Atheism is losing popularity because it won’t own it’s own sins

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
- atheists in communist countries killed 94 million people in the 20th century - that was bad

- religious people in other countries killed 350+ million people in the 20th century (plus ~1 billion in preceding millennia) - that was also bad

- no DCUM atheists or "new atheists" are pushing for state-mandated atheism

- no DCUM atheists or "new atheists" are pushing for killing people

- zero (or close to it) atheists in the US are responsible for the communist states or have any connection to them

- life with deep beliefs in supernatural forces has resulted in the deaths of many more people than life without those beliefs

Show us on the infographic where the deaths of people who had deep religious beliefs in the supernatural are categorized.

Where is your data for your claim that religious people killed 1 billion people in the preceding millennia?

You are obviously just making numbers up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:According to the Encyclopedia of Wars, out of all 1,763 known/recorded historical conflicts, 121, or 6.87%, had religion as their primary cause.

Matthew White's The Great Big Book of Horrible Things gives religion as the primary cause of 11 of the world's 100 deadliest atrocities.

OK. The vast majority of people who were responsible for the killings in those wars were religious.

Being religious doesn't prevent people from killing others.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
- atheists in communist countries killed 94 million people in the 20th century - that was bad

- religious people in other countries killed 350+ million people in the 20th century (plus ~1 billion in preceding millennia) - that was also bad

- no DCUM atheists or "new atheists" are pushing for state-mandated atheism

- no DCUM atheists or "new atheists" are pushing for killing people

- zero (or close to it) atheists in the US are responsible for the communist states or have any connection to them

- life with deep beliefs in supernatural forces has resulted in the deaths of many more people than life without those beliefs

Show us on the infographic where the deaths of people who had deep religious beliefs in the supernatural are categorized.

Bubble graphic. The vast majority of people who killed others in the 20th century (and earlier) believed in supernatural forces (various gods).

This is 2015. The % of religious people would be even higher in the 20th century.
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2017/04/05/the-changing-global-religious-landscape/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
- atheists in communist countries killed 94 million people in the 20th century - that was bad

- religious people in other countries killed 350+ million people in the 20th century (plus ~1 billion in preceding millennia) - that was also bad

- no DCUM atheists or "new atheists" are pushing for state-mandated atheism

- no DCUM atheists or "new atheists" are pushing for killing people

- zero (or close to it) atheists in the US are responsible for the communist states or have any connection to them

- life with deep beliefs in supernatural forces has resulted in the deaths of many more people than life without those beliefs

Show us on the infographic where the deaths of people who had deep religious beliefs in the supernatural are categorized.

Bubble graphic. The vast majority of people who killed others in the 20th century (and earlier) believed in supernatural forces (various gods).

This is 2015. The % of religious people would be even higher in the 20th century.
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2017/04/05/the-changing-global-religious-landscape/

What does this prove?

You have not one piece of data to prove any of your claims.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
- atheists in communist countries killed 94 million people in the 20th century - that was bad

- religious people in other countries killed 350+ million people in the 20th century (plus ~1 billion in preceding millennia) - that was also bad

- no DCUM atheists or "new atheists" are pushing for state-mandated atheism

- no DCUM atheists or "new atheists" are pushing for killing people

- zero (or close to it) atheists in the US are responsible for the communist states or have any connection to them

- life with deep beliefs in supernatural forces has resulted in the deaths of many more people than life without those beliefs

Show us on the infographic where the deaths of people who had deep religious beliefs in the supernatural are categorized.

Where is your data for your claim that religious people killed 1 billion people in the preceding millennia?

You are obviously just making numbers up.

The 1 billion came from an earlier, unchallenged post. The vast majority of the people doing the killing in the preceding millennia believed in some supernatural forces / god(s).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
- atheists in communist countries killed 94 million people in the 20th century - that was bad

- religious people in other countries killed 350+ million people in the 20th century (plus ~1 billion in preceding millennia) - that was also bad

- no DCUM atheists or "new atheists" are pushing for state-mandated atheism

- no DCUM atheists or "new atheists" are pushing for killing people

- zero (or close to it) atheists in the US are responsible for the communist states or have any connection to them

- life with deep beliefs in supernatural forces has resulted in the deaths of many more people than life without those beliefs

Show us on the infographic where the deaths of people who had deep religious beliefs in the supernatural are categorized.

Bubble graphic. The vast majority of people who killed others in the 20th century (and earlier) believed in supernatural forces (various gods).

This is 2015. The % of religious people would be even higher in the 20th century.
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2017/04/05/the-changing-global-religious-landscape/

What does this prove?

You have not one piece of data to prove any of your claims.

The vast majority of people believe in supernatural forces / god(s). Does that really need to be proven?

