Atheism is losing popularity because it won’t own it’s own sins

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sigh. You view atheism as a belief system, and you want to compare it to your own belief system. You think it's a battle between belief systems for subscribers. Like people choose between Christianity and atheism the way they choose between Netflix and Hulu.

No.

It's more like Christianity is Netflix, Hulu is Islam, Max is Judaism, the Criterion Collection is Buddhism. And atheism is throwing out your TV.

Of course faith has an appeal, even to those who have lived without it. Especially to those who have lived without it. Religion also offers community and people crave that. But religions themselves don't always work within a person's life. It is normal for people to lose faith but then become curious about it again. It's easy to be a skeptic at 22, and it's easier to be a believer at 62.

I think Jews get it right because they support people in losing their faith within the religion. You can tell your own rabbi "I don't believe," and it's fine, you're still Jewish and nothing changes. The religion is about more than just faith, which can be hard to sustain.

Anyway, you are fighting over something that just doesn't work that way. No one is converting to atheism. They just lose faith.

It's kind of tiresome. When one thread about athiesm dies down, another one pops up. It seems like someone is just begging for someone to argue with them. I have no idea if some are from the same poster or not, but holy crap get over it. Athiests are not coming after your Christian lifestyle. A lot (if not most) really don't give a damn.

[Anonymous]

I think it's funny that someone is referring to atheism like it's an organized group with a dogma. "They" do this and "They" do that. Talk about cherry picking. I don't recall rec\ceiving a survey about what myself and the rest of the atheists do so the author can have a reasonable set of facts on which to base his conculsions.

"Atheists don't believe in sin". Again, can't speak for an entire group. I know the difference between right and wrong because my human conscience bothers me if I harm another person, or am mean to them. I don't understand the assumption that one needs religion to teach morals. Humans wrote down the morals that are in religions. Morals are derived from HUMAN empathy.

I don't like religion because people use it to justify evil things and manipulate people. Right now we see two groups of humans murdering civilians over their different interpretations of their imaginary friend in the sky. It's madness.

And if the author wants to claim that atheism has driven people back to organized religion, that's fine, he can claim what he wants. (Again, cite?)

And if you want to be driven back to religion, I have no desire to stop you. Free country and all that. Just leave me and mine alone with your religious stuff (see fights about Xmas displays and new speaker of the house and "the Bible is my worldview").

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sigh. You view atheism as a belief system, and you want to compare it to your own belief system. You think it's a battle between belief systems for subscribers. Like people choose between Christianity and atheism the way they choose between Netflix and Hulu.

No.

It's more like Christianity is Netflix, Hulu is Islam, Max is Judaism, the Criterion Collection is Buddhism. And atheism is throwing out your TV.

Of course faith has an appeal, even to those who have lived without it. Especially to those who have lived without it. Religion also offers community and people crave that. But religions themselves don't always work within a person's life. It is normal for people to lose faith but then become curious about it again. It's easy to be a skeptic at 22, and it's easier to be a believer at 62.

I think Jews get it right because they support people in losing their faith within the religion. You can tell your own rabbi "I don't believe," and it's fine, you're still Jewish and nothing changes. The religion is about more than just faith, which can be hard to sustain.

Anyway, you are fighting over something that just doesn't work that way. No one is converting to atheism. They just lose faith.

It's kind of tiresome. When one thread about athiesm dies down, another one pops up. It seems like someone is just begging for someone to argue with them. I have no idea if some are from the same poster or not, but holy crap get over it. Athiests are not coming after your Christian lifestyle. A lot (if not most) really don't give a damn.

Nothing in this thread has been posted by me or anyone else about atheists “coming after my Christian lifestyle.”

I am simply discussing an issue about new atheism, as discussed by a man who hosts a podcast specifically promoting discourse between Christians and atheists.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think it's funny that someone is referring to atheism like it's an organized group with a dogma. "They" do this and "They" do that. Talk about cherry picking. I don't recall rec\ceiving a survey about what myself and the rest of the atheists do so the author can have a reasonable set of facts on which to base his conculsions.

"Atheists don't believe in sin". Again, can't speak for an entire group. I know the difference between right and wrong because my human conscience bothers me if I harm another person, or am mean to them. I don't understand the assumption that one needs religion to teach morals. Humans wrote down the morals that are in religions. Morals are derived from HUMAN empathy.

I don't like religion because people use it to justify evil things and manipulate people. Right now we see two groups of humans murdering civilians over their different interpretations of their imaginary friend in the sky. It's madness.

And if the author wants to claim that atheism has driven people back to organized religion, that's fine, he can claim what he wants. (Again, cite?)

And if you want to be driven back to religion, I have no desire to stop you. Free country and all that. Just leave me and mine alone with your religious stuff (see fights about Xmas displays and new speaker of the house and "the Bible is my worldview").

