2022-2023 PARCC Data Released

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[b wrote:Anonymous]its kinda shocking how the white student data is pretty uniform across schools - there isn't that much of a gap between the best and worst. But if you look at minority performance, there is a huge gap.[/b]

Looking at english language, of the 37 DCPS schools with enough white students for data, all but 2 have >70% passing rates (exceptions are Mann and Bruce-Monroe).


Look at AA students, you have schools that range from 90% pass rates to under 5% pass rates. Ross has 81% of AA students pass, and Savoy ES has under 5%.

Sidenote, at walls - who are the 18 students who can't read/write. Are they just those who didn't answer any questions and just turned in a blank piece of paper? (I know people who did this when we had state standardized tests back in the day and just read a book in the hallway)


This is surprising to no one who is black or even friends with black people. I am shocked that someone who lives in DC needs it explained to them that performance correlates to SES and not race. It just so happens that in DC low-SES often times correlates to black. That does NOT mean that all black people are low-SES.

So, yes, black folks with money (who live IB for Ross and JKLM) have test scores that mirror white folks with money. Low-SES folks have lower test scores.


Which is why we need a better measure of SES to actually compare schools... yes, there is percent 'at risk' is a more extreme measure that doesn't get at the nuance that is helpful and that people are arguing about (i.e. schools appear similar, but perhaps x school is actually more middle class than y school which is more upper class).


We do have that info. We know demographic details about the IB catchments for Deal and other W3 schools and they are far wealthier than most other catchments. We also know where BASIS and Latin and other schools enroll from and we know those are not as affluent. Why are you pretending the data you want doesn't exist?


... where is that actual demographic data? Pull hard stats for the student population and post it here, not just your opinion. Deal and Basis have the same "at risk" level essentially.


Did you just ask me to prove that W3 and JKLM are higher income zips and catchments than other areas of DC? There are tons of ways that is known. How about property values IB for those schools as a proxy for SES?

Gotta hand it to you. In a world gone wrong with gaslighting everywhere I look you win a prize for pretending like we don't have actual data on wealth and wealth distribution in DC.


No, you don't actually have data on the SES of the specific school population for Basis vs. Deal, you have guesses and assumptions. How about take into account that the richest folks in bounds for Deal send their kids to private? Maybe it's more equal than you think. What about take into account people who live in apartments? You simply don't know. I'm not the one gas-lighting here.


[Speechless]. Enrollment data is published. We know IB populations.

Are you: (1) A troll (2) so insecure that you are unable to admit you are confused (3) no bright?


Honestly confused. So where is SES data by school if we have it? What specific kind of enrollment data are you touting as representing SES of the specific population? You don't need to insult me, FYI, I'm just being strict about ensuring that schools are compared fairly and I don't go by opinion or hypotheses, I prefer data. Honestly, as I don't know what data it is you're referring to that is specific to the actual school population (and not just race as we already discussed that this doesn't count, and not 'at risk' as we already posted those numbers which were comparable between the two schools), what actual data are you referring to? Just post it rather than insults.
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[b wrote:Anonymous]its kinda shocking how the white student data is pretty uniform across schools - there isn't that much of a gap between the best and worst. But if you look at minority performance, there is a huge gap.[/b]

Looking at english language, of the 37 DCPS schools with enough white students for data, all but 2 have >70% passing rates (exceptions are Mann and Bruce-Monroe).


Look at AA students, you have schools that range from 90% pass rates to under 5% pass rates. Ross has 81% of AA students pass, and Savoy ES has under 5%.

Sidenote, at walls - who are the 18 students who can't read/write. Are they just those who didn't answer any questions and just turned in a blank piece of paper? (I know people who did this when we had state standardized tests back in the day and just read a book in the hallway)


This is surprising to no one who is black or even friends with black people. I am shocked that someone who lives in DC needs it explained to them that performance correlates to SES and not race. It just so happens that in DC low-SES often times correlates to black. That does NOT mean that all black people are low-SES.

So, yes, black folks with money (who live IB for Ross and JKLM) have test scores that mirror white folks with money. Low-SES folks have lower test scores.


