Ready to be done with Disney

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In a trial, if the prosecution finishes presenting their case and the judge finds they have not met their burden of proof, the judge may dismiss the case (even before the defense presents their side) for insufficient evidence.

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Burden of proof is on the prosecution, not the defense.

Where the hell did you go to law school?
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Fatphobic a-hole.


It was the Dumbo Throw down show!


For some reason it bothered me even more that it was by a ride aimed at small kids.


Again, we’ve been to Disney a lot and have never seen anything close to that.

So recognize that what you saw was not typical.


Search Disney World Fights on YouTube.
It happens more than it should.


I could find you 100 examples of fights all over the place. This is far from a Disney thing.


No one is saying it is and you completely miss the point.

Fights are not all that rare at DW.


If that’s true, I would’ve expected to have seen one, given that we go quite a bit.


It is documented in many videos. And that's true.
Sorry you never saw as I know you think you are the center of the universe.


Ah yes — because it’s in videos online, that must mean it happens all the time.

Data analysis isn’t your strong suit, is it?


It happens regularly and is reported as such regularly.
Locally and sometimes nationally.
And people record the fights regularly.
Reality isn't your strong suit is it?


Prove to me it happens regularly. Give me numbers.


Lol. You think Disney releases numbers? “Sweet summer child,” as a Disney addict (maybe you) called another poster.

Companies don’t release incident reports that reflect on them negatively.


I know. I knew you wouldn’t have evidence and are just pulling crap out of your butt.


The videos are there for all to see. You can’t explain them away. They are actual evidence.

You are in denial. Of course I don’t have statistics. I don’t think about Disney 24/7, or ever until it appears on Recent Topics and I have a slow day at work.


Videos are anecdotal. I asked for actual evidence of WDW having more fights than other places that get similar numbers of visitors.

You don’t have that evidence.

At least admit you’re making an assertion based on internet anecdata.


I am not your research assistant. Enjoy your lame Disney vacations. What I have posted is true.

I was there and my kids witnessed a fight by Dumbo. That is not internet anecdata, I was personally there. That is direct evidence that fights occur.

You have admitted that. You don’t need me to provide a dissertation.

Fights don’t just occur “everywhere.” That isn’t how crime works. Would you say every part of DC is equally safe?

I am fine being done with Disney. I am allowed to express my negative experiences.

Why aren’t you fine with me being done with Disney? You are insecure about your affection for the place. At heart, you know it’s lame.



Honestly, at this point I’m annoyed by your total lack of analytic skills.

You witnessing a fight isn’t evidence that fights happen regularly there.

Internet videos aren’t either.

I’ve told you the evidence that’s needed. The fact that you don’t understand why that’s needed to make the assertion you did just shows your analytic skills are very poor.


It’s very odd how you seem unable to Google. DP told you what to google on YouTube.


DP
The person who makes the claim presents the evidence. If you can’t do that, you don’t have a reasonable argument.


Plenty of evidence has been “presented.”

But here you go: https://nypost.com/2023/05/16/brawl-breaks-out-at-disney-world-after-family-refuses-to-move-for-a-photo-op/amp/

So classy.

Then there is the warning about behavior: https://nypost.com/2022/12/29/disney-issues-behavior-warning-to-parkgoers-as-fights-increase/

I don’t see any evidence KSC has ever had similar events or posted a warning about fighting. CN you produce your evidence?


Burden of proof is on you, not me, and unless those articles have quantitative evidence that the problem is worse there than at other tourist attractions that are similarly popular, then it doesn’t prove your point.

I have contended that fights and bad behavior are an overall societal issue. It’s on you to prove it’s especially bad at WDW.


So prove this “societal issue” occurs at KSC as much as Disney. Go on.


PP here: I will concede the attendance numbers. I don’t need that.

Provide evidence it happens equally on a percentage basis of attendees at KSC than at Disney.


As I’ve said, the quant data doesn’t exist for any of this. But you’re the one who made the claim. It’s up to you to prove it.


Lol. No, it isn’t.

This isn’t a court of law, it’s the Internet. But if it was—and disliking Disney was a tort—

When I have been involved in cases before actual courts of law, both sides present their best case. If you don’t have one, it is common to obfuscate.

I said that the time I went to Disney, there was a fight. I can produce at least 5 witnesses. I have no wish to go back.

You are the defense. You made the claim that fights occur everywhere all the time and Disney is just fine, no different than everywhere else. I should wish to go back!

As such, your argument is a rebuttal. You then have to establish evidence this is within the range of normal life.

As such, YOU need to provide the data that WDW is safer than the venue compared. I claim KSC is safer/has fewer fights. Prove me wrong.


Nope. You presented the initial argument. If there’s no evidentiary basis for it, then the case should be thrown out. Pretty sure that’s how this all works.


Pretty sure you aren’t an attorney. I am.


For an attorney, your argumentation and logic skills are scarily awful. I’d be terrified for you to represent me.


Hahaha. Hope you don’t want your kids to go to Harvard like I did!
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Fatphobic a-hole.