He specifically speaks about “New Atheism.”

Was New Atheism a mistake?
Richard Dawkins on God, vaccines and his poetic spirit

https://unherd.com/2023/06/was-new-atheism-a-mistake/

IN OUR CHAOTIC AGE, SOME ATHEISTS ARE RETHINKING SECULARISM

https://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2023/07/in-our-chaotic-age-some-atheists-are-rethinking-secularism

After Weaponizing Evolution, New Atheists Are Unhappy with Results

https://evolutionnews.org/2023/08/after-weaponizing-evolution-new-atheists-are-unhappy-with-results/

Peter Boghossian: how the Academy got woke and why the ‘New Atheists’ are to blame

https://www.spectator.co.uk/podcast/peter-boghossian-how-the-academy-got-woke-and-why-the-new-atheists-are-to-blame/

Why the arguments of the ‘New Atheists’ are often just as violent as religion

https://theconversation.com/why-the-arguments-of-the-new-atheists-are-often-just-as-violent-as-religion-95185

Yes, religions wage wars and kill people. That’s undeniable.

But as the author points out (and his point is being proven in this thread) that atheists don’t ever admit that religion has positive attributes, and atheists deny atheism has killed millions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think it's funny that someone is referring to atheism like it's an organized group with a dogma. "They" do this and "They" do that. Talk about cherry picking. I don't recall rec\ceiving a survey about what myself and the rest of the atheists do so the author can have a reasonable set of facts on which to base his conculsions.

"Atheists don't believe in sin". Again, can't speak for an entire group. I know the difference between right and wrong because my human conscience bothers me if I harm another person, or am mean to them. I don't understand the assumption that one needs religion to teach morals. Humans wrote down the morals that are in religions. Morals are derived from HUMAN empathy.

I don't like religion because people use it to justify evil things and manipulate people. Right now we see two groups of humans murdering civilians over their different interpretations of their imaginary friend in the sky. It's madness.

And if the author wants to claim that atheism has driven people back to organized religion, that's fine, he can claim what he wants. (Again, cite?)

And if you want to be driven back to religion, I have no desire to stop you. Free country and all that. Just leave me and mine alone with your religious stuff (see fights about Xmas displays and new speaker of the house and "the Bible is my worldview").

What’s wrong with Christmas displays? You mean like Christmas trees and lights and nativities with live sheep and a cow or two?

Those bother you and your family?

[Anonymous]

There no such thing as “new atheism”. This was a term invented to be pejorative, like “fundamentalist Christian”.

Atheism is as old as belief.

https://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news/disbelieve-it-or-not-ancient-history-suggests-that-atheism-is-as-natural-to-humans-as-religion

The facts are that ‘none’ is the fastest growing religious belief in the US, and that does not appear to be changing anytime soon.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There no such thing as “new atheism”. This was a term invented to be pejorative, like “fundamentalist Christian”.

Atheism is as old as belief.

https://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news/disbelieve-it-or-not-ancient-history-suggests-that-atheism-is-as-natural-to-humans-as-religion

The facts are that ‘none’ is the fastest growing religious belief in the US, and that does not appear to be changing anytime soon.

New Atheism and the Four Horsemen were not coined in a negative sense, but according to many, now have been rejected.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sigh. You view atheism as a belief system, and you want to compare it to your own belief system. You think it's a battle between belief systems for subscribers. Like people choose between Christianity and atheism the way they choose between Netflix and Hulu.

No.

It's more like Christianity is Netflix, Hulu is Islam, Max is Judaism, the Criterion Collection is Buddhism. And atheism is throwing out your TV.

Of course faith has an appeal, even to those who have lived without it. Especially to those who have lived without it. Religion also offers community and people crave that. But religions themselves don't always work within a person's life. It is normal for people to lose faith but then become curious about it again. It's easy to be a skeptic at 22, and it's easier to be a believer at 62.

I think Jews get it right because they support people in losing their faith within the religion. You can tell your own rabbi "I don't believe," and it's fine, you're still Jewish and nothing changes. The religion is about more than just faith, which can be hard to sustain.

Anyway, you are fighting over something that just doesn't work that way. No one is converting to atheism. They just lose faith.

It's kind of tiresome. When one thread about athiesm dies down, another one pops up. It seems like someone is just begging for someone to argue with them. I have no idea if some are from the same poster or not, but holy crap get over it. Athiests are not coming after your Christian lifestyle. A lot (if not most) really don't give a damn.

Maybe it's someone who is losing their faith and is struggling with it. It's tough to learn that everything you've believed for decades is BS.

[Anonymous]

So OP wakes up on a Sunday morning and gives serious thought to atheism. Interesting.