Which is why we need a better measure of SES to actually compare schools... yes, there is percent 'at risk' is a more extreme measure that doesn't get at the nuance that is helpful and that people are arguing about (i.e. schools appear similar, but perhaps x school is actually more middle class than y school which is more upper class).


We do have that info. We know demographic details about the IB catchments for Deal and other W3 schools and they are far wealthier than most other catchments. We also know where BASIS and Latin and other schools enroll from and we know those are not as affluent. Why are you pretending the data you want doesn't exist?


... where is that actual demographic data? Pull hard stats for the student population and post it here, not just your opinion. Deal and Basis have the same "at risk" level essentially.


Did you just ask me to prove that W3 and JKLM are higher income zips and catchments than other areas of DC? There are tons of ways that is known. How about property values IB for those schools as a proxy for SES?

Gotta hand it to you. In a world gone wrong with gaslighting everywhere I look you win a prize for pretending like we don't have actual data on wealth and wealth distribution in DC.


I think the ask was for whether Basis pulls in a significantly different demographic than Deal. And that is not clear. While Upper NW does have very wealthy families, many of them opt for privates. The families in Basis opted for it. So it might just be a wash as reflected in the percentages of White/black kids and at risk ones. The middle school ELA results are quite similar between the two.


THE DATA IT PUBLIC!!!!!!!! In W3 neighborhoods the income (as measured by real estate and other known data) is not skewed by one or 10 high priced homes.

I am done with you all. I am happy to engage in good faith discussions and uneven banter, but when people like you refuse to even acknowledge facts about demographics and wealth in DC there is no point.


Right, but the income of the families who actually currently have students at Deal. Not the income of all families, or the income of all families with children. And bearing in mind that some 25% of Deal students come from outside the boundary, I don't think it's as easy as you seem to think it is.
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And if you want to know where BASIS pulls from, https://dme.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dme/page_content/attachments/SY2122_Public%20School%20Enrollments%20per%20DCPS%20Boundary_0.xlsx

25 kids from Deal boundary
17 kids from Hardy boundary
11 kids from Maury boundary
15 kids from SWW@FS boundary
33 kids from J-R boundary

So let's not be saying that BASIS doesn't pull from high-income areas. And those are just the schools with 10 or more kids at BASIS.

It's true that BASIS pulls kids from EOTR, but so does Deal.
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[b wrote:Anonymous]its kinda shocking how the white student data is pretty uniform across schools - there isn't that much of a gap between the best and worst. But if you look at minority performance, there is a huge gap.[/b]

Looking at english language, of the 37 DCPS schools with enough white students for data, all but 2 have >70% passing rates (exceptions are Mann and Bruce-Monroe).


Look at AA students, you have schools that range from 90% pass rates to under 5% pass rates. Ross has 81% of AA students pass, and Savoy ES has under 5%.

Sidenote, at walls - who are the 18 students who can't read/write. Are they just those who didn't answer any questions and just turned in a blank piece of paper? (I know people who did this when we had state standardized tests back in the day and just read a book in the hallway)


This is surprising to no one who is black or even friends with black people. I am shocked that someone who lives in DC needs it explained to them that performance correlates to SES and not race. It just so happens that in DC low-SES often times correlates to black. That does NOT mean that all black people are low-SES.

So, yes, black folks with money (who live IB for Ross and JKLM) have test scores that mirror white folks with money. Low-SES folks have lower test scores.


Which is why we need a better measure of SES to actually compare schools... yes, there is percent 'at risk' is a more extreme measure that doesn't get at the nuance that is helpful and that people are arguing about (i.e. schools appear similar, but perhaps x school is actually more middle class than y school which is more upper class).


We do have that info. We know demographic details about the IB catchments for Deal and other W3 schools and they are far wealthier than most other catchments. We also know where BASIS and Latin and other schools enroll from and we know those are not as affluent. Why are you pretending the data you want doesn't exist?


... where is that actual demographic data? Pull hard stats for the student population and post it here, not just your opinion. Deal and Basis have the same "at risk" level essentially.


Did you just ask me to prove that W3 and JKLM are higher income zips and catchments than other areas of DC? There are tons of ways that is known. How about property values IB for those schools as a proxy for SES?

Gotta hand it to you. In a world gone wrong with gaslighting everywhere I look you win a prize for pretending like we don't have actual data on wealth and wealth distribution in DC.