It was the Dumbo Throw down show!


For some reason it bothered me even more that it was by a ride aimed at small kids.


Again, we’ve been to Disney a lot and have never seen anything close to that.

So recognize that what you saw was not typical.


Search Disney World Fights on YouTube.
It happens more than it should.


I could find you 100 examples of fights all over the place. This is far from a Disney thing.


No one is saying it is and you completely miss the point.

Fights are not all that rare at DW.


If that’s true, I would’ve expected to have seen one, given that we go quite a bit.


It is documented in many videos. And that's true.
Sorry you never saw as I know you think you are the center of the universe.


Ah yes — because it’s in videos online, that must mean it happens all the time.

Data analysis isn’t your strong suit, is it?


It happens regularly and is reported as such regularly.
Locally and sometimes nationally.
And people record the fights regularly.
Reality isn't your strong suit is it?


Prove to me it happens regularly. Give me numbers.


Lol. You think Disney releases numbers? “Sweet summer child,” as a Disney addict (maybe you) called another poster.

Companies don’t release incident reports that reflect on them negatively.


I know. I knew you wouldn’t have evidence and are just pulling crap out of your butt.


The videos are there for all to see. You can’t explain them away. They are actual evidence.

You are in denial. Of course I don’t have statistics. I don’t think about Disney 24/7, or ever until it appears on Recent Topics and I have a slow day at work.


Videos are anecdotal. I asked for actual evidence of WDW having more fights than other places that get similar numbers of visitors.

You don’t have that evidence.

At least admit you’re making an assertion based on internet anecdata.


I am not your research assistant. Enjoy your lame Disney vacations. What I have posted is true.

I was there and my kids witnessed a fight by Dumbo. That is not internet anecdata, I was personally there. That is direct evidence that fights occur.

You have admitted that. You don’t need me to provide a dissertation.

Fights don’t just occur “everywhere.” That isn’t how crime works. Would you say every part of DC is equally safe?

I am fine being done with Disney. I am allowed to express my negative experiences.

Why aren’t you fine with me being done with Disney? You are insecure about your affection for the place. At heart, you know it’s lame.



Honestly, at this point I’m annoyed by your total lack of analytic skills.

You witnessing a fight isn’t evidence that fights happen regularly there.

Internet videos aren’t either.

I’ve told you the evidence that’s needed. The fact that you don’t understand why that’s needed to make the assertion you did just shows your analytic skills are very poor.


It’s very odd how you seem unable to Google. DP told you what to google on YouTube.


DP
The person who makes the claim presents the evidence. If you can’t do that, you don’t have a reasonable argument.


Plenty of evidence has been “presented.”

But here you go: https://nypost.com/2023/05/16/brawl-breaks-out-at-disney-world-after-family-refuses-to-move-for-a-photo-op/amp/

So classy.

Then there is the warning about behavior: https://nypost.com/2022/12/29/disney-issues-behavior-warning-to-parkgoers-as-fights-increase/

I don’t see any evidence KSC has ever had similar events or posted a warning about fighting. CN you produce your evidence?


Burden of proof is on you, not me, and unless those articles have quantitative evidence that the problem is worse there than at other tourist attractions that are similarly popular, then it doesn’t prove your point.

I have contended that fights and bad behavior are an overall societal issue. It’s on you to prove it’s especially bad at WDW.


So prove this “societal issue” occurs at KSC as much as Disney. Go on.


PP here: I will concede the attendance numbers. I don’t need that.

Provide evidence it happens equally on a percentage basis of attendees at KSC than at Disney.


As I’ve said, the quant data doesn’t exist for any of this. But you’re the one who made the claim. It’s up to you to prove it.


Lol. No, it isn’t.

This isn’t a court of law, it’s the Internet. But if it was—and disliking Disney was a tort—

When I have been involved in cases before actual courts of law, both sides present their best case. If you don’t have one, it is common to obfuscate.

I said that the time I went to Disney, there was a fight. I can produce at least 5 witnesses. I have no wish to go back.

You are the defense. You made the claim that fights occur everywhere all the time and Disney is just fine, no different than everywhere else. I should wish to go back!

As such, your argument is a rebuttal. You then have to establish evidence this is within the range of normal life.

As such, YOU need to provide the data that WDW is safer than the venue compared. I claim KSC is safer/has fewer fights. Prove me wrong.


Nope. You presented the initial argument. If there’s no evidentiary basis for it, then the case should be thrown out. Pretty sure that’s how this all works.


Pretty sure you aren’t an attorney. I am.


For an attorney, your argumentation and logic skills are scarily awful. I’d be terrified for you to represent me.


+1

A lawyer arguing a point without presenting facts/documentation?!?
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Anonymous wrote:Burden of proof is on the prosecution, not the defense.

Where the hell did you go to law school?


You are an idiot. The burden shifts.
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Anonymous wrote:Oh and you had to point out that they’re large.

Fatphobic a-hole.


It was the Dumbo Throw down show!


