RFK Jr. Running as independent
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Anonymous
Did that work when Nader put Bush into the White House? Did it help our nation ultimately to have GWB in the WH? |
Anonymous
So he would be in a decent position to run for president now if he had taken the initiative to demonstrate an ability to successfully lead in an executive governing position with a tenure as a state governor or some other executive governing position. Jumping in to the national political scene at 70 years old makes him no more fit to be POTUS than Trump or Biden. I'm fine with him pulling votes away from Trump but in no way is he the viable 3rd party candidate that will remind the American people of what a fit for office presidential candidate looks like next to the weak major party candidates. |
Anonymous
I see the conundrum for the Democrats. If you run a candidate that appeals to the middle, then you may alienate the more progressive element, which may run their own candidate (e.g., Nader) and siphon votes. If you run a candidate that appeals to the progressive element, that may alienate more traditional liberals, and a more middle-of-the-road candidate may appeal to them. The converse is true for the Republicans but pitting the right-wing populists against the pro-business libertarians. That's politics. Compromise is hard. The party coalitions are fragile. To address your observation re: Nader, I'd say that Nader accomplished his goal of getting the D's to move left on policy --> since the progressives were willing the walk away, they had to be accommodated. The current parties are choosing candidates to appeal to the farther reaches of their coalitions (i.e., progressive on the left, populists on the right), and risk losing their more mainstream voters. The only way the Ds and Rs realize they need to accommodate traditional liberals and pro-business libertarians, respectively, is for those folks to vote third party. Enjoy the game. We'll see what happens in November. |
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Anonymous
+1 yes, voters like me as well |
Anonymous
That is a very flawed analysis. It just teaches the GOP and the Dems to get their big donors to fund and use spoiler candidates to help win elections. |
Anonymous
The Democrats have the big tent. They truly do try to keep everyone happy. The GOP just kicks out all the “RINOs.” And it is not a game; this is why the GOP is just flat out evil. Democracy is on the line. Every time a Republican is in office, terrible damage is done to the US. |
Anonymous
| Cesar Chavez’s family asks RFK to stop invoking his name and using his likeness. They reiterate their support for Biden. https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2024/03/29/cesar-chavez-rfk-jr-campaign/ |
Anonymous
Dems have not moved left on policy. What a weird thing to assert. Nader didn’t do anything except usher in the Iraq war by getting Bush elected. |
Anonymous
And a third party vote will yield nothing but women with a lifetime of decreasing rights and protections. I’d like to point out that Republican posters on this page are constantly blurring the lines between threads and against arguing points that no one is making and it feels like it’s being done in a very calculated way. Paid or not I don’t know, but it feels deliberate. Check which thread you’re in before replying and be aware that skulduggery is afoot. |
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People who freak out about women’s issues are similar to people who are freaking out over crime. It seems like an overreaction. As a women, I mostly care about the economy and my pay. Can I support my family?
Overall, unwanted pregnancies are WAY down. Teen pregnancies way down. We are doing a good job making birth control accessible. We could do even better to make birth control accessible to eliminate the need for (frankly unnecessary) last-resort abortions. Abortions should be reserved for the most extreme situations, which of course happen. When my sister had a pro abortion mug, I was frankly surprised by her lack of taste and decency. It’s like she missed the point. If it said “save abortion as a last resort” medical procedure, I would have felt better. But that would be too much for a mug slogan. Re: Running mate: I think the main message of the RFK jr running mate lady re IVF is that it should be regulated. She is not wrong. There are some predatory practices. Same with sperm banks. They may need more regulatory oversight. She said that they are “selling a bill of goods.” This is not crazy talk. Ask any lady who has been through it. Running mate is not against the medical procedure or the actual practice. |
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One final thought: If we worked on policies that support women’s ability to support their families, renter the workforce once they give birth, AND and grow their income — that would be worthwhile. Those are the women and family topics I want our government to focus on. Not fringe medical procedures.
— guess why we don’t ? It really HARD. It would mean some major pro women labor laws and other social safety nets for children. Talk about my money, then I am interested. |
Anonymous
What the GOP says is not what they do. They want embryos to be declared people, they want abortion bans, they want to get rid of birth control and they want to get rid of IVF and control women and their decisions about reproduction. They need to be kept out of power. |
Anonymous
The Ds did not and have not acted like democracy was on the line. Instead, they spent two years trying to pass the social welfare provisions of the BBBA; if democracy were "on the line," those were critical years to backfill with legislation to protect transitions of power. Instead, the Ds were acting like it was business as usual and it was their time to jam through as much social welfare legislation as they could. I agree that the Rs have kicked out the RINOs, the types of candidates I might otherwise support. Ergo . . . I have my protest vote. |
Anonymous
Great. More choices. And when the main parties keep getting burned by this tactic, maybe we eventually get ranked choice voting. |