I think the ask was for whether Basis pulls in a significantly different demographic than Deal. And that is not clear. While Upper NW does have very wealthy families, many of them opt for privates. The families in Basis opted for it. So it might just be a wash as reflected in the percentages of White/black kids and at risk ones. The middle school ELA results are quite similar between the two.


THE DATA IT PUBLIC!!!!!!!! In W3 neighborhoods the income (as measured by real estate and other known data) is not skewed by one or 10 high priced homes.

I am done with you all. I am happy to engage in good faith discussions and uneven banter, but when people like you refuse to even acknowledge facts about demographics and wealth in DC there is no point.


Right, but the income of the families who actually currently have students at Deal. Not the income of all families, or the income of all families with children. And bearing in mind that some 25% of Deal students come from outside the boundary, I don't think it's as easy as you seem to think it is.


+1. I have a kid at SWS, we are not a family who can afford to live in bounds for other Capitol Hill schools. But I'm not going to pretend that the SWS population is significantly more poor than other schools on Capitol Hill. In addition, it's also clear that parents who make an effort to lottery into a higher performing school than their local school and shuttle their kids there across town (if they aren't close), are already a self-selected sample of more highly educated folks invested in their kids' education. So I don't buy someone making the same argument for Basis.
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[b wrote:Anonymous]its kinda shocking how the white student data is pretty uniform across schools - there isn't that much of a gap between the best and worst. But if you look at minority performance, there is a huge gap.[/b]

Looking at english language, of the 37 DCPS schools with enough white students for data, all but 2 have >70% passing rates (exceptions are Mann and Bruce-Monroe).


Look at AA students, you have schools that range from 90% pass rates to under 5% pass rates. Ross has 81% of AA students pass, and Savoy ES has under 5%.

Sidenote, at walls - who are the 18 students who can't read/write. Are they just those who didn't answer any questions and just turned in a blank piece of paper? (I know people who did this when we had state standardized tests back in the day and just read a book in the hallway)


This is surprising to no one who is black or even friends with black people. I am shocked that someone who lives in DC needs it explained to them that performance correlates to SES and not race. It just so happens that in DC low-SES often times correlates to black. That does NOT mean that all black people are low-SES.

So, yes, black folks with money (who live IB for Ross and JKLM) have test scores that mirror white folks with money. Low-SES folks have lower test scores.


Which is why we need a better measure of SES to actually compare schools... yes, there is percent 'at risk' is a more extreme measure that doesn't get at the nuance that is helpful and that people are arguing about (i.e. schools appear similar, but perhaps x school is actually more middle class than y school which is more upper class).


We do have that info. We know demographic details about the IB catchments for Deal and other W3 schools and they are far wealthier than most other catchments. We also know where BASIS and Latin and other schools enroll from and we know those are not as affluent. Why are you pretending the data you want doesn't exist?


... where is that actual demographic data? Pull hard stats for the student population and post it here, not just your opinion. Deal and Basis have the same "at risk" level essentially.


Did you just ask me to prove that W3 and JKLM are higher income zips and catchments than other areas of DC? There are tons of ways that is known. How about property values IB for those schools as a proxy for SES?

Gotta hand it to you. In a world gone wrong with gaslighting everywhere I look you win a prize for pretending like we don't have actual data on wealth and wealth distribution in DC.


No, you don't actually have data on the SES of the specific school population for Basis vs. Deal, you have guesses and assumptions. How about take into account that the richest folks in bounds for Deal send their kids to private? Maybe it's more equal than you think. What about take into account people who live in apartments? You simply don't know. I'm not the one gas-lighting here.


[Speechless]. Enrollment data is published. We know IB populations.

Are you: (1) A troll (2) so insecure that you are unable to admit you are confused (3) no bright?


Honestly confused. So where is SES data by school if we have it? What specific kind of enrollment data are you touting as representing SES of the specific population? You don't need to insult me, FYI, I'm just being strict about ensuring that schools are compared fairly and I don't go by opinion or hypotheses, I prefer data. Honestly, as I don't know what data it is you're referring to that is specific to the actual school population (and not just race as we already discussed that this doesn't count, and not 'at risk' as we already posted those numbers which were comparable between the two schools), what actual data are you referring to? Just post it rather than insults.