For some reason it bothered me even more that it was by a ride aimed at small kids.


Again, we’ve been to Disney a lot and have never seen anything close to that.

So recognize that what you saw was not typical.


Search Disney World Fights on YouTube.
It happens more than it should.


I could find you 100 examples of fights all over the place. This is far from a Disney thing.


No one is saying it is and you completely miss the point.

Fights are not all that rare at DW.


If that’s true, I would’ve expected to have seen one, given that we go quite a bit.


It is documented in many videos. And that's true.
Sorry you never saw as I know you think you are the center of the universe.


Ah yes — because it’s in videos online, that must mean it happens all the time.

Data analysis isn’t your strong suit, is it?


It happens regularly and is reported as such regularly.
Locally and sometimes nationally.
And people record the fights regularly.
Reality isn't your strong suit is it?


Prove to me it happens regularly. Give me numbers.


Lol. You think Disney releases numbers? “Sweet summer child,” as a Disney addict (maybe you) called another poster.

Companies don’t release incident reports that reflect on them negatively.


I know. I knew you wouldn’t have evidence and are just pulling crap out of your butt.


The videos are there for all to see. You can’t explain them away. They are actual evidence.

You are in denial. Of course I don’t have statistics. I don’t think about Disney 24/7, or ever until it appears on Recent Topics and I have a slow day at work.


Videos are anecdotal. I asked for actual evidence of WDW having more fights than other places that get similar numbers of visitors.

You don’t have that evidence.

At least admit you’re making an assertion based on internet anecdata.


I am not your research assistant. Enjoy your lame Disney vacations. What I have posted is true.

I was there and my kids witnessed a fight by Dumbo. That is not internet anecdata, I was personally there. That is direct evidence that fights occur.

You have admitted that. You don’t need me to provide a dissertation.

Fights don’t just occur “everywhere.” That isn’t how crime works. Would you say every part of DC is equally safe?

I am fine being done with Disney. I am allowed to express my negative experiences.

Why aren’t you fine with me being done with Disney? You are insecure about your affection for the place. At heart, you know it’s lame.



Honestly, at this point I’m annoyed by your total lack of analytic skills.

You witnessing a fight isn’t evidence that fights happen regularly there.

Internet videos aren’t either.

I’ve told you the evidence that’s needed. The fact that you don’t understand why that’s needed to make the assertion you did just shows your analytic skills are very poor.


It’s very odd how you seem unable to Google. DP told you what to google on YouTube.


DP
The person who makes the claim presents the evidence. If you can’t do that, you don’t have a reasonable argument.


Plenty of evidence has been “presented.”

But here you go: https://nypost.com/2023/05/16/brawl-breaks-out-at-disney-world-after-family-refuses-to-move-for-a-photo-op/amp/

So classy.

Then there is the warning about behavior: https://nypost.com/2022/12/29/disney-issues-behavior-warning-to-parkgoers-as-fights-increase/

I don’t see any evidence KSC has ever had similar events or posted a warning about fighting. CN you produce your evidence?


Burden of proof is on you, not me, and unless those articles have quantitative evidence that the problem is worse there than at other tourist attractions that are similarly popular, then it doesn’t prove your point.

I have contended that fights and bad behavior are an overall societal issue. It’s on you to prove it’s especially bad at WDW.


So prove this “societal issue” occurs at KSC as much as Disney. Go on.


PP here: I will concede the attendance numbers. I don’t need that.

Provide evidence it happens equally on a percentage basis of attendees at KSC than at Disney.


As I’ve said, the quant data doesn’t exist for any of this. But you’re the one who made the claim. It’s up to you to prove it.


Lol. No, it isn’t.

This isn’t a court of law, it’s the Internet. But if it was—and disliking Disney was a tort—

When I have been involved in cases before actual courts of law, both sides present their best case. If you don’t have one, it is common to obfuscate.

I said that the time I went to Disney, there was a fight. I can produce at least 5 witnesses. I have no wish to go back.

You are the defense. You made the claim that fights occur everywhere all the time and Disney is just fine, no different than everywhere else. I should wish to go back!

As such, your argument is a rebuttal. You then have to establish evidence this is within the range of normal life.

As such, YOU need to provide the data that WDW is safer than the venue compared. I claim KSC is safer/has fewer fights. Prove me wrong.


Nope. You presented the initial argument. If there’s no evidentiary basis for it, then the case should be thrown out. Pretty sure that’s how this all works.


Pretty sure you aren’t an attorney. I am.


For an attorney, your argumentation and logic skills are scarily awful. I’d be terrified for you to represent me.


Hahaha. Hope you don’t want your kids to go to Harvard like I did!


You went to Harvard and don’t know basic evidentiary proceedings?
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Anonymous wrote:Oh and you had to point out that they’re large.

Fatphobic a-hole.


It was the Dumbo Throw down show!


For some reason it bothered me even more that it was by a ride aimed at small kids.


Again, we’ve been to Disney a lot and have never seen anything close to that.

So recognize that what you saw was not typical.