[Anonymous]

Here’s the thing about atheism:

It’s not one size fits all. And most is if don’t give a hoot what someone else in the group is doing. You want to pray or celebrate Diwali? Cool. I. Don’t. Care.

But I also don’t believe.

[Anonymous]

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You have nothing explaining your claim how “deep religious beliefs” resulted in millions of murders. You have zero facts or figures to support your claim, how did deep religious beliefs cause 350 million murders? You have no sources, no citations, no number data.

The people who complied the infographic explained their data and their numbers.

They put deaths from religious beliefs under ideology. They have the data and the information to make this infographic.

You are making claims and hijacking the work of many other people, including data scientists, and making up numbers without showing any evidence, statistics, or data.

The people who were responsible for 94 million deaths in communist countries were atheist.

The people who were responsible for the vast majority of deaths in the 20th century everywhere else were religious.

If a Christian (or anyone from any religious denomination) killed/murdered, the infographic has counted it under the ideology. This is an infographic about the causes of death in the 20th century, not an infographic that shows who personally murdered or killed someone.

Cause of death is different than the identity of the person who killed.

For example, John killed somebody. He believed in God but didn’t belong to a church. He killed his neighbor, Mike, because his Mike ran over his beloved dog.

That’s not a murder because of an ideology, that is a murder because an old guy really loved his dog. A man who believes in God killed someone, but the motivation for the murder wasn’t from his ideology.

You are making up hella numbers without rhyme or reason. It’s really egregious.

You can keep spamming your made up stuff, but it’s meaningless.

You are taking the infographic and making up numbers randomly.

You are making claims about a period in history that we don’t have data from, or extremely limited data, and claims no one could ever begin to possibly prove.
Dude, you’re embarrassing yourself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
- atheists in communist countries killed 94 million people in the 20th century - that was bad

- religious people in other countries killed 350+ million people in the 20th century (plus ~1 billion in preceding millennia) - that was also bad

- no DCUM atheists or "new atheists" are pushing for state-mandated atheism

- no DCUM atheists or "new atheists" are pushing for killing people

- zero (or close to it) atheists in the US are responsible for the communist states or have any connection to them

- life with deep beliefs in supernatural forces has resulted in the deaths of many more people than life without those beliefs

Show us on the infographic where the deaths of people who had deep religious beliefs in the supernatural are categorized.

Bubble graphic. The vast majority of people who killed others in the 20th century (and earlier) believed in supernatural forces (various gods).

This is 2015. The % of religious people would be even higher in the 20th century.
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2017/04/05/the-changing-global-religious-landscape/

What does this prove?

You have not one piece of data to prove any of your claims.

The vast majority of people believe in supernatural forces / god(s). Does that really need to be proven?

BUT THAT DOESN’T mean they killed someone based on their religious ideology.

The infographic is Causes of death, not a list of people who killed.

If a religious person killed somebody for non-religious reasons, they wouldn’t be classified under ideology on this infographic.They would just be under murder or whatever the data scientists who researched and built this infographic felt was the correct category.

You are making numbers up about things you have zero idea about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In recent months, a spate of atheist books have argued that religion represents, as "End of Faith" author Sam Harris puts it, "the most potent source of human conflict, past and present."

Columnist Robert Kuttner gives the familiar litany. "The Crusades slaughtered millions in the name of Jesus. The Inquisition brought the torture and murder of millions more. After Martin Luther, Christians did bloody battle with other Christians for another three centuries."

In his bestseller "The God Delusion," Richard Dawkins contends that most of the world's recent conflicts – in the Middle East, in the Balkans, in Northern Ireland, in Kashmir, and in Sri Lanka – show the vitality of religion's murderous impulse.

The crimes of atheism have generally been perpetrated through a hubristic ideology that sees man, not God, as the creator of values. Using the latest techniques of science and technology, man seeks to displace God and create a secular utopia here on earth. Of course if some people – the Jews, the landowners, the unfit, or the handicapped – have to be eliminated in order to achieve this utopia, this is a price the atheist tyrants and their apologists have shown themselves quite willing to pay. Thus they confirm the truth of Fyodor Dostoyevsky's dictum, "If God is not, everything is permitted."

Whatever the motives for atheist bloodthirstiness, the indisputable fact is that all the religions of the world put together have in 2,000 years not managed to kill as many people as have been killed in the name of atheism in the past few decades.

It's time to abandon the mindlessly repeated mantra that religious belief has been the greatest source of human conflict and violence. Atheism, not religion, is the real force behind the mass murders of history.

This is why you are spamming made up crap.

Atheists here won’t even acknowledge this.

Your big acknowledgment is “killing is bad, atheists killed but religious people kill more”

and then you pull some numbers out of your butt and claim victory.

Atheists will never be trusted by the vast majority and of people worldwide because of the genocides they perpetrated ON THEIR OWN PEOPLE.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In recent months, a spate of atheist books have argued that religion represents, as "End of Faith" author Sam Harris puts it, "the most potent source of human conflict, past and present."