Not the PP. Agree with you that better information on SES by school is needed. At-risk is really limited. At-risk included qualifying for TANF, SNAP (food stamps), homeless, overage in high school. To qualify for TANF for a household or two, the household income can be no more than approximately $600 per month.
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I suppose you could look at the income by census tract data on the census website and try to match that up with school boundaries. There's a metric "PERCENTAGE OF FAMILIES AND PEOPLE WHOSE INCOME IN THE PAST 12 MONTHS IS BELOW THE POVERTY LEVEL: All families: With related children of the householder under 18 years: With related children of the householder under 5 years only" But that seems like a real headache to accomplish.
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Anonymous wrote:And if you want to know where BASIS pulls from, https://dme.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dme/page_content/attachments/SY2122_Public%20School%20Enrollments%20per%20DCPS%20Boundary_0.xlsx

25 kids from Deal boundary
17 kids from Hardy boundary
11 kids from Maury boundary
15 kids from SWW@FS boundary
33 kids from J-R boundary

So let's not be saying that BASIS doesn't pull from high-income areas. And those are just the schools with 10 or more kids at BASIS.

It's true that BASIS pulls kids from EOTR, but so does Deal.


Did you think no one was familiar with the data and would notice you ae playing games and cherry picking?

There are almost as many kids IB from Eastern as the entire group you cherry picked. 20% of the HS kids are from JR. 15% of the MS (excluding 5th grade, obv) is from Deal and Hardy. Your cherry picked group is less than 100 out of 650 enrolled.

Here's what you didn't paste:

Anacostia High School 12
Dunbar High School 31
Eastern High School 80
Roosevelt High School 14
Brookland Middle School 10
Eliot-Hine Middle School 36
Hardy Middle School 17
Hart Middle School 11
Ida B. Wells Middle School 14
Jefferson Middle School Academy 47
Kelly Miller Middle School 11
MacFarland Middle School 28
McKinley Middle School 10
Sousa Middle School 11
Stuart-Hobson Middle School 54
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https://dme.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dme/page_content/attachments/SY2122_Public%20School%20Enrollments%20per%20DCPS%20Boundary_0.xlsx

Look at this DME data. It says there are 1471 students living in the Deal boundary who are of age to attend Deal. But only 1090 of them attend Deal. So you'd have to consider whether the 2561 kids who don't go to Deal are higher- or lower-income than the average for that group. Remembering that a lot of them probably go to private school, they may well be richer. On the other hand some go to CHEC, MacFarland, and EL Haynes which are not notorious rich-kid schools. So I dunno.

Then you'd have to estimate the income of Deal's OOB population, which is 22% of the school so you can't just wave it away without analysis. It's hard to know their income-- there are some from very low-income areas, but many from Brookland and other mixed-income areas such as Bloomingdale and CHEC's zone. So I think it's a hard question and we just don't know.
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[b wrote:Anonymous]its kinda shocking how the white student data is pretty uniform across schools - there isn't that much of a gap between the best and worst. But if you look at minority performance, there is a huge gap.[/b]

Looking at english language, of the 37 DCPS schools with enough white students for data, all but 2 have >70% passing rates (exceptions are Mann and Bruce-Monroe).


Look at AA students, you have schools that range from 90% pass rates to under 5% pass rates. Ross has 81% of AA students pass, and Savoy ES has under 5%.

Sidenote, at walls - who are the 18 students who can't read/write. Are they just those who didn't answer any questions and just turned in a blank piece of paper? (I know people who did this when we had state standardized tests back in the day and just read a book in the hallway)


This is surprising to no one who is black or even friends with black people. I am shocked that someone who lives in DC needs it explained to them that performance correlates to SES and not race. It just so happens that in DC low-SES often times correlates to black. That does NOT mean that all black people are low-SES.

So, yes, black folks with money (who live IB for Ross and JKLM) have test scores that mirror white folks with money. Low-SES folks have lower test scores.


Which is why we need a better measure of SES to actually compare schools... yes, there is percent 'at risk' is a more extreme measure that doesn't get at the nuance that is helpful and that people are arguing about (i.e. schools appear similar, but perhaps x school is actually more middle class than y school which is more upper class).