Search Disney World Fights on YouTube.
It happens more than it should.


I could find you 100 examples of fights all over the place. This is far from a Disney thing.


No one is saying it is and you completely miss the point.

Fights are not all that rare at DW.


If that’s true, I would’ve expected to have seen one, given that we go quite a bit.


It is documented in many videos. And that's true.
Sorry you never saw as I know you think you are the center of the universe.


Ah yes — because it’s in videos online, that must mean it happens all the time.

Data analysis isn’t your strong suit, is it?


It happens regularly and is reported as such regularly.
Locally and sometimes nationally.
And people record the fights regularly.
Reality isn't your strong suit is it?


Prove to me it happens regularly. Give me numbers.


Lol. You think Disney releases numbers? “Sweet summer child,” as a Disney addict (maybe you) called another poster.

Companies don’t release incident reports that reflect on them negatively.


I know. I knew you wouldn’t have evidence and are just pulling crap out of your butt.


The videos are there for all to see. You can’t explain them away. They are actual evidence.

You are in denial. Of course I don’t have statistics. I don’t think about Disney 24/7, or ever until it appears on Recent Topics and I have a slow day at work.


Videos are anecdotal. I asked for actual evidence of WDW having more fights than other places that get similar numbers of visitors.

You don’t have that evidence.

At least admit you’re making an assertion based on internet anecdata.


I am not your research assistant. Enjoy your lame Disney vacations. What I have posted is true.

I was there and my kids witnessed a fight by Dumbo. That is not internet anecdata, I was personally there. That is direct evidence that fights occur.

You have admitted that. You don’t need me to provide a dissertation.

Fights don’t just occur “everywhere.” That isn’t how crime works. Would you say every part of DC is equally safe?

I am fine being done with Disney. I am allowed to express my negative experiences.

Why aren’t you fine with me being done with Disney? You are insecure about your affection for the place. At heart, you know it’s lame.



Honestly, at this point I’m annoyed by your total lack of analytic skills.

You witnessing a fight isn’t evidence that fights happen regularly there.

Internet videos aren’t either.

I’ve told you the evidence that’s needed. The fact that you don’t understand why that’s needed to make the assertion you did just shows your analytic skills are very poor.


It’s very odd how you seem unable to Google. DP told you what to google on YouTube.


DP
The person who makes the claim presents the evidence. If you can’t do that, you don’t have a reasonable argument.


Plenty of evidence has been “presented.”

But here you go: https://nypost.com/2023/05/16/brawl-breaks-out-at-disney-world-after-family-refuses-to-move-for-a-photo-op/amp/

So classy.

Then there is the warning about behavior: https://nypost.com/2022/12/29/disney-issues-behavior-warning-to-parkgoers-as-fights-increase/

I don’t see any evidence KSC has ever had similar events or posted a warning about fighting. CN you produce your evidence?


Burden of proof is on you, not me, and unless those articles have quantitative evidence that the problem is worse there than at other tourist attractions that are similarly popular, then it doesn’t prove your point.

I have contended that fights and bad behavior are an overall societal issue. It’s on you to prove it’s especially bad at WDW.


So prove this “societal issue” occurs at KSC as much as Disney. Go on.


PP here: I will concede the attendance numbers. I don’t need that.

Provide evidence it happens equally on a percentage basis of attendees at KSC than at Disney.


As I’ve said, the quant data doesn’t exist for any of this. But you’re the one who made the claim. It’s up to you to prove it.


Lol. No, it isn’t.

This isn’t a court of law, it’s the Internet. But if it was—and disliking Disney was a tort—

When I have been involved in cases before actual courts of law, both sides present their best case. If you don’t have one, it is common to obfuscate.

I said that the time I went to Disney, there was a fight. I can produce at least 5 witnesses. I have no wish to go back.

You are the defense. You made the claim that fights occur everywhere all the time and Disney is just fine, no different than everywhere else. I should wish to go back!

As such, your argument is a rebuttal. You then have to establish evidence this is within the range of normal life.

As such, YOU need to provide the data that WDW is safer than the venue compared. I claim KSC is safer/has fewer fights. Prove me wrong.


Nope. You presented the initial argument. If there’s no evidentiary basis for it, then the case should be thrown out. Pretty sure that’s how this all works.


Pretty sure you aren’t an attorney. I am.


For an attorney, your argumentation and logic skills are scarily awful. I’d be terrified for you to represent me.


+1

A lawyer arguing a point without presenting facts/documentation?!?


By “+1” you mean “sock puppet.”
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Anonymous wrote:Burden of proof is on the prosecution, not the defense.

Where the hell did you go to law school?


You are an idiot. The burden shifts.


If the prosecution doesn’t meet initial burden of proof, the case is DOA. I’m the defense. Defense rests.
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Anonymous wrote:Oh and you had to point out that they’re large.

Fatphobic a-hole.


It was the Dumbo Throw down show!


For some reason it bothered me even more that it was by a ride aimed at small kids.


Again, we’ve been to Disney a lot and have never seen anything close to that.