Columnist Robert Kuttner gives the familiar litany. "The Crusades slaughtered millions in the name of Jesus. The Inquisition brought the torture and murder of millions more. After Martin Luther, Christians did bloody battle with other Christians for another three centuries."

In his bestseller "The God Delusion," Richard Dawkins contends that most of the world's recent conflicts – in the Middle East, in the Balkans, in Northern Ireland, in Kashmir, and in Sri Lanka – show the vitality of religion's murderous impulse.

The crimes of atheism have generally been perpetrated through a hubristic ideology that sees man, not God, as the creator of values. Using the latest techniques of science and technology, man seeks to displace God and create a secular utopia here on earth. Of course if some people – the Jews, the landowners, the unfit, or the handicapped – have to be eliminated in order to achieve this utopia, this is a price the atheist tyrants and their apologists have shown themselves quite willing to pay. Thus they confirm the truth of Fyodor Dostoyevsky's dictum, "If God is not, everything is permitted."

Whatever the motives for atheist bloodthirstiness, the indisputable fact is that all the religions of the world put together have in 2,000 years not managed to kill as many people as have been killed in the name of atheism in the past few decades.

It's time to abandon the mindlessly repeated mantra that religious belief has been the greatest source of human conflict and violence. Atheism, not religion, is the real force behind the mass murders of history.

This is why you are spamming made up crap.

Atheists here won’t even acknowledge this.

Your big acknowledgment is “killing is bad, atheists killed but religious people kill more”

and then you pull some numbers out of your butt and claim victory.

Atheists will never be trusted by the vast majority and of people worldwide because of the genocides they perpetrated ON THEIR OWN PEOPLE.

Umm I have never read such a ridiculous desperate thread. Atheists are not a country or a civilization. Who are "they"? The political leadership in those countries that committed genocide don't represent Atheists, in the same way Hamas doesn't represent all Muslims. I'm an Atheist who simply doesn't believe in God. I don't have an "Atheist" community, I have no idea what most of the people I know believe unless they are very overt about it. Either you believe in a God/Gods or you don't. What has popularity have to do with lack of faith?..

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
- atheists in communist countries killed 94 million people in the 20th century - that was bad

- religious people in other countries killed 350+ million people in the 20th century (plus ~1 billion in preceding millennia) - that was also bad

- no DCUM atheists or "new atheists" are pushing for state-mandated atheism

- no DCUM atheists or "new atheists" are pushing for killing people

- zero (or close to it) atheists in the US are responsible for the communist states or have any connection to them

- life with deep beliefs in supernatural forces has resulted in the deaths of many more people than life without those beliefs

Show us on the infographic where the deaths of people who had deep religious beliefs in the supernatural are categorized.

Bubble graphic. The vast majority of people who killed others in the 20th century (and earlier) believed in supernatural forces (various gods).

This is 2015. The % of religious people would be even higher in the 20th century.
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2017/04/05/the-changing-global-religious-landscape/

What does this prove?

You have not one piece of data to prove any of your claims.

The vast majority of people believe in supernatural forces / god(s). Does that really need to be proven?

BUT THAT DOESN’T mean they killed someone based on their religious ideology.

The infographic is Causes of death, not a list of people who killed.

If a religious person killed somebody for non-religious reasons, they wouldn’t be classified under ideology on this infographic.They would just be under murder or whatever the data scientists who researched and built this infographic felt was the correct category.

You are making numbers up about things you have zero idea about.

I never said they did.

You are intentionally misrepresenting what I've written.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In recent months, a spate of atheist books have argued that religion represents, as "End of Faith" author Sam Harris puts it, "the most potent source of human conflict, past and present."

Columnist Robert Kuttner gives the familiar litany. "The Crusades slaughtered millions in the name of Jesus. The Inquisition brought the torture and murder of millions more. After Martin Luther, Christians did bloody battle with other Christians for another three centuries."

In his bestseller "The God Delusion," Richard Dawkins contends that most of the world's recent conflicts – in the Middle East, in the Balkans, in Northern Ireland, in Kashmir, and in Sri Lanka – show the vitality of religion's murderous impulse.

The crimes of atheism have generally been perpetrated through a hubristic ideology that sees man, not God, as the creator of values. Using the latest techniques of science and technology, man seeks to displace God and create a secular utopia here on earth. Of course if some people – the Jews, the landowners, the unfit, or the handicapped – have to be eliminated in order to achieve this utopia, this is a price the atheist tyrants and their apologists have shown themselves quite willing to pay. Thus they confirm the truth of Fyodor Dostoyevsky's dictum, "If God is not, everything is permitted."