We do have that info. We know demographic details about the IB catchments for Deal and other W3 schools and they are far wealthier than most other catchments. We also know where BASIS and Latin and other schools enroll from and we know those are not as affluent. Why are you pretending the data you want doesn't exist?


... where is that actual demographic data? Pull hard stats for the student population and post it here, not just your opinion. Deal and Basis have the same "at risk" level essentially.


Did you just ask me to prove that W3 and JKLM are higher income zips and catchments than other areas of DC? There are tons of ways that is known. How about property values IB for those schools as a proxy for SES?

Gotta hand it to you. In a world gone wrong with gaslighting everywhere I look you win a prize for pretending like we don't have actual data on wealth and wealth distribution in DC.


I think the ask was for whether Basis pulls in a significantly different demographic than Deal. And that is not clear. While Upper NW does have very wealthy families, many of them opt for privates. The families in Basis opted for it. So it might just be a wash as reflected in the percentages of White/black kids and at risk ones. The middle school ELA results are quite similar between the two.


THE DATA IT PUBLIC!!!!!!!! In W3 neighborhoods the income (as measured by real estate and other known data) is not skewed by one or 10 high priced homes.

I am done with you all. I am happy to engage in good faith discussions and uneven banter, but when people like you refuse to even acknowledge facts about demographics and wealth in DC there is no point.


Right, but the income of the families who actually currently have students at Deal. Not the income of all families, or the income of all families with children. And bearing in mind that some 25% of Deal students come from outside the boundary, I don't think it's as easy as you seem to think it is.


25% of Deal comes from outside that catchment. 10% of BASIS comes from inside Deal and JR. You want I should explain how these are not the same?
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Anonymous wrote:And if you want to know where BASIS pulls from, https://dme.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dme/page_content/attachments/SY2122_Public%20School%20Enrollments%20per%20DCPS%20Boundary_0.xlsx

25 kids from Deal boundary
17 kids from Hardy boundary
11 kids from Maury boundary
15 kids from SWW@FS boundary
33 kids from J-R boundary

So let's not be saying that BASIS doesn't pull from high-income areas. And those are just the schools with 10 or more kids at BASIS.

It's true that BASIS pulls kids from EOTR, but so does Deal.


Did you think no one was familiar with the data and would notice you ae playing games and cherry picking?

There are almost as many kids IB from Eastern as the entire group you cherry picked. 20% of the HS kids are from JR. 15% of the MS (excluding 5th grade, obv) is from Deal and Hardy. Your cherry picked group is less than 100 out of 650 enrolled.

Here's what you didn't paste:

Anacostia High School 12
Dunbar High School 31
Eastern High School 80
Roosevelt High School 14
Brookland Middle School 10
Eliot-Hine Middle School 36
Hardy Middle School 17
Hart Middle School 11
Ida B. Wells Middle School 14
Jefferson Middle School Academy 47
Kelly Miller Middle School 11
MacFarland Middle School 28
McKinley Middle School 10
Sousa Middle School 11
Stuart-Hobson Middle School 54


Right, but lots of people IB for Eastern have plenty of money! Same for Dunbar, Cardozo, and all of them. It's bizarre that you think living IB for a low-performing high school means a family isn't high-income. Getting a spot at BASIS is what enables them to continue living IB for those schools! Do you know how much a small, not-that-nice row house in Bloomingdale costs these days FFS?

There's a lot I didn't paste. Think how many kids from Deal and Hardy feeders are in 5th grade at BASIS. It's not enough to trigger reporting, because that's only if there's more than 10 from any one school. But there are definitely high-income-zoned kids not listed.
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Anonymous wrote:https://dme.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dme/page_content/attachments/SY2122_Public%20School%20Enrollments%20per%20DCPS%20Boundary_0.xlsx

Look at this DME data. It says there are 1471 students living in the Deal boundary who are of age to attend Deal. But only 1090 of them attend Deal. So you'd have to consider whether the 2561 kids who don't go to Deal are higher- or lower-income than the average for that group. Remembering that a lot of them probably go to private school, they may well be richer. On the other hand some go to CHEC, MacFarland, and EL Haynes which are not notorious rich-kid schools. So I dunno.