So recognize that what you saw was not typical.


Search Disney World Fights on YouTube.
It happens more than it should.


I could find you 100 examples of fights all over the place. This is far from a Disney thing.


No one is saying it is and you completely miss the point.

Fights are not all that rare at DW.


If that’s true, I would’ve expected to have seen one, given that we go quite a bit.


It is documented in many videos. And that's true.
Sorry you never saw as I know you think you are the center of the universe.


Ah yes — because it’s in videos online, that must mean it happens all the time.

Data analysis isn’t your strong suit, is it?


It happens regularly and is reported as such regularly.
Locally and sometimes nationally.
And people record the fights regularly.
Reality isn't your strong suit is it?


Prove to me it happens regularly. Give me numbers.


Lol. You think Disney releases numbers? “Sweet summer child,” as a Disney addict (maybe you) called another poster.

Companies don’t release incident reports that reflect on them negatively.


I know. I knew you wouldn’t have evidence and are just pulling crap out of your butt.


The videos are there for all to see. You can’t explain them away. They are actual evidence.

You are in denial. Of course I don’t have statistics. I don’t think about Disney 24/7, or ever until it appears on Recent Topics and I have a slow day at work.


Videos are anecdotal. I asked for actual evidence of WDW having more fights than other places that get similar numbers of visitors.

You don’t have that evidence.

At least admit you’re making an assertion based on internet anecdata.


I am not your research assistant. Enjoy your lame Disney vacations. What I have posted is true.

I was there and my kids witnessed a fight by Dumbo. That is not internet anecdata, I was personally there. That is direct evidence that fights occur.

You have admitted that. You don’t need me to provide a dissertation.

Fights don’t just occur “everywhere.” That isn’t how crime works. Would you say every part of DC is equally safe?

I am fine being done with Disney. I am allowed to express my negative experiences.

Why aren’t you fine with me being done with Disney? You are insecure about your affection for the place. At heart, you know it’s lame.



Honestly, at this point I’m annoyed by your total lack of analytic skills.

You witnessing a fight isn’t evidence that fights happen regularly there.

Internet videos aren’t either.

I’ve told you the evidence that’s needed. The fact that you don’t understand why that’s needed to make the assertion you did just shows your analytic skills are very poor.


It’s very odd how you seem unable to Google. DP told you what to google on YouTube.


DP
The person who makes the claim presents the evidence. If you can’t do that, you don’t have a reasonable argument.


Plenty of evidence has been “presented.”

But here you go: https://nypost.com/2023/05/16/brawl-breaks-out-at-disney-world-after-family-refuses-to-move-for-a-photo-op/amp/

So classy.

Then there is the warning about behavior: https://nypost.com/2022/12/29/disney-issues-behavior-warning-to-parkgoers-as-fights-increase/

I don’t see any evidence KSC has ever had similar events or posted a warning about fighting. CN you produce your evidence?


Burden of proof is on you, not me, and unless those articles have quantitative evidence that the problem is worse there than at other tourist attractions that are similarly popular, then it doesn’t prove your point.

I have contended that fights and bad behavior are an overall societal issue. It’s on you to prove it’s especially bad at WDW.


So prove this “societal issue” occurs at KSC as much as Disney. Go on.


PP here: I will concede the attendance numbers. I don’t need that.

Provide evidence it happens equally on a percentage basis of attendees at KSC than at Disney.


As I’ve said, the quant data doesn’t exist for any of this. But you’re the one who made the claim. It’s up to you to prove it.


Lol. No, it isn’t.

This isn’t a court of law, it’s the Internet. But if it was—and disliking Disney was a tort—

When I have been involved in cases before actual courts of law, both sides present their best case. If you don’t have one, it is common to obfuscate.

I said that the time I went to Disney, there was a fight. I can produce at least 5 witnesses. I have no wish to go back.

You are the defense. You made the claim that fights occur everywhere all the time and Disney is just fine, no different than everywhere else. I should wish to go back!

As such, your argument is a rebuttal. You then have to establish evidence this is within the range of normal life.

As such, YOU need to provide the data that WDW is safer than the venue compared. I claim KSC is safer/has fewer fights. Prove me wrong.


Nope. You presented the initial argument. If there’s no evidentiary basis for it, then the case should be thrown out. Pretty sure that’s how this all works.


Pretty sure you aren’t an attorney. I am.


For an attorney, your argumentation and logic skills are scarily awful. I’d be terrified for you to represent me.


+1

A lawyer arguing a point without presenting facts/documentation?!?


By “+1” you mean “sock puppet.”


Nope. Ask Jeff.
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Anonymous wrote:Oh and you had to point out that they’re large.

Fatphobic a-hole.


It was the Dumbo Throw down show!


For some reason it bothered me even more that it was by a ride aimed at small kids.


Again, we’ve been to Disney a lot and have never seen anything close to that.

So recognize that what you saw was not typical.


Search Disney World Fights on YouTube.
It happens more than it should.