Whatever the motives for atheist bloodthirstiness, the indisputable fact is that all the religions of the world put together have in 2,000 years not managed to kill as many people as have been killed in the name of atheism in the past few decades.

It's time to abandon the mindlessly repeated mantra that religious belief has been the greatest source of human conflict and violence. Atheism, not religion, is the real force behind the mass murders of history.

This is why you are spamming made up crap.

Atheists here won’t even acknowledge this.

Your big acknowledgment is “killing is bad, atheists killed but religious people kill more”

and then you pull some numbers out of your butt and claim victory.

Atheists will never be trusted by the vast majority and of people worldwide because of the genocides they perpetrated ON THEIR OWN PEOPLE.

Umm I have never read such a ridiculous desperate thread. Atheists are not a country or a civilization. Who are "they"? The political leadership in those countries that committed genocide don't represent Atheists, in the same way Hamas doesn't represent all Muslims. I'm an Atheist who simply doesn't believe in God. I don't have an "Atheist" community, I have no idea what most of the people I know believe unless they are very overt about it. Either you believe in a God/Gods or you don't. What has popularity have to do with lack of faith?..

So why has every government that mandated atheism perpetrated mass murders (at least 100 million deaths) on their own people? Just a coincidence?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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You have nothing explaining your claim how “deep religious beliefs” resulted in millions of murders. You have zero facts or figures to support your claim, how did deep religious beliefs cause 350 million murders? You have no sources, no citations, no number data.

The people who complied the infographic explained their data and their numbers.

They put deaths from religious beliefs under ideology. They have the data and the information to make this infographic.

You are making claims and hijacking the work of many other people, including data scientists, and making up numbers without showing any evidence, statistics, or data.

The people who were responsible for 94 million deaths in communist countries were atheist.

The people who were responsible for the vast majority of deaths in the 20th century everywhere else were religious.

If a Christian (or anyone from any religious denomination) killed/murdered, the infographic has counted it under the ideology. This is an infographic about the causes of death in the 20th century, not an infographic that shows who personally murdered or killed someone.

Cause of death is different than the identity of the person who killed.

For example, John killed somebody. He believed in God but didn’t belong to a church. He killed his neighbor, Mike, because his Mike ran over his beloved dog.

That’s not a murder because of an ideology, that is a murder because an old guy really loved his dog. A man who believes in God killed someone, but the motivation for the murder wasn’t from his ideology.

You are making up hella numbers without rhyme or reason. It’s really egregious.

You can keep spamming your made up stuff, but it’s meaningless.

You are taking the infographic and making up numbers randomly.

You are making claims about a period in history that we don’t have data from, or extremely limited data, and claims no one could ever begin to possibly prove.
Dude, you’re embarrassing yourself.

It's just how the numbers work when the vast majority of people believe in supernatural forces.

Let's say 1 billion people were killed in the last millennia. Say that 20% of those were killed by atheists (way overestimating), then that leaves 800 million people who were killed by people who believe in supernatural forces.

Look at the last couple hundred years:
http://christianityinview.com/religion-statistics.html

There just aren't that many atheists.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
- atheists in communist countries killed 94 million people in the 20th century - that was bad

- religious people in other countries killed 350+ million people in the 20th century (plus ~1 billion in preceding millennia) - that was also bad

- no DCUM atheists or "new atheists" are pushing for state-mandated atheism

- no DCUM atheists or "new atheists" are pushing for killing people

- zero (or close to it) atheists in the US are responsible for the communist states or have any connection to them

- life with deep beliefs in supernatural forces has resulted in the deaths of many more people than life without those beliefs

Show us on the infographic where the deaths of people who had deep religious beliefs in the supernatural are categorized.

Bubble graphic. The vast majority of people who killed others in the 20th century (and earlier) believed in supernatural forces (various gods).

This is 2015. The % of religious people would be even higher in the 20th century.
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2017/04/05/the-changing-global-religious-landscape/

What does this prove?

You have not one piece of data to prove any of your claims.

The vast majority of people believe in supernatural forces / god(s). Does that really need to be proven?

BUT THAT DOESN’T mean they killed someone based on their religious ideology.

The infographic is Causes of death, not a list of people who killed.

If a religious person killed somebody for non-religious reasons, they wouldn’t be classified under ideology on this infographic.They would just be under murder or whatever the data scientists who researched and built this infographic felt was the correct category.

You are making numbers up about things you have zero idea about.

I never said they did.

You are intentionally misrepresenting what I've written.

You are taking an infographic that shows causes of death for a specific time period and stating that because Christians have a higher population, they have committed more murders because of their deep supernatural beliefs. None of that is reflected or counted or confirmed in the infographic. If Christians killed people because of their Christian ideology, it’s shown of the infographic as the makers judged it as a cause of death.

Your guesses about the data are meaningless and you don’t know why the murders in the murder bubble were committed.