responsible for genocide in the 20th century, and it’s documented and has been proven to have happened.

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Anonymous wrote:—-> How can an athiest own sins when they don't believe in that?

What do atheists call it when they do something bad? Just insert that word for sin, the point still stands.

I don't believe in god(s) or a higher power. I do wha I feel is right. If I make a mistake, I don't flagilate myself, nor do I experiennce guilt or regret. This is because I know what my intentions and motives are. If I make a mistake, I correct it asap.

Ok, how do you know what is right? By how you feel about something? So whatever you feel is right is right to you?

You don’t experience regret?

You don’t experience guilt?

So you have never done anything to regret or feel guilty about your entire life?

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How can you NOT know what is right or wrong irrespective of some dogma? Do you mean to tell me you only do what is right because you think a higher being told you that it was right? Really??? You can't think for yourself, "hey, harming this other person is not right, because they are a human being, just like me, and I can put myself in their place and imagine what it would be like to be harmed"? You need a higher being to tell you that??

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- atheists in communist countries killed 94 million people in the 20th century - that was bad

- religious people in other countries killed 350+ million people in the 20th century (plus ~1 billion in preceding millennia) - that was also bad

- no DCUM atheists or "new atheists" are pushing for state-mandated atheism

- no DCUM atheists or "new atheists" are pushing for killing people

- zero (or close to it) atheists in the US are responsible for the communist states or have any connection to them

- life with deep beliefs in supernatural forces has resulted in the deaths of many more people than life without those beliefs

Show us on the infographic where the deaths of people who had deep religious beliefs in the supernatural are categorized.

Bubble graphic. The vast majority of people who killed others in the 20th century (and earlier) believed in supernatural forces (various gods).

This is 2015. The % of religious people would be even higher in the 20th century.
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2017/04/05/the-changing-global-religious-landscape/

What does this prove?

You have not one piece of data to prove any of your claims.

The vast majority of people believe in supernatural forces / god(s). Does that really need to be proven?

BUT THAT DOESN’T mean they killed someone based on their religious ideology.

The infographic is Causes of death, not a list of people who killed.

If a religious person killed somebody for non-religious reasons, they wouldn’t be classified under ideology on this infographic.They would just be under murder or whatever the data scientists who researched and built this infographic felt was the correct category.

You are making numbers up about things you have zero idea about.

I never said they did.

You are intentionally misrepresenting what I've written.

You are taking an infographic that shows causes of death for a specific time period and stating that because Christians have a higher population, they have committed more murders because of their deep supernatural beliefs. None of that is reflected or counted or confirmed in the infographic. If Christians killed people because of their Christian ideology, it’s shown of the infographic as the makers judged it as a cause of death.

Your guesses about the data are meaningless and you don’t know why the murders in the murder bubble were committed.

I never said it was "because" of their supernatural beliefs. You're still intentionally misrepresenting what I've written.

Similarly, atheists don't kill people because they don't believe in supernatural beliefs.

Communists who mandated atheism through their power and control of government absolutely killed because of their ideology.

That’s why communism is such a large bubble on the infographic.

Communist countries mandate atheism.

Communists, with their state mandated atheism, are World Champions in the genocide category.

Atheists are responsible for the largest number of people killed in mass murders in the 20th century.

Communism is the large bubble, not atheism.

Atheism did not drive them to kill many people. It was their communist policies.

If you want to talk about #s of people killed, they were beat out by people who believed in god(s).

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Anonymous wrote:—-> How can an athiest own sins when they don't believe in that?

What do atheists call it when they do something bad? Just insert that word for sin, the point still stands.

I don't believe in god(s) or a higher power. I do wha I feel is right. If I make a mistake, I don't flagilate myself, nor do I experiennce guilt or regret. This is because I know what my intentions and motives are. If I make a mistake, I correct it asap.

Ok, how do you know what is right? By how you feel about something? So whatever you feel is right is right to you?

You don’t experience regret?

You don’t experience guilt?

So you have never done anything to regret or feel guilty about your entire life?

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How can you NOT know what is right or wrong irrespective of some dogma? Do you mean to tell me you only do what is right because you think a higher being told you that it was right? Really??? You can't think for yourself, "hey, harming this other person is not right, because they are a human being, just like me, and I can put myself in their place and imagine what it would be like to be harmed"? You need a higher being to tell you that??

Meanwhile, atheists are responsible for the most mass killings in the 20th century.