Honestly confused. So where is SES data by school if we have it? What specific kind of enrollment data are you touting as representing SES of the specific population? You don't need to insult me, FYI, I'm just being strict about ensuring that schools are compared fairly and I don't go by opinion or hypotheses, I prefer data. Honestly, as I don't know what data it is you're referring to that is specific to the actual school population (and not just race as we already discussed that this doesn't count, and not 'at risk' as we already posted those numbers which were comparable between the two schools), what actual data are you referring to? Just post it rather than insults. |
Right, but the income of the families who actually currently have students at Deal. Not the income of all families, or the income of all families with children. And bearing in mind that some 25% of Deal students come from outside the boundary, I don't think it's as easy as you seem to think it is. |
And if you want to know where BASIS pulls from, https://dme.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dme/page_content/attachments/SY2122_Public%20School%20Enrollments%20per%20DCPS%20Boundary_0.xlsx
25 kids from Deal boundary 17 kids from Hardy boundary 11 kids from Maury boundary 15 kids from SWW@FS boundary 33 kids from J-R boundary So let's not be saying that BASIS doesn't pull from high-income areas. And those are just the schools with 10 or more kids at BASIS. It's true that BASIS pulls kids from EOTR, but so does Deal. |
+1. I have a kid at SWS, we are not a family who can afford to live in bounds for other Capitol Hill schools. But I'm not going to pretend that the SWS population is significantly more poor than other schools on Capitol Hill. In addition, it's also clear that parents who make an effort to lottery into a higher performing school than their local school and shuttle their kids there across town (if they aren't close), are already a self-selected sample of more highly educated folks invested in their kids' education. So I don't buy someone making the same argument for Basis. |
Not the PP. Agree with you that better information on SES by school is needed. At-risk is really limited. At-risk included qualifying for TANF, SNAP (food stamps), homeless, overage in high school. To qualify for TANF for a household or two, the household income can be no more than approximately $600 per month. |
I suppose you could look at the income by census tract data on the census website and try to match that up with school boundaries. There's a metric "PERCENTAGE OF FAMILIES AND PEOPLE WHOSE INCOME IN THE PAST 12 MONTHS IS BELOW THE POVERTY LEVEL: All families: With related children of the householder under 18 years: With related children of the householder under 5 years only" But that seems like a real headache to accomplish. |
Did you think no one was familiar with the data and would notice you ae playing games and cherry picking? There are almost as many kids IB from Eastern as the entire group you cherry picked. 20% of the HS kids are from JR. 15% of the MS (excluding 5th grade, obv) is from Deal and Hardy. Your cherry picked group is less than 100 out of 650 enrolled. Here's what you didn't paste: Anacostia High School 12 Dunbar High School 31 Eastern High School 80 Roosevelt High School 14 Brookland Middle School 10 Eliot-Hine Middle School 36 Hardy Middle School 17 Hart Middle School 11 Ida B. Wells Middle School 14 Jefferson Middle School Academy 47 Kelly Miller Middle School 11 MacFarland Middle School 28 McKinley Middle School 10 Sousa Middle School 11 Stuart-Hobson Middle School 54 |
https://dme.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dme/page_content/attachments/SY2122_Public%20School%20Enrollments%20per%20DCPS%20Boundary_0.xlsx
Look at this DME data. It says there are 1471 students living in the Deal boundary who are of age to attend Deal. But only 1090 of them attend Deal. So you'd have to consider whether the 2561 kids who don't go to Deal are higher- or lower-income than the average for that group. Remembering that a lot of them probably go to private school, they may well be richer. On the other hand some go to CHEC, MacFarland, and EL Haynes which are not notorious rich-kid schools. So I dunno. Then you'd have to estimate the income of Deal's OOB population, which is 22% of the school so you can't just wave it away without analysis. It's hard to know their income-- there are some from very low-income areas, but many from Brookland and other mixed-income areas such as Bloomingdale and CHEC's zone. So I think it's a hard question and we just don't know. |
25% of Deal comes from outside that catchment. 10% of BASIS comes from inside Deal and JR. You want I should explain how these are not the same? |
Right, but lots of people IB for Eastern have plenty of money! Same for Dunbar, Cardozo, and all of them. It's bizarre that you think living IB for a low-performing high school means a family isn't high-income. Getting a spot at BASIS is what enables them to continue living IB for those schools! Do you know how much a small, not-that-nice row house in Bloomingdale costs these days FFS? There's a lot I didn't paste. Think how many kids from Deal and Hardy feeders are in 5th grade at BASIS. It's not enough to trigger reporting, because that's only if there's more than 10 from any one school. But there are definitely high-income-zoned kids not listed. |
There are increasingly more and more moments on DCUM where liberal white folks in DC sound more and more like Trump election denial crazy folks. You just wrote two paragraphs to try and convince us that the kids IB at Deal and JR aren't higher SES than kids at other schools. That's insane. |
I'm saying that the income of all families in the Deal boundary is a different question than the income of families who are currently parents of one or more Deal students. Because some of the people zoned for Deal go to private school, the people attending Deal might not be a representative sample-- they're probably the lower-income portion of the group. |
No, that's not it at all. I'm attempting to explain to you that we don't have a good read on the income of the actual student body of Deal compared to the actual student body of BASIS. Not comparing just the kids IB for Deal, comparing all the kids who attend Deal. |
Yes, but as someone who has a kid in a different city-wide lottery-in school, but can't afford the high real estate of DCPS who score above average on the PARCC, you have to account for the fact that those who lottery into BASIS are a self-selected group, more educated, more invested in their kids education, and THAT also counts for something. |
This. Heck, if I got into a desirable charter middle nad high school, I might even take the opportunity to lower my housing cost by moving somewhere cheaper with a less-good IB school. |