I could find you 100 examples of fights all over the place. This is far from a Disney thing.


No one is saying it is and you completely miss the point.

Fights are not all that rare at DW.


If that’s true, I would’ve expected to have seen one, given that we go quite a bit.


It is documented in many videos. And that's true.
Sorry you never saw as I know you think you are the center of the universe.


Ah yes — because it’s in videos online, that must mean it happens all the time.

Data analysis isn’t your strong suit, is it?


It happens regularly and is reported as such regularly.
Locally and sometimes nationally.
And people record the fights regularly.
Reality isn't your strong suit is it?


Prove to me it happens regularly. Give me numbers.


Lol. You think Disney releases numbers? “Sweet summer child,” as a Disney addict (maybe you) called another poster.

Companies don’t release incident reports that reflect on them negatively.


I know. I knew you wouldn’t have evidence and are just pulling crap out of your butt.


The videos are there for all to see. You can’t explain them away. They are actual evidence.

You are in denial. Of course I don’t have statistics. I don’t think about Disney 24/7, or ever until it appears on Recent Topics and I have a slow day at work.


Videos are anecdotal. I asked for actual evidence of WDW having more fights than other places that get similar numbers of visitors.

You don’t have that evidence.

At least admit you’re making an assertion based on internet anecdata.


I am not your research assistant. Enjoy your lame Disney vacations. What I have posted is true.

I was there and my kids witnessed a fight by Dumbo. That is not internet anecdata, I was personally there. That is direct evidence that fights occur.

You have admitted that. You don’t need me to provide a dissertation.

Fights don’t just occur “everywhere.” That isn’t how crime works. Would you say every part of DC is equally safe?

I am fine being done with Disney. I am allowed to express my negative experiences.

Why aren’t you fine with me being done with Disney? You are insecure about your affection for the place. At heart, you know it’s lame.



Honestly, at this point I’m annoyed by your total lack of analytic skills.

You witnessing a fight isn’t evidence that fights happen regularly there.

Internet videos aren’t either.

I’ve told you the evidence that’s needed. The fact that you don’t understand why that’s needed to make the assertion you did just shows your analytic skills are very poor.


It’s very odd how you seem unable to Google. DP told you what to google on YouTube.


DP
The person who makes the claim presents the evidence. If you can’t do that, you don’t have a reasonable argument.


Plenty of evidence has been “presented.”

But here you go: https://nypost.com/2023/05/16/brawl-breaks-out-at-disney-world-after-family-refuses-to-move-for-a-photo-op/amp/

So classy.

Then there is the warning about behavior: https://nypost.com/2022/12/29/disney-issues-behavior-warning-to-parkgoers-as-fights-increase/

I don’t see any evidence KSC has ever had similar events or posted a warning about fighting. CN you produce your evidence?


Burden of proof is on you, not me, and unless those articles have quantitative evidence that the problem is worse there than at other tourist attractions that are similarly popular, then it doesn’t prove your point.

I have contended that fights and bad behavior are an overall societal issue. It’s on you to prove it’s especially bad at WDW.


So prove this “societal issue” occurs at KSC as much as Disney. Go on.


PP here: I will concede the attendance numbers. I don’t need that.

Provide evidence it happens equally on a percentage basis of attendees at KSC than at Disney.


As I’ve said, the quant data doesn’t exist for any of this. But you’re the one who made the claim. It’s up to you to prove it.


Lol. No, it isn’t.

This isn’t a court of law, it’s the Internet. But if it was—and disliking Disney was a tort—

When I have been involved in cases before actual courts of law, both sides present their best case. If you don’t have one, it is common to obfuscate.

I said that the time I went to Disney, there was a fight. I can produce at least 5 witnesses. I have no wish to go back.

You are the defense. You made the claim that fights occur everywhere all the time and Disney is just fine, no different than everywhere else. I should wish to go back!

As such, your argument is a rebuttal. You then have to establish evidence this is within the range of normal life.

As such, YOU need to provide the data that WDW is safer than the venue compared. I claim KSC is safer/has fewer fights. Prove me wrong.


Nope. You presented the initial argument. If there’s no evidentiary basis for it, then the case should be thrown out. Pretty sure that’s how this all works.


Pretty sure you aren’t an attorney. I am.


For an attorney, your argumentation and logic skills are scarily awful. I’d be terrified for you to represent me.


+1

A lawyer arguing a point without presenting facts/documentation?!?


By “+1” you mean “sock puppet.”


Ask Jeff. I’ll wait.
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Anonymous wrote:Oh and you had to point out that they’re large.

Fatphobic a-hole.


It was the Dumbo Throw down show!


For some reason it bothered me even more that it was by a ride aimed at small kids.


Again, we’ve been to Disney a lot and have never seen anything close to that.

So recognize that what you saw was not typical.


Search Disney World Fights on YouTube.
It happens more than it should.


I could find you 100 examples of fights all over the place. This is far from a Disney thing.


No one is saying it is and you completely miss the point.

Fights are not all that rare at DW.