Then you'd have to estimate the income of Deal's OOB population, which is 22% of the school so you can't just wave it away without analysis. It's hard to know their income-- there are some from very low-income areas, but many from Brookland and other mixed-income areas such as Bloomingdale and CHEC's zone. So I think it's a hard question and we just don't know.


There are increasingly more and more moments on DCUM where liberal white folks in DC sound more and more like Trump election denial crazy folks. You just wrote two paragraphs to try and convince us that the kids IB at Deal and JR aren't higher SES than kids at other schools. That's insane.
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[b wrote:Anonymous]its kinda shocking how the white student data is pretty uniform across schools - there isn't that much of a gap between the best and worst. But if you look at minority performance, there is a huge gap.[/b]

Looking at english language, of the 37 DCPS schools with enough white students for data, all but 2 have >70% passing rates (exceptions are Mann and Bruce-Monroe).


Look at AA students, you have schools that range from 90% pass rates to under 5% pass rates. Ross has 81% of AA students pass, and Savoy ES has under 5%.

Sidenote, at walls - who are the 18 students who can't read/write. Are they just those who didn't answer any questions and just turned in a blank piece of paper? (I know people who did this when we had state standardized tests back in the day and just read a book in the hallway)


This is surprising to no one who is black or even friends with black people. I am shocked that someone who lives in DC needs it explained to them that performance correlates to SES and not race. It just so happens that in DC low-SES often times correlates to black. That does NOT mean that all black people are low-SES.

So, yes, black folks with money (who live IB for Ross and JKLM) have test scores that mirror white folks with money. Low-SES folks have lower test scores.


Which is why we need a better measure of SES to actually compare schools... yes, there is percent 'at risk' is a more extreme measure that doesn't get at the nuance that is helpful and that people are arguing about (i.e. schools appear similar, but perhaps x school is actually more middle class than y school which is more upper class).


We do have that info. We know demographic details about the IB catchments for Deal and other W3 schools and they are far wealthier than most other catchments. We also know where BASIS and Latin and other schools enroll from and we know those are not as affluent. Why are you pretending the data you want doesn't exist?


... where is that actual demographic data? Pull hard stats for the student population and post it here, not just your opinion. Deal and Basis have the same "at risk" level essentially.


Did you just ask me to prove that W3 and JKLM are higher income zips and catchments than other areas of DC? There are tons of ways that is known. How about property values IB for those schools as a proxy for SES?

Gotta hand it to you. In a world gone wrong with gaslighting everywhere I look you win a prize for pretending like we don't have actual data on wealth and wealth distribution in DC.


I think the ask was for whether Basis pulls in a significantly different demographic than Deal. And that is not clear. While Upper NW does have very wealthy families, many of them opt for privates. The families in Basis opted for it. So it might just be a wash as reflected in the percentages of White/black kids and at risk ones. The middle school ELA results are quite similar between the two.


THE DATA IT PUBLIC!!!!!!!! In W3 neighborhoods the income (as measured by real estate and other known data) is not skewed by one or 10 high priced homes.

I am done with you all. I am happy to engage in good faith discussions and uneven banter, but when people like you refuse to even acknowledge facts about demographics and wealth in DC there is no point.


Right, but the income of the families who actually currently have students at Deal. Not the income of all families, or the income of all families with children. And bearing in mind that some 25% of Deal students come from outside the boundary, I don't think it's as easy as you seem to think it is.


25% of Deal comes from outside that catchment. 10% of BASIS comes from inside Deal and JR. You want I should explain how these are not the same?


I'm saying that the income of all families in the Deal boundary is a different question than the income of families who are currently parents of one or more Deal students. Because some of the people zoned for Deal go to private school, the people attending Deal might not be a representative sample-- they're probably the lower-income portion of the group.
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Anonymous wrote:https://dme.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dme/page_content/attachments/SY2122_Public%20School%20Enrollments%20per%20DCPS%20Boundary_0.xlsx

Look at this DME data. It says there are 1471 students living in the Deal boundary who are of age to attend Deal. But only 1090 of them attend Deal. So you'd have to consider whether the 2561 kids who don't go to Deal are higher- or lower-income than the average for that group. Remembering that a lot of them probably go to private school, they may well be richer. On the other hand some go to CHEC, MacFarland, and EL Haynes which are not notorious rich-kid schools. So I dunno.