[Anonymous]

What the heck is “new atheism”? I swear, some folks are completely OBSESSED with atheists. It’s weird how much you care.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sigh. You view atheism as a belief system, and you want to compare it to your own belief system. You think it's a battle between belief systems for subscribers. Like people choose between Christianity and atheism the way they choose between Netflix and Hulu.

No.

It's more like Christianity is Netflix, Hulu is Islam, Max is Judaism, the Criterion Collection is Buddhism. And atheism is throwing out your TV.

Of course faith has an appeal, even to those who have lived without it. Especially to those who have lived without it. Religion also offers community and people crave that. But religions themselves don't always work within a person's life. It is normal for people to lose faith but then become curious about it again. It's easy to be a skeptic at 22, and it's easier to be a believer at 62.

I think Jews get it right because they support people in losing their faith within the religion. You can tell your own rabbi "I don't believe," and it's fine, you're still Jewish and nothing changes. The religion is about more than just faith, which can be hard to sustain.

Anyway, you are fighting over something that just doesn't work that way. No one is converting to atheism. They just lose faith.

It's kind of tiresome. When one thread about athiesm dies down, another one pops up. It seems like someone is just begging for someone to argue with them. I have no idea if some are from the same poster or not, but holy crap get over it. Athiests are not coming after your Christian lifestyle. A lot (if not most) really don't give a damn.

Maybe it's someone who is losing their faith and is struggling with it. It's tough to learn that everything you've believed for decades is BS.

No, my faith has remained stable, and grows even in times of hardship and sadness on earth because I have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. I am grateful for the life He has given to me. No one can be taught to have a relationship with God. It’s something you come to on a personal level.

People are taught religion, but religion is not what people should center their life on-it’s their personal belief in Christ that brings joy and peace. Religion doesn’t always bring peace. God does.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sigh. You view atheism as a belief system, and you want to compare it to your own belief system. You think it's a battle between belief systems for subscribers. Like people choose between Christianity and atheism the way they choose between Netflix and Hulu.

No.

It's more like Christianity is Netflix, Hulu is Islam, Max is Judaism, the Criterion Collection is Buddhism. And atheism is throwing out your TV.

Of course faith has an appeal, even to those who have lived without it. Especially to those who have lived without it. Religion also offers community and people crave that. But religions themselves don't always work within a person's life. It is normal for people to lose faith but then become curious about it again. It's easy to be a skeptic at 22, and it's easier to be a believer at 62.

I think Jews get it right because they support people in losing their faith within the religion. You can tell your own rabbi "I don't believe," and it's fine, you're still Jewish and nothing changes. The religion is about more than just faith, which can be hard to sustain.

Anyway, you are fighting over something that just doesn't work that way. No one is converting to atheism. They just lose faith.

It's kind of tiresome. When one thread about athiesm dies down, another one pops up. It seems like someone is just begging for someone to argue with them. I have no idea if some are from the same poster or not, but holy crap get over it. Athiests are not coming after your Christian lifestyle. A lot (if not most) really don't give a damn.

Nothing in this thread has been posted by me or anyone else about atheists “coming after my Christian lifestyle.”

I am simply discussing an issue about new atheism, as discussed by a man who hosts a podcast specifically promoting discourse between Christians and atheists.

Why would you do that if not to try to further the discourse?

[Anonymous]

I don’t know if it is good or bad that religious people try to start these debates. On the one hand it is good that they are trying to construct logical arguments, but on the other hand they are just so bad at it. The idea that they are ever going to win this type of rational argument when their belief system is so primitive, archaic, and particular, is just sad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What the heck is “new atheism”? I swear, some folks are completely OBSESSED with atheists. It’s weird how much you care.

The term New Atheism was coined by the American journalist Gary Wolf in 2006 to describe the positions of some atheist academics, writers, scientists, and philosophers of the 21st century.[1][2] New Atheism advocates the view that superstition, religion, and irrationalism should not simply be tolerated. Instead, they should be criticised, countered, examined, and challenged by rational argument, especially when they exert strong influence on the broader society, such as in government, education, and politics.[3][4] Major figures of New Atheism include Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, Christopher Hitchens, Daniel Dennett, and Ayaan Hirsi Ali.[5]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Atheism

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There no such thing as “new atheism”. This was a term invented to be pejorative, like “fundamentalist Christian”.

Atheism is as old as belief.

https://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news/disbelieve-it-or-not-ancient-history-suggests-that-atheism-is-as-natural-to-humans-as-religion

The facts are that ‘none’ is the fastest growing religious belief in the US, and that does not appear to be changing anytime soon.

New Atheism and the Four Horsemen were not coined in a negative sense, but according to many, now have been rejected.

‘According to many”? Where is your source for that?

You don’t have one.

First find me one person who calls themselves a “new” atheist. Then we can talk about how many of them are leaving.

This is a false narrative put forward by desperate people.