If that’s true, I would’ve expected to have seen one, given that we go quite a bit.


It is documented in many videos. And that's true.
Sorry you never saw as I know you think you are the center of the universe.


Ah yes — because it’s in videos online, that must mean it happens all the time.

Data analysis isn’t your strong suit, is it?


It happens regularly and is reported as such regularly.
Locally and sometimes nationally.
And people record the fights regularly.
Reality isn't your strong suit is it?


Prove to me it happens regularly. Give me numbers.


Lol. You think Disney releases numbers? “Sweet summer child,” as a Disney addict (maybe you) called another poster.

Companies don’t release incident reports that reflect on them negatively.


I know. I knew you wouldn’t have evidence and are just pulling crap out of your butt.


The videos are there for all to see. You can’t explain them away. They are actual evidence.

You are in denial. Of course I don’t have statistics. I don’t think about Disney 24/7, or ever until it appears on Recent Topics and I have a slow day at work.


Videos are anecdotal. I asked for actual evidence of WDW having more fights than other places that get similar numbers of visitors.

You don’t have that evidence.

At least admit you’re making an assertion based on internet anecdata.


I am not your research assistant. Enjoy your lame Disney vacations. What I have posted is true.

I was there and my kids witnessed a fight by Dumbo. That is not internet anecdata, I was personally there. That is direct evidence that fights occur.

You have admitted that. You don’t need me to provide a dissertation.

Fights don’t just occur “everywhere.” That isn’t how crime works. Would you say every part of DC is equally safe?

I am fine being done with Disney. I am allowed to express my negative experiences.

Why aren’t you fine with me being done with Disney? You are insecure about your affection for the place. At heart, you know it’s lame.



Honestly, at this point I’m annoyed by your total lack of analytic skills.

You witnessing a fight isn’t evidence that fights happen regularly there.

Internet videos aren’t either.

I’ve told you the evidence that’s needed. The fact that you don’t understand why that’s needed to make the assertion you did just shows your analytic skills are very poor.


It’s very odd how you seem unable to Google. DP told you what to google on YouTube.


DP
The person who makes the claim presents the evidence. If you can’t do that, you don’t have a reasonable argument.


Plenty of evidence has been “presented.”

But here you go: https://nypost.com/2023/05/16/brawl-breaks-out-at-disney-world-after-family-refuses-to-move-for-a-photo-op/amp/

So classy.

Then there is the warning about behavior: https://nypost.com/2022/12/29/disney-issues-behavior-warning-to-parkgoers-as-fights-increase/

I don’t see any evidence KSC has ever had similar events or posted a warning about fighting. CN you produce your evidence?


Burden of proof is on you, not me, and unless those articles have quantitative evidence that the problem is worse there than at other tourist attractions that are similarly popular, then it doesn’t prove your point.

I have contended that fights and bad behavior are an overall societal issue. It’s on you to prove it’s especially bad at WDW.


So prove this “societal issue” occurs at KSC as much as Disney. Go on.


PP here: I will concede the attendance numbers. I don’t need that.

Provide evidence it happens equally on a percentage basis of attendees at KSC than at Disney.


As I’ve said, the quant data doesn’t exist for any of this. But you’re the one who made the claim. It’s up to you to prove it.


Lol. No, it isn’t.

This isn’t a court of law, it’s the Internet. But if it was—and disliking Disney was a tort—

When I have been involved in cases before actual courts of law, both sides present their best case. If you don’t have one, it is common to obfuscate.

I said that the time I went to Disney, there was a fight. I can produce at least 5 witnesses. I have no wish to go back.

You are the defense. You made the claim that fights occur everywhere all the time and Disney is just fine, no different than everywhere else. I should wish to go back!

As such, your argument is a rebuttal. You then have to establish evidence this is within the range of normal life.

As such, YOU need to provide the data that WDW is safer than the venue compared. I claim KSC is safer/has fewer fights. Prove me wrong.


Nope. You presented the initial argument. If there’s no evidentiary basis for it, then the case should be thrown out. Pretty sure that’s how this all works.


Pretty sure you aren’t an attorney. I am.


For an attorney, your argumentation and logic skills are scarily awful. I’d be terrified for you to represent me.


+1

A lawyer arguing a point without presenting facts/documentation?!?


By “+1” you mean “sock puppet.”


Nope. Ask Jeff.


Don’t worry - they won’t.
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You ask him. He can confirm I am an attorney from my previous posts, and probably that I went to HLS if he bothers to go back far enough. I hope he doesn’t waste his time.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:You ask him. He can confirm I am an attorney from my previous posts, and probably that I went to HLS if he bothers to go back far enough. I hope he doesn’t waste his time.


You don’t understand. I believe you. It just makes it that much more pathetic that you don’t understand basic evidentiary procedures.
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Anonymous wrote:Oh and you had to point out that they’re large.

Fatphobic a-hole.


It was the Dumbo Throw down show!


For some reason it bothered me even more that it was by a ride aimed at small kids.


Again, we’ve been to Disney a lot and have never seen anything close to that.

So recognize that what you saw was not typical.


Search Disney World Fights on YouTube.
It happens more than it should.


I could find you 100 examples of fights all over the place. This is far from a Disney thing.


No one is saying it is and you completely miss the point.

Fights are not all that rare at DW.


If that’s true, I would’ve expected to have seen one, given that we go quite a bit.


It is documented in many videos. And that's true.
Sorry you never saw as I know you think you are the center of the universe.


Ah yes — because it’s in videos online, that must mean it happens all the time.

Data analysis isn’t your strong suit, is it?


It happens regularly and is reported as such regularly.
Locally and sometimes nationally.
And people record the fights regularly.
Reality isn't your strong suit is it?


Prove to me it happens regularly. Give me numbers.


Lol. You think Disney releases numbers? “Sweet summer child,” as a Disney addict (maybe you) called another poster.

Companies don’t release incident reports that reflect on them negatively.


I know. I knew you wouldn’t have evidence and are just pulling crap out of your butt.


The videos are there for all to see. You can’t explain them away. They are actual evidence.

You are in denial. Of course I don’t have statistics. I don’t think about Disney 24/7, or ever until it appears on Recent Topics and I have a slow day at work.


Videos are anecdotal. I asked for actual evidence of WDW having more fights than other places that get similar numbers of visitors.

You don’t have that evidence.

At least admit you’re making an assertion based on internet anecdata.


I am not your research assistant. Enjoy your lame Disney vacations. What I have posted is true.

I was there and my kids witnessed a fight by Dumbo. That is not internet anecdata, I was personally there. That is direct evidence that fights occur.

You have admitted that. You don’t need me to provide a dissertation.

Fights don’t just occur “everywhere.” That isn’t how crime works. Would you say every part of DC is equally safe?

I am fine being done with Disney. I am allowed to express my negative experiences.

Why aren’t you fine with me being done with Disney? You are insecure about your affection for the place. At heart, you know it’s lame.



Honestly, at this point I’m annoyed by your total lack of analytic skills.

You witnessing a fight isn’t evidence that fights happen regularly there.

Internet videos aren’t either.

I’ve told you the evidence that’s needed. The fact that you don’t understand why that’s needed to make the assertion you did just shows your analytic skills are very poor.


It’s very odd how you seem unable to Google. DP told you what to google on YouTube.


DP
The person who makes the claim presents the evidence. If you can’t do that, you don’t have a reasonable argument.


Plenty of evidence has been “presented.”

But here you go: https://nypost.com/2023/05/16/brawl-breaks-out-at-disney-world-after-family-refuses-to-move-for-a-photo-op/amp/

So classy.

Then there is the warning about behavior: https://nypost.com/2022/12/29/disney-issues-behavior-warning-to-parkgoers-as-fights-increase/

I don’t see any evidence KSC has ever had similar events or posted a warning about fighting. CN you produce your evidence?


Burden of proof is on you, not me, and unless those articles have quantitative evidence that the problem is worse there than at other tourist attractions that are similarly popular, then it doesn’t prove your point.

I have contended that fights and bad behavior are an overall societal issue. It’s on you to prove it’s especially bad at WDW.


So prove this “societal issue” occurs at KSC as much as Disney. Go on.


PP here: I will concede the attendance numbers. I don’t need that.

Provide evidence it happens equally on a percentage basis of attendees at KSC than at Disney.


As I’ve said, the quant data doesn’t exist for any of this. But you’re the one who made the claim. It’s up to you to prove it.


Lol. No, it isn’t.

This isn’t a court of law, it’s the Internet. But if it was—and disliking Disney was a tort—

When I have been involved in cases before actual courts of law, both sides present their best case. If you don’t have one, it is common to obfuscate.

I said that the time I went to Disney, there was a fight. I can produce at least 5 witnesses. I have no wish to go back.

You are the defense. You made the claim that fights occur everywhere all the time and Disney is just fine, no different than everywhere else. I should wish to go back!

As such, your argument is a rebuttal. You then have to establish evidence this is within the range of normal life.

As such, YOU need to provide the data that WDW is safer than the venue compared. I claim KSC is safer/has fewer fights. Prove me wrong.


Nope. You presented the initial argument. If there’s no evidentiary basis for it, then the case should be thrown out. Pretty sure that’s how this all works.


Pretty sure you aren’t an attorney. I am.


For an attorney, your argumentation and logic skills are scarily awful. I’d be terrified for you to represent me.


+1

A lawyer arguing a point without presenting facts/documentation?!?


By “+1” you mean “sock puppet.”


Nope. Ask Jeff.


Don’t worry - they won’t.


Do it! Also have chronic migraines and a horse. Dare you!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:You ask him. He can confirm I am an attorney from my previous posts, and probably that I went to HLS if he bothers to go back far enough. I hope he doesn’t waste his time.


You don’t understand. I believe you. It just makes it that much more pathetic that you don’t understand basic evidentiary procedures.


On the court of law that is DCUM? Lol.
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