Then you'd have to estimate the income of Deal's OOB population, which is 22% of the school so you can't just wave it away without analysis. It's hard to know their income-- there are some from very low-income areas, but many from Brookland and other mixed-income areas such as Bloomingdale and CHEC's zone. So I think it's a hard question and we just don't know.


There are increasingly more and more moments on DCUM where liberal white folks in DC sound more and more like Trump election denial crazy folks. You just wrote two paragraphs to try and convince us that the kids IB at Deal and JR aren't higher SES than kids at other schools. That's insane.


No, that's not it at all. I'm attempting to explain to you that we don't have a good read on the income of the actual student body of Deal compared to the actual student body of BASIS. Not comparing just the kids IB for Deal, comparing all the kids who attend Deal.
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Anonymous wrote:And if you want to know where BASIS pulls from, https://dme.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dme/page_content/attachments/SY2122_Public%20School%20Enrollments%20per%20DCPS%20Boundary_0.xlsx

25 kids from Deal boundary
17 kids from Hardy boundary
11 kids from Maury boundary
15 kids from SWW@FS boundary
33 kids from J-R boundary

So let's not be saying that BASIS doesn't pull from high-income areas. And those are just the schools with 10 or more kids at BASIS.

It's true that BASIS pulls kids from EOTR, but so does Deal.


Did you think no one was familiar with the data and would notice you ae playing games and cherry picking?

There are almost as many kids IB from Eastern as the entire group you cherry picked. 20% of the HS kids are from JR. 15% of the MS (excluding 5th grade, obv) is from Deal and Hardy. Your cherry picked group is less than 100 out of 650 enrolled.

Here's what you didn't paste:

Anacostia High School 12
Dunbar High School 31
Eastern High School 80
Roosevelt High School 14
Brookland Middle School 10
Eliot-Hine Middle School 36
Hardy Middle School 17
Hart Middle School 11
Ida B. Wells Middle School 14
Jefferson Middle School Academy 47
Kelly Miller Middle School 11
MacFarland Middle School 28
McKinley Middle School 10
Sousa Middle School 11
Stuart-Hobson Middle School 54


Yes, but as someone who has a kid in a different city-wide lottery-in school, but can't afford the high real estate of DCPS who score above average on the PARCC, you have to account for the fact that those who lottery into BASIS are a self-selected group, more educated, more invested in their kids education, and THAT also counts for something.
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Anonymous wrote:And if you want to know where BASIS pulls from, https://dme.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dme/page_content/attachments/SY2122_Public%20School%20Enrollments%20per%20DCPS%20Boundary_0.xlsx

25 kids from Deal boundary
17 kids from Hardy boundary
11 kids from Maury boundary
15 kids from SWW@FS boundary
33 kids from J-R boundary

So let's not be saying that BASIS doesn't pull from high-income areas. And those are just the schools with 10 or more kids at BASIS.

It's true that BASIS pulls kids from EOTR, but so does Deal.


Did you think no one was familiar with the data and would notice you ae playing games and cherry picking?

There are almost as many kids IB from Eastern as the entire group you cherry picked. 20% of the HS kids are from JR. 15% of the MS (excluding 5th grade, obv) is from Deal and Hardy. Your cherry picked group is less than 100 out of 650 enrolled.

Here's what you didn't paste:

Anacostia High School 12
Dunbar High School 31
Eastern High School 80
Roosevelt High School 14
Brookland Middle School 10
Eliot-Hine Middle School 36
Hardy Middle School 17
Hart Middle School 11
Ida B. Wells Middle School 14
Jefferson Middle School Academy 47
Kelly Miller Middle School 11
MacFarland Middle School 28
McKinley Middle School 10
Sousa Middle School 11
Stuart-Hobson Middle School 54


Yes, but as someone who has a kid in a different city-wide lottery-in school, but can't afford the high real estate of DCPS who score above average on the PARCC, you have to account for the fact that those who lottery into BASIS are a self-selected group, more educated, more invested in their kids education, and THAT also counts for something.


This. Heck, if I got into a desirable charter middle nad high school, I might even take the opportunity to lower my housing cost by moving somewhere cheaper with a less-good IB